I had the same sort of issue a few months back, bad USB port on an HP (Which they are famous for) and I didn't want some assclown to poke though my stuff. I just dup'ed it then did a wipe and put a clean vanilla install of XP on it. Didn't even activate it or install drivers. Ran the OS install then packed it up for shipping.
These people just are not smart at all. If you have no power and no screen they still want to know what OS is on it even if it won't boot. They might as well be robots and you should treat them as such.
And to the original poster of the article Tikka most of all your stupid for thinking that this wouldn't happen. Your an arrogant clueless fool.
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Anyone who makes a comment about pining for the fjords gets a slap. Pining for Fjords just makes them grumpy. Besides He was an African Grey, not a Norwegian Blue. Still if this is the Second Earth Commissioned by the Mice then Slartibartfast got to have glaciers roll over Africa as he mentioned in the Hitchhikers Guide (the good version).
This act is contrary to everything that makes America who it is. At least they had the marginally good sense to put a sunset on it. I think they knew it would be kicked out at some point anyway. Good riddance. Patriot Act supporters are whats wrong in America.
There are two reasons that geeks tend to be social liberals. First, they've generally experienced the short end of the stick with respect to the sort of social conformity that conservatives and populists like. Telling other people who to live their personal lives and what kinds of entertainment they should enjoy doesn't go over well with geeks. They also tend not to buy into the "pep rally" form of patriotism that social conservatives favor.
Second, there's a greater trend in the geek population away from the sort of religious belief. Few geeks have the religious motivation to be against abortion and gay marriage, the two social rallying flags of social conservatives today in America. Agreed as is the rallying flags for the Left as well. Both tend toward standing for what the other is against not out of choice but more toward resembling team colors. Reminds me of a Circle Jerks lyric 'they hate us, we hate them....' Neither side is acting rationally. I wonder how many people on both sides know not only what their side stands for but the other side does as well. How many people who call themselves Libertarians make their choice because both sides are unacceptable when taken as a whole. I confess I don't embrace it 100% or anything for that matter. I tend Left as I've always done. I just don't play the Zombie.
So, that pretty much only leaves the economic axis to worry about to differentiate the remaining geek populace into either liberals or libertarians. This is why this Slashdot poll did not surprise me in the least. While there was no populist/authoritarian option, conservative was the least picked choice of the mainstream political beliefs, and liberal and libertarian were the top two.
So, then the question fundamentally comes down to, "What do you fear the most?"
An inefficient government running roughshod over you (taxation, interference in property rights, tyranny of the majority, etc).
Powerful, unaccountable private entities running roughshod over you (monopolies, externalities, inequity of power, etc).
Of course, this is a bit of an oversimplification (as is the notion that most people fit into these little political boxes), but it mostly suffices. I find that most libertarian and most liberal points of view come down to concerns that their favorite bogeyman will ruin everything if left unchecked and powerless. More nuanced views come from realizing that they both are pretty bad and that you have to make a choice how to balance them (even if you tend to throw the balance almost entirely one way or the other). The crazy ideologues you see here on Slashdot and elsewhere are the people who seem to never acknowledge that the other side's feared enemy is a problem too. I don't thing it's all about economics, the choice for political leaders and most other tend to follow a spectrum from Moron to Crook. [Lifted that from a Jim Butcher/Dresden Files novel] Beyond that my faith in this system of government is fairly suck away. Still nothing has presented is self as a better alternative yet. So I will Still Vote still participate still try because being apathetic is a worse sin then anything a politician could do.
I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week,...
[also choice bits which are definitive of the state of politics today; ]
Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away
Unincluded things do not mean forbidden. Welfare falls under disaster relief in my book. Loss of family (Orphans etc) ability to work, financial predators (bad banks) those are public welfare issues I agree with that thing about 'promote the general welfare.....' it does work for me.
If we have a social contract then fine, lets spell it out concisely, and I do support public health along the lines of the UK/Canada etc. I have been uninsured lots of times. It's overdue in the US. nuff said
Vroomfondle: We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty.
