but it also owns some of the most respected including Fox News and Sky News
Umm.. Fox News is respected? That's news to me. Somehow falsely reporting that WMD have been found in Iraq every 5 minutes doesn't get you a lot of respect. Neither does threatening to sue The Simpsons for making fun of Fox News. Or how about suing Al Franken for trademark violations of the phrase "Fair and Balanced"? Fox News is many things, but a respected news organization is not one of them.
I know about nothing about Sky News, but given Murdochs record I'd be awfully surprised if they had a shill of credibility.
Isn't the NY Post one of the least respected papers in the US? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that Murdochs newspapers were nothing but trash. You could probbably say they're just below slashdot in the reliability of articles which appear in them;).
We could easily, permanently end the situation in Iraq. Sweep 500,000 troops through the country, shooting everyone they encounter. Or simply nuke it.We can't do these things for obvious political reasons
Wow, you truly scare me saying that not shooting everyone in the country, or nuking Iraq is simply a "political problem". I understand what you're getting at, but it sounds as if you're trivializing the deaths of millions of people.
You'd probbably be right.. if this was a court document. This document was obtained via the Freedom Of Information Act, which has very specific circumstances in which requests can be denied, and what information can be withhelf.
You can read about all the excemptions and exclusions allowed by law for FOIA requests here. Most of which have to deal with national security, privacy, business secrets, endangering an ongoing law enforcement investigation, etc. As far as I can tell none of these exclusions/excemptions apply to what was hidden.
Dude, you run a porn aggregating site. You have a serious credibility problem on this subject.
I'm really curious. Why does running a porn aggregating site give you a credibility problem on getting laid? Do you think porn is morally corrupt, and therefore the guy has no credibility? Or do you just think porn websites are generally run by sleezy spamming bastards?
Of course if Redhat is simply charging $149 for the service of being able to download their distro and aren't looking to prevent you from installing it on as many systems as you'd like (sans support obviously), then I'll be more than happy to pay the money to get those ISO images
This is the question I had. The sales guy on the phone said this is exactly what they're doing. It's still open source software, so you can install it on as many machines as you want, but you can't buy one support contract and install the updates on 100 machines. They still have to provide the source for the updates of course. So you could DL each source update RPM and compile it yourself.
I'd encourage you to call them though. For 100 machines they may have a better option for you (they also have some kind of satelite service where you can sort of create your own distribution and updates).
No, I wouldn't. Most of these presentations are duller than paint drying, and I've seen video of ones I was interested in.
Hmmm.. Maybe you'd only been exposed to the poor quality presentations. I've gone to the Nobel Conference for the past 4 years and the ratio of interesting/boring is somewhere from 60%-70%. I think that's pretty damn good considering the wide range of topics at the conference (everything from ecomomics to evolution). The nobel conference is a 2 day yearly event where some of the top people in branch, or branches of science and at least one nobel laureate come to talk on a particular science topic.
Granted the Nobel conference isn't just random scientists speaking, but a science channel certainly would pick out the cream of the crop too. They could certainly make arrangements to air the Nobel Conference every year, as well as video of past conferences. There's really tons of good content out their that's fairly accessible to the average person interested in science.
Quite frankly I think it's inevitable that a channel dedicated to science is created as more and more bandwidth becomes available for more and more different cable/satelite channels. The only question is when it will happen. I hope soon.
Umm, Windows is stable now -- Win9X is back in 199x. We're in 200X now
Yah, that's why I reboot my windows 2000 machine every 2 weeks because of patches. That's also why when I was running XP the machine crashed once a week (turned out to be an Nvidia sound driver problem). The crashes and instability seemed to go away when I went back to Win2K, but the "reboot from every patch" problem hasn't. When I regularly see uptimes of 2 months or more, and have the possibility of my machine being up for a year I'll consider Windows "stable"
And that may be why Linux hasn't been the breakout hit of user's desktop's everywhere -- because they're adding features that developers want, not regular users...
That may be part of the reason, but quite honestly I think distributions have become very useable. The bigger reason is just legacy software issues, and less hardware support. Every business has some legacy software product they're loathe to move away from that only works on Windows.
It is not at all clear that the credibility of our current president *is* any better than that of a representative random quote from Hee-Haw.
