Amazon's A9.com Search Engine Goes Live
scapermoya writes "Today was the official launch day of Amazon's A9.com search engine, which has been in public beta for some time now. It uses results from Google, and adds some personalized features, like bookmarks and search history. Its Java-heavy inteface reminds me of Gmail, which is nice. It doesn't seem like it was designed to supplant Google, but rather to flesh out some things that a certain demographic of people might like."
The A9 toolbar only works in Microsoft Internet Explorer.
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not the same thing, not even nearly.
Wow. Do some of the links look horrible on it for anyone else using Firefox 1.0PR? The font is so small that pieces of the letters are actually missing.
I see two problems with this. First, let's face it, since they are searching text of Amazon books, it's an ad site. Sure, it's useful, but it's an ad site. Second, I tested it by typing "Helena" (my home town, the state seat of Montana) and there isn't a single picture of Helena, Montana among the first page but rather pages of women in swimsuits. I don't think adding images without asking for them adds much to searching, that's why I like Google as I can pick the content.
...A9 is pretty bloated. It looks nice, but its a little too much for me compared to the slick and minimal style that Google has. A search for 'America' yields a 52.64 KB result page in A9, while that same search yields a 4.36KB page in Google. Size isn't necessarily a problem for me, but I think A9 is trying to pack too much stuff into what should be a simple process. If I want to find movies, I'll go to IMDB, if I want to find books I'll go to Amazon. A9 complicates it rather than simplifying things.
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Its Java-heavy interface
You mean Javascript-heavy interface?
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It's rather disgusting how people confuse Java and Javascript. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING! You're techies, you should know this stuff!
You mean I get to tie ALL of my web searches to a verified identity of myself (Amazon account) complete with credit card and mailing address??? OH BOY!!!!
...its google repackaged with some amazon ads thrown in and plenty of bloat. gee, where do i sign up?
Come on people, it's 2004 and it's time to learn the difference between Java and JavaScript.
The interface works just fine in Firefox for me.
Had a blurb on this....Apparently it brings porn to your searches.....
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For example, if you search "Frontpage SEO", pr0n shows up in the image toolbar....I've seen it, but haven't played around with it much.....
Link to the story
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with that statement. I don't entirely agree with using "heavy" JavaScript/etc for simple webpage based applications like search engines, which should be as lightweight and minimalistic as much as possible, allowing me to access results without having to rely on helper applications or specific interfaces
I should be able to use lynx or other interfaces (Google API) to access results without undue overhead, if I so desire.
It's sad lynx comes up with the following when pointed to http://www.a9.com:
Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host.
lynx: Can't access startfile http://www.a9.com/
An Indian-American Hindu committed to non-violent thought/speech/action alarmed by the global explosion of radical Islam
Didn't we already read about this a couple of days ago?
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Amazon has one of the best affiliate programs in existance. Anyone with a website can easily sign up with Amazon to make some money off selling items. I wonder if A9 will automagically find sites that have amazon links and rank them higher? It seems like they could help mazimize their revenue that way.
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Just typed in linux and saw that you also get to see pictures and what did my unbelieving eyes find?
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http://www.wejher.pl/mpx/pic/apple-mac10a-linux
Great, just great!
Now I don't dare to search for IANAL...
A9 seems a very good tool in searching some decent naked pictures. If by any chance it finds two similar pictures in a row then you can be sure there is whole series you're dealing with.
Unfortunately I've also found it to a perfect tool for all sickos. When I enter "nude girls" or similar term, plenty of the pictures showed girls that weren't even in their teens.
Of course I had all the content filters turned off, but I had no intention in watching such pictures and still I had to.
I use google as my home page for a few reasons, but the main one is size; I hate waiting for my browser, and I'm notinto about:blank.
Google's 1.9kb. A9 is 20kb. Doesn't sound like much, but Google just loads faster because of it.
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Does this not enrage Google? I mean, I know there have been meta search engines around for ages, but none that was so clearly bent on replacing Google itself.
How is A9 getting the Google results? Screen scraping, or using some kind of API? I don't see what Google could possibly get out of this, since there are no Google ads on A9 to compensate them. A9 even links directly to Google's cache pages! This seems absurd to me.
Am I missing something?