Douglas Adams was right. This question is degenerating into the same sort of scenario as Vroomfondle and Majikthise had with Deep Thought.
Then here is your answer from Deep Thought him/her/it's self.
Choosing Libertarian is mostly a question of fusing both sides of the political wings into one. Keeping the general liberal social attitudes of the left with the self-defense and financial responsibilities from the Right. Conspicuously absent is such things as obvious save-the-gay-baby-whales-hippy-granola boondoggles from the left and the right's pandering to theocratic christers.
frankly I got tired of watching both parties try to morph into each other every election depending on the mood of the day.
Fiscal conservatives I can deal with Government should be accountable on as to the books and stay out of personal matters. Defense, Police, Disaster relief, public safety. These are the business of government.
on the other hand, I don't give a rats ass who sleeps with who in private, likewise I don't like someone else sticking their nose into bedrooms looking for stuff they have no right to. Social Conservatives make me think of guys like Foley, Craig, and Limbaugh. Two faced jerks with a agenda of sleaze.
As to the Left, the hippy stuff just bugs me that all. I don't like drum circles nuff said.
Government should stay the hell out of area of Doubt and Uncertainty. That is what most of politic is so there.
Ninjas beat The Tick in a fight. Arthur unavailable for comment. Wikipedia Entry alleged tainted by Ninja employees. 'SPOOOOON' catch phrase reportedly up for sale on Ebay.
I would say that his commentary is the original and theirs was the commentary of his commercial. His showing it can be construed as posting a rebuttal or comment on his own work.
Has the ultimate originator of the work His only commentary needed was to say something like 'hey look who used my commercial' That would have satisfied the fair use, even if only has title to the clip. His Content was part of the clip. Before or after it's manufacture is fairly moot. Viacom's use was also fair use.
Likely they had some junior birdman lawyer who should have poured himself a large steaming cup of STFU and not bothered. Viacom pays no attention to who they send notices about. They've sent notices on stuff they don't own before.
If I had post it not being party to the original clip or the commentary then they would have grounds. But then I didn't. However I now can as I have commented on it and can repost my comment and the clips in context. Because thats Journalism. For further details note Slashdot's comment on user comments and my own URL. (BTW, I am not going to repost this)
Winding up in the USA would be bad. Just think if his Mom was Brittany Spears or Paris Hilton? Or worst still some wacked out Texas Christers or some spawn of Fred Phelps. Hate to see his family life, He'd be all serene and enlightened and they would be waving signs about God hates >>>>>
Or Europe where he would be too busy talking about Art in the Cafe to change the world.
Last time I lived there I paid $850 for a one bedroom in Mountain View with a back yard. And that was right at the height of the tech boom in 1999.
Walmart isn't a employee friendly company. The reason their employees go on welfare is because they can't get full time work. walmart doesn't want have to pay benefits so there are few full timers.
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there talking about new life growing from the peanut butter... not mold also forgotten is that peanut butter is ground cells of seeds of the peanut plant. So every time you eat peanut butter your eating stem cells. I wonder if creationists want to overturn Roe vs Wade to save unborn peanuts.
/ it cannot be help that this is going so far off the topic. It's just too damn funny.
Happy to kick it all day long. Having interviewed bozos with PH.d and Masters who know only theory and what others have written. Who couldn't do a simple install with out a couple of Dummies books. And then theres you who can't seem to understand simple English.
A piece of skin off a dead goat does not grant omniscient in all things technical quite the contrary. I do not bow to those who have feasted on the pablum buffet of academia and now stride out into the world with their right and wrong ways to do thing. Wisdom is earned, books are merely read. Still, I am sad I missed that class on Operating Systems of the 1940s. Hope you keep your notes I would love to read them.
Nevertheless beancounters are stupid (also Beancounters are not accountants), they know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
Beancounters who try to impose their metrics are stupid, as they really don't understand what to measure. Any worker should understand their job enough to put together metrics that demonstrate their value. In the original post the beancounter went about things the right way, ask the admin how they would measure their job. If you've ever watched South Park you may have seen the seemingly inept cop who somehow seems to keep order. As demonstrated in one episode when he was removed from office. Chaos ensued and was stabilized by his return.