Oh I tend to agree. But a US president in general has more credibility than Hee-Haw. That is, you can't come up to someone and say "guess what I heard on Hee-Haw" and expect anyone to take you seriously. Whereas you could actually say "The president said blah" and expect a decent percentage of the populace to give the quote some credence.
As for the Hee-Haw, W comparison, it was the first thing that popped into my mind since in my estimation the two are about on an equal footing;).
Now should I go about writing a slashdot article on this?
Maybe. I didn't know about Zebra before the linked article, and now I do. The furthest I've gone with any high-level networking so far is just simple dedicated linux NAT firewalls, so zebra sounds pretty cool.
Slashdot has a certain range of geek-level associated with it. An article talking about how you can use this whole "ether-net" thing to connect your computers would be below the range, and a 200 page dissertation on quantum mechanics would probbaly be above the range. My point being that other people having done cooler-better things than you doesn't mean the slashdot crowd wouldn't find what you've done of interest.
So let me get this straight... you're questioning the credibility of NASA with a quote from... Sliders?
Are you going to question the credibility of the president from a quote from Hee-Haw next? Here's a hint. Try to make the authority be more solid than the thing you're trying to critisize.
I think it's pretty sad, and stupid to have a seperate english word for people of different nationalities in space. Somehow it gives a sense of seperation as if people of different nationalities are somehow different while in space.
The Russian word Cosmonaut made a little bit of sense since that's the Russian word for Astronaut. Taikonaut is just ridiculous, and I hope it dies quickly. The whole thing just sounds like cold-war politics to me.
Computers remember everything forever, humans remember maybe a few troublemakers for a limited amount of time. Computer memory is easy and perfect to copy, human memory is considerably more difficult to copy. People don't always have a lot of trust for human memory, whereas for some reason if the computer says it, it just must be true (computers don't make mistakes, right?).
Do you want to be kicked out of bars from here to Sri-Lanka that belong to Super-Corp because you have a similar name and face to someone that's been a problem at some bar in Pittsburgh? Computer databases like this are scary for a reason. How about a permanent record of how often you go to the bar that's sold to the highest bidder? This goes beyond the loyalty cards at supermarkets used for data mining and the like.
I agree with you, but I don't think complicated is a very descriptive word. Lots of things are complicated, but you don't always need to understand the complicated stuff to do most of what you have to do.
Ideally a system should follow the 80/20 rule. That is you can do 80% of what most people want to do by only learning 20% of the system. SQL is a good example of this. You can learn only a little bit of SQL and immediatlely put it to use. SQL only gets complicated when you need to do that last 20%.
In other words, a system can be complicated, but there are different ways to seperate out the complex parts from the simple parts. The goal is to end up with a system that's complicated when it needs to be, and simple at all other times.
Now, I'll qualify this by saying I don't know anything about CORBA or D-BUS, so I've no idea how this applies to the situation at hand. I just thought it might add something to the discussion.
Well, I don't think you can conclude that the SMP changes to the kernel are what's slowing down the 2.5 Uniprocessor performance vs 2.4 kernels. There are many other changes that took place (low latency and an improved scheduler come to mind) that aren't SMP related.
Obviously the SMP performance has been improved, and there was a lot of potential for improvements looking at the 8x test. Another way to interpret the results would be to say that the other changes decreased performance across the board on SMP and Uniprocessor systems. The SMP improvements in SMP machines more than made up for this added cost and improved raw performance on SMP machines.
Hopefully the performance loss on Uniprocessor machines can be decreased or eliminated. Even if it's not, I think you need to remember that raw performance isn't the be-all-end-all thing that's important. 7% is pretty small in the grand scheme of things where processing speed is doubling every 18 months. Responsiveness and better scheduling that doesn't starve processes is more important than a 7% performance decrease IMO, and you don't get that from faster processors.
So can someone tell me why the lsh project exists, and what advantages it offers? The perceived security advantage has evaporated with this real exploit vs openSSH's theoretical exploit. Beyond any idealogical GNU license masturbatory issues, why run lsh? Does it offer features that openSSH doesn't?
Java isn't really _that_ slow. There's a java SSH client I've used that runs as an applet that is small and fast. We aren't running 386s anymore, and encryption just doesn't take up that much processing power.
