Looks to me if you have a problem with this is - don't use "Commodore" and "Commodore 64" to describe your stuff.
"J. Robertson" wrote:
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> Saw this mentioned on amiga.org then went to investigate it for myself. Found this on Tulip's on site (www.tulip.com more direct link:
> Today Tulip Computers NV (Tulip) and Ironstone Partners Ltd. (Ironstone) signed a licence agreement for a partnership, which is a major step in the global re-launch of the Commodore brand name.
The key word here is: "The Commodore Brand Name"
> Tulip will receive a license fee for all Commodore C64 products delivered by Ironstone, installed on all computer brands using the Microsoft or any other operating system and all Commodore 64 branded products.
The Key word here is "Commodore 64 Branded products"
> In addition, Tulip will receive a license fee over the revenue from software downloads, subscriptions and advertising.
So the agreement with ironstone is to collect money every time someone downloads an individual file and/or receives material with the brand names.
> Even today there is still an extensive group of about 6 million loyal Commodore users and enthusiasts around the world. This community is currently spread over hundreds of unofficial websites. The community craves acknowledgement and authenticity from the true Commodore C64 brand.
We crave authenticity and knowledge from Commodore, not the brand name.
> Tulip is the owner of the brand name Commodore. Through this partnership Tulip grants to Ironstone the exclusive rights to exploit the official Commodore C64 web-portal and use of the Commodore 64 brand name.
I like the term "Exploit" there, very appropriate.
> Ironstone and Tulip invite the Commodore community to join the official Commodore C64 web-portal.
I.E. "Join us or we'll sue you for trademark brand infringement."
> Currently there are about 300 commercial websites that use the name Commodore or Commodore 64 without having a license from Tulip. Tulip will not allow unauthorised use of the Commodore brand.
If they aren't 'commercial' it get harder to sue for trademark infringement.
> In this partnership, Ironstone will create the official Commodore C64 games and community portal designed to focus and harness the power of the Commodore C64 user base
Glossary:
Money = Power
> and to efficiently provide the services required by these individuals for a fee.
Specifically, use of the "Commodore" and "Commodore 64" brand name.
> The founders of Ironstone are experienced and successful, in previous similar projects Ironstone achieved a subscriber to pay subscriber conversion rate that was unparalleled in the Internet space.
Searched for Ironstone via Yahoo, they must have been suing others previously under a different name.
> The main objective of the Ironstone official C64 portal is to unite this massive global fan base of passionate enthusiasts.
...who are willing to pay for the "Commodore" and "Commodore 64" brand name
> Through its web portal, Ironstone will market the official C64 emulator
I wonder what the "Official C64" emulator is that they plan to use.
> in various software and hardware formats. The games offered by the Ironstone web-portal will include the famous classic C64 games as well as exciting new games and will also sell its Commodore-branded products through the site.
>
> Tulip will get full access to the estimated 6 million users and will also sell its Commodore branded products through this portal.
Read: Tulip gets everyone's e-mail addresses for targeted marketing.
> Tulip will introduce, the upcoming months, new hardware products under the Commodore brand na
Apple early 1980s, "Let's take this Xerox graphical user interface idea and do it right - we will work our fingers to the bone and make a logical and sensiblle operating system not tied down by all that legacy crap in CP/M or MS-DOS..."
A couple years later - Microsoft, "Man this Xerox GUI stuff is hot shit, let's try to kludge something flashy together quick, before Apples cleans up their code, and make it look like WE are the innovators!"
.
Yep it's been going on for years except Apple has joined Microsoft's 'get it out the door quick' policy in of software (and hardware in some respects) releases and the Open Source movement is now the ones who are striving for "Correct and Proper" movement.
Also MS and Apple can now attest the steady money is in the bug fix^h^h^h^h er... I mean product version updates..
Second point:
Correct and proper can suck you into a perpetual 'planning black hole' and away from a actually getting anything accomplished.
The Cyrix C3 (the processor) is a wannabe 686 without the full instruction set, so you have to do a special step in the install of Linux (I learned that on Mandrake) in order to keep it from running (or should I say locking up) with the 686 version.
I've also read speed is about 60% of PIII, so the ultimate cost is in the speed/performnce.
