The link is at the bottom of the page, labeled user agreement. There is NO specific link from the template master page. There is NO warning from the online purchase (at least up until the point that you check out and are ready to fill in billing info) that you are NOT purchasing the product.
It could have worked on Stargate in the context that it was presented in... since they did the carbon dating on the cover stones.
Common building materials of the period, such as brick, were comprised of mainly of mud and straw, both of which could be carbon dated. Of course if the cover stones were in fact a solid piece of rock then it may be a different story.
"So I have a pretty decent record and CD collection that is not pirated."
You've missing the point: it's not piracy, it's not theft, and it's not copyright violation. Your attitude is a disservice to the freedom that we have in Canada to freely copy music. Repeat after me, it's LEGAL to copy music for personal use in Canada.
If you don't want to spend an extra $0.77, then don't buy Audio CD-Rs.
IANAL - But the law is very clear that it is only legal to make personal copies of music. In other words, you can legally lend a CD to a friend who makes a copy for himself, but, you cannot make a copy of a CD for a friend. That would be distributing copyrighted material.
There is no gray area for file sharing - you may download (make a personal copy), you may not upload as that is distribution as well. In a Kaaza type environment, the only people breaking the law are those with files shared for other people.
"I write in elvish"
I know what you mean, but to be correct, Twengar is an alphabet, not a language. Had you been writing in Quenya or Sindarin you would have indeed been writing in Elvish.
"Just because it's illegal per the DMCA, doesn't mean that its wrong."
It's not illegal per the DMCA, it's illegal based on Copyright law. You are not entitled to distribute copyrighted materials without prior written permission from the owner. That's how it stands today, even if you don't agree with it. And what you say does nothing to change the fact that you are knowingly breaking the law.
"Our freedoms are gradually being ripped up from under us by the bad mistakes of today's politics.... I'm fed up with turning on the TV and hearing about an overfluffed politican talking about blowing up people's personal property for copyright violations."
Do you mean freedom as in beer or speech?!
You are willing to openly break the law, and expend effort and resources to protest the erosion of freedom in the United States as demonstrated by the RIAA in it's persuit of copyright violators. I'd love to see what efforts you put forth in protest of a much more hidious violation of those freedoms, such as the Patriot Act? Or is it not worth it without the free tunes?
I don't know if you mean to come off sounding like a spoiled brat, but... you flaunt the fact that your family are a bunch of successful lawyers, you have money (and if you have roommates, it's more likely that you don't, but your parents do), and you are willing to be sued for something you are doing that's illegal (and know damn well it is), because you can win? You're just about everything wrong with the United States all wrapped up in one post.And quite frankly I hope they do come after you.
If you're so damn important and have so much money, why not use it and your successful lawyer family to defend the people that have been issued subpoenas and CAN'T afford to fight?
Let's put things into perspective. Distributing copyrighted material is illegal. Period. They are doing precisely what should have been doing years ago: going after those who illegally distribute.
I remember arguments on Slashdot from a while back, about the DMCA, and how if the **AA would use existing laws to protect their copyrights, they wouldn't need the DMCA.
Now they do just that and people are up in arms. You people are far to confusing.
Ironic, yes. But keep in mind that this is not cheating, it is simply an optimization to make the page render more quickly. Note however that if you renname the url to http://www.microsoft.com the optimization dissapears!
" Contrary to what the RIAA wants you to believe, it appears that making a copy of an audio recording may be perfectly legal in the US, even if you don't own the original recording, as long as it is for noncommercial purposes. "
Nope. The Audio Home Recording act likely refers to making a copy from an origianl for personal use.You don't need to own the original, but you do need to make a copy from it.
IANAL, I am Canadian (don't know US law, although it seems very 'interesting') and have very little time right now to research the equivalent in US law... But in Canada, you are free to make an analog or digital recording for personal use from an original recording and there is an exise tax on blank media specifically for that purpose. The law is also clear that you must personally make a copy of the original. For example, you can lend Joe your brand spanking new {insert album name here} CD, and he can make a copy and return the original to you. BUT, he cannot give you a blank and have you make a copy for him.
