That's hardly new (or game-related in itself). Maybe people expected it would be otherwise for the game industry but that's really how it is for every industry in living in a capitalist model like ours.
movies, food, textiles, alcohol, books.... you name 'em.
The capitalist model encourages that: the richer you get, the easier it is to take advantage over your weaker opponents because you can gradually make better deals, lower prices. With a good plan, you end up spending less and earning more.
Gaming is just an industry like any other and independent studios will most of timee produce genuinely original products because in the end, that's their only way to make a profit (or be bought for lots of $$$). Big studios, will concentrate more on tried & true tactics. If they find that a particular game has potential, they try to buy the independent studio then make a franchise with the game or they create a spinoff title to compete with the independent studio but they rarely create original products out of thin air. Our favorite blockhead, microsoft, being the best example of "try to buy" then "make spinoff" if they can't buy.
LOL.. so true..i didnt even realized that. Did it ever happen to you that you think about something and yet write something completely different ? When i made my first comment, i had in mind to use the american format. yet it seems my brain wouldn't let me write anything else but the format im used to. Even while i was reviewing it (i did!) before posting i did not see it.
im my defense i will say that im french, our date format is dd/mm/yyyy. im not really aware of the date formats used elsewhere. I was pretty sure someone would point that the date format is incorrect because that's not the one you guys use. but the point is really that the article is really old. or i should say, after re-reading it, is a re-hash of what's was written last thursday.
come on, i mean...come on... i can understand that in the world you cant always be the first but showing this article that's 4 days old is making slashdot look like a retard.
which you can prove by looking at what fark.com (http://www.fark.com/ published last thursday (30/04/06). (looking at the date on the CNN article is also a proof).
I'm sorry GypC if I seem to be upsetting you. Its not that I don't see what you're trying to point out. I think killing the rape victim is a very bad thing and i know that im my culture, lots of things that happens in the world violate human rights we take for granted on this side of the Atlantic.
But the fact that I think its wrong doesn't give me any right to tell them how to rule their country. No matter how wrong or cruel we may see it, this is how these people live and its not our place to tell them how they should live in their own country.
If you turn the table around, what if they came and said we're violating their land and health by bringing our McDonalds in their country. Or what if they came and said that nature defects because we openly support gay & lesbian people by allowing same sex marriage ? Or that we are depravated barbarians for doing this or that ?
I think we would not accept such affirmations as openly and easily as we criticize them on how they live in their own country.
Anyway, from the various answers to my post i can see not a ton of people shares my point of view and thats perfectly fine, I just pointed out that I refuse to call them barbarians for what they do even if i disagree because there's thousands of years of history that forged their culture that we do not know about.
Hmm... well. if there was such a case, hoping there is not, then id disagree because then that's imposing their culture on other country.
but if we take that example in retrospect and try to apply it to the current topic, I dont see how it fits in this context. Muslims dont try to impose their way of life on us. Putting Osama aside here, the muslim as a civilization dont care so much about us so long as we let them be. (Not saying they agree with everything we do either)
Well, first, i have to admit that the rape & hang thing does disgust me. if i was the president, one the rule id probably establish is that muslims living in my country must abide by my laws, which involve not killing the rape victim (but more likely the rapist itself).
by the way, there is an indian community feeding off their dead people. I mean, they dont eat only that but its part of the "accepted" stuff. There's actually quite a religious ceremony around it because they believe that by eating the flesh it empowers their soul and allows them to be in a higher unity with their god and the dead.
And to answer your question, I'll answer the same thing, while i dont agree with cannibalism, if this is how they live...this is how they live. In your example, it could be part of a ritual where if you don't do it, it is your neighbor who will eat you.
If at any point in their life they feel our way of life is better, then they do like lots of people did and come on this side of the beach and join us.
I've repeated myself a lot in my past posts on this topic.
What I promote is respect & tolerance, nothing else.
I don't appreciate other country/people judging us and how we live because they're not in our shoes. I don't judge other cultures and I hope they have enough tolerance to not judge us either.
