I find the idea that software costs will change your TCO to be silly at best. The costs of even the most expensive software packages are dwarfed by implementation, development and customization costs.
My favorite though is when MS puts out these articles saying that the TCO for windows is less than that for Linux. They don't include the fact that at year 4 of the 5 year cost analysis they will stop supporting said version of windows and you will have to upgrade to the newer one. Thus blowing all of their TCO numbers away. Silly MS FUD.
But back on topic. I don't see how some company could charge for a WINE like system and it be more expensive than having to deal with that damn windows license.
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This whole outsourcing thing works. With all that code going over the wire to India it will be important to know just how fast it can get there. Of course there will be a huge demand for scientists to work with particle accelerators to blow up hard drives and ram sticks to determine what media has the best potential for high speed transfer rates.
And really we all know blowing stuff up is more fun than writing code any day. (Unless you are writing code to blow stuff up) Thus sending our boring programming jobs overseas is ok, because it creates fun, high paying jobs in our nations particle acceleration labs.
Do you not complain when a coworker copies your idea? You still have the idea, its just not worth anything now because they took it and used it first. They STOLE your idea. Whats the difference?
Here we go again. STEAL??? For the N-thousandth time, copyright infringement is not STEALING
It may not be "stealing" but it is stealing. Somebody created something and you took it and used it without paying for it.
These copies aren't high quality
So we should only pusnih the criminals who are good at it?
If this was an actual DVD the person would go to jail for it. If they took the roll of film out of the projector and took it home with them they would go to jail for it.
I know the argument of, it is not lost revenue because I wouldn't have ever paid for it if it was not free. But that argument is stupid. You would never have bought the CD you stole either. We have an obsession with punishment because people have obsessions with getting off without punishment. I say make the punishment for copyright infringement death. Punishment is about deterring people from doing bad things.
Right now you can go to jail for murder and you get free porn. (if anybody has the source for this recent debate please chime in.) People are debating about weather or not prisoners should retain this right. NO. jail right now is free food, free porn and no responsibilities. We need a gulag, not prisoners rights. Aside from having to be someones bitch (which might make a good deterrent-"I'm going ot think twice about video taping this movie bacause if I get caught I will go to prison and get $#2%#$.") there is nothing harsh about the punishments we hand out to ofenders of horrible murders or copyright infringers.
Lets stop complaining about the severity of punishments that are for crimes that should be crimes. There are more important and worthy causes like protecting against the patriot act which is stealing the rights of law abiding citizens not criminals.
Seeing as how the surge of linux into the corporate space is fueled by companies with shareholders, like IBM, wouldn't that put linux in as much danger as java. Before you label me a troll, let me qualify this.
IBM does not own linux, nor do red hat, suse, mandrake, but they are major distributors of the technology. They are the companies that put up the advertising dollars and the energy to make it a viable option. They also, I would assume, contribute a good amount of development time to the linux kernel and to whatever desktop flavor they support for their distro. So if these companies shareholders said, "hey this strategy isn't making us any money", then they would have a legal obligation to stop advertising, developing, and supporting linux. Linux would not die, but it would suffer a near fatal gunshot wound to the head.
By this same logic perl is strongly tied to HP, and SCO success (I don't see perl as a real language if *nix goes away). I don't know the first thing about python so I can't speak to it, but the fact of the matter is that every project is supported financially by someone. Developers of free software don't get free lunches. So if the developer's paycheck goes away, the developer does too (Although it wouldn't be the first time someone starved to death from sitting at their computer too long).
That said, I don't think corporate control of a technology is such a bad thing. Look at the US vs. Russia. Innovation driven by profit put us years ahead of Russia's economy.
p.s.-I am not trying to suggest oss developers are communist and unpatriotic. Just that they are poor and hungry.
if we give smart cars to stupid drivers there will be more stupid drivers. Didn't darwin teach us anything? Give me a smart car, and then I an be protected from stupid drivers, thus making it more likely that I will produce another smart driver. Not to mention that stupid drivers won't hit me when they do something stupid. They will just kill themselves.
Microsoft today palced a strange ad in the Seatle times classifieds. The ad called for programmers with mac experience who have no scruples about developing malicious software.
I think what I was trying to say was "The linux community" rather than "you", I just think there is a misconeption and a disconnect between linux users and the general computing masses, and that linux users have a misguided opinion that linux is ready as a viable desktop option. Im saying its not!
This is exactly what I look at and see as them not getting it. Here they are targeting the end user. Microsoft won in the 80's by targeting the business user. Apple lost because they were anti-corporate (1984 ad) in a decade of Gordon Gecko and Michael Milken. Sure they had the superior product, but they made themselves out to be hippies and tried to sell their product to yuppies.
Now they are back with a superior product (software and hardware) a rock solid enterprise platform, and a real opportunity. What are they doing? marketing iTunes and the iPod.
Come on!
