Now we are getting somewhere. It makes sense to open java because MONO is out there then java needs to be out there. This shouldn't be about oss purity. It shouldn't be about imperfect licensing, and it shouldn't be about how it is a pain to download. Its about protecting the sun/ibm bottom line by putting java everywhere that.net is going to be and doing it first. The oss community seems to forget that the business world does not subscribe to the same ideals they do, but they do answer to the same god. Cash!
Michael
that most of the complaints about a non oss version of java come from linux users complaining that its liscense is what is hindering the growth of java. Of course this makes sense that linux users would want something open sourced.
But..MY GOD THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
To suggest that Java not being open source is its biggest hinderence to widespread acceptance is just plain stupid.
#1. Java being open source or not has no affect on its license. you could change the distribution license and solve the problem.
#2. The thought that being automatically distributed on linux would promote widespread use is just plain dumb. I mean come on. First of all linux is nowhere near the #1 operating system on the desktop, and it really isn't even the #1 platform on the enterprise. But even if it was I can't imagine that having to go to java.sun.com to get a copy of java as part of your installation is not that big of a deal. I mean there are much more difficult problems when installing linux, Like getting the thing to work with my DAMN VIDEO CARD. If I need java I will download it just like if I need eclipse or struts. Seriously! This is just silly.
RFID is not as bad as you think. I used to work for a provider of data warehoouse solutions, granted not in the consulting division. I went to a presentation one of the guys in supermarket consulting gave, and he talked about the complete failure of the supermarkets to do anyting useful with the data they were collecting with loyalty cards.
I worked at a grocery store when the cards were first introduced. They had all these great ideas about sending you personalized coupons, and % off rewards by tracking savings and giving reward points. They don't do this anymore.
The supermarkets failed miserably at targeted marketing and 'spying'. They are in the business of selling food, they are not in the business of collecting data about their customers. Sure it would be of huge benefit to them to do this, but short of WAL-MART having the resources and brains to make something like this work nobody knows how. The supermarkets are too dumb. Look at self check out and how much they missed the boat on this. I go to the store and all the person in front of me does is complain about what a piece of crap this self checkout is, just last week the lady in front of me said "I could have gone through faster through the regular check out."
You do not need ot worry about the ability of retailers to capitalize on this information. RFID will be driven by supply chain management people. Any efforts to aggregate data on your purchases will come from marketing. Any actual solution for these will come from the IT department. So to get this data collection to work you need IT, Marketing and SCM. My corporate experience has shown that getting 2 people to work together on something is hard enough try getting hundreds from 3 different departments and a CEO who is so caught up in squeezing the last dollar out of each department without spending even $0.50 and there is no way this will happen. (this is the one time you can thank CEO's for being so cost driven) Especially 5 years from now when every IT job in America has been outsourced to india and the IT guys are 5,000,000 miles away from the marketing dept.
Relax a little and take that foil hat off your head. There is no conspiracy to take away your privacy. Nobody who has the power to do it has the brains to pull it off. Or to reailze that it could actually be done.
Would it be possible for me to offer SCO stock, just a few shares at a much lower price, say 6.50, thus bringing down the ticker price for closing? This immediate drop would most certainly cause some panic within SCO investors. Granted this is all illegal as ehll, but it would be cool to really screw darl in the pocketbook wouldn't it? I mean a decrease in 3-4 dollars for a stock at 10 is huge for darl's stock.
Thats because both linux developers and java developers are not stupid. They know when to use what language. However look at the number of websphere/jboss/web logic installed on linux servers. IBM has made linux their websphere platform of choice. Sure there are no linux app developers using java, linux developers write tools for other linux developers. But there are tons of companies that use linux to provide a business dvelopment platform (like java/.NET)
"Yeah, 10 years from now we'll still be doing manual memory management"
I hope so. Somebody has to manage the memory. As a developer of business applications I REALLY don't want to worry about memory management. I focus on providing business logic and I don't know a darn thing about memory management (well not really I am a cs grad) but I shouldn't have to. Thats the kernel developers job. After all an operating system is
The low-level software which handles the interface to peripheral hardware, schedules tasks, allocates storage, and presents a default interface to the user when no application program is running.