The reason P2P violates the law (as it is written now) is that you aren't making a copy from an original. The other, much bigger violation, is that someone is distributing.
"Suppose there's a huge middle man who takes 99% of the profit from your books and pays you the difference, which allows you to break even or even lose money after the middle man charges you for paper, binding, and marketing fees. Are they stealing from you, the author? Or are they stealing from the middle man?"
So it's ok to make sure that the author gets 0% rather than the 1% of the profits, because you are morally outraged that the middleman is taking the other 99%. How noble of you.
"This is a shade of grey. I'm in the process of replacing, through peer to peer downloads, all of the music I listed to in high school. It was all on cassette tape. They're all long gone now, all destroyed or lost one way or another. I also lost a significant number of CDs in a move.If I replace all of them with peer to peer, is that theft?"
Yes it is, plain and simple. There is no shade of grey here at all. You LOST the CDs, you lost the tapes. You didn't make backups.
Do you help yourself to a pair socks when you lost a pair that you've already paid for? Do you ask the teller at the bank for another $20 to replace the one that fell out of your pocket? Why on earth should anyone else be held accountable for your own negligence?
If you feel justified in replacing CDs that you lost for free, simply because you paid for them once, why not walk into a store and take the entire CD? You've already paid for it once, right? I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't. And I'm pretty sure that even if you did, you wouldn't proudly admit to it in a public forum.
"By the same logic, rental cars are just advertising for the automobile company, so we shouldn't have to pay to rent cars."
That's hardly a fair analogy. Something more to the point would be test driving a car before buying it; You have to bring the salesman along. It's a watered down experience compared to what you could do once you own it. But it is 'advertising' the product. When's the last time you paid to test drive a car?
"And apples (the fruit, not the computers) are just advertising for apple trees, so we shouldn't have to pay for apples.",
The company that sells the apple trees probably wouldn't object to giving a prospective customer a free apple before the customer has to commit to buying the tree.
Funny thing is though, and hardly off topic, if the RIAA were in charge of apple trees, we'd all have to buy an entire apple tree even though we only want one apple.
"However I think the bigger improvement will be in the release of WebCore along with integrated apps. A fast HTML renderer that is available to all apps will be quite useful. Not to mention that it would better the performance of any apple app that displays HTML, like Mail, Sherlock, Help Viewer (please!!!), Project Builder, etc"
Microsoft did this a while ago, and everyone screams murder. Apple does it and you're looking forward to it?
The copy protection scheme is called SCMS, or Serial Copy Management System and has been around for years. It limits the ability to make a digital copy from a digital copy. In consumer electonics, this means that you can digitally copy a CD to Minidisk, but you could not make a digital copy of that Minidisk.
In other words, it protects the copyright holder, while allow the consumer to exercise his or her legal rights.
SCMS is not part of ATRAC as it is also used in DAT players for the same purpose. So SCMS could be used elsewhere without the need to use ATRAC as a codec. Interestingly enought I found this quote in reference to SCMS "For example, if a digital audio recording device is labeled as being for the 'consumer' market, then it legally -- as mandated by your U.S. Congress -- must have SCMS." This legislation has been around for a long time, is mandatory in consumer digital audio equipment, and was implemented before the DMCA.
P.S. it is not Dolby's ATRAC. Sony (knowingly or not) violated some prior Dobly patents while developing ATRAC. As a settlement, Sony entered a into a licensing agreement with Dolby. Dolby ony owns parts of the codec.
The Atari 800 line released in 1978 outperformed it in both critera. A possible 256 colors on screen (although normally 16 colors were used) and 4 voice sound. Similarily the Commodore 64 was relased before the PC Jr. with superior specs.
It took the IBM / Clone world YEARS to catch up to Atari and Commodore. Heck, Atari was doing 512 color, and Amiga was doing 4,096 colors while the PC world was sucking up 4 colors (or 16 for the ultra rich.)
computing world != IBM PC. There were far more, and far better contenders out there.
" If the artist or publisher did not intend to distribute their work for free, then copying it from someone else is stealing, plain and simple. This is wrong and should be prevented or punished appropriately."
