Just another random fluctuation due to the "tech" stock weakness. Don't get you hopes too high, too soon. They may eventually drop when the vested become unsure of the wisdom of leaving their potential wealth in a single paper issue.
I already posted several messages on Micron's refusal to even consider my question on a parallel port problem, because I installed Linux. [That is, no longer the original configuration, hence, no support.]
Micron would not even entertain my question about a problem with my parallel port, because I had installed Linux. Hence, my machine was not in 'as shipped' configuration and their policy is not to provide support. [I could, however, remove the second hard drive that has Linux.]
Linux just helps to confirm something is amiss with the LPT1 port. The problem is that my HP Tape is no longer detected under Windows.
Your posting of/. statistics on connections and OS from my experience does not necessarily measure Linux usage.
I am using Windows to use the Internet, and not by choice. Moreover, I have Linux installed on this machine, but have not successfully connected to my cable ISP. That is, not yet , but still working on it.
Regarding the default, perhaps setting the lowest rating at zero has merit. For those desiring the worst they might prefer to have the option to read all those below a certain level.
There are too many nasty comments supported by no more than that particular writer's opinion. Finding those with significant, interesting views is becoming increasingly difficult. Some of the best posts I have read have been from "AC" accounts. If you have the energy, time, and speed reading ability every post is available. I just lack sufficient quantities of all three to allow myself to read every post on an article that attracts my interest.
their policy is not support any unit that has an altered "configuration".
That is, my tape drive fails to be detected under Win95, with confirming evidence that the parallel port is not detected for the printer by Linux, means: remove Linux take out the second hard drive (Linux only on this drive) then they would consider my problem. [I would have to even do more than that to return to my as shipped configuration - just not worth my time.]
In my case, they immediately lost another sale for a primarily Win95/98 machine because it too would have a Linux partition.
I might consider a Dell later, but I would install my own copy - even with all the problems that can entail. Just a thought.
my cable company ISP that I still have not got to work properly. And to build my LAN I would prefer to have another separate ethernet card, but I am out of irq's!
To what if any extent is USB supported under Linux? I have the impression it is not supported even under kernel 2.2. However, researching some problems with sound configurations I found it USB listed in a configuration file.
Mine is a Micron desktop, where some Linux Native partitions were converted to "Amoeba".
In my case I suspect that an OEM installed utility had a role in changing the formatting type. [Or do you have S.M.A.R.T. utility on your desktop.]
By the way, I believe it's PM version 4 that can format ext2 partitions.
I really have had no problems with my partitions being recognized. However, I may do things to screwup the whole system, e.g. by unknowingly substituting a user's password for root when I was learning to add users. Nonetheless, these were my errors! Moreover, I have installed both RH 5.0 and 5.2 - and it's getting better, but new problems arise as the last set are solved.
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Bolder, Colorado case.
Could we determine who the poster is and do our civic duty and turn them in? From what I read today, I am sure B.G. would understand , since he took a similar position regarding the information MS would gather.
Off topic? Not really, wasting our efforts ...
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This weekend I upgraded finally to Red Hat Linux 5.2 and added two new users to Linux.
My son in his early teens really likes what he has seen of Gimp and will be able to compare his experiences with Adobe Illustrator that he is to use in school. And now the 6-year-old, who is quite artistic and smart, is asking when she can get on to use "Linux" (and Gimp). She is the 2nd new user.
My problem is that I am the system administrator that is quite new to UNIX (having already forgotten many of the commands I knew a few months ago) and it is a fight for me to get the configurations and hardware to work properly. Hence, I am going to spend more time working on Linux and less worrying about MS. Because, while I am quite able to screw things up in Linux - I have yet to have either my son or myself have it lockup on the same hardware that continually freezes under Win95.
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Sorry, has no pertinence to the case. Consider the history of tobacco litigation, the defense arguments contradict each other. For example, cigarettes do not cause [insert disease name] , but it is common knowledge that smoking is dangerous and it was the plaintiff's choice to continue smoking.