-Dictionary.com
I think they should add manages memory. After all why should I have to worry about how memory is managed if I don't have to worry about where things are stored in registries or on a disk?
This would be so simple if apple just bought sun. They have 4 billion in cash lying around, they could easily get the 9 billion in sun shares to get 50% of the company. Considering apples commitment to java and the crappy job sun is doing as java's steward apple should buy sun and its market cap will be ~$25B. Oh yeah and java will stop sucking so hard!
...and Im certainly no patent law expert, but what is really illegal about.GNU/MONO? Sure they are "violating" patant law, but how is this different from what created the vast array of PC manufacturers. Aren't they taking a specification, the.NET runtime, and reverse engineering it? This seems the same as creating a hardware platform from scratch that runs ibm's bios and thus runs DOS. This is the very thing that brought microsoft to power in the first place. Couldn't they just cite this as prior precedence? Also, when will the patent on.NET run out? Its already been around for 4 years now, and I doubt that in the next 5 that mono will be a truly viable alternative to "mission critical" business apps. Aren't patents 10 years? And aren't there laws about enforcing patents or losing them? Or is that just trademarks? Just my $0.02
I realize this is not directly rleated, but as spammers DON'T know about the technologies they are using couldn't you just tell them that your software circumvented the anti-spam filters even if it doesn't. How would they ever know? I think I just found a great business model. Sell a spam filter circumvention system that does nothing. Or even better one that actually stops the spam at the source, of course I won't tell the spammers that.
Look at counter strike...It is a completely user supported network. I don't understand why they don't just make it possible to log onto any server. They could save themselves the effort and $ of supporting the online network and let gamers do it for them! I never understood why Blizzard went to so much trouble to shut down these fringe battle net servers, they are paying the power bill so you don't have to. Wake up!
...in their speed to get the software to market,' LOL"
Actually the quote was from a spokseman from AOL, not LOL. I guess that is the same thing though.
If SCO has published this code, and liscensed it under the GPL, which they HAVE to have done if they sent out a Kernel that is in violation of their Patent, then aren't they voiding their rights to it since they put it into Public Domain?(or at least released it under GPL)
Hmm...,
1)You value your privacy
2)You shop at Upscale Markets
3)You are easily angered
4)You will pay extra to protect your privacy
Thats a lot of useful information you gave away there.
I'm pretty sure this happened ot me the last time I bought an airline ticket. The Guy next ot me was complaining about the 550 he paid for the ticket. i just slumped in my hcair and didn't mention that I paid $125.
F.Y.I this has been going on for YEARS. The models that these data mining/spying techniques will just be more complex than "are they a business or pleasure trevaler?"
I won't say which, but I am sure this will be big news tomorrow. I do not work directly in the area of RFID, but I watch it pretty closely. I think I can say that it is a LONG way from being shelf ready. The article cites that privacy is not the biggest reason for wal-mart to remove stop the test. I would agree with that. Wal-mart, justifiably, doesn't see that the product is ready yet.
I mentioned this a while back, but I really think IBM has an opportunity to take down Microsoft by Dumping Linux and using OSX. The one thing that has kept Java(and hence IBM) off the desktop is the poor support for java on Windows. Apple LOVES Java. IBM LOVES java. I think this could get really interesting. Just think Web Sphere running on an XServe Cluster. With Apple Power Books and and IMacs on the desktops. Pretty scary if you ask me. You say watch out Sun, I say watch out MS. Apple finally got a clue. Now if they can just get a decent Database and an app server, they will blow away the enterprise market. IMHO
If you have a really good cyber insurance policy, and you do the minimum required to not be found negelgent, is it enough to buy insurance and not "Secure" your computer assets? This assumes your insurance covers lost profits or reputitioon damadge and all taht other stuff that happens? Is it cheaper?