Dear Senator Hollings, That statement is completely false (at least in Canada.) Copying something FOR someone else is illegal. Copying something for myself is not, in fact, I PAY a tax on blank media, regardless of it's eventual purpose, that goes to compensate the artists in the music industry for lost revenue from person copies. personal copies != stealing != piracy. Don't try to make people who excercise their legal rights feel like criminals! Why on earth do you need a system to report perfecly legal activities to the copyright holders who have already been compensated for the copying??
I believe you are referring to Racing Destruction Set, a very popular game by Electronic Arts released in 1984. Many of my pre-teen hours were wasted creating tracks for this game. Many more waiting for it to load! For those interested a remake is underway.
I don't know how your high school did things, but once a year we had to do fund raisers for the music department (on top of selling tickets for concerts.) That money went to fix up the instruments and to sponsor competitions. Once a year we had to do it for the volleyball team as well. Even at that we had crap volleyball equipment. The money payed for our uniforms and travel for tournaments.
Despite the fact that our nets were held together with bungie cord and duct tape, we didn't get new gear because the school bought 15 brand new PS/2 (not the Sony ones) desktops, a server, Novell 2.11 and a site license for Wordperfect. You damn scholars, we needed a new net!
Should everyone else not get the opportunity to play tennis or be on a swimming team because your beaker blew up? It's not 'good for them', having a pool and tennis courts is good for everyone. Guess what, the school can make money renting those out after hours and during the summer.
And no, I most certainly will not clean your pool, nor re-shingle your roof. I have much better things to do. If you ever have any problems with telecom, CTI and/or IVR equipment, need help setting up a call center or need a hand compiling your kernel, give me a call. Bigot.
Nice attitude. If you've got any wonderful ideas on how to improve the products, or the business models, feel free to offer it up. Comments like that are detremental to the linux community as a whole. Try being part of the solution instead of part of the problem. I find it amusing how people are saying that UnitedLinux is divided already. Well, the community is as well and you're demonstrating that.
Saying Mandrake is doing nothing inovative is complete ignorance. Just because you don't need the features that Mandrake has brought to the community doesn't make them a crap distro. It has brought in many people to the linux community thanks to it's installer and ease of use. Hardware detection is second to none. And quite frankly, I think the 'Club thing' is a very good idea and I hope it works out well for them.
Damn you! I waited until the movie was released in 1977 to see it, no wonder I payed more =)
Now on a more serious note... My family went to see it in '77 at a drive in... back then we only watched movies in drive ins. How would they calculate the gross if everyone who went to the drive-in payed to see *two* movies. Did they just/2 and give half to Star-Wars? Did whatever movie it was playing before Star wars end up looking like it did better? I'm asking out of curiosity....
My god where do you dream this crap up?
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"...you're trying to make great movies aimed primarily at the young."
WHAT? I guess the comic books were for the young as well?
Spider-Man is doing so well because it ISN'T targeted at primarily young. It's for the Gen-Xers. It's for our parents. It's for anyone who loves super heroes. It's for geeks. It's for people who have read and loved the comic books. And for people who watched the cartoons (I hoped that they would reuse the same 3 scenes for when he was swinging around. At least once, just for us!)
Why do you think we got the X-men? Blade? Why do you think the Hulk is on it's way? Scoobie? Not for the kiddies moron, it's for us. They know we'll bite. That we'll all go see our heroes in action. They want to drag the BIG kids in.
The average age opening night when I was there, best as I can figure (while waiting in line), was 30+. Not 12. Not 18. It was our generation wearing the spidey shirts for crying out loud!
Saving humanity from the spawns of hell is probably one of the oldest plot devices in human story-telling history. Beowulf [lone-star.net] (the book not the cluster) is the oldest known work in the English language and basically follows the same plot line.
I'd hate to be fussy, but it's a poem, not a book, nor is it in English (the page you link to says it is an adaptation... it is really a translation and bears more in common with Germanic and Gaelic than modern English.)
The story of Beowulf outdates the written version by far, having been passed down by the oral tradition. There is speculation that the written version bears strong Christian influences, likely to help lure the savage Anglo-Saxon rabble from the dark side. Since it was likely monks who wrote the transcription, that isn't surprising.