The heads of all the major tobacco companies swore under oath that they did not believe smoking to be dangerous or addictive. After which information was finally released indicating the tests with manipulation of nicotine content implied both it could be an addictive substance and the companies' attempted to capitalize on it's addictive power. Nonetheless, they will never be called to task for lying to Congress nor for the tactics employed both within the courtrooms or the PR machinations on the outside.
The point is: this is a waste of out time! We have better things to do, e.g. , solving the problems pertaining to Linux and other GPL software options.
Please read the publicity blurbs: IBM is not limiting their support only to Red Hat!
For two of you, it seems the "story" is more important than facts. Perhaps you might consider making commercial "movies" where the relative importance follows that pattern.
Let me first state that my comments are not meant to be a nasty retort, so if some of the words may seem harsh they are not intended to be heard with a snarl.
First let me be more explicit about my encounters with IBM and the animosity I held for them for years. In the late 80's I was on one of my early consulting assignments where the MIS director was an ex-IBMer. At the time I was having some sort of hardware problem with a luggable unit I owned. The director gave me an internal number where he thought I would get some advice how I might handle the problem. While the issue now escapes me the tone and nastiness of the IBM employee is not forgotten! Despite my not being a hardware person, my advice was to avoid IBM and their products. I was dead set against PS/2 machines.
Years later, and partly because I thought early versions of Windows were worthless, I made an inquiry by phone using a public number about a early version of OS/2. My call was pushed up the ladder to an obviously astute technical person that would respond civilly to any and all of my ill informed questions. [I had to end the call because I felt guilty taking so much time to sell one copy of OS/2.] But that's when my view of IBM began to alter.
I now routinely recommend IBM laptops, perhaps not top-of-the-line but a step down even to those not planning to use Linux. Moreover, I will be doing the same when it's time to replace my current laptop.
Now let's review your opening comment: "You are most likely the only one... anything from Microsoft..."
Well you don't get around much, do you?
It happens that I ran across a link where users were requested to vote software they wanted ported to Linux. I was shocked to see how many requested MS packages. Moreover, the packages desired: VB!?!? Let's assume some were MS shills, still too many to be explained by a reverse/. effect at so early a period ( at least 6 months ago ).
I would suggest too that you check out the WINE project again to see that many of the tested packages are MS products. [Again, this cannot be explained away by MS interference, because the results are not overly favorable - unless this is meant to discourage Windows users!] Why, I do not know, because I could do without Word or Excel (and a myriad of others) without any sense of loss. However, what you may not know is many so called in-house MS products began as external purchases and some are still quite good.
I will not burden you with my reasons for displeasure (under statement) with MS. Nonetheless, the point is while past behaviour may be a good predictor of current and future actions - we all have the ability to change, even Microsoft.
Sorry the letter I received says that they (Red Hat) receives nothing though they did have a relationship for version 5.1.
As they explained it "... [no] official relationship... [can] distribute... terms of our licensing". Sounds like GPL to me.
Where do you get your facts?
Sorry again, I have been running version 5.0 and the problems I have encountered could easily be ascribed to my own ineptitude , because I became quite adept at reinstalling the text version for one reason or another. I had purchased version 5.2, as a means of thanking RH for their efforts and to get support for my fairly recent video card and monitor.
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facts. He is employed by a research institution in Mexico City and does work on GNOME on his time.
for such shrill words, you should have some very bad experiences to justify your tone.
Why is that I suspect you have none? Pasting a board with mis-information sounds more like a trouble maker that neither uses Linux nor has any real interest in its growth.
When I purchased what I thought was Red Hat Linux version 5.2, it has all those words on the box. I actually bought the "Complete... Deluxe" that is indeed the RH version; but Red Hat is getting no funds!
It's a Macmillan distribution. There are others to that take the RH distribution and copy it - so the question becomes who is taking advantage of whom?
Somehow your words remind me of Spiro Agnew using ghetto talk - neither genuine nor reflecting your real intent.
This seems to match previous posts where preinstalled Linux is pretty much limited to their UNIX boxes ( without AIX, that is ).