Whats impressive is that the linux community still doesn't get it. You think Linux is user friendly. ITS NOT. Its nowhere near user friendly. its getting better for sure, but it is not a viable desktop option for the average user. it just isn't polished enough to comptete with windows. If you guys would stop adding little bells and whistles to the kernel and put some real effort nto a unified polished desktop, there would be something to talk about here.
I am being very serious. Apple has created a viable platform for developing enterprise applications. They have the XServe now and they are starting to attract a large crowd of developers. This article is proof however that they have no clue that they are sitting on a gold mine.
We're seeing a lot of first timers. It's really impressive
I mean seriously. Apple didn't even think they would attract this many people.
forget that there would be no slashdot. The popularity of linux is due mostly to a backlash from windows poor qa. Slashdot is primarily a linux/oss forum, it wouldn't exist.
The sad truth is that the Internet in its current form wouldn't exist either. Sadly windows created the cheap influx of x86 hardware. We all know apple wouldn't have created a comoddity market out of mac's. The vast majority of Internet users are on a computer that they paid 400-800 for. This is why the Internet is so diverse; and because Al Gore was sitting at his MSDOS terminal when he had a vision of a worldwide connected network of computers with vast amounts of information freely available to the masses.
it is microsofts fault. they created the whole reverse engineering fad and the whole pc clone market. They are completely to blame for the glut of both crummy hardware and lack of support for it.
Thats the thing though, if I offer it at 6.50 it would only be the fools that didn't buy it at 6.50. Do this with 5 shares a couple hundred times and you affect the price. Or at least create the illusion of it. It isn't any more ridiculous than propping up the price with overvalued trades.
I get that you don't care about sun's bottom line, the problem is that Scott McNeely does. And that is all he cares about. Despite the facade(sort of), sun is not interested in open source because it is a cool fad or something. They are interested in making money. If you want to convince sun to open source java, show them how it affects their bottom line, specifically by open sourcing java to protect them from the encroachment of.net into linux.
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I find the idea that software costs will change your TCO to be silly at best. The costs of even the most expensive software packages are dwarfed by implementation, development and customization costs.
My favorite though is when MS puts out these articles saying that the TCO for windows is less than that for Linux. They don't include the fact that at year 4 of the 5 year cost analysis they will stop supporting said version of windows and you will have to upgrade to the newer one. Thus blowing all of their TCO numbers away. Silly MS FUD.
But back on topic. I don't see how some company could charge for a WINE like system and it be more expensive than having to deal with that damn windows license.
Series 1 holds value because you can HACK it
It's very rare today to hear of a major company throwing money at a research project since the '80s
Intel?
Microsoft? - I only mention MS because they give Bill all kinds of money, and he is the ultimate 'research project'
Lilly?
WTF?
See, This whole outsourcing thing works. With all that code going over the wire to India it will be important to know just how fast it can get there. Of course there will be a huge demand for scientists to work with particle accelerators to blow up hard drives and ram sticks to determine what media has the best potential for high speed transfer rates.
And really we all know blowing stuff up is more fun than writing code any day. (Unless you are writing code to blow stuff up) Thus sending our boring programming jobs overseas is ok, because it creates fun, high paying jobs in our nations particle acceleration labs.
Connectivity can be purchased on a metered basis for $9.95 for the first 30 minutes and 25 cents for each additional minute
Ok, $9.95/30 mins = ~$0.33/min. I want to go straight to the per minute option of $0.25.
Well, no I don't its still a friggin rip off.
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Do you not complain when a coworker copies your idea? You still have the idea, its just not worth anything now because they took it and used it first. They STOLE your idea. Whats the difference?
Here we go again. STEAL??? For the N-thousandth time, copyright infringement is not STEALING
It may not be "stealing" but it is stealing. Somebody created something and you took it and used it without paying for it.
These copies aren't high quality
So we should only pusnih the criminals who are good at it?
If this was an actual DVD the person would go to jail for it. If they took the roll of film out of the projector and took it home with them they would go to jail for it.
I know the argument of, it is not lost revenue because I wouldn't have ever paid for it if it was not free. But that argument is stupid. You would never have bought the CD you stole either. We have an obsession with punishment because people have obsessions with getting off without punishment. I say make the punishment for copyright infringement death. Punishment is about deterring people from doing bad things.
Right now you can go to jail for murder and you get free porn. (if anybody has the source for this recent debate please chime in.) People are debating about weather or not prisoners should retain this right. NO. jail right now is free food, free porn and no responsibilities. We need a gulag, not prisoners rights. Aside from having to be someones bitch (which might make a good deterrent-"I'm going ot think twice about video taping this movie bacause if I get caught I will go to prison and get $#2%#$.") there is nothing harsh about the punishments we hand out to ofenders of horrible murders or copyright infringers.
Lets stop complaining about the severity of punishments that are for crimes that should be crimes. There are more important and worthy causes like protecting against the patriot act which is stealing the rights of law abiding citizens not criminals.