Maybe a C or C++ ssh daemon would take half the CPU time as one written in Java, but who cares when it's taking up less than 1% of the CPU? Memory and processor are cheap, having your system rooted is expensive.
In a proper environment a virus can't delete your email on the IMAP server. It can try to connect, but it doesn't know the password; and the MUA isn't scriptable for this very reason.
That's true of any environment. If a windows computer uses IMAP and doesn't store the password locally it can't delete your mail either.
The virus also can't email itself because the SMTP host on the network requires TLS and authorization to do that, and the virus is not in posession of the login credentials.
Who said you had to use the SMTP host on the network? Any old program that knows how can speak SMTP and mail itself out to the next victim. In fact from what the article says this virus knows how to speak SMTP. For an external MTA it's pretty hard for it to only accept SMTP sesions that use TLS as TLS is poorly supported across the internet. I know all my machines running an MTA don't have secure SMTP setup (I really don't like paying the $100 a year blood money to the damn certificate authorities).
I will agree that unix machines tend to be better administered, and are more likely to be patched better simply because the OS is less tied together and inter-dependant like windows is (and thus the huge service packs MS puts out). Take the latest openSSH patch for example. The changes were all back-ported to the version of OpenSSH running on a distribution+version. We also know exactly what changed (2 or 3 lines of code), and they're fairly simple changes. Vigourous testing of the patches isn't as pertinent as it is in the case of MS products, so patches will be applied more often.
How many pieces of software will have to be re-written because they rely on an error message being returned when a domain doesn't resolve? There's already the afformentioned anti-spam software, I have to believe there's a ton more that haven't even been thought of yet.
I think if anything takes this dispicable practice down it'll be the legal system, or the threats of legal action.
So you're saying that people won't spend the money that they spend on telemarketing products on something else? I'm sorry, but the junk sold by telemarketers doesn't make anyone work more efficiently, or produce any greater economic activity. In fact, everyone would likely be a bit happier and maybe more productive if the telemarketers dropped off the face of the planet since people aren't being interrupted at dinner time by telemarketing.
Telemarketing jobs are dead-end low pay jobs. Losing these jobs wouldn't be like losing good paying jobs in a major industry like the auto-industry. Furthermore the advertising money that's currently going to telemarketing companies will just go to other promotional sources. Maybe some of that will be internet advertising, which would help a certain segment of geeks out their that do web development? Maybe not... The point is that telemarketing isn't a particularly great part of the economy that wouldn't be quickly replaced by some other industry.
Volkswagon lately has a reputation for poor quality. All the car survey sites I've read have backed this up, and consumer reports lists several of their cars on the "do no buy" list. It's pretty sad that VW makes crappy cars these days, they used to be great quality. Maybe the diesel VWs are the exception, but I'd personally stear clear of VW for the time being.
I've been having an intense aching pain in the left side of my chest for the last few hours. I also feel a tightness in my chest,and some nausea. Over the past few months I've become winded walking up a flight of stairs. I've got some experience with medicine, as I treated myself for a cold a couple times with rest and chicken soup. I'm on a really tight budget, but Heart Pain For Dummies isn't really helpfull. What do all you "I can do anything and everything" slashdot types do when you have frightening medical symptoms?
Umm.. this is a machine from Dell, dumbass, not a wallmart machine for $200. I could build a quality machine with very good parts for even cheaper than $800. You can go back to your fantasy world now.
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but it also owns some of the most respected including Fox News and Sky News
Umm.. Fox News is respected? That's news to me. Somehow falsely reporting that WMD have been found in Iraq every 5 minutes doesn't get you a lot of respect. Neither does threatening to sue The Simpsons for making fun of Fox News. Or how about suing Al Franken for trademark violations of the phrase "Fair and Balanced"? Fox News is many things, but a respected news organization is not one of them.
I know about nothing about Sky News, but given Murdochs record I'd be awfully surprised if they had a shill of credibility.
Isn't the NY Post one of the least respected papers in the US? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that Murdochs newspapers were nothing but trash. You could probbably say they're just below slashdot in the reliability of articles which appear in them ;).