But for a sub $200 PC (which I got that had the VIA C3, with CD, 128MB, and 20GB HD) it was within my cheapskate price range. (=))
Sacred Knowledge Sacred Wisdom Thought Processes (I like this one) Innovative Expressions (MS would love this name) Owned BST (blood, sweat & tears) Exclusive Expressions Licensed Ideas Idea Rights Possessed Ideas/Thoughs/Innovatiuons Reserved Thoughts Reserved Ideas ThoughtRights IdeaRights
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THE LAST BUG
"But you're out of your mind!" they said with a shrug, "The customer's happy, what's one little bug..."
But he was determined; the others went home. He spread out the program, deserted, alone.
The cleaning men came, the whole room was cluttered with memory dumps, punch cards, "I'm close..." he muttered.
The mumbling got louder, simple deductions, "I've got it! It's right, just change one instruction!"
But it still wasn't perfect, as year followed year. People would comment, "Is that guy still here?"
He died at the console of hunger and thirst; the next day he was buried face-down, nine-edge first.
The last bug in sight, an ant passing by. It saluted his tombstone, and whispered "nice try."
What we need to combat influential money are legitimate represetatives and/or lots of concerned people to make sure that their represntatives are accountable for their actions.
As long as we have FUD in politics and few of us caring about doing something about it, I don't think it's going to change anytime soon. e
Me too I am working on "switching" from Mac. Why? because from what I've seen the new OSX is for the most part Unix anyway, by going to Linux I don't have to pay the $$$$ for shiny hardware and forced upgrades, Sure there is a steep learning curve and there are bugs to be worked out, but if you look at OSX it hasn't been a bed of roses either. (yeah, you can say they are fixing the problems - at $129 a year)
With an x86 box I get more interfacing then apple ever offered (that lack of parallel port sure makes making your own projects tough) even moreso now that serial is gone too.
I really liked the former MacOS it was a very well designed system low hardware needs, logical (everything was contined in one meta file, all the libraries, images, sounds, etc.) had a great core graphics library and internal data format (could even copy and paste object art between two different apps!). But apple deemed it's dead and we move on - ok, but I think I'll move somewhere where companies don't tell me what I should do, or what I don't need anymore.
Thanks to OSX Mac users are now seeing what Windows users have had to deal with for all these years, files files files, text screens of death, cryptic promt commands to fix even more cryptic bugs, more bitmaps and less draw objects. (here's a tip: want to make money on OSX? make an uninstaller!) The only reason OSX is getting such a boost is because of all the porting over of the GNU/Linux programs like Open Office, my/postgreSQL, etc. Sure it has a spiffy front end, but when it all comes down to it you are still running *nix stuff.
That's enough ranting for now. I feel much better.:-)
..an ingenious play on history - showing a bunch of crusaders (or maybe the Spanish Inquisition!) hawling Gutenberg away and smashing his press.
Yep, reproducing works of others is baaaaddd!
.. then later on the afterschool special the FBI busts into little Chrissie's room and smashes her art set and confiscates the paintings she did for her mom. Moral: reproducing those images of Mickey and the Little Mermaid is just plain against the law!{
Yep USSR Should have patented those bricks (IIRC back in the 70s or 80s one American Embassy built in the USSR had Listening Devices in just about everything - including the bricks.)
One of the organizations I know of has a development with an open source policy. But to access the source you have to be 1) a paid up member of the organization, and b) pay the usage fee for the program, then c) pay an extra fee for access to the Source Code.
I had suggested Open Source when they were first considering doing this project. From observation over the years, agencies who do large-scale projects usually fall to the mercy of the developers who many times kept the source then turn around an d re-sell the agencies' software (who paid all the development costs) again to other out of area agencies. (government funds paying for software again and again). So, it is a step better, at least when the developers squeeze out all the profits and leave - the agencies aren't left with unmodifiable code.
With tight budgets non-profit agencies are now looking into the potential licensing revenue of their internal works to other agencies...:-/
For some reason when I saw the finished unit, I thought of the TV show "Convoy"... Maybe you could have it play the M.C. McCall song during startup.:-)
Gotta go, Good Buddy!
Keep the pedal to the metal - and watch out for Ol'Smokey!
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Re:Same comments in code?
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How many ways can someone write comments that describe a common process. Since the reviewer is a non programmer he could be missing the boat here.
