1. Not relevant. It is _not_ complicated. There will be libraries (that do not use eval()) that handle all of that "complicated" (http?) stuff.
2. Five seconds if you have an account.
3. Doesn't give you a single id.
4. Email? DNS?
5. ?
6. Conceded. This isn't targeted at banking applications though, still, it's something to watch for.
7. OK.
8. Once again, it's not foolproof, but it fills a niche.
9. CMS designers are often morons. Get a real job.
No, I'm pretty sure the parent is correct. The oo people obviously are horrible UI programmers (being open source programmers and all) and this is really a genuine effort at an updated splash logo. In fact I'd go as far as to say that's probably what we'll being seeing in Feb or Mar. when it goes 2.0.
I commend the parent for catching this fault and letting the world know that all of those millions of lines of code are cheapened by a stupid mspaint splash logo in preview release. The open source world needs more UI experts like him to show us our faults and where we need to focus our attentions to "make it" in the real world.
Everything the founders did from the bill of rights to the electoral college, to the appointing of senators by state legislatures was all done to make sure states stayed strong and the federal government stayed relatively weak.
There are a couple notable events and people that have ultimately been affected by Ralph Nader.
Still, I believe Nader is fighting a good fight, using his position of influence as leverage in invigorating the weekend democrat. If Bush is re-elected, you can be sure there will be some waking up in this country before it's all over. Nader isn't running to beat Bush or Kerry, he is running to change a system that elects only Bushs and Kerrys.
I definately don't expect most people to agree, though
First, I admire Daring Fireball in all of it's pedantic glory. Maybe he is just trolling for April 1st.
OSS software is not always easy to use - there are plenty of OSS developers and users who understand this constant plight. This article doesn't seem to recognize that. Gruber always paints with a broad brush and it is hard not to be offended by what he is saying and implying in this article.
Good user interfaces result from long, hard work, by talented developers and designers.
Check this Gruber - Gnome, KDE, Easy Software (CUPS), Freedesktop, Mozilla, Ximian, Trolltech, Activestate, IBM, Sun, Redhat, SuSE, Novell, Mandrake, Debian, Open Office, Apple, and on and on, ALL have talented developers and designers on board. Some are paid, many are not. All of them write, package, repackage, extend, design, evolve, sell services around or just use OSS software. Even if the print setup on Alan Cox computer was too difficult for anyone, it was written by a talented developer and probably looked over by a talented designer somewhere later. It just didn't work this time around. So we move on. We re-examine it. I promise you we didn't need Alan Cox to tell us it needs improvement. Alan Cox is not OSS. Alan Cox problems do not reflect everyone's problems. Certainly not my co-worker who's CUPS install does autodiscover. It even connected to my amazing Apple Powerbook's shared printers running off... CUPS.
There are plenty of failures in OSS usablity. They are being fixed fast (release). The fast (release) is complimented by the fast (performance) of Linux. I use OS X everyday, don't tell me it is more responsive than Linux and it's OSS on equal hardware. You don't have enough proof to refute mine, I don't have enough proof to disprove yours. OSS is also more than just cheap software, it's cheap software that runs on cheap hardware (more on this below). And it will be good. I think it's good right now. Novell and IBM thinks it's so good right now they are rolling it out, company wide.
Talented programmers who work long full-time hours crafting software need to be paid. That means selling software. Remember the old open source magic formula - that one could make money giving away software by selling services and support? That hasn't happened - in terms of producing well-designed end user software - and it's no wonder why....
For example, look at how much Mac OS X has improved in the last three years alone. Even if desktop Linux is improving - and I do think it is - it's improving at a much slower pace than Mac OS X....
Mac OS X printing implementation was built on much of the same software as Alan Cox Fedora install. This is the panacea of the OSS business model - quality free (libre) disparate software, glued together by intelligent programmers. Further I don't understand Gruber's point of view - Apple is making money off OSS and the developers are getting paid. The support and services might be in the form of support software which may not be what the kind of support he was thinking of... but it's still services and support.
This isn't to say desktop Linux isn't growing in use. It is, and will continue to. But it's growing at the bottom end of the market - cheap $400 computers from Wal-Mart. That's a market where software usability is not a key feature.
I'm sorry but Gruber is wrong. It is a key feature in that market - according to Linux developers. Maybe not Apple developers and maybe not Microsoft developers. However, to many, many, many OSS developers, usability importance doesn't scale with price. That's a disgusting, exclusive statement by Gruber.
Oh, I am not new at all. I have seen all of the labs and the Linux ones suck. The problem I have with UTD is their Sun-heavy UNIX policies, the fact that they hiked up my tuition by %25, my comp-sci teacher was a long winded bitch with a slew of sycophants for TA's and UTD has dicks for student worker techs (my apologies if you are one).