I realize IBM is making hardware for apple and that has very little to do with their software, but could IBM be attemptting to use the Mac as an enterprise platform? All of their stuff is written for Linux, which would port easily to BSD, and apple had by far the best opportunity to take out Microsoft in the Desktop space. Could IBM be attempting to Bring Apple to the Enterprise?
Yes but a Pawn Borker does not have to submit a list of people who he suspects sold him stolen goods, when there is not a specific instance of stealing in question.
Michael
I don't understand how it is not stealing just because you "Wouldn't have paid for it." If I walk into a store and steal something I can't say It's ok, I wouldn't have used it if I had to pay for it. I will still go to jail, and I will deserve to go to jail. It's that simple. The fact that it costs too much doesn't give you the right to steal it, the fact that the record company stole it from the artist doesn't give you the right to steal it. It's still worng. Artists have the ability to go other places with their music. If they wanted you to get their music without paying for it, they would distribute it to you for free on Kazaa. But they made a decision to let the RIAA distribute their music for them, so they are not getting ripped off they are entering into a contract willingly. You are ripping yourself off by purchasing the music (those who still purchase it.) The artists have the right to sell their music for however much they want. You have a right to buy it or not buy it. This is not like telephone service or oil or even Microsoft(Don't get me started here). You do not need Brittany Spears Music to function in your day to day life. Nobody is creating a monoply on music. Don't like paying for CD's: go record yourself singing into a microphone and play it back(it's still music). The music companies have every right to charge whatever they want for their "Quality" music. This is not a commodity market and the music companies are not setting prices on Pork Bellies they are setting prices on a product that is differentiable and unique. If you don't like it ok, don't pay for it, but don't steal it. its wrong and is punishable by law.
As far as Verizon is concerned. They are right. The Copyright holders are responsible for finding offendors and then subponeaing Verizon for specific info, not a blanket list of guilty and innocent so they can find people to prosecute.
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Now we are getting somewhere. It makes sense to open java because MONO is out there then java needs to be out there. This shouldn't be about oss purity. It shouldn't be about imperfect licensing, and it shouldn't be about how it is a pain to download. Its about protecting the sun/ibm bottom line by putting java everywhere that .net is going to be and doing it first. The oss community seems to forget that the business world does not subscribe to the same ideals they do, but they do answer to the same god. Cash!
Michael
that most of the complaints about a non oss version of java come from linux users complaining that its liscense is what is hindering the growth of java. Of course this makes sense that linux users would want something open sourced.
But..MY GOD THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
To suggest that Java not being open source is its biggest hinderence to widespread acceptance is just plain stupid.
#1. Java being open source or not has no affect on its license. you could change the distribution license and solve the problem. #2. The thought that being automatically distributed on linux would promote widespread use is just plain dumb. I mean come on. First of all linux is nowhere near the #1 operating system on the desktop, and it really isn't even the #1 platform on the enterprise. But even if it was I can't imagine that having to go to java.sun.com to get a copy of java as part of your installation is not that big of a deal. I mean there are much more difficult problems when installing linux, Like getting the thing to work with my DAMN VIDEO CARD. If I need java I will download it just like if I need eclipse or struts. Seriously! This is just silly.
RFID is not as bad as you think. I used to work for a provider of data warehoouse solutions, granted not in the consulting division. I went to a presentation one of the guys in supermarket consulting gave, and he talked about the complete failure of the supermarkets to do anyting useful with the data they were collecting with loyalty cards. I worked at a grocery store when the cards were first introduced. They had all these great ideas about sending you personalized coupons, and % off rewards by tracking savings and giving reward points. They don't do this anymore. The supermarkets failed miserably at targeted marketing and 'spying'. They are in the business of selling food, they are not in the business of collecting data about their customers. Sure it would be of huge benefit to them to do this, but short of WAL-MART having the resources and brains to make something like this work nobody knows how. The supermarkets are too dumb. Look at self check out and how much they missed the boat on this. I go to the store and all the person in front of me does is complain about what a piece of crap this self checkout is, just last week the lady in front of me said "I could have gone through faster through the regular check out." You do not need ot worry about the ability of retailers to capitalize on this information. RFID will be driven by supply chain management people. Any efforts to aggregate data on your purchases will come from marketing. Any actual solution for these will come from the IT department. So to get this data collection to work you need IT, Marketing and SCM. My corporate experience has shown that getting 2 people to work together on something is hard enough try getting hundreds from 3 different departments and a CEO who is so caught up in squeezing the last dollar out of each department without spending even $0.50 and there is no way this will happen. (this is the one time you can thank CEO's for being so cost driven) Especially 5 years from now when every IT job in America has been outsourced to india and the IT guys are 5,000,000 miles away from the marketing dept. Relax a little and take that foil hat off your head. There is no conspiracy to take away your privacy. Nobody who has the power to do it has the brains to pull it off. Or to reailze that it could actually be done.