We could easily, permanently end the situation in Iraq. Sweep 500,000 troops through the country, shooting everyone they encounter. Or simply nuke it.We can't do these things for obvious political reasons
Wow, you truly scare me saying that not shooting everyone in the country, or nuking Iraq is simply a "political problem". I understand what you're getting at, but it sounds as if you're trivializing the deaths of millions of people.
You'd probbably be right.. if this was a court document. This document was obtained via the Freedom Of Information Act, which has very specific circumstances in which requests can be denied, and what information can be withhelf.
You can read about all the excemptions and exclusions allowed by law for FOIA requests here.
Most of which have to deal with national security, privacy, business secrets, endangering an ongoing law enforcement investigation, etc. As far as I can tell none of these exclusions/excemptions apply to what was hidden.
Dude, you run a porn aggregating site. You have a serious credibility problem on this subject.
I'm really curious. Why does running a porn aggregating site give you a credibility problem on getting laid? Do you think porn is morally corrupt, and therefore the guy has no credibility? Or do you just think porn websites are generally run by sleezy spamming bastards?
Of course if Redhat is simply charging $149 for the service of being able to download their distro and aren't looking to prevent you from installing it on as many systems as you'd like (sans support obviously), then I'll be more than happy to pay the money to get those ISO images
This is the question I had. The sales guy on the phone said this is exactly what they're doing. It's still open source software, so you can install it on as many machines as you want, but you can't buy one support contract and install the updates on 100 machines. They still have to provide the source for the updates of course. So you could DL each source update RPM and compile it yourself.
I'd encourage you to call them though. For 100 machines they may have a better option for you (they also have some kind of satelite service where you can sort of create your own distribution and updates).
Yeah, this is all perfectly legal. Installing any updates however you get from subscribing to the updates service, violates your RHN contract.
Essentially Redhat is selling the support, and a guarantee to support a RHEL product for 5 years after its release.
No, I wouldn't. Most of these presentations are duller than paint drying, and I've seen video of ones I was interested in.
Hmmm.. Maybe you'd only been exposed to the poor quality presentations. I've gone to the Nobel Conference for the past 4 years and the ratio of interesting/boring is somewhere from 60%-70%. I think that's pretty damn good considering the wide range of topics at the conference (everything from ecomomics to evolution). The nobel conference is a 2 day yearly event where some of the top people in branch, or branches of science and at least one nobel laureate come to talk on a particular science topic.
Granted the Nobel conference isn't just random scientists speaking, but a science channel certainly would pick out the cream of the crop too. They could certainly make arrangements to air the Nobel Conference every year, as well as video of past conferences. There's really tons of good content out their that's fairly accessible to the average person interested in science.
Quite frankly I think it's inevitable that a channel dedicated to science is created as more and more bandwidth becomes available for more and more different cable/satelite channels. The only question is when it will happen. I hope soon.
Umm, Windows is stable now -- Win9X is back in 199x. We're in 200X now Yah, that's why I reboot my windows 2000 machine every 2 weeks because of patches. That's also why when I was running XP the machine crashed once a week (turned out to be an Nvidia sound driver problem). The crashes and instability seemed to go away when I went back to Win2K, but the "reboot from every patch" problem hasn't. When I regularly see uptimes of 2 months or more, and have the possibility of my machine being up for a year I'll consider Windows "stable" And that may be why Linux hasn't been the breakout hit of user's desktop's everywhere -- because they're adding features that developers want, not regular users... That may be part of the reason, but quite honestly I think distributions have become very useable. The bigger reason is just legacy software issues, and less hardware support. Every business has some legacy software product they're loathe to move away from that only works on Windows.
It is not at all clear that the credibility of our current president *is* any better than that of a representative random quote from Hee-Haw.
Oh I tend to agree. But a US president in general has more credibility than Hee-Haw. That is, you can't come up to someone and say "guess what I heard on Hee-Haw" and expect anyone to take you seriously. Whereas you could actually say "The president said blah" and expect a decent percentage of the populace to give the quote some credence.
As for the Hee-Haw, W comparison, it was the first thing that popped into my mind since in my estimation the two are about on an equal footing
Now should I go about writing a slashdot article on this?
Maybe. I didn't know about Zebra before the linked article, and now I do. The furthest I've gone with any high-level networking so far is just simple dedicated linux NAT firewalls, so zebra sounds pretty cool.