If jew gassing was endorsed by all germans as a way of life for x reason and was part of their customs, then, sadly, i wouldnt interfere, even if by my book thats totally unacceptable.
however, jew extermination was the resulting action of a single man gone into madness. I 100% condone that action since it is completely not respecting the fact that jew are civilised people with their own customs.
If Hitler would have had respect for that, he might have just deported them to austria or wherever.
>>Can you appreciate how morally debased your line of thinking is now?
I don't really like that line of yours tho
You seem to think i am some kind of amoral person. but i can assure you i am not that way. But i do value respect & tolerance.
and really, i fail to see your point with the jew stuff because you are mixing one man's action pretending to represent the people with the actual people. Would you say Osama bin laden is a fair choice to represent the muslims as a whole ?
what i am saying is that we cannot judge how they live because we do not live how they live. If you go back to my first post, I said that human rights are relative. Here in the U.S. (or canada for me) we know that killing someone is illegal, no matter what. you get caught, you go in prison, you might even suffer death penalty. But in some countries, killing someone is a legitimate action, it is in fact, their *right* to do it (depending on the reason).
If you go back in the 13th century (or so) we were witch haunting and burning alive anyone who was even slightly suspected of "witch crafting". Those were not muslims, those were christians, our ancestors. Of course, time have changed. but has it ? really ? Aren't we still judging the people not living by our standards as bad people. Except that this time, since we're "civilized" we dont burn them.
Did you know that in china, they used to close downs all the shops & schools and ask everyone to come to the "central square" for a public execution of the criminals ? We, as occidentals, see that as a bad thing and yet, in the "asian" world it was fairly common and accepted that if you did a crime, you would suffer the consequences. I would certainly see some kind of beneficial justice in that. Here, we release a criminal sentenced for 10 years after only 3 years on parole because the prisons are full. Next thing you know, the criminal is caught again for murder or rape or a heist or...whatever. Which system is best ?
It all depends on the values and really the bottom line of what i am saying is that we cannot judge other countries's values because we all have different values and differents reasons for supporting those values. What seems wrong to them is totally right for us and inversely, what is wrong to us to completely justified for them.
Live and let live my friend. I certainly respect and uphold human rights as much as i can but you wont find me advertise my way of life in other countries to pretend that my way is better.
Well, there's a margin between accepting their way of life and accepting religious fanatism.
I openly disagree with *any* kind of fanatism toward religion - especially when that fanatism leads to death in some way. After all, no prophet (Jesus, Muhammad for instance) nor any god wished for death. So anyone *enlightened* enough to think he's doing this or that in the name of the great jesus or allah or bouddah or...whoever is either nuts or just dirtying the name of deity in question.
You're certainly allowed to think they should have x or y freedoms and they can certainly think we're infidels because we're all a bunch of capitalist bastards and infidels!!!
Lets not mix apples and oranges here. On one hand we got the muslims and their customs which we disagree with some On the other hand, we got Al Quaeda, an extremist group taking dramatic measures
A work with a lot of muslims around me. I asked a lot of questions to understand and trust me, Al Quaeda does not represent the muslims. Most muslims do not wish for anything else than peace. In fact, they wish for the same things we wish for : to be able to live the way they do because this is how they live.
We've received planes on our heads, and by responding we're just as bad as they were. I know its a very pacifistic kind of thinking but im not going to start judging the whole race just because a group of extremists/fanatics thought it was justified to take radical actions.
What I'm trying to promote is tolerance, acceptance and respect. No one on this planet can say that he/she has THE perfect way of life or THE perfect religion or THE perfect political system, no one, because each way of life is customized and evolves to promote the way things are done where the person lives. So obviously, I can't go tell the chinese how to rule their country because im not a chinese. Nor can I go to iraq and start telling them that hanging rape victims is intolerable, even if everything in me says its wrong.
I don't particularly appreciate them sending planes on our towers or bombing trains and exploding metro lanes because it displays a complete lack of tolerance & respect, which I are rules I try to live by everyday.
Well...you see, I have to make round corners because this topic is so wide it would take 10k words to scratch the surface.
The bottom line of my post is that muslims are peaceful, the rest is a chain of reaction provoked by 9-11.