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They just combine a few searches, like image searches and web searches. The movie search function just searches IMDB, which I can do perfectly well without a9 by just going to imdb.com. I don't need a search history either, my google toolbar takes care of that. (or the saved form info on any other browser). In my eyes, this is just an attempt to increase amazon sales, by getting some free advertising from the launch of this search service and hopefully (for them) getting some people who will actually keep using A9 though is not that great.
just teh script library is 63k so that page of yours is actually over 100k, couple that with undoubtable datamining going on (looking at their privacy policy and the "save history" function) and this looks like another MSN search engine but dare i say it, worse.
this engine has minor benefit to the user but every benefit to Amazon, it even has the cheek to remind me to put cookies on forcing me to click an "ok" to continue
thanks i will stick to less greedy companies who tend to treat people as people, not as products
A search for "amazon" gives me the ad:
How to Cheat Amazon
and a search for "used books" doesn't even show amazon on the first page of results.
so either:
1) they're being fair and not taking advantage of their position (yet)
2) they're not business savvy enough
is it a handy dandy friend?
or, big brother watching you?
now where did i leave my tinfoil hat...
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How could Today be "WAS"?
Isnt that supposed to be " IS" !!!!
Why does yahoo do this
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looks fine in windows, in lunix its look awful i think this is because of linuxes terrible default font handling, i have spent hours in firefox messing with minimum font sizes to correct it (which i should never have to do)
but pages still look like shit with or without the MS fonts, slashdot looks ok in nix but in win its "times new roman" which it should be
linux/firefox really needs to have consistant font handling cross platform, until then we will have to suffer
this a9 page really does look better in Win32
scapermoya writes>.... It uses results from Google... It doesn't seem like it was designed to supplant Google
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Like...doh! It is based on Google (like many other SEs) so can't supplant the thing that feeds it.
Is it too much for the editors to do some simple sanity checks on
I've been won over :P
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This confusion is intentional. NetScape's client-side scripting language was originally going to be called LiveScript. A fine name. However, just before shipping it, they decided that they wanted to tie in with Sun's new marketing juggernaut even though, aside from some superficial syntax similarities, the two languages have nothing in common. Hence Java/JavaScript. Pure unadulterated idiocy!! Don't blame clueless users for this one -- this confusion is exactly what NetScape had in mind when they chose the name.
But the page IS made on Java Server Pages/Servlets. So the reference to Java is correct. That it also uses Javascript is very normal... (Still, Sun and Netscape made the first implementation of Javascript together (First Netscape named it LiveScript). Javascript would 'supplement' Java applets. Javascript looks even a little similar to Java itself. Netscape even had a project to write Java dynamically in the form of Javascript: LiveConnect)
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Seems to me this type of meta search engines are aiming at having the users to provide the company association properties of information. For example, if this book about Clark Gable is related to the movie or not.
To me this A9 seems like an extended version of Amazon's 'you might also be interested in these items'. Now they can more accurately figure out that if you like Clark Gable's biography, you are also interested in buying one or two of his particular movies.
Its Java-heavy inteface reminds me of Gmail
Neither Gmail nor A9 have java-heavy interfaces, infact neither use java at all in their interfaces. Anyone who doesn't know the difference between java and javascript has no business submitting stories to slashdot.
If you don't want Amazon tracking your searches, use http://generic.a9.com/, which doesn't look like it even sets any cookies.
Why can't I moderate something "Wrong" or at least "Grossly Misinformed"?
Scary how they can track you across multiple locations.
Give a hand, not a hand-out.
Amazon, or any other one entity, must not own the semantic web:
Applying Distributed XML to The Open Source Paradigm Shift,
DataLibre (was: Resist A9),
& The Future of the Semantic Web is Here Today and is Evenly Distributed
That is a fantastic feature. Good to know.
That's the whole point of A9.com. It's for them to offer you stored searches on the server side and be able to "help" you by tracking everything you do.
Before you dismiss it as bad, which it may well be, at least consider it. Because what made Amazon so great was that by simply using the site, it got to 'know' you, suggest items etc. I love that feature. I think it's awesome that the site frequently suggests things I own or want to own.
Perhaps enough searching on Debian troubleshooting and it will suggest a book on Debian or something. I can see how the two might offer a nice service when associated.
Something I discovered is when you click on the "Site Info" button, one of the statistics it gives out is a site's speed. I found this pretty interesting. Amazon.com is listed as "Slow". Microsoft.com is "Very Slow". A9.com is merely "Average", but Google.com is "Fast". Gentoo.org is "Very Fast", so go figure.
The slowest site I could find so far is Tripod.com, in the 4th percentile. The fastest site so far is goat.cx (don't ask) in the 97th percentile.
I'd been reading about this for a while, then last night (Sat, Sept. 18) I did a simple book search on Amazon. It brought up the A9 interface you've all seen by now.
Well, whoop-di-do! If I wasn't "in the know" I probably would have taken my business elsewhere. Strikingly different interface, startlingly different results, and a whole bunch of useless patooey around what I was really looking for.