When a IT dept is feeling underfunded they merely threaten to quit. The reaction is akin to a three year old being told mommy is leaving. Good IT people are worth their cost, and most are not so greedy. They stay because they want to not because of the money. Beancounter bosses tend to pay for this sort of thing later as nobody wants to work for them when word gets around. Soon they have ex-MickyD employees running the Desktop support and the smell of French Fries just won't leave the server room.
Has was stated earlier, You can not derive a metric for a negative event. You can only measure a sysadmin's stability factor in terms of (well) stability. Other metrics could be created by how long new services appear after they are requested, but there is no way to gauge the factors relating to them.
Management:
We would like to replace Oracle with MySQL how long is it going to take?
All our servers are running Solaris 8, the current version is Solaris 10, please upgrade asap.
We want to move off linux and on to HP-UX before next month.
As to the opinions of others....
Hi, welcome to IT you must be new. Per hour performance metrics is about the stupidest thing I have heard. We are not factory workers we are information workers. One problem can generate 2000 helpdesk requests in 10 minutes and take less then that to fix. I am not going to write out two thousand emails to tell everybody that we had a fiber cut from the ISP and our mail server will be down. Sounds like you've been reading the latest management fad like Sigma 7 or some other such tripe.
Actually thats not quite how it works. If the folks in accounting (non-beancounters) usually call up and ask if there is a problem and you give them a update on whats up and they go back to what ever they where doing. If the dept needs more money next time around they just explain what its for in a meeting. If it's not ludicrous then the usually get it. If the manager gets the numbers wrong then that manager has to fix it some way. A good manager will pad it and use Departmental luncheons which tend to eat up the slack.
I remember an old joke about a furnace repairman coming to a home and after looking at the furnace for about a minute and a half, listening to the rumbles and gurgles. He takes his hammer out and at once precise place he hits the furnace. The furnace starts up and runs fine as if it was brand new.
The bill was $200.
The homeowner asks why so much when all he did was hit it once with a hammer?
The repairman takes back the bill, and itemizes the bill still totaling $200.
Cost of hammering, $1
Knowing where to Hammer $199
Any idiot can muck about on a UNIX box, I worked at one Fortune 500 company where everybody in the dept had Double E's. Still their main Solaris server crashed ever 3-5 hours daily and had been for months.
Took me a week to unscrew it and put everything back in order.
Me, I am high school dropout with no GED and some non-technical college courses. Still most of what I was doing was letting them do their work and not have to bother about broken systems. My value was on par with theirs as it was time they didn't lose on their work.
Nevertheless beancounters are stupid (also Beancounters are not accountants), they know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. If you really want to send their head swirling take the entire labor budget for each dept expressed as an hourly unit. Every time you work for a dept internally charge the company that much for each hour you work on a project or ticket for them or better still your company and tell them thats how much it costs. Without Sysadmins nobody does anything but fight technical fires and gets no work done.
Likely this joker found out that Auto Mechanics have a book to calculate how much to charge for each service and repair with details on how long each job should take. This doesn't work because Sysadmins are closer to being chefs or doctors then low end auto mechanics.
Even so, people who own Jaguars, Ferrari, and Maserati don't take them to Jiffy Lube.
If they complain tell them the story about about that hammer. (or better yet use on on them)
Information (panties) wants to be free, those clever teen velvet monkeys are everywhere. Mostly though I keep thinking of a line from the Movie Akira (the English version) "If humans think something is possible, eventually they find a way to do it, like it's instinctual." (I am not going to Google the exact wording but the upshot is the same. A motivated kid is impossible to stop.
And it would have works except for those damn kids.
My late father was the finace minister for the pervious administration in Nigeria, in his weill he bequitehd me the income from meany open sourse licenses however since the new government crackdown we have had difficulites in tranparting themo out of th country. A reputable frind who can transport them out of the country for me needs a small advance to pay for expenses once we have these open sources license on the open market we can realize great proifit.