I think that one mistake we make, as occidentals, is judgind them by our own rules. but since we live in a different world than them, since we live in a different culture, with different values...different moralities we can't really be objective about right or wrong regarding how they live. Of course, I think hanging a rape victim because it dishonors the family is a crime, but in a country were honor as actually less value than money, who am i to judge what honor is worth.
How does one know that what they're doing is fundamentaly wrong? You can't judge a man if you havent walked a mile in his shoes.
The sharia was created after muhammad the same way that here, religious documents were created after the christ's death and yet hold no less value than the bible itself.
This is something I read from omninerd lately and I find it very informative, it really helps taking a step back and *trying* to be objective about it.
Also, human rights is a very subjective thing. it varies from country to country. and yes, in some country, by our standards there are little to no human rights, but again, who are we to judge whether this is good or bad. They've lived this way for centuries and accept it. Here, we fought back for our rights and look where its brought us: increased violence, corruption and jerry springer. So again, who are we to judge. How do we know our way is the right way ?
I don't approve all things done in the muslim world but I certainly cannot go and tell them what they do is wrong because i have absolutely no clue what brought them into living this way in the first place.
Hum, that's not too good, if this proves to be really effective then the media and the mass won't be too happy to find out that games can be good for your health. I wonder what Jack Johnson would think of this:)
I've been meaning to build the mythtv/ubuntu combo like the article says but because im a windows fart, its taking me a lot of time to simply build the box and understand it enough to fine tune it.
So what i did in the meanwhile is installing my hauppauge 350 on my own PC, a winxp box, with GB_PVR) http://www.gbpvr.com/. Its free, its windows-based (.net) and it works great. As far as i understand from it, its the closest thing to mythTv on the win platform.
in fact, it work so nicely that i dont even feel the rush of building my ubuntu pvr.
Basically, small PC, small DB, then get your stickers out, put a sticker on each book to be classified, on the sticker, write info such as Row and Column, enter it in the DB and place the book at the right place.
I didnt know that but it comes only as a small surprise since we can't seriously expect any brand of windows to run something as technologically advanced as Cell.
360 is like an agent in the matrix, its strong but because it is based on rules, it cannot ever be as fast or as strong as the PS3 can be..... now please my nerd rating up 5 points for making an analogy with the matrix:)
>> As idealistic as it sounds, I want a game with a level playing field. It's a great game, especially leveling 0-60 and at AUS$20 a month, I want a fair game for the time I put in.
it is also my other point of view on the topic, I value WoW first for the great game that it is and its true that its not fun to see all those 13 year old kiddos with full gear that they "bought".
The player in me wants the end (or at least, the moderation) of farming but the human in me understands why farmers do what they do
I had mentionned they live in difficult situation because, yes, they do have a roof but knowing that most of them are being paid.25c an hour wiht 12hours shift, I wouldnt describe that as a good situation.
Apparently now they make $250 US per month, how many of us can make a living out of that?.. and it used to be $75!
and their offices ain't exactly penthouse either. Its more like a 4x4 desk, in a dark and humid place, with poor lighting.
Besides, with overpopulation in china, im sure a young person would take just about any job as long as it gets them money, its better than nothing.
I know that in the WoW world, farming isnt so good, but the complaining about the farmers ain't part of the solution, trying to reach somekind of agreement with gold farming companies would be more the way to go (for instance).
Yeah, I see your point, I'm a wow player too. I've actually met farmers only a few times maybe that's why I don't share your PoV.
From the way I see it, they don't do anything that I can't do myself. Can we reprehend them from doing something the game allows them to do ?
Of course its annoying when you meet one because they literally camp the place. so you're confronted to either stay and compete for the grind and leave and find another place.
For the few times it happened to me, you know what we did ? we brought a few guildies and camped the place too. The place quickly became not profitable for the farmer so he went elsewhere, probably came back later but it did leave us some room too.
As long as they're not actually hacking the game to steal kills/items from me, its can only be called competition, as annoying as they get, its no different than we do (and tolerate) in real life.
Don't think I just approve what they do, I believe blizz could possibly tweak the game, the farmers farm a little less and the gamers tolerate a little more. This is not a simple problem and there's no simple solution.