I mean, if you are trying to code something by the book (whatever book you had at school that told you how to write an OS) I can expect that a fellow programmer in a different part of the world working on the same problem (educated by the same book) probably would have very similar comments throughout their source listing.
Of course - this adda a new layer to "intelecual property," I am sure Mr. Knuth is running to the patent office right now to lock down your problem solving and commenting processes and syntax structure.
Also how does one verify those comments were in the original SCO stuff (you can't de-compile comments...).:-/ )
We have used macs for over a decade, and yes, they last a whole lot longer, don't crash as much, our seniors (he wasn't kidding) get work done and and all that...
...but with OSX I think it's going downhill, the WYSIWYG niceness of the the MacOS UI is gone and the unix underpinnings mean a lot more work for the IT staff, Apple is more interested nowadays in users making videos and downloading music than getting business applications on the machines - add to that their commitment to be one of the more expensive platforms all make Linux a more viable alternative (the computers and software are cheaper and its 'unix-like' also, so why not cut costs while adding to the IT headaches anyway).
As a non-profit Tech Dude, I can tell you non-profits are almost always under-funded and under staffed and looking at the bottom line. Even if MS were to give us software we still have to buy gawd knows how much hardware to support it, training, and then also add in the domino costs of sub agencies, add to that all the licensing hell that goes along with the cute windows logo. And then you look head to more years of planned obsolecence and associated re-tooling costs that go with all of it.
The thing I myself am advocating for is moving forward to Linux Terminal Server. I envision large scale and low cost in hardware as well as software. Less headaches because you maintain one installation and a bunch of thin clients and more importantly no increase in tech staff needed (cause the state and federal 'powers that be' are clipping program 'administration' costs across the board.)
Now if compilers can take human readable code and correlate, optimise and reconfigure it for more machine oriented code, what is to stop someone from writing a 'machine code interpreter' to take the object and re-work it into a human understandable source.
No - it won't be 'the original,' but it will work as the original and the owner of the object can make any necessary observations and/or corrections and re-compile it (who knows, maybe it will compile tighter?)
I myself have used decompilers on my own works to (thankfully) ressurect projects I had lost source material for. If you think you will *always* have your source code on file for you or your customers, you are living in a dream world.
I agree Dual skilled programmers probably have an in in vertical market application creation/support. To get a coder's brain to wrap around such comples things as familial relationships when it comes to social services databases, or working on accurate useful telemetry data recorders for mechanical operation like cumbustion engines etc. A coder with familiarity in those fields would not only know what to code but also think up ideas for new coding that a straight CRT jocky would not.
Of course if the vertical market is in something like logging or another endangered field of work then it might be tough.
Nice idea but you've got a whole lot of machines to support in the transition, not everone would want to upgrade their 68k Mac, BeBoxen or Amiga to run a nother platform with compliant software, so who would get the programs for the old systems working?
Before you say "just get with the program," think of 3rd world countries non-profit organizations and schools who don't have the money for the new hardware and associated software AND licensing for the related necessary upgrades... ("think of the children cames to mind here...":-)
Besides those scrumtious chewey cords bunnies are also known to like remote control buttons (those soft rubber ones), cardboard boxes, and paperback book covers, newspapers too.
Our rabbit soon learned the computer room was off limits - that's how he learned when no one was noticing he could then make a bee-line right under the computer desk. (especially when guests are present)
Also the best dorrway barrier for bunny assault is a Copmmodore SX-64, standing on it's base it is too heavy to push or paw around and the added handle at the top sufficiently keeps climbing rabbits at bay.
In the rural community I live in California street delivery is uncommon (Post Office does not want to contract out for the long winding and sometimes dirt, mud or snow covered road deliveries). So Most of the rebates that require a street address "no post office boxes" make them a moot point for me and fellow rural consumers.
The second scam is the free internet service thing, also a bust out here, were one would have to call long distance to a larger city to get access to such services (no to mention being a prime candidate for targeted marketing).
So I shop with the pre-rebate price in mind, If I get a rebate, lucky me, but I know I can't count on one.
The paper feed mechanism has taken down more printers then other issues... Most of the others (ink clogs, cleaning the printhead travel bar) are no problem to maintain but when the rubber rollers die you can't get replacements.