The wireless network is cool, yes. I have seen plenty of new Dells, so the newer systems in the labs do not really do anything for me. I went to check the Mac labs and some fucktard said the macs were broke, then a nicer student worker said they were not authenticating properly (or some such) and the fucktard said (in a most condenscending voice) "NO, they are inherently broke, they are macs". Well I am not mac zealot, but fuck him for treating me like an idiot.
Hrm what else? The web-based mail sucks fucking donkey balls. Campus Pipeline is a bullshit system. I should never be barraged with fucking banner ads when I try to check my school email, so I do it by pine, but would rather have mutt. The online job center uses erecruiting.com which is some fucking way to do things when you are surrounded with a couple of thousand CS students who need real world examples for future employers, probably willing to work for free on a project like, oh, web-based departmental applications...
The campus newspaper sucks, they need a system like cofax to publish the newspaper online. The UTD website looks like ass, and they need someone with half a brain to design a decent logo for the school. I guess thats really subjective, though. The LRO idea is cool, but man alive does WebCT suck.
I am sure you were being nice, and I really appreciate the reply (and sorry to go on a longwinded cussing rant), but I have an endless number of issues with UTD. However, since you are/.'er, I was wondering, you know anything about the state of the UTD LUG? I have sent a hundred emails to them and havent got anything back...
Forgive me if this is available on the site, I might not have seen it, but is the software for creating this site available? Are there web based tools for creating the individual course pages and maintaining them? Are the eventually going to be open sourced? Does it make it easy for the professor to create the page (i.e..doc to pdf conversion and so on)?
At my school we have a system that I assume we purhased called WebCT, and, frankly, it sucks. In fact for a supposedly technology driven school, we have some crappy resources. A bunch of sun workstations and 6 dollar copies of Windows XP, whoopteedo. I digress.
However, in my rhetoric class we handle all document management (turning in papers, journal entries, teachers notes, etc) via an online service provided by the University of Texas Austin. Aside from some really hokey things (strands of learning? that sounds rather new age) it is an interesting way to turn in papers and recieve feedback. It is pretty raw, but it has potential.
It is supposedly going to be open sourced (it is a php/mysql thing, I know because I saw the standard mysql overload page on it one day). Any other schools have systems like this? UTDallas does not, but then again, UTDallas sucks.
First off, I live in the dfw/dallas/denton area, and I can see a service like this working out. Southwest is king of business travel (and pretty much all the domestic travel for me), especially here in Texas. But SW is pretty uncomfortable compared to the smack they are talking about this Eclipse jet, so there is a valid business to be had, there.
Secondly, Linux makes things cheap. We use it almost exclusively here for servers (except for some legacy windows stuff we have to run) and the push for Linux on the staffs desktops has started rolling. It would make my job infinitely easier.
That said, this guy seems to worry more about Tux crap and using open source software at every level, than creating a useful and solid system for management of their business. PostNuke? PHPGroupware? I didnt think anyone really used that stuff for REAL business, I know I wouldnt. We have craploads of solid programmers in North Dallas that can write these applications from ground up with features that count and without all that bullshit those other programs have already included. They can hire 2-3 programmers to write their system from ground up in Python/Zope/WebWare or Perl/Mason w/ SapDB/PostgreSQL and be better off than molding PHPGroupware and Postnuke into a different app.
Linux and free software packages are great when used properly, but software should be molded for a business not a business molded around software.
Best of luck, though.
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"Most other media" is a different beast. With Radio, or television, or newspapers, there are high startup costs, and lots of savings to be made by consolidation. Additionally, owning an outlet in ever market is the only way to have your signal be omnipresent. With internet radio, the startup costs are negligible (a DSL or cable line and some streaming software, and no licensing or other gov't restrictions), and the entire internet using population is a potential listener.
As this medium grows, however, the costs rise exponentially (read: bandwidth).
Now why is this important? Becuase Walter is on the board, and the boards mission is to increase share-holder value (As opposed to the CEO and managers whos mission is to keep their jobs!), and if Walter was acting in the best interest of the share holder this fight should have gone down long ago for much less money!
Better late than never. At least he had the balls to tell everyone this is a bad idea in the long run.The shareholders just tanked HP stock (in the future) and Fiorina was inches from fleecing the company to the tune of 70 Million Dollars. She has the board by the balls, man, and this merger is a distraction from the fact that she is a shit CEO. She is going to take the money and run and everyone is going to pay for it.