Amazon, keep your hot side hot and your cool side cool. Don't spit foo at your customers!
Yeah, I like it, but I think the average consumer will be nonplussed-- for now...
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i thought the internet was supposed to cut out middlemen
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That seems anonymous enough.
Always nice to have an alternative in the event you can't get to Google for whatever reason. Bit of redundancy and competition never hurt anyone.
"Its Java-heavy inteface reminds me of Gmail"
There is no Java in A9.com's interface, and thank god for that. There is only the misnamed "javascript", which is not strongly typed and is really nothing like Java.
java and javascript are two different things ro animals..
You would think by now that slashdot contributors would wise up or at least the slashdot overseers would pick up on this obiovus big gaffle..
Should we test slashdot contributors for reading comprehension?
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I'm definitely not going to let my kids use this search engine. What if they got a project on interracial relationships and type in Interracial... Plenty of stuff they shouldn't have to see.
Just remember how worked up people got about the gmail ad bots calculating relevant ads by "reading" your mail, amazon on the other hands stores your search results on their server, allowing them to analyse as much data as they want from this. i don't know about the rest of you, but i know i trust google over amazon...
Google search licensee has web site. News at 11.
Oh my god, they put a couple of other things on the results page. Somebody call the President!
I have a little Google search box on my web site. Does that mean that I get a Slashdot article announcing the launch of my kewl search technology too?
"Search results enhanced by Google. Results also provided by A9.com and Alexa."
Google is mentioned first. I wonder how much of the technology relies on Google?
Bah, forget using A9 for searching your bookmarks. If you want a good full-text search for your bookmarks, just use a service that specializes in that, like Simpy. You can try a live demo using a demo account here.
Simpy
It's an interesting concept, but I honestly question some of the image results. For example, Test returns:
$ A punching bag dummy
$ A Hindu woman dancing
$ A Home Pregnancy Test
$ This
Weird.
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Do you mean "JavaScript heavy?" ..I guess not. A9 works perfectly with JavaScript turned off, unlike Gmail which requires it. There certainly isn't any Java on the A9 site, unless they're using JSP pages or something.
Don't like the personalization features? Then use the generic search page.
Lastly, amazon's offering a discount to all a9 users
...is because the DNS is down. So much for no single point of failure.
If not, then you should. It helps alot to use a "modern" linux font system that supports TTF, substitution and hinting and whatnot.
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This is perhaps one of those things that I shouldn't articulate, but am I the only person who thinks that the Amazon logo (and the logo they put under their subsidiary company names/logos) looks like the underside of an erect human penis?
I know this is filthy and obscene to all right-thinking people, but the phallic symbolism is too obvious for me not to notice. And the fact hat Amazon is a global brand makes this observation even more ludicrous.
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A and 9 characters to the right would spell altavista correct?
What for they name it after Scotland's longest and most dangerous major road, the A9, which stretches from Perth to Scrabster?
If you are really interested in privacy, read the Privacy Policy. The first thing I did was print it out, and lo and behold, if you don't want to be recognised, you can use their alternate service at http://generic.amazon.com. On generic.A9.com, they won't recognise your A9.com or Amazon.com cookie, and the information they gather will not be used in their data analysis.
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I search for "jamie rishaw" (with quotes)
"Showing 1-9 of about 40".
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next Logic tells me if it fits about 10 on a page and there are 40 results, there should be 5 or so pages (not 10). So I click on "10". (You know you would, too, dont lie).
"Showing 91-99 of 140"
140??
Previous 1 ... 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Next
"?"
Let's go for gold. I click on "14". Why? I wanna find the oldest stuff.
"There are no more web results for this query."
Okay, 13.
"There are no more web results for this query."
12?
"There are no more web results for this query."
11?
"There are no more web results for this query."
To A9's credit, the clickable web/books/images/movies/reference/history/bookmark s bar is slick.. (but diary? i'm not a girl.. okay, someone, first a9 hack: change "Diary" to "Notes") =)
Has anyone else notices that Google images has been slow over the last 72hours? Is this linked?
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This info. is quite interesting indeed.
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Some database corruption??? This morning I noticed that there were some searches that are definitely NOT mine in my A9 history, I live alone and nobody else has access to either of my computers...The two searches that aren't mine are interspersed (her.com and St. Bernard Open). Anyone else having a problem like this? * her.com (2) * rsync "open files" nfs overwrite * rsync "open files" nfs * "St. Bernard Open " * rsync "open files" * rsync man * rsyn man * saltwater gasket * boat surveyor association