Kudos for your comment. its more because of people like "platejr" (rather than gold farmers) that we end up with gas at 1$/L (CAD price) and bigmacs at 5$
But I think that a little education can help. Whenever I sell my crap on AH (flowers, leathers, greens..etc) I always sell under market price, just to counter the "PlateJr" effect. If every WoW'ers would do that, we'd realize we can be pretty self sufficient. After all, platejr and the likes still buy our crap, who cares if they re-sell 4x higher, I aint gonna buy it. You only gotta know what the item is worth, any price beyond its value, you dont buy it. At some point they will be forced to lower gradually their prices or get stuck with their inventory.
The only reason they're successful is because we're walking in their trap.
Tsk, behind gold farming, there's a lot more than gold. Why do they do it ? Why do we buy gold if we hate that ? Why do we hate that ?
Its basically putting a human side on gold farming. Most of these chinese farmers folks live in the worst kind of situation and they do what they do for a living. You gotta do what you gotta do to put bread on the table right ?
Most situations in the world would be quickly solved if we'd at least try to get a good understanding. Personally, ever since I've started thinking about the why of gold farming, I've found myself struggling between grinding my ass (and keep my pride?) or just buy gold (and play more!) to do my part to help these guys.
So to answer your question, I will be watching it....
Slashdot Mirror
That's hardly new (or game-related in itself). Maybe people expected it would be otherwise for the game industry but that's really how it is for every industry in living in a capitalist model like ours.
movies, food, textiles, alcohol, books.... you name 'em.
The capitalist model encourages that: the richer you get, the easier it is to take advantage over your weaker opponents because you can gradually make better deals, lower prices. With a good plan, you end up spending less and earning more.
Gaming is just an industry like any other and independent studios will most of timee produce genuinely original products because in the end, that's their only way to make a profit (or be bought for lots of $$$). Big studios, will concentrate more on tried & true tactics. If they find that a particular game has potential, they try to buy the independent studio then make a franchise with the game or they create a spinoff title to compete with the independent studio but they rarely create original products out of thin air. Our favorite blockhead, microsoft, being the best example of "try to buy" then "make spinoff" if they can't buy.
good one :) ... board meeting... lol... im still laughing, man must i be tired!
well.... point well taken too :) i guess i should have taken my coffee before posting today heh ?
We do right a lot of "old news" typeof posts, i guess that wasnt adding anything "new" to it.
but the fact remains that, as a news site, slashdot should present news
LOL .. so true..i didnt even realized that. Did it ever happen to you that you think about something and yet write something completely different ? When i made my first comment, i had in mind to use the american format. yet it seems my brain wouldn't let me write anything else but the format im used to. Even while i was reviewing it (i did!) before posting i did not see it.
:)
haha, point well taken
im my defense i will say that im french, our date format is dd/mm/yyyy. im not really aware of the date formats used elsewhere. I was pretty sure someone would point that the date format is incorrect because that's not the one you guys use. but the point is really that the article is really old. or i should say, after re-reading it, is a re-hash of what's was written last thursday.
come on, i mean...come on... i can understand that in the world you cant always be the first but showing this article that's 4 days old is making slashdot look like a retard.
. ap/index.html/
This topic was actually covered last thursday on CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/03/30/prayer.study
which you can prove by looking at what fark.com (http://www.fark.com/ published last thursday (30/04/06). (looking at the date on the CNN article is also a proof).
I was going to post just that. What kind of FA is this, is /. becoming a big gossip machine?
:)
I couldnt possibly care less that Apple celebrates their 30th with a big news or not. When they DO announce something, then we can talk.
Speculation is not why i come on this site
I'm sorry GypC if I seem to be upsetting you. Its not that I don't see what you're trying to point out. I think killing the rape victim is a very bad thing and i know that im my culture, lots of things that happens in the world violate human rights we take for granted on this side of the Atlantic.
But the fact that I think its wrong doesn't give me any right to tell them how to rule their country. No matter how wrong or cruel we may see it, this is how these people live and its not our place to tell them how they should live in their own country.