I have a limited introductory offer for any software you want at a low low rate per seat. Comes with Complemetary Viagra from te late presidents presonal stores.
Please send to my paypal account darl.mcbride@sco.com
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I resemble that remark. Also the new Master (John Simm) is clean shaven.
Jebus has a beard so saying nasty things about men with beard makes (Bearded) Baby Jebus cry!
I had the same sort of issue a few months back, bad USB port on an HP (Which they are famous for) and I didn't want some assclown to poke though my stuff. I just dup'ed it then did a wipe and put a clean vanilla install of XP on it. Didn't even activate it or install drivers. Ran the OS install then packed it up for shipping.
These people just are not smart at all. If you have no power and no screen they still want to know what OS is on it even if it won't boot. They might as well be robots and you should treat them as such.
And to the original poster of the article Tikka most of all your stupid for thinking that this wouldn't happen. Your an arrogant clueless fool.
Thats the only way to properly cook a hamburger.
unless YOUR THE GUY FROM THE HAMBURGER TRAIN.....
For safety sake, Only Coke is allowed in the control room since 1979. Of course this could just be propaganda from the Coca Cola Corporation.
Referring to the SNL skit from when they were still funny. Tried to find the video online sorry.
This act is contrary to everything that makes America who it is. At least they had the marginally good sense to put a sunset on it. I think they knew it would be kicked out at some point anyway. Good riddance. Patriot Act supporters are whats wrong in America.
Second, there's a greater trend in the geek population away from the sort of religious belief. Few geeks have the religious motivation to be against abortion and gay marriage, the two social rallying flags of social conservatives today in America. Agreed as is the rallying flags for the Left as well. Both tend toward standing for what the other is against not out of choice but more toward resembling team colors. Reminds me of a Circle Jerks lyric 'they hate us, we hate them....' Neither side is acting rationally. I wonder how many people on both sides know not only what their side stands for but the other side does as well. How many people who call themselves Libertarians make their choice because both sides are unacceptable when taken as a whole. I confess I don't embrace it 100% or anything for that matter. I tend Left as I've always done. I just don't play the Zombie. So, that pretty much only leaves the economic axis to worry about to differentiate the remaining geek populace into either liberals or libertarians. This is why this Slashdot poll did not surprise me in the least. While there was no populist/authoritarian option, conservative was the least picked choice of the mainstream political beliefs, and liberal and libertarian were the top two.
So, then the question fundamentally comes down to, "What do you fear the most?"
- An inefficient government running roughshod over you (taxation, interference in property rights, tyranny of the majority, etc).
- Powerful, unaccountable private entities running roughshod over you (monopolies, externalities, inequity of power, etc).
Of course, this is a bit of an oversimplification (as is the notion that most people fit into these little political boxes), but it mostly suffices. I find that most libertarian and most liberal points of view come down to concerns that their favorite bogeyman will ruin everything if left unchecked and powerless. More nuanced views come from realizing that they both are pretty bad and that you have to make a choice how to balance them (even if you tend to throw the balance almost entirely one way or the other). The crazy ideologues you see here on Slashdot and elsewhere are the people who seem to never acknowledge that the other side's feared enemy is a problem too. I don't thing it's all about economics, the choice for political leaders and most other tend to follow a spectrum from Moron to Crook. [Lifted that from a Jim Butcher/Dresden Files novel] Beyond that my faith in this system of government is fairly suck away. Still nothing has presented is self as a better alternative yet. So I will Still Vote still participate still try because being apathetic is a worse sin then anything a politician could do.DENNIS: [Monty Python & the Holy Grail]
I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week,...
[also choice bits which are definitive of the state of politics today; ]
Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away
Unincluded things do not mean forbidden. Welfare falls under disaster relief in my book. Loss of family (Orphans etc) ability to work, financial predators (bad banks) those are public welfare issues I agree with that thing about 'promote the general welfare.....' it does work for me.
If we have a social contract then fine, lets spell it out concisely, and I do support public health along the lines of the UK/Canada etc. I have been uninsured lots of times. It's overdue in the US. nuff said
Vroomfondle: We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty.