I am not knocking these statements of support, only I thought I read about each previously other than multi distributor support ( though it was a rumor ) and the global point-of-contact . The latter puts IBM much further out front than any entity supporting Linux, i.e. world wide support. Is that what I was missing?
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Fair question, but if the choice though limited is far superior that may suffice for many.
Linux need not run on every desktop to be a force to be reckoned with. That is, where is it that Linux must become a monopoly to succeed?
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If the major Linux distributions agree upon support of LSB, other distributions servicing a different sector will not destroy Linux.
The users of a given distribution will become self-selecting. Those that have little interest in commercial applications, but value their option to alter the underlying OS in any manner they choose would follow the dissenters.
Both have a role to play - LSB and the major distributions will make Linux mainstream perhaps even to the desktop . Those that will play with the code in a non-standardized environment may be creating the next LSB standard.
If this is about freedom, it is also about freedom of choice. Linux should not become 90% of the OS market.
The anti-trust laws make it illegal to use that monopoly to stifle competition.
How do you make the OEM's admit they are subject to strong arm tactics? Not using an operating system with a small percentage of the OS market could be attributed to the chicken and egg problem. That is, which comes first - it took a long time for CD-ROMs to become "standard" equipment. Anyone remember the Year of the LAN that was predicted so often it happened before it was recognized.
This is the sort of argument that MS or the OEM's would make, and it contains some truth. Moreover, the descriptions of the Law as the search for the truth has never been in a courtroom or take too many political speeches at face value. Given the right mindset, an actual case is better than standup comedy.
Yes to those convinced of illegal dealings and skull duggery it's obvious , but it's not legal certainty.
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Just another random fluctuation due to the "tech" stock weakness. Don't get you hopes too high, too soon. They may eventually drop when the vested become unsure of the wisdom of leaving their potential wealth in a single paper issue.
I already posted several messages on Micron's refusal to even consider my question on a parallel port problem, because I installed Linux. [That is, no longer the original configuration, hence, no support.]
Micron would not even entertain my question about a problem with my parallel port, because I had installed Linux. Hence, my machine was not in 'as shipped' configuration and their policy is not to provide support. [I could, however, remove the second hard drive that has Linux.]
Linux just helps to confirm something is amiss with the LPT1 port. The problem is that my HP Tape is no longer detected under Windows.
it's even built into the OS!
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And there is Paint, NotePad, Double Space,
Warning off-topic a bit
/. statistics on connections and OS from my experience does not necessarily measure Linux usage.
Your posting of
I am using Windows to use the Internet, and not by choice. Moreover, I have Linux installed on this machine, but have not successfully connected to my cable ISP. That is, not yet , but still working on it.
Regarding the default, perhaps setting the lowest rating at zero has merit. For those desiring the worst they might prefer to have the option to read all those below a certain level.
There are too many nasty comments supported by no more than that particular writer's opinion. Finding those with significant, interesting views is becoming increasingly difficult. Some of the best posts I have read have been from "AC" accounts. If you have the energy, time, and speed reading ability every post is available. I just lack sufficient quantities of all three to allow myself to read every post on an article that attracts my interest.
their policy is not support any unit that has an altered "configuration".
That is, my tape drive fails to be detected under Win95, with confirming evidence that the parallel port is not detected for the printer by Linux, means: remove Linux take out the second hard drive (Linux only on this drive) then they would consider my problem. [I would have to even do more than that to return to my as shipped configuration - just not worth my time.]
In my case, they immediately lost another sale for a primarily Win95/98 machine because it too would have a Linux partition.
I might consider a Dell later, but I would install my own copy - even with all the problems that can entail. Just a thought.
internally it being referred to as Boob.
my cable company ISP that I still have not got to work properly. And to build my LAN I would prefer to have another separate ethernet card, but I am out of irq's!
To what if any extent is USB supported under Linux? I have the impression it is not supported even under kernel 2.2. However, researching some problems with sound configurations I found it USB listed in a configuration file.
Anyone know for sure?
Mine is a Micron desktop, where some Linux Native partitions were converted to "Amoeba".
In my case I suspect that an OEM installed utility had a role in changing the formatting type. [Or do you have S.M.A.R.T. utility on your desktop.]