IF you spent the time to read the article, instead of looking for sentences that outrage you, you might realise that the vulnerability affects the MSN Chat OCX.
In an advisory today, Eeye warned that the flaw in the "MSN Chat OCX control" enables an attacker to "supply and execute code on any machine on which MSN Messenger with the ActiveX is installed."
In other words, if those components are installed, even if you don't use them, you are at risk. You're right, it has nothing to do with Trillian.
The author is right, completely right. Try reading next time.
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The link is at the bottom of the page, labeled user agreement. There is NO specific link from the template master page. There is NO warning from the online purchase (at least up until the point that you check out and are ready to fill in billing info) that you are NOT purchasing the product.
Surely that is not legal?
It could have worked on Stargate in the context that it was presented in... since they did the carbon dating on the cover stones.
Common building materials of the period, such as brick, were comprised of mainly of mud and straw, both of which could be carbon dated. Of course if the cover stones were in fact a solid piece of rock then it may be a different story.
"So I have a pretty decent record and CD collection that is not pirated."
You've missing the point: it's not piracy, it's not theft, and it's not copyright violation. Your attitude is a disservice to the freedom that we have in Canada to freely copy music. Repeat after me, it's LEGAL to copy music for personal use in Canada.
If you don't want to spend an extra $0.77, then don't buy Audio CD-Rs.
IANAL - But the law is very clear that it is only legal to make personal copies of music. In other words, you can legally lend a CD to a friend who makes a copy for himself, but, you cannot make a copy of a CD for a friend. That would be distributing copyrighted material.
There is no gray area for file sharing - you may download (make a personal copy), you may not upload as that is distribution as well. In a Kaaza type environment, the only people breaking the law are those with files shared for other people.
"I write in elvish"
I know what you mean, but to be correct, Twengar is an alphabet, not a language. Had you been writing in Quenya or Sindarin you would have indeed been writing in Elvish.
It's not illegal per the DMCA, it's illegal based on Copyright law. You are not entitled to distribute copyrighted materials without prior written permission from the owner. That's how it stands today, even if you don't agree with it. And what you say does nothing to change the fact that you are knowingly breaking the law.
"Our freedoms are gradually being ripped up from under us by the bad mistakes of today's politics.... I'm fed up with turning on the TV and hearing about an overfluffed politican talking about blowing up people's personal property for copyright violations."Do you mean freedom as in beer or speech?!
You are willing to openly break the law, and expend effort and resources to protest the erosion of freedom in the United States as demonstrated by the RIAA in it's persuit of copyright violators. I'd love to see what efforts you put forth in protest of a much more hidious violation of those freedoms, such as the Patriot Act? Or is it not worth it without the free tunes?
I don't know if you mean to come off sounding like a spoiled brat, but... you flaunt the fact that your family are a bunch of successful lawyers, you have money (and if you have roommates, it's more likely that you don't, but your parents do), and you are willing to be sued for something you are doing that's illegal (and know damn well it is), because you can win? You're just about everything wrong with the United States all wrapped up in one post.And quite frankly I hope they do come after you.
If you're so damn important and have so much money, why not use it and your successful lawyer family to defend the people that have been issued subpoenas and CAN'T afford to fight?
Let's put things into perspective. Distributing copyrighted material is illegal. Period. They are doing precisely what should have been doing years ago: going after those who illegally distribute.
I remember arguments on Slashdot from a while back, about the DMCA, and how if the **AA would use existing laws to protect their copyrights, they wouldn't need the DMCA.
Now they do just that and people are up in arms. You people are far to confusing.Ironic, yes. But keep in mind that this is not cheating, it is simply an optimization to make the page render more quickly. Note however that if you renname the url to http://www.microsoft.com the optimization dissapears!
Nope. The Audio Home Recording act likely refers to making a copy from an origianl for personal use.You don't need to own the original, but you do need to make a copy from it.
IANAL, I am Canadian (don't know US law, although it seems very 'interesting') and have very little time right now to research the equivalent in US law... But in Canada, you are free to make an analog or digital recording for personal use from an original recording and there is an exise tax on blank media specifically for that purpose. The law is also clear that you must personally make a copy of the original. For example, you can lend Joe your brand spanking new {insert album name here} CD, and he can make a copy and return the original to you. BUT, he cannot give you a blank and have you make a copy for him.