Douglas Adams was right. This question is degenerating into the same sort of scenario as Vroomfondle and Majikthise had with Deep Thought.
Then here is your answer from Deep Thought him/her/it's self.
Choosing Libertarian is mostly a question of fusing both sides of the political wings into one. Keeping the general liberal social attitudes of the left with the self-defense and financial responsibilities from the Right. Conspicuously absent is such things as obvious save-the-gay-baby-whales-hippy-granola boondoggles from the left and the right's pandering to theocratic christers.
frankly I got tired of watching both parties try to morph into each other every election depending on the mood of the day.
Fiscal conservatives I can deal with Government should be accountable on as to the books and stay out of personal matters. Defense, Police, Disaster relief, public safety. These are the business of government.
on the other hand, I don't give a rats ass who sleeps with who in private, likewise I don't like someone else sticking their nose into bedrooms looking for stuff they have no right to. Social Conservatives make me think of guys like Foley, Craig, and Limbaugh. Two faced jerks with a agenda of sleaze.
As to the Left, the hippy stuff just bugs me that all. I don't like drum circles nuff said.
Government should stay the hell out of area of Doubt and Uncertainty. That is what most of politic is so there.
Ninjas beat The Tick in a fight. Arthur unavailable for comment. Wikipedia Entry alleged tainted by Ninja employees. 'SPOOOOON' catch phrase reportedly up for sale on Ebay.
This is Barry (the Tick) reporting.
I would say that his commentary is the original and theirs was the commentary of his commercial. His showing it can be construed as posting a rebuttal or comment on his own work.
Has the ultimate originator of the work His only commentary needed was to say something like 'hey look who used my commercial' That would have satisfied the fair use, even if only has title to the clip. His Content was part of the clip. Before or after it's manufacture is fairly moot. Viacom's use was also fair use.
Likely they had some junior birdman lawyer who should have poured himself a large steaming cup of STFU and not bothered. Viacom pays no attention to who they send notices about. They've sent notices on stuff they don't own before.
If I had post it not being party to the original clip or the commentary then they would have grounds. But then I didn't. However I now can as I have commented on it and can repost my comment and the clips in context. Because thats Journalism. For further details note Slashdot's comment on user comments and my own URL. (BTW, I am not going to repost this)
Winding up in the USA would be bad. Just think if his Mom was Brittany Spears or Paris Hilton? Or worst still some wacked out Texas Christers or some spawn of Fred Phelps. Hate to see his family life, He'd be all serene and enlightened and they would be waving signs about God hates >>>>>
Or Europe where he would be too busy talking about Art in the Cafe to change the world.
ECT (Electro Convulsive Therapy) aside from the sudden increase in pay has a few other positive side effect like those nice pointy hair spikes.
Now ZEN, that was a computer.
Last time I lived there I paid $850 for a one bedroom in Mountain View with a back yard. And that was right at the height of the tech boom in 1999.
Walmart isn't a employee friendly company. The reason their employees go on welfare is because they can't get full time work. walmart doesn't want have to pay benefits so there are few full timers.
/ it cannot be help that this is going so far off the topic. It's just too damn funny.
Hmm, thats true lets see now.
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launch gimp, batch job import, crop
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mail "my vacation photos" all
/ tip of the hat to the BOFH
Happy to kick it all day long. Having interviewed bozos with PH.d and Masters who know only theory and what others have written. Who couldn't do a simple install with out a couple of Dummies books. And then theres you who can't seem to understand simple English.
A piece of skin off a dead goat does not grant omniscient in all things technical quite the contrary. I do not bow to those who have feasted on the pablum buffet of academia and now stride out into the world with their right and wrong ways to do thing. Wisdom is earned, books are merely read. Still, I am sad I missed that class on Operating Systems of the 1940s. Hope you keep your notes I would love to read them.
Ninjas
Face it its an excellent way to deal with all sorts of troublesome issues. If you don't believe me go on Youtube and ask a Ninja.