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1. Not relevant. It is _not_ complicated. There will be libraries (that do not use eval()) that handle all of that "complicated" (http?) stuff. 2. Five seconds if you have an account. 3. Doesn't give you a single id. 4. Email? DNS? 5. ? 6. Conceded. This isn't targeted at banking applications though, still, it's something to watch for. 7. OK. 8. Once again, it's not foolproof, but it fills a niche. 9. CMS designers are often morons. Get a real job.
Hahah.
No, I'm pretty sure the parent is correct. The oo people obviously are horrible UI programmers (being open source programmers and all) and this is really a genuine effort at an updated splash logo. In fact I'd go as far as to say that's probably what we'll being seeing in Feb or Mar. when it goes 2.0.
I commend the parent for catching this fault and letting the world know that all of those millions of lines of code are cheapened by a stupid mspaint splash logo in preview release. The open source world needs more UI experts like him to show us our faults and where we need to focus our attentions to "make it" in the real world.
There are a couple notable events and people that have ultimately been affected by Ralph Nader.
Still, I believe Nader is fighting a good fight, using his position of influence as leverage in invigorating the weekend democrat. If Bush is re-elected, you can be sure there will be some waking up in this country before it's all over. Nader isn't running to beat Bush or Kerry, he is running to change a system that elects only Bushs and Kerrys.
I definately don't expect most people to agree, though
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Thank god.
Does this mean the iChat A/V will _officially_ support Jabber?
It's already in CVS Evolution. Check it out and build it yourself. http://developer.ximian.com/projects/evolution/con tributing.html
Can I take you up on that?
I can see Nick Denton counting his AdSense monies right now...
Training steps for stream international employees:
Answer phone.
Log call.
Punt.
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My stupid fault. In fact, that makes me feel better as I've always had more respect for AC anyways.
First, I admire Daring Fireball in all of it's pedantic glory. Maybe he is just trolling for April 1st.
OSS software is not always easy to use - there are plenty of OSS developers and users who understand this constant plight. This article doesn't seem to recognize that. Gruber always paints with a broad brush and it is hard not to be offended by what he is saying and implying in this article.
Good user interfaces result from long, hard work, by talented developers and designers.
Check this Gruber - Gnome, KDE, Easy Software (CUPS), Freedesktop, Mozilla, Ximian, Trolltech, Activestate, IBM, Sun, Redhat, SuSE, Novell, Mandrake, Debian, Open Office, Apple, and on and on, ALL have talented developers and designers on board. Some are paid, many are not. All of them write, package, repackage, extend, design, evolve, sell services around or just use OSS software. Even if the print setup on Alan Cox computer was too difficult for anyone, it was written by a talented developer and probably looked over by a talented designer somewhere later. It just didn't work this time around. So we move on. We re-examine it. I promise you we didn't need Alan Cox to tell us it needs improvement. Alan Cox is not OSS. Alan Cox problems do not reflect everyone's problems. Certainly not my co-worker who's CUPS install does autodiscover. It even connected to my amazing Apple Powerbook's shared printers running off... CUPS.
There are plenty of failures in OSS usablity. They are being fixed fast (release). The fast (release) is complimented by the fast (performance) of Linux. I use OS X everyday, don't tell me it is more responsive than Linux and it's OSS on equal hardware. You don't have enough proof to refute mine, I don't have enough proof to disprove yours. OSS is also more than just cheap software, it's cheap software that runs on cheap hardware (more on this below). And it will be good. I think it's good right now. Novell and IBM thinks it's so good right now they are rolling it out, company wide.
Talented programmers who work long full-time hours crafting software need to be paid. That means selling software. Remember the old open source magic formula - that one could make money giving away software by selling services and support? That hasn't happened - in terms of producing well-designed end user software - and it's no wonder why....
For example, look at how much Mac OS X has improved in the last three years alone. Even if desktop Linux is improving - and I do think it is - it's improving at a much slower pace than Mac OS X....
Mac OS X printing implementation was built on much of the same software as Alan Cox Fedora install. This is the panacea of the OSS business model - quality free (libre) disparate software, glued together by intelligent programmers. Further I don't understand Gruber's point of view - Apple is making money off OSS and the developers are getting paid. The support and services might be in the form of support software which may not be what the kind of support he was thinking of... but it's still services and support.
This isn't to say desktop Linux isn't growing in use. It is, and will continue to. But it's growing at the bottom end of the market - cheap $400 computers from Wal-Mart. That's a market where software usability is not a key feature.
I'm sorry but Gruber is wrong. It is a key feature in that market - according to Linux developers. Maybe not Apple developers and maybe not Microsoft developers. However, to many, many, many OSS developers, usability importance doesn't scale with price. That's a disgusting, exclusive statement by Gruber.