The reason P2P violates the law (as it is written now) is that you aren't making a copy from an original. The other, much bigger violation, is that someone is distributing.
So it's ok to make sure that the author gets 0% rather than the 1% of the profits, because you are morally outraged that the middleman is taking the other 99%. How noble of you.
"This is a shade of grey. I'm in the process of replacing, through peer to peer downloads, all of the music I listed to in high school. It was all on cassette tape. They're all long gone now, all destroyed or lost one way or another. I also lost a significant number of CDs in a move.If I replace all of them with peer to peer, is that theft?"Yes it is, plain and simple. There is no shade of grey here at all. You LOST the CDs, you lost the tapes. You didn't make backups.
Do you help yourself to a pair socks when you lost a pair that you've already paid for? Do you ask the teller at the bank for another $20 to replace the one that fell out of your pocket? Why on earth should anyone else be held accountable for your own negligence?
If you feel justified in replacing CDs that you lost for free, simply because you paid for them once, why not walk into a store and take the entire CD? You've already paid for it once, right? I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't. And I'm pretty sure that even if you did, you wouldn't proudly admit to it in a public forum.
That's hardly a fair analogy. Something more to the point would be test driving a car before buying it; You have to bring the salesman along. It's a watered down experience compared to what you could do once you own it. But it is 'advertising' the product. When's the last time you paid to test drive a car?
"And apples (the fruit, not the computers) are just advertising for apple trees, so we shouldn't have to pay for apples.",The company that sells the apple trees probably wouldn't object to giving a prospective customer a free apple before the customer has to commit to buying the tree.
Funny thing is though, and hardly off topic, if the RIAA were in charge of apple trees, we'd all have to buy an entire apple tree even though we only want one apple.
Microsoft did this a while ago, and everyone screams murder. Apple does it and you're looking forward to it?
Sony is more loveable when you consider that it's a multi-headed beast.
- The things we love come from Sony Electronics Inc. and Sony Computers Inc.
- The stuff we hate is happening at Sony Music Enterntainment Inc. and Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc.
As shown here they all have their own Board and chairman. So it's very easy to hate one or two heads while liking the others.The copy protection scheme is called SCMS, or Serial Copy Management System and has been around for years. It limits the ability to make a digital copy from a digital copy. In consumer electonics, this means that you can digitally copy a CD to Minidisk, but you could not make a digital copy of that Minidisk.
In other words, it protects the copyright holder, while allow the consumer to exercise his or her legal rights.
SCMS is not part of ATRAC as it is also used in DAT players for the same purpose. So SCMS could be used elsewhere without the need to use ATRAC as a codec. Interestingly enought I found this quote in reference to SCMS "For example, if a digital audio recording device is labeled as being for the 'consumer' market, then it legally -- as mandated by your U.S. Congress -- must have SCMS." This legislation has been around for a long time, is mandatory in consumer digital audio equipment, and was implemented before the DMCA.
P.S. it is not Dolby's ATRAC. Sony (knowingly or not) violated some prior Dobly patents while developing ATRAC. As a settlement, Sony entered a into a licensing agreement with Dolby. Dolby ony owns parts of the codec.
I hope you don't believe that.
The Atari 800 line released in 1978 outperformed it in both critera. A possible 256 colors on screen (although normally 16 colors were used) and 4 voice sound. Similarily the Commodore 64 was relased before the PC Jr. with superior specs.
It took the IBM / Clone world YEARS to catch up to Atari and Commodore. Heck, Atari was doing 512 color, and Amiga was doing 4,096 colors while the PC world was sucking up 4 colors (or 16 for the ultra rich.)
computing world != IBM PC. There were far more, and far better contenders out there.
Dear Senator Hollings,
That statement is completely false (at least in Canada.) Copying something FOR someone else is illegal. Copying something for myself is not, in fact, I PAY a tax on blank media, regardless of it's eventual purpose, that goes to compensate the artists in the music industry for lost revenue from person copies. personal copies != stealing != piracy. Don't try to make people who excercise their legal rights feel like criminals! Why on earth do you need a system to report perfecly legal activities to the copyright holders who have already been compensated for the copying??