By the way, I believe it's PM version 4 that can format ext2 partitions.
I really have had no problems with my partitions being recognized. However, I may do things to screwup the whole system, e.g. by unknowingly substituting a user's password for root when I was learning to add users. Nonetheless, these were my errors! Moreover, I have installed both RH 5.0 and 5.2 - and it's getting better, but new problems arise as the last set are solved.
Bolder, Colorado case.
Could we determine who the poster is and do our civic duty and turn them in? From what I read today, I am sure B.G. would understand , since he took a similar position regarding the information MS would gather.
This weekend I upgraded finally to Red Hat Linux 5.2 and added two new users to Linux.
My son in his early teens really likes what he has seen of Gimp and will be able to compare his experiences with Adobe Illustrator that he is to use in school. And now the 6-year-old, who is quite artistic and smart, is asking when she can get on to use "Linux" (and Gimp). She is the 2nd new user.
My problem is that I am the system administrator that is quite new to UNIX (having already forgotten many of the commands I knew a few months ago) and it is a fight for me to get the configurations and hardware to work properly. Hence, I am going to spend more time working on Linux and less worrying about MS. Because, while I am quite able to screw things up in Linux - I have yet to have either my son or myself have it lockup on the same hardware that continually freezes under Win95.
Sorry, has no pertinence to the case. Consider the history of tobacco litigation, the defense arguments contradict each other. For example, cigarettes do not cause [insert disease name] , but it is common knowledge that smoking is dangerous and it was the plaintiff's choice to continue smoking.
The heads of all the major tobacco companies swore under oath that they did not believe smoking to be dangerous or addictive. After which information was finally released indicating the tests with manipulation of nicotine content implied both it could be an addictive substance and the companies' attempted to capitalize on it's addictive power. Nonetheless, they will never be called to task for lying to Congress nor for the tactics employed both within the courtrooms or the PR machinations on the outside.
The point is: this is a waste of out time! We have better things to do, e.g. , solving the problems pertaining to Linux and other GPL software options.
this is also for the other respondents:
Please read the publicity blurbs: IBM is not limiting their support only to Red Hat!
For two of you, it seems the "story" is more important than facts.
Perhaps you might consider making commercial "movies" where the relative importance follows that pattern.
Let me first state that my comments are not meant to be a nasty retort, so if some of the words may seem harsh they are not intended to be heard with a snarl.
... anything from Microsoft ..."
/. effect at so early a period ( at least 6 months ago ).
First let me be more explicit about my encounters with IBM and the animosity I held for them for years. In the late 80's I was on one of my early consulting assignments where the MIS director was an ex-IBMer. At the time I was having some sort of hardware problem with a luggable unit I owned. The director gave me an internal number where he thought I would get some advice how I might handle the problem. While the issue now escapes me the tone and nastiness of the IBM employee is not forgotten! Despite my not being a hardware person, my advice was to avoid IBM and their products. I was dead set against PS/2 machines.
Years later, and partly because I thought early versions of Windows were worthless, I made an inquiry by phone using a public number about a early version of OS/2. My call was pushed up the ladder to an obviously astute technical person that would respond civilly to any and all of my ill informed questions. [I had to end the call because I felt guilty taking so much time to sell one copy of OS/2.] But that's when my view of IBM began to alter.
I now routinely recommend IBM laptops, perhaps not top-of-the-line but a step down even to those not planning to use Linux. Moreover, I will be doing the same when it's time to replace my current laptop.
Now let's review your opening comment: "You are most likely the only one
Well you don't get around much, do you?
It happens that I ran across a link where users were requested to vote software they wanted ported to Linux. I was shocked to see how many requested MS packages. Moreover, the packages desired: VB!?!? Let's assume some were MS shills, still too many to be explained by a reverse
I would suggest too that you check out the WINE project again to see that many of the tested packages are MS products. [Again, this cannot be explained away by MS interference, because the results are not overly favorable - unless this is meant to discourage Windows users!] Why, I do not know, because I could do without Word or Excel (and a myriad of others) without any sense of loss. However, what you may not know is many so called in-house MS products began as external purchases and some are still quite good.