Where did you get a 1.4 Ghz processor for an apple IIe?
Seeing as how the surge of linux into the corporate space is fueled by companies with shareholders, like IBM, wouldn't that put linux in as much danger as java. Before you label me a troll, let me qualify this.
IBM does not own linux, nor do red hat, suse, mandrake, but they are major distributors of the technology. They are the companies that put up the advertising dollars and the energy to make it a viable option. They also, I would assume, contribute a good amount of development time to the linux kernel and to whatever desktop flavor they support for their distro. So if these companies shareholders said, "hey this strategy isn't making us any money", then they would have a legal obligation to stop advertising, developing, and supporting linux. Linux would not die, but it would suffer a near fatal gunshot wound to the head.
By this same logic perl is strongly tied to HP, and SCO success (I don't see perl as a real language if *nix goes away). I don't know the first thing about python so I can't speak to it, but the fact of the matter is that every project is supported financially by someone. Developers of free software don't get free lunches. So if the developer's paycheck goes away, the developer does too (Although it wouldn't be the first time someone starved to death from sitting at their computer too long).
That said, I don't think corporate control of a technology is such a bad thing. Look at the US vs. Russia. Innovation driven by profit put us years ahead of Russia's economy.
p.s.-I am not trying to suggest oss developers are communist and unpatriotic. Just that they are poor and hungry.
if we give smart cars to stupid drivers there will be more stupid drivers. Didn't darwin teach us anything? Give me a smart car, and then I an be protected from stupid drivers, thus making it more likely that I will produce another smart driver. Not to mention that stupid drivers won't hit me when they do something stupid. They will just kill themselves.
Microsoft today palced a strange ad in the Seatle times classifieds. The ad called for programmers with mac experience who have no scruples about developing malicious software.
I think what I was trying to say was "The linux community" rather than "you", I just think there is a misconeption and a disconnect between linux users and the general computing masses, and that linux users have a misguided opinion that linux is ready as a viable desktop option. Im saying its not!
Good point
This is exactly what I look at and see as them not getting it. Here they are targeting the end user. Microsoft won in the 80's by targeting the business user. Apple lost because they were anti-corporate (1984 ad) in a decade of Gordon Gecko and Michael Milken. Sure they had the superior product, but they made themselves out to be hippies and tried to sell their product to yuppies.
Now they are back with a superior product (software and hardware) a rock solid enterprise platform, and a real opportunity. What are they doing? marketing iTunes and the iPod.
Come on!
Whats impressive is that the linux community still doesn't get it. You think Linux is user friendly. ITS NOT. Its nowhere near user friendly. its getting better for sure, but it is not a viable desktop option for the average user. it just isn't polished enough to comptete with windows. If you guys would stop adding little bells and whistles to the kernel and put some real effort nto a unified polished desktop, there would be something to talk about here.
I'm not talking about work stations, Im talking about servers. And try finding a windows server anywhere for under 2500. One with an OS that is.
Will someone explain to me how this is a troll?
I am being very serious. Apple has created a viable platform for developing enterprise applications. They have the XServe now and they are starting to attract a large crowd of developers. This article is proof however that they have no clue that they are sitting on a gold mine.
We're seeing a lot of first timers. It's really impressive
I mean seriously. Apple didn't even think they would attract this many people.
and I'll say it again. Apple could own the enterprise if they would take their head out of their ass.
Sure, but MSDOS was sold to all the clone makers which created the clone market, if IBM had owned the os it was game over for the clone makets
thats funny change 1983 to 2003, GEM to linux, and the phantom product to longhorn and you realize microsoft has gotten nowhere in 20 years.
forget that there would be no slashdot. The popularity of linux is due mostly to a backlash from windows poor qa. Slashdot is primarily a linux/oss forum, it wouldn't exist.
The sad truth is that the Internet in its current form wouldn't exist either. Sadly windows created the cheap influx of x86 hardware. We all know apple wouldn't have created a comoddity market out of mac's. The vast majority of Internet users are on a computer that they paid 400-800 for. This is why the Internet is so diverse; and because Al Gore was sitting at his MSDOS terminal when he had a vision of a worldwide connected network of computers with vast amounts of information freely available to the masses.
it is microsofts fault. they created the whole reverse engineering fad and the whole pc clone market. They are completely to blame for the glut of both crummy hardware and lack of support for it.
Thats the thing though, if I offer it at 6.50 it would only be the fools that didn't buy it at 6.50. Do this with 5 shares a couple hundred times and you affect the price. Or at least create the illusion of it. It isn't any more ridiculous than propping up the price with overvalued trades.
I get that you don't care about sun's bottom line, the problem is that Scott McNeely does. And that is all he cares about. Despite the facade(sort of), sun is not interested in open source because it is a cool fad or something. They are interested in making money. If you want to convince sun to open source java, show them how it affects their bottom line, specifically by open sourcing java to protect them from the encroachment of .net into linux.