If you turn the table around, what if they came and said we're violating their land and health by bringing our McDonalds in their country. Or what if they came and said that nature defects because we openly support gay & lesbian people by allowing same sex marriage ? Or that we are depravated barbarians for doing this or that ?
I think we would not accept such affirmations as openly and easily as we criticize them on how they live in their own country.
Anyway, from the various answers to my post i can see not a ton of people shares my point of view and thats perfectly fine, I just pointed out that I refuse to call them barbarians for what they do even if i disagree because there's thousands of years of history that forged their culture that we do not know about.
Hmm... well. if there was such a case, hoping there is not, then id disagree because then that's imposing their culture on other country.
but if we take that example in retrospect and try to apply it to the current topic, I dont see how it fits in this context. Muslims dont try to impose their way of life on us. Putting Osama aside here, the muslim as a civilization dont care so much about us so long as we let them be. (Not saying they agree with everything we do either)
Well, first, i have to admit that the rape & hang thing does disgust me. if i was the president, one the rule id probably establish is that muslims living in my country must abide by my laws, which involve not killing the rape victim (but more likely the rapist itself).
by the way, there is an indian community feeding off their dead people. I mean, they dont eat only that but its part of the "accepted" stuff. There's actually quite a religious ceremony around it because they believe that by eating the flesh it empowers their soul and allows them to be in a higher unity with their god and the dead.
And to answer your question, I'll answer the same thing, while i dont agree with cannibalism, if this is how they live...this is how they live. In your example, it could be part of a ritual where if you don't do it, it is your neighbor who will eat you.
If at any point in their life they feel our way of life is better, then they do like lots of people did and come on this side of the beach and join us.
I've repeated myself a lot in my past posts on this topic.
What I promote is respect & tolerance, nothing else.
I don't appreciate other country/people judging us and how we live because they're not in our shoes. I don't judge other cultures and I hope they have enough tolerance to not judge us either.
If jew gassing was endorsed by all germans as a way of life for x reason and was part of their customs, then, sadly, i wouldnt interfere, even if by my book thats totally unacceptable.
however, jew extermination was the resulting action of a single man gone into madness. I 100% condone that action since it is completely not respecting the fact that jew are civilised people with their own customs.
If Hitler would have had respect for that, he might have just deported them to austria or wherever.
>>Can you appreciate how morally debased your line of thinking is now?
I don't really like that line of yours tho
You seem to think i am some kind of amoral person. but i can assure you i am not that way. But i do value respect & tolerance.
and really, i fail to see your point with the jew stuff because you are mixing one man's action pretending to represent the people with the actual people. Would you say Osama bin laden is a fair choice to represent the muslims as a whole ?
what i am saying is that we cannot judge how they live because we do not live how they live. If you go back to my first post, I said that human rights are relative. Here in the U.S. (or canada for me) we know that killing someone is illegal, no matter what. you get caught, you go in prison, you might even suffer death penalty. But in some countries, killing someone is a legitimate action, it is in fact, their *right* to do it (depending on the reason).
If you go back in the 13th century (or so) we were witch haunting and burning alive anyone who was even slightly suspected of "witch crafting". Those were not muslims, those were christians, our ancestors. Of course, time have changed. but has it ? really ? Aren't we still judging the people not living by our standards as bad people. Except that this time, since we're "civilized" we dont burn them.
Did you know that in china, they used to close downs all the shops & schools and ask everyone to come to the "central square" for a public execution of the criminals ? We, as occidentals, see that as a bad thing and yet, in the "asian" world it was fairly common and accepted that if you did a crime, you would suffer the consequences. I would certainly see some kind of beneficial justice in that. Here, we release a criminal sentenced for 10 years after only 3 years on parole because the prisons are full. Next thing you know, the criminal is caught again for murder or rape or a heist or...whatever. Which system is best ?
It all depends on the values and really the bottom line of what i am saying is that we cannot judge other countries's values because we all have different values and differents reasons for supporting those values. What seems wrong to them is totally right for us and inversely, what is wrong to us to completely justified for them.