The biggest culprit is the bottom feed printers with HPs being the worst of the lot (the epson 1520 comes in second, mine still works but I have to clean dust off the rollers or it cannot grab paper in proper time...).
Of the top paper feeds that I have seen feed problems, the award goes to HP again for the 1100, so bad was the feed theyt offer a free repair kit on-line to insert a better paper thingie (it keeps the paper stack from slipping into the printer)
My favorites for printers are the HP Lasers (have them for years, they don't die). And the Epson 740 (with three interfaces - parallel, Mac Serial, & USB -, great resolution and speed it makes an excellent GP inkjet).
Dot Matrix - Currently I'm using a panasonic though I liked the Star printers too, when I did a lot of Dot Matrix buying. (Okidata was definitely a hit or miss and later Epsons DMs were problematic with plastic breakage).â
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Looks to me if you have a problem with this is - don't use "Commodore" and "Commodore 64" to describe your stuff.
"J. Robertson" wrote:
>
> Saw this mentioned on amiga.org then went to investigate it for myself. Found this on Tulip's on site (www.tulip.com more direct link:
> Today Tulip Computers NV (Tulip) and Ironstone Partners Ltd. (Ironstone) signed a licence agreement for a partnership, which is a major step in the global re-launch of the Commodore brand name.
The key word here is: "The Commodore Brand Name"
> Tulip will receive a license fee for all Commodore C64 products delivered by Ironstone, installed on all computer brands using the Microsoft or any other operating system and all Commodore 64 branded products.
The Key word here is "Commodore 64 Branded products"
> In addition, Tulip will receive a license fee over the revenue from software downloads, subscriptions and advertising.
So the agreement with ironstone is to collect money every time someone downloads an individual file and/or receives material with the brand names.
> Even today there is still an extensive group of about 6 million loyal Commodore users and enthusiasts around the world. This community is currently spread over hundreds of unofficial websites. The community craves acknowledgement and authenticity from the true Commodore C64 brand.
We crave authenticity and knowledge from Commodore, not the brand name.
> Tulip is the owner of the brand name Commodore. Through this partnership Tulip grants to Ironstone the exclusive rights to exploit the official Commodore C64 web-portal and use of the Commodore 64 brand name.
I like the term "Exploit" there, very appropriate.
> Ironstone and Tulip invite the Commodore community to join the official Commodore C64 web-portal.
I.E. "Join us or we'll sue you for trademark brand infringement."
> Currently there are about 300 commercial websites that use the name Commodore or Commodore 64 without having a license from Tulip. Tulip will not allow unauthorised use of the Commodore brand.
If they aren't 'commercial' it get harder to sue for trademark infringement.
> In this partnership, Ironstone will create the official Commodore C64 games and community portal designed to focus and harness the power of the Commodore C64 user base
Glossary:
Money = Power
> and to efficiently provide the services required by these individuals for a fee.
Specifically, use of the "Commodore" and "Commodore 64" brand name.
> The founders of Ironstone are experienced and successful, in previous similar projects Ironstone achieved a subscriber to pay subscriber conversion rate that was unparalleled in the Internet space.
Searched for Ironstone via Yahoo, they must have been suing others previously under a different name.
> The main objective of the Ironstone official C64 portal is to unite this massive global fan base of passionate enthusiasts.
> Through its web portal, Ironstone will market the official C64 emulator
I wonder what the "Official C64" emulator is that they plan to use.
> in various software and hardware formats. The games offered by the Ironstone web-portal will include the famous classic C64 games as well as exciting new games and will also sell its Commodore-branded products through the site.
>
> Tulip will get full access to the estimated 6 million users and will also sell its Commodore branded products through this portal.
Read: Tulip gets everyone's e-mail addresses for targeted marketing.
> Tulip will introduce, the upcoming months, new hardware products under the Commodore brand na
Apple early 1980s, "Let's take this Xerox graphical user interface idea and do it right - we will work our fingers to the bone and make a logical and sensiblle operating system not tied down by all that legacy crap in CP/M or MS-DOS..."
A couple years later - Microsoft, "Man this Xerox GUI stuff is hot shit, let's try to kludge something flashy together quick, before Apples cleans up their code, and make it look like WE are the innovators!"