I believe you are referring to Racing Destruction Set, a very popular game by Electronic Arts released in 1984. Many of my pre-teen hours were wasted creating tracks for this game. Many more waiting for it to load! For those interested a remake is underway.
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I don't know how your high school did things, but once a year we had to do fund raisers for the music department (on top of selling tickets for concerts.) That money went to fix up the instruments and to sponsor competitions. Once a year we had to do it for the volleyball team as well. Even at that we had crap volleyball equipment. The money payed for our uniforms and travel for tournaments.
Despite the fact that our nets were held together with bungie cord and duct tape, we didn't get new gear because the school bought 15 brand new PS/2 (not the Sony ones) desktops, a server, Novell 2.11 and a site license for Wordperfect. You damn scholars, we needed a new net!
Should everyone else not get the opportunity to play tennis or be on a swimming team because your beaker blew up? It's not 'good for them', having a pool and tennis courts is good for everyone. Guess what, the school can make money renting those out after hours and during the summer.
And no, I most certainly will not clean your pool, nor re-shingle your roof. I have much better things to do. If you ever have any problems with telecom, CTI and/or IVR equipment, need help setting up a call center or need a hand compiling your kernel, give me a call. Bigot.
Nice attitude.
If you've got any wonderful ideas on how to improve the products, or the business models, feel free to offer it up. Comments like that are detremental to the linux community as a whole. Try being part of the solution instead of part of the problem. I find it amusing how people are saying that UnitedLinux is divided already. Well, the community is as well and you're demonstrating that.
Saying Mandrake is doing nothing inovative is complete ignorance. Just because you don't need the features that Mandrake has brought to the community doesn't make them a crap distro. It has brought in many people to the linux community thanks to it's installer and ease of use. Hardware detection is second to none. And quite frankly, I think the 'Club thing' is a very good idea and I hope it works out well for them.
I rather liked Willow personally. And Twice upon a Time. And Raiders of the lost Ark. Should I go on...
Damn you! I waited until the movie was released in 1977 to see it, no wonder I payed more =)
Now on a more serious note... My family went to see it in '77 at a drive in... back then we only watched movies in drive ins. How would they calculate the gross if everyone who went to the drive-in payed to see *two* movies. Did they just /2 and give half to Star-Wars? Did whatever movie it was playing before Star wars end up looking like it did better? I'm asking out of curiosity....
WHAT? I guess the comic books were for the young as well?
Spider-Man is doing so well because it ISN'T targeted at primarily young.
It's for the Gen-Xers.
It's for our parents.
It's for anyone who loves super heroes.
It's for geeks.
It's for people who have read and loved the comic books.
And for people who watched the cartoons (I hoped that they would reuse the same 3 scenes for when he was swinging around. At least once, just for us!)
Why do you think we got the X-men? Blade? Why do you think the Hulk is on it's way? Scoobie? Not for the kiddies moron, it's for us. They know we'll bite. That we'll all go see our heroes in action. They want to drag the BIG kids in.
The average age opening night when I was there, best as I can figure (while waiting in line), was 30+. Not 12. Not 18. It was our generation wearing the spidey shirts for crying out loud!
I'd hate to be fussy, but it's a poem, not a book, nor is it in English (the page you link to says it is an adaptation... it is really a translation and bears more in common with Germanic and Gaelic than modern English.)
The story of Beowulf outdates the written version by far, having been passed down by the oral tradition. There is speculation that the written version bears strong Christian influences, likely to help lure the savage Anglo-Saxon rabble from the dark side. Since it was likely monks who wrote the transcription, that isn't surprising.
Doom III looks neat though.
In an advisory today, Eeye warned that the flaw in the "MSN Chat OCX control" enables an attacker to "supply and execute code on any machine on which MSN Messenger with the ActiveX is installed."
In other words, if those components are installed, even if you don't use them, you are at risk. You're right, it has nothing to do with Trillian.
The author is right, completely right. Try reading next time.