Live and let live my friend. I certainly respect and uphold human rights as much as i can but you wont find me advertise my way of life in other countries to pretend that my way is better.
I am sorry you feel this way, all I am saying is that we shouldnt judge them based on our morals.
After all, isn't it their fundamental right to live how they want to live ?
Well, there's a margin between accepting their way of life and accepting religious fanatism.
I openly disagree with *any* kind of fanatism toward religion - especially when that fanatism leads to death in some way. After all, no prophet (Jesus, Muhammad for instance) nor any god wished for death. So anyone *enlightened* enough to think he's doing this or that in the name of the great jesus or allah or bouddah or...whoever is either nuts or just dirtying the name of deity in question.
You're certainly allowed to think they should have x or y freedoms and they can certainly think we're infidels because we're all a bunch of capitalist bastards and infidels!!!
Lets not mix apples and oranges here.
On one hand we got the muslims and their customs which we disagree with some
On the other hand, we got Al Quaeda, an extremist group taking dramatic measures
A work with a lot of muslims around me. I asked a lot of questions to understand and trust me, Al Quaeda does not represent the muslims. Most muslims do not wish for anything else than peace. In fact, they wish for the same things we wish for : to be able to live the way they do because this is how they live.
We've received planes on our heads, and by responding we're just as bad as they were. I know its a very pacifistic kind of thinking but im not going to start judging the whole race just because a group of extremists/fanatics thought it was justified to take radical actions.
What I'm trying to promote is tolerance, acceptance and respect. No one on this planet can say that he/she has THE perfect way of life or THE perfect religion or THE perfect political system, no one, because each way of life is customized and evolves to promote the way things are done where the person lives. So obviously, I can't go tell the chinese how to rule their country because im not a chinese. Nor can I go to iraq and start telling them that hanging rape victims is intolerable, even if everything in me says its wrong.
I don't particularly appreciate them sending planes on our towers or bombing trains and exploding metro lanes because it displays a complete lack of tolerance & respect, which I are rules I try to live by everyday.
Well...you see, I have to make round corners because this topic is so wide it would take 10k words to scratch the surface.
The bottom line of my post is that muslims are peaceful, the rest is a chain of reaction provoked by 9-11.
I think that one mistake we make, as occidentals, is judgind them by our own rules. but since we live in a different world than them, since we live in a different culture, with different values...different moralities we can't really be objective about right or wrong regarding how they live. Of course, I think hanging a rape victim because it dishonors the family is a crime, but in a country were honor as actually less value than money, who am i to judge what honor is worth.
How does one know that what they're doing is fundamentaly wrong? You can't judge a man if you havent walked a mile in his shoes.
The sharia was created after muhammad the same way that here, religious documents were created after the christ's death and yet hold no less value than the bible itself.
This is something I read from omninerd lately and I find it very informative, it really helps taking a step back and *trying* to be objective about it.
http://www.omninerd.com/2005/12/30/articles/45
Also, human rights is a very subjective thing. it varies from country to country. and yes, in some country, by our standards there are little to no human rights, but again, who are we to judge whether this is good or bad. They've lived this way for centuries and accept it. Here, we fought back for our rights and look where its brought us: increased violence, corruption and jerry springer. So again, who are we to judge. How do we know our way is the right way ?
I don't approve all things done in the muslim world but I certainly cannot go and tell them what they do is wrong because i have absolutely no clue what brought them into living this way in the first place.
That's my 2c about it.
LOL, yes, Jack Thompson is the one i meant :D
Hum, that's not too good, if this proves to be really effective then the media and the mass won't be too happy to find out that games can be good for your health. I wonder what Jack Johnson would think of this :)
I've been meaning to build the mythtv/ubuntu combo like the article says but because im a windows fart, its taking me a lot of time to simply build the box and understand it enough to fine tune it.
So what i did in the meanwhile is installing my hauppauge 350 on my own PC, a winxp box, with GB_PVR) http://www.gbpvr.com/. Its free, its windows-based (.net) and it works great. As far as i understand from it, its the closest thing to mythTv on the win platform.
in fact, it work so nicely that i dont even feel the rush of building my ubuntu pvr.