Yep it's been going on for years except Apple has joined Microsoft's 'get it out the door quick' policy in of software (and hardware in some respects) releases and the Open Source movement is now the ones who are striving for "Correct and Proper" movement.
Also MS and Apple can now attest the steady money is in the bug fix^h^h^h^h er... I mean product version updates. .
Second point:
Correct and proper can suck you into a perpetual 'planning black hole' and away from a actually getting anything accomplished.
The Cyrix C3 (the processor) is a wannabe 686 without the full instruction set, so you have to do a special step in the install of Linux (I learned that on Mandrake) in order to keep it from running (or should I say locking up) with the 686 version.
I've also read speed is about 60% of PIII, so the ultimate cost is in the speed/performnce.
But for a sub $200 PC (which I got that had the VIA C3, with CD, 128MB, and 20GB HD) it was within my cheapskate price range. (=))
When will Hollywood draw the line here!
Who cares about guns, we gotta get those MP3 players off the streets!
Girl (obviously blind or has some repressed hangup), "Ok! but did you bring protrection?"
Nerd Guy, "Oh... um, no... But just a second," *RRRIIIPPP!* "heh, I got the next best thing! Check it out!"
Girl, "Oh my!"
Nerd Guy, "See, it's even textured!"
Sacred Knowledge
Sacred Wisdom
Thought Processes (I like this one)
Innovative Expressions (MS would love this name)
Owned BST (blood, sweat & tears)
Exclusive Expressions
Licensed Ideas
Idea Rights
Possessed Ideas/Thoughs/Innovatiuons
Reserved Thoughts
Reserved Ideas
ThoughtRights
IdeaRights
THE LAST BUG
"But you're out of your mind!"
they said with a shrug,
"The customer's happy,
what's one little bug..."
But he was determined;
the others went home.
He spread out the program,
deserted, alone.
The cleaning men came,
the whole room was cluttered
with memory dumps, punch cards,
"I'm close..." he muttered.
The mumbling got louder,
simple deductions,
"I've got it! It's right,
just change one instruction!"
But it still wasn't perfect,
as year followed year.
People would comment,
"Is that guy still here?"
He died at the console
of hunger and thirst;
the next day he was buried
face-down, nine-edge first.
The last bug in sight,
an ant passing by.
It saluted his tombstone,
and whispered "nice try."
Author unknown. Circa late 1970s
"Bob, we own that part of you now; wherever you go we dictate how you think about it, and how you can use it. Here's your check and have a nice day!"
think about it, you are not wholly 'you' anymore, part of you is own in perpetuity by someone else. :-/
As long as we have FUD in politics and few of us caring about doing something about it, I don't think it's going to change anytime soon. e
With an x86 box I get more interfacing then apple ever offered (that lack of parallel port sure makes making your own projects tough) even moreso now that serial is gone too.
I really liked the former MacOS it was a very well designed system low hardware needs, logical (everything was contined in one meta file, all the libraries, images, sounds, etc.) had a great core graphics library and internal data format (could even copy and paste object art between two different apps!). But apple deemed it's dead and we move on - ok, but I think I'll move somewhere where companies don't tell me what I should do, or what I don't need anymore.
Thanks to OSX Mac users are now seeing what Windows users have had to deal with for all these years, files files files, text screens of death, cryptic promt commands to fix even more cryptic bugs, more bitmaps and less draw objects. (here's a tip: want to make money on OSX? make an uninstaller!) The only reason OSX is getting such a boost is because of all the porting over of the GNU/Linux programs like Open Office, my/postgreSQL, etc. Sure it has a spiffy front end, but when it all comes down to it you are still running *nix stuff.
That's enough ranting for now. I feel much better. :-)
Yep, reproducing works of others is baaaaddd!
Yep USSR Should have patented those bricks (IIRC back in the 70s or 80s one American Embassy built in the USSR had Listening Devices in just about everything - including the bricks.)
I had suggested Open Source when they were first considering doing this project. From observation over the years, agencies who do large-scale projects usually fall to the mercy of the developers who many times kept the source then turn around an d re-sell the agencies' software (who paid all the development costs) again to other out of area agencies. (government funds paying for software again and again). So, it is a step better, at least when the developers squeeze out all the profits and leave - the agencies aren't left with unmodifiable code.