Would it be possible for me to offer SCO stock, just a few shares at a much lower price, say 6.50, thus bringing down the ticker price for closing? This immediate drop would most certainly cause some panic within SCO investors. Granted this is all illegal as ehll, but it would be cool to really screw darl in the pocketbook wouldn't it? I mean a decrease in 3-4 dollars for a stock at 10 is huge for darl's stock.
Thats because both linux developers and java developers are not stupid. They know when to use what language. However look at the number of websphere/jboss/web logic installed on linux servers. IBM has made linux their websphere platform of choice. Sure there are no linux app developers using java, linux developers write tools for other linux developers. But there are tons of companies that use linux to provide a business dvelopment platform (like java/.NET) "Yeah, 10 years from now we'll still be doing manual memory management" I hope so. Somebody has to manage the memory. As a developer of business applications I REALLY don't want to worry about memory management. I focus on providing business logic and I don't know a darn thing about memory management (well not really I am a cs grad) but I shouldn't have to. Thats the kernel developers job. After all an operating system is The low-level software which handles the interface to peripheral hardware, schedules tasks, allocates storage, and presents a default interface to the user when no application program is running. -Dictionary.com I think they should add manages memory. After all why should I have to worry about how memory is managed if I don't have to worry about where things are stored in registries or on a disk?
4) Get a law degree 5) Profit!
This would be so simple if apple just bought sun. They have 4 billion in cash lying around, they could easily get the 9 billion in sun shares to get 50% of the company. Considering apples commitment to java and the crappy job sun is doing as java's steward apple should buy sun and its market cap will be ~$25B. Oh yeah and java will stop sucking so hard!
Why not standardize on mobile.microsoft.com
mobile.nokia.com
it is a natural progression to use the prefix not the suffix. Just like www and ftp and other protocols. I don't get it
...and Im certainly no patent law expert, but what is really illegal about .GNU/MONO? Sure they are "violating" patant law, but how is this different from what created the vast array of PC manufacturers. Aren't they taking a specification, the .NET runtime, and reverse engineering it? This seems the same as creating a hardware platform from scratch that runs ibm's bios and thus runs DOS. This is the very thing that brought microsoft to power in the first place. Couldn't they just cite this as prior precedence? Also, when will the patent on .NET run out? Its already been around for 4 years now, and I doubt that in the next 5 that mono will be a truly viable alternative to "mission critical" business apps. Aren't patents 10 years? And aren't there laws about enforcing patents or losing them? Or is that just trademarks?
Just my $0.02
they have great range, long battery life, and are private on whatever setup you have. Assuming you have less than about 6 people.
It's probably just perception
I realize this is not directly rleated, but as spammers DON'T know about the technologies they are using couldn't you just tell them that your software circumvented the anti-spam filters even if it doesn't. How would they ever know? I think I just found a great business model. Sell a spam filter circumvention system that does nothing. Or even better one that actually stops the spam at the source, of course I won't tell the spammers that.
6) Profit
Look at counter strike...It is a completely user supported network. I don't understand why they don't just make it possible to log onto any server. They could save themselves the effort and $ of supporting the online network and let gamers do it for them! I never understood why Blizzard went to so much trouble to shut down these fringe battle net servers, they are paying the power bill so you don't have to. Wake up!