I will not burden you with my reasons for displeasure (under statement) with MS. Nonetheless, the point is while past behaviour may be a good predictor of current and future actions - we all have the ability to change, even Microsoft.
Sorry the letter I received says that they (Red Hat) receives nothing though they did have a relationship for version 5.1.
... [no] official relationship ... [can] distribute ... terms of our licensing". Sounds like GPL to me.
As they explained it "
Where do you get your facts?
Sorry again, I have been running version 5.0 and the problems I have encountered could easily be ascribed to my own ineptitude , because I became quite adept at reinstalling the text version for one reason or another. I had purchased version 5.2, as a means of thanking RH for their efforts and to get support for my fairly recent video card and monitor.
facts. He is employed by a research institution in Mexico City and does work on GNOME on his time.
for such shrill words, you should have some very bad experiences to justify your tone.
... Deluxe" that is indeed the RH version; but Red Hat is getting no funds!
Why is that I suspect you have none? Pasting a board with mis-information sounds more like a trouble maker that neither uses Linux nor has any real interest in its growth.
When I purchased what I thought was Red Hat Linux version 5.2, it has all those words on the box. I actually bought the "Complete
It's a Macmillan distribution. There are others to that take the RH distribution and copy it - so the question becomes who is taking advantage of whom?
Somehow your words remind me of Spiro Agnew using ghetto talk - neither genuine nor reflecting your real intent.
This seems to match previous posts where preinstalled Linux is pretty much limited to their UNIX boxes ( without AIX, that is ).
I am not knocking these statements of support, only I thought I read about each previously other than multi distributor support ( though it was a rumor ) and the global point-of-contact . The latter puts IBM much further out front than any entity supporting Linux, i.e. world wide support. Is that what I was missing?
Fair question, but if the choice though limited is far superior that may suffice for many.
Linux need not run on every desktop to be a force to be reckoned with. That is, where is it that Linux must become a monopoly to succeed?
If the major Linux distributions agree upon support of LSB, other distributions servicing a different sector will not destroy Linux.
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The users of a given distribution will become self-selecting. Those that have little interest in commercial applications, but value their option to alter the underlying OS in any manner they choose would follow the dissenters.
Both have a role to play - LSB and the major distributions will make Linux mainstream perhaps even to the desktop . Those that will play with the code in a non-standardized environment may be creating the next LSB standard
If this is about freedom, it is also about freedom of choice. Linux should not become 90% of the OS market.
in a row??!!
Remember, there has been no decision! Moreover, if MS loses the appeal process will be endless.
If three or four of these in-a-row defenses of are from MS lackies, I too am DISCUSSED!!!
Trouble!"
I stand corrected!
I had thought it meant (even prior to its first release) as: N(ot) T(here) (Yet).
The Micron box I am writing this on, has third party Windows support, hence, that company has been prepared to make the move to ... Linux!!??
Sorry, too much can be read into too little. However, Dell's past history is a more direct indicator of their intentions.
of a trust or illegal business practices.
The anti-trust laws make it illegal to use that monopoly to stifle competition.
How do you make the OEM's admit they are subject to strong arm tactics? Not using an operating system with a small percentage of the OS market could be attributed to the chicken and egg problem. That is, which comes first - it took a long time for CD-ROMs to become "standard" equipment. Anyone remember the Year of the LAN that was predicted so often it happened before it was recognized.
This is the sort of argument that MS or the OEM's would make, and it contains some truth. Moreover, the descriptions of the Law as the search for the truth has never been in a courtroom or take too many political speeches at face value. Given the right mindset, an actual case is better than standup comedy.
Yes to those convinced of illegal dealings and skull duggery it's obvious , but it's not legal certainty.
as broad gauged support of its hardware as it seemed to be implied by an earlier article posted in /. Check out Linux Weekly News.
I suggest being a bit more circumspect in our Wonderment and Damning of each new Advance .
It all could all be much less than it seems - be certain this will be a long haul fight.