When a IT dept is feeling underfunded they merely threaten to quit. The reaction is akin to a three year old being told mommy is leaving. Good IT people are worth their cost, and most are not so greedy. They stay because they want to not because of the money. Beancounter bosses tend to pay for this sort of thing later as nobody wants to work for them when word gets around. Soon they have ex-MickyD employees running the Desktop support and the smell of French Fries just won't leave the server room.
Has was stated earlier, You can not derive a metric for a negative event. You can only measure a sysadmin's stability factor in terms of (well) stability. Other metrics could be created by how long new services appear after they are requested, but there is no way to gauge the factors relating to them.
Management:
We would like to replace Oracle with MySQL how long is it going to take?
All our servers are running Solaris 8, the current version is Solaris 10, please upgrade asap.
We want to move off linux and on to HP-UX before next month.
As to the opinions of others....
Hi, welcome to IT you must be new. Per hour performance metrics is about the stupidest thing I have heard. We are not factory workers we are information workers. One problem can generate 2000 helpdesk requests in 10 minutes and take less then that to fix. I am not going to write out two thousand emails to tell everybody that we had a fiber cut from the ISP and our mail server will be down. Sounds like you've been reading the latest management fad like Sigma 7 or some other such tripe.
Actually thats not quite how it works. If the folks in accounting (non-beancounters) usually call up and ask if there is a problem and you give them a update on whats up and they go back to what ever they where doing. If the dept needs more money next time around they just explain what its for in a meeting. If it's not ludicrous then the usually get it. If the manager gets the numbers wrong then that manager has to fix it some way. A good manager will pad it and use Departmental luncheons which tend to eat up the slack.
I remember an old joke about a furnace repairman coming to a home and after looking at the furnace for about a minute and a half, listening to the rumbles and gurgles. He takes his hammer out and at once precise place he hits the furnace. The furnace starts up and runs fine as if it was brand new.
The bill was $200.
The homeowner asks why so much when all he did was hit it once with a hammer?
The repairman takes back the bill, and itemizes the bill still totaling $200.
Cost of hammering, $1
Knowing where to Hammer $199
Any idiot can muck about on a UNIX box, I worked at one Fortune 500 company where everybody in the dept had Double E's. Still their main Solaris server crashed ever 3-5 hours daily and had been for months.
Took me a week to unscrew it and put everything back in order.
Me, I am high school dropout with no GED and some non-technical college courses. Still most of what I was doing was letting them do their work and not have to bother about broken systems. My value was on par with theirs as it was time they didn't lose on their work.
Nevertheless beancounters are stupid (also Beancounters are not accountants), they know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. If you really want to send their head swirling take the entire labor budget for each dept expressed as an hourly unit. Every time you work for a dept internally charge the company that much for each hour you work on a project or ticket for them or better still your company and tell them thats how much it costs. Without Sysadmins nobody does anything but fight technical fires and gets no work done.
Likely this joker found out that Auto Mechanics have a book to calculate how much to charge for each service and repair with details on how long each job should take. This doesn't work because Sysadmins are closer to being chefs or doctors then low end auto mechanics.
Even so, people who own Jaguars, Ferrari, and Maserati don't take them to Jiffy Lube.
If they complain tell them the story about about that hammer. (or better yet use on on them)
Information (panties) wants to be free, those clever teen velvet monkeys are everywhere. Mostly though I keep thinking of a line from the Movie Akira (the English version) "If humans think something is possible, eventually they find a way to do it, like it's instinctual." (I am not going to Google the exact wording but the upshot is the same. A motivated kid is impossible to stop.
And it would have works except for those damn kids.
Dear Friend,
My late father was the finace minister for the pervious administration in Nigeria, in his weill he bequitehd me the income from meany open sourse licenses however since the new government crackdown we have had difficulites in tranparting themo out of th country. A reputable frind who can transport them out of the country for me needs a small advance to pay for expenses once we have these open sources license on the open market we can realize great proifit.
I have a limited introductory offer for any software you want at a low low rate per seat. Comes with Complemetary Viagra from te late presidents presonal stores.
Please send to my paypal account darl.mcbride@sco.com
And you think this is a bad thing? Making inept bloggers disappear should be counted as a public service.