...in their speed to get the software to market,' LOL" Actually the quote was from a spokseman from AOL, not LOL. I guess that is the same thing though.
If SCO has published this code, and liscensed it under the GPL, which they HAVE to have done if they sent out a Kernel that is in violation of their Patent, then aren't they voiding their rights to it since they put it into Public Domain?(or at least released it under GPL)
Hmm..., 1)You value your privacy 2)You shop at Upscale Markets 3)You are easily angered 4)You will pay extra to protect your privacy Thats a lot of useful information you gave away there.
I'm pretty sure this happened ot me the last time I bought an airline ticket. The Guy next ot me was complaining about the 550 he paid for the ticket. i just slumped in my hcair and didn't mention that I paid $125. F.Y.I this has been going on for YEARS. The models that these data mining/spying techniques will just be more complex than "are they a business or pleasure trevaler?"
People do still do what they are paid to do! Only those people are lawyers!
I won't say which, but I am sure this will be big news tomorrow. I do not work directly in the area of RFID, but I watch it pretty closely. I think I can say that it is a LONG way from being shelf ready. The article cites that privacy is not the biggest reason for wal-mart to remove stop the test. I would agree with that. Wal-mart, justifiably, doesn't see that the product is ready yet.
I mentioned this a while back, but I really think IBM has an opportunity to take down Microsoft by Dumping Linux and using OSX. The one thing that has kept Java(and hence IBM) off the desktop is the poor support for java on Windows. Apple LOVES Java. IBM LOVES java. I think this could get really interesting. Just think Web Sphere running on an XServe Cluster. With Apple Power Books and and IMacs on the desktops. Pretty scary if you ask me. You say watch out Sun, I say watch out MS. Apple finally got a clue. Now if they can just get a decent Database and an app server, they will blow away the enterprise market. IMHO
If you have a really good cyber insurance policy, and you do the minimum required to not be found negelgent, is it enough to buy insurance and not "Secure" your computer assets? This assumes your insurance covers lost profits or reputitioon damadge and all taht other stuff that happens? Is it cheaper?
Even if the moderators didn't get it I thought it was funny!
I realize IBM is making hardware for apple and that has very little to do with their software, but could IBM be attemptting to use the Mac as an enterprise platform? All of their stuff is written for Linux, which would port easily to BSD, and apple had by far the best opportunity to take out Microsoft in the Desktop space. Could IBM be attempting to Bring Apple to the Enterprise?
Yes but a Pawn Borker does not have to submit a list of people who he suspects sold him stolen goods, when there is not a specific instance of stealing in question. Michael
I don't understand how it is not stealing just because you "Wouldn't have paid for it." If I walk into a store and steal something I can't say It's ok, I wouldn't have used it if I had to pay for it. I will still go to jail, and I will deserve to go to jail. It's that simple. The fact that it costs too much doesn't give you the right to steal it, the fact that the record company stole it from the artist doesn't give you the right to steal it. It's still worng. Artists have the ability to go other places with their music. If they wanted you to get their music without paying for it, they would distribute it to you for free on Kazaa. But they made a decision to let the RIAA distribute their music for them, so they are not getting ripped off they are entering into a contract willingly. You are ripping yourself off by purchasing the music (those who still purchase it.) The artists have the right to sell their music for however much they want. You have a right to buy it or not buy it. This is not like telephone service or oil or even Microsoft(Don't get me started here). You do not need Brittany Spears Music to function in your day to day life. Nobody is creating a monoply on music. Don't like paying for CD's: go record yourself singing into a microphone and play it back(it's still music). The music companies have every right to charge whatever they want for their "Quality" music. This is not a commodity market and the music companies are not setting prices on Pork Bellies they are setting prices on a product that is differentiable and unique. If you don't like it ok, don't pay for it, but don't steal it. its wrong and is punishable by law.
As far as Verizon is concerned. They are right. The Copyright holders are responsible for finding offendors and then subponeaing Verizon for specific info, not a blanket list of guilty and innocent so they can find people to prosecute.