Posted here tooFirst the Principia... NOW THE WEBPAGE.
Have these men no shame?
This would be an excellent way to encode MP3s. You should do a benchmark and rip and burn (whoops tm violation) your CD collection. Look into mosix.
If you document this, let me know the URL.
Oh, I am not new at all. I have seen all of the labs and the Linux ones suck. The problem I have with UTD is their Sun-heavy UNIX policies, the fact that they hiked up my tuition by %25, my comp-sci teacher was a long winded bitch with a slew of sycophants for TA's and UTD has dicks for student worker techs (my apologies if you are one).
/.'er, I was wondering, you know anything about the state of the UTD LUG? I have sent a hundred emails to them and havent got anything back...
The wireless network is cool, yes. I have seen plenty of new Dells, so the newer systems in the labs do not really do anything for me. I went to check the Mac labs and some fucktard said the macs were broke, then a nicer student worker said they were not authenticating properly (or some such) and the fucktard said (in a most condenscending voice) "NO, they are inherently broke, they are macs". Well I am not mac zealot, but fuck him for treating me like an idiot.
Hrm what else? The web-based mail sucks fucking donkey balls. Campus Pipeline is a bullshit system. I should never be barraged with fucking banner ads when I try to check my school email, so I do it by pine, but would rather have mutt. The online job center uses erecruiting.com which is some fucking way to do things when you are surrounded with a couple of thousand CS students who need real world examples for future employers, probably willing to work for free on a project like, oh, web-based departmental applications...
The campus newspaper sucks, they need a system like cofax to publish the newspaper online. The UTD website looks like ass, and they need someone with half a brain to design a decent logo for the school. I guess thats really subjective, though. The LRO idea is cool, but man alive does WebCT suck.
I am sure you were being nice, and I really appreciate the reply (and sorry to go on a longwinded cussing rant), but I have an endless number of issues with UTD. However, since you are
Forgive me if this is available on the site, I might not have seen it, but is the software for creating this site available? Are there web based tools for creating the individual course pages and maintaining them? Are the eventually going to be open sourced? Does it make it easy for the professor to create the page (i.e. .doc to pdf conversion and so on)?
At my school we have a system that I assume we purhased called WebCT, and, frankly, it sucks. In fact for a supposedly technology driven school, we have some crappy resources. A bunch of sun workstations and 6 dollar copies of Windows XP, whoopteedo. I digress.
However, in my rhetoric class we handle all document management (turning in papers, journal entries, teachers notes, etc) via an online service provided by the University of Texas Austin. Aside from some really hokey things (strands of learning? that sounds rather new age) it is an interesting way to turn in papers and recieve feedback. It is pretty raw, but it has potential.
It is supposedly going to be open sourced (it is a php/mysql thing, I know because I saw the standard mysql overload page on it one day). Any other schools have systems like this? UTDallas does not, but then again, UTDallas sucks.
First off, I live in the dfw/dallas/denton area, and I can see a service like this working out. Southwest is king of business travel (and pretty much all the domestic travel for me), especially here in Texas. But SW is pretty uncomfortable compared to the smack they are talking about this Eclipse jet, so there is a valid business to be had, there.
Secondly, Linux makes things cheap. We use it almost exclusively here for servers (except for some legacy windows stuff we have to run) and the push for Linux on the staffs desktops has started rolling. It would make my job infinitely easier.
That said, this guy seems to worry more about Tux crap and using open source software at every level, than creating a useful and solid system for management of their business. PostNuke? PHPGroupware? I didnt think anyone really used that stuff for REAL business, I know I wouldnt. We have craploads of solid programmers in North Dallas that can write these applications from ground up with features that count and without all that bullshit those other programs have already included. They can hire 2-3 programmers to write their system from ground up in Python/Zope/WebWare or Perl/Mason w/ SapDB/PostgreSQL and be better off than molding PHPGroupware and Postnuke into a different app.
Linux and free software packages are great when used properly, but software should be molded for a business not a business molded around software.
Best of luck, though.
Nice troll, but you are obviously an idiot.
BTW, I hope you meant Turing machine.
nuff said
Wow. What the fuck?
Says it all, eh?
T3s ain't cheap yo.
It is Midvale School for the Gifted, and the guy is pushing when the door says "pull".
Thanks,
dustym
Better late than never. At least he had the balls to tell everyone this is a bad idea in the long run.The shareholders just tanked HP stock (in the future) and Fiorina was inches from fleecing the company to the tune of 70 Million Dollars. She has the board by the balls, man, and this merger is a distraction from the fact that she is a shit CEO. She is going to take the money and run and everyone is going to pay for it.