As silly as it sounds....go to the library.
They have far more books than you'll ever do.
Look at how they've done it and do the same.
Basically, small PC, small DB, then get your stickers out, put a sticker on each book to be classified, on the sticker, write info such as Row and Column, enter it in the DB and place the book at the right place.
I didnt know that but it comes only as a small surprise since we can't seriously expect any brand of windows to run something as technologically advanced as Cell.
.... now please my nerd rating up 5 points for making an analogy with the matrix :)
360 is like an agent in the matrix, its strong but because it is based on rules, it cannot ever be as fast or as strong as the PS3 can be.
Ship with linux huh ?
:-)
Hum... that will make things interesting, knowing that 360 is like...the absolute opposite.
One thing is for sure, hackers wont have too much trouble making linux run on this one
>> As idealistic as it sounds, I want a game with a level playing field. It's a great game, especially leveling 0-60 and at AUS$20 a month, I want a fair game for the time I put in.
it is also my other point of view on the topic, I value WoW first for the great game that it is and its true that its not fun to see all those 13 year old kiddos with full gear that they "bought".
The player in me wants the end (or at least, the moderation) of farming
but
the human in me understands why farmers do what they do
This is the article that originally somewhat changed my mind about gold farming, the people behind, not the actual act.a ming.php
.25c an hour wiht 12hours shift, I wouldnt describe that as a good situation.
.. and it used to be $75!
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/12/08/business/g
I had mentionned they live in difficult situation because, yes, they do have a roof but knowing that most of them are being paid
Apparently now they make $250 US per month, how many of us can make a living out of that?
and their offices ain't exactly penthouse either. Its more like a 4x4 desk, in a dark and humid place, with poor lighting.
Besides, with overpopulation in china, im sure a young person would take just about any job as long as it gets them money, its better than nothing.
I know that in the WoW world, farming isnt so good, but the complaining about the farmers ain't part of the solution, trying to reach somekind of agreement with gold farming companies would be more the way to go (for instance).
Yeah, I see your point, I'm a wow player too. I've actually met farmers only a few times maybe that's why I don't share your PoV.
From the way I see it, they don't do anything that I can't do myself. Can we reprehend them from doing something the game allows them to do ?
Of course its annoying when you meet one because they literally camp the place. so you're confronted to either stay and compete for the grind and leave and find another place.
For the few times it happened to me, you know what we did ? we brought a few guildies and camped the place too. The place quickly became not profitable for the farmer so he went elsewhere, probably came back later but it did leave us some room too.
As long as they're not actually hacking the game to steal kills/items from me, its can only be called competition, as annoying as they get, its no different than we do (and tolerate) in real life.
Don't think I just approve what they do, I believe blizz could possibly tweak the game, the farmers farm a little less and the gamers tolerate a little more. This is not a simple problem and there's no simple solution.
Kudos for your comment. its more because of people like "platejr" (rather than gold farmers) that we end up with gas at 1$/L (CAD price) and bigmacs at 5$
But I think that a little education can help. Whenever I sell my crap on AH (flowers, leathers, greens..etc) I always sell under market price, just to counter the "PlateJr" effect. If every WoW'ers would do that, we'd realize we can be pretty self sufficient. After all, platejr and the likes still buy our crap, who cares if they re-sell 4x higher, I aint gonna buy it. You only gotta know what the item is worth, any price beyond its value, you dont buy it. At some point they will be forced to lower gradually their prices or get stuck with their inventory.
The only reason they're successful is because we're walking in their trap.
Tsk, behind gold farming, there's a lot more than gold. Why do they do it ? Why do we buy gold if we hate that ? Why do we hate that ?
Its basically putting a human side on gold farming. Most of these chinese farmers folks live in the worst kind of situation and they do what they do for a living. You gotta do what you gotta do to put bread on the table right ?
Most situations in the world would be quickly solved if we'd at least try to get a good understanding. Personally, ever since I've started thinking about the why of gold farming, I've found myself struggling between grinding my ass (and keep my pride?) or just buy gold (and play more!) to do my part to help these guys.
So to answer your question, I will be watching it....