With tight budgets non-profit agencies are now looking into the potential licensing revenue of their internal works to other agencies... :-/
p
Gotta go, Good Buddy!
Keep the pedal to the metal - and watch out for Ol'Smokey! ü
How many ways can someone write comments that describe a common process. Since the reviewer is a non programmer he could be missing the boat here.
:-/
I mean, if you are trying to code something by the book (whatever book you had at school that told you how to write an OS) I can expect that a fellow programmer in a different part of the world working on the same problem (educated by the same book) probably would have very similar comments throughout their source listing.
Of course - this adda a new layer to "intelecual property," I am sure Mr. Knuth is running to the patent office right now to lock down your problem solving and commenting processes and syntax structure.
Also how does one verify those comments were in the original SCO stuff (you can't de-compile comments...).
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Fight back - with your pocketbook.
The thing I myself am advocating for is moving forward to Linux Terminal Server. I envision large scale and low cost in hardware as well as software. Less headaches because you maintain one installation and a bunch of thin clients and more importantly no increase in tech staff needed (cause the state and federal 'powers that be' are clipping program 'administration' costs across the board.)
Now if compilers can take human readable code and correlate, optimise and reconfigure it for more machine oriented code, what is to stop someone from writing a 'machine code interpreter' to take the object and re-work it into a human understandable source.
No - it won't be 'the original,' but it will work as the original and the owner of the object can make any necessary observations and/or corrections and re-compile it (who knows, maybe it will compile tighter?)
I myself have used decompilers on my own works to (thankfully) ressurect projects I had lost source material for. If you think you will *always* have your source code on file for you or your customers, you are living in a dream world.
Of course if the vertical market is in something like logging or another endangered field of work then it might be tough.
Nice idea but you've got a whole lot of machines to support in the transition, not everone would want to upgrade their 68k Mac, BeBoxen or Amiga to run a nother platform with compliant software, so who would get the programs for the old systems working?
:-)
Before you say "just get with the program," think of 3rd world countries non-profit organizations and schools who don't have the money for the new hardware and associated software AND licensing for the related necessary upgrades... ("think of the children cames to mind here..."
Yeah, nice idea... in theory.
Besides those scrumtious chewey cords bunnies are also known to like remote control buttons (those soft rubber ones), cardboard boxes, and paperback book covers, newspapers too.
Our rabbit soon learned the computer room was off limits - that's how he learned when no one was noticing he could then make a bee-line right under the computer desk. (especially when guests are present)
Also the best dorrway barrier for bunny assault is a Copmmodore SX-64, standing on it's base it is too heavy to push or paw around and the added handle at the top sufficiently keeps climbing rabbits at bay.
In the rural community I live in California street delivery is uncommon (Post Office does not want to contract out for the long winding and sometimes dirt, mud or snow covered road deliveries). So Most of the rebates that require a street address "no post office boxes" make them a moot point for me and fellow rural consumers.
The second scam is the free internet service thing, also a bust out here, were one would have to call long distance to a larger city to get access to such services (no to mention being a prime candidate for targeted marketing).
So I shop with the pre-rebate price in mind, If I get a rebate, lucky me, but I know I can't count on one.
The paper feed mechanism has taken down more printers then other issues... Most of the others (ink clogs, cleaning the printhead travel bar) are no problem to maintain but when the rubber rollers die you can't get replacements.
The biggest culprit is the bottom feed printers with HPs being the worst of the lot (the epson 1520 comes in second, mine still works but I have to clean dust off the rollers or it cannot grab paper in proper time...).
Of the top paper feeds that I have seen feed problems, the award goes to HP again for the 1100, so bad was the feed theyt offer a free repair kit on-line to insert a better paper thingie (it keeps the paper stack from slipping into the printer)
My favorites for printers are the HP Lasers (have them for years, they don't die). And the Epson 740 (with three interfaces - parallel, Mac Serial, & USB -, great resolution and speed it makes an excellent GP inkjet).
Dot Matrix - Currently I'm using a panasonic though I liked the Star printers too, when I did a lot of Dot Matrix buying. (Okidata was definitely a hit or miss and later Epsons DMs were problematic with plastic breakage).â
"If you wish your address to be removed from this adress list send a reply with the word REMOVE in the subject line and your mailing address in the body to...."
:-)
Yeah, that should do the trick.
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