Slashdot has a certain range of geek-level associated with it. An article talking about how you can use this whole "ether-net" thing to connect your computers would be below the range, and a 200 page dissertation on quantum mechanics would probbaly be above the range. My point being that other people having done cooler-better things than you doesn't mean the slashdot crowd wouldn't find what you've done of interest.
So let me get this straight... you're questioning the credibility of NASA with a quote from... Sliders?
Are you going to question the credibility of the president from a quote from Hee-Haw next? Here's a hint. Try to make the authority be more solid than the thing you're trying to critisize.
I think it's pretty sad, and stupid to have a seperate english word for people of different nationalities in space. Somehow it gives a sense of seperation as if people of different nationalities are somehow different while in space.
The Russian word Cosmonaut made a little bit of sense since that's the Russian word for Astronaut. Taikonaut is just ridiculous, and I hope it dies quickly. The whole thing just sounds like cold-war politics to me.
Rosalind Franklin was dead when the Nobel for DNA was given. Only living people may receive the Nobel prize.
Well, except for a few differences:
Computers remember everything forever, humans remember maybe a few troublemakers for a limited amount of time. Computer memory is easy and perfect to copy, human memory is considerably more difficult to copy. People don't always have a lot of trust for human memory, whereas for some reason if the computer says it, it just must be true (computers don't make mistakes, right?).
Do you want to be kicked out of bars from here to Sri-Lanka that belong to Super-Corp because you have a similar name and face to someone that's been a problem at some bar in Pittsburgh? Computer databases like this are scary for a reason. How about a permanent record of how often you go to the bar that's sold to the highest bidder? This goes beyond the loyalty cards at supermarkets used for data mining and the like.
I agree with you, but I don't think complicated is a very descriptive word. Lots of things are complicated, but you don't always need to understand the complicated stuff to do most of what you have to do.
Ideally a system should follow the 80/20 rule. That is you can do 80% of what most people want to do by only learning 20% of the system. SQL is a good example of this. You can learn only a little bit of SQL and immediatlely put it to use. SQL only gets complicated when you need to do that last 20%.
In other words, a system can be complicated, but there are different ways to seperate out the complex parts from the simple parts. The goal is to end up with a system that's complicated when it needs to be, and simple at all other times.
Now, I'll qualify this by saying I don't know anything about CORBA or D-BUS, so I've no idea how this applies to the situation at hand. I just thought it might add something to the discussion.
Well, I don't think you can conclude that the SMP changes to the kernel are what's slowing down the 2.5 Uniprocessor performance vs 2.4 kernels. There are many other changes that took place (low latency and an improved scheduler come to mind) that aren't SMP related.
Obviously the SMP performance has been improved, and there was a lot of potential for improvements looking at the 8x test. Another way to interpret the results would be to say that the other changes decreased performance across the board on SMP and Uniprocessor systems. The SMP improvements in SMP machines more than made up for this added cost and improved raw performance on SMP machines.
Hopefully the performance loss on Uniprocessor machines can be decreased or eliminated. Even if it's not, I think you need to remember that raw performance isn't the be-all-end-all thing that's important. 7% is pretty small in the grand scheme of things where processing speed is doubling every 18 months. Responsiveness and better scheduling that doesn't starve processes is more important than a 7% performance decrease IMO, and you don't get that from faster processors.
So can someone tell me why the lsh project exists, and what advantages it offers? The perceived security advantage has evaporated with this real exploit vs openSSH's theoretical exploit. Beyond any idealogical GNU license masturbatory issues, why run lsh? Does it offer features that openSSH doesn't?
Java isn't really _that_ slow. There's a java SSH client I've used that runs as an applet that is small and fast. We aren't running 386s anymore, and encryption just doesn't take up that much processing power.
Maybe a C or C++ ssh daemon would take half the CPU time as one written in Java, but who cares when it's taking up less than 1% of the CPU? Memory and processor are cheap, having your system rooted is expensive.
That's true of any environment. If a windows computer uses IMAP and doesn't store the password locally it can't delete your mail either.
Who said you had to use the SMTP host on the network? Any old program that knows how can speak SMTP and mail itself out to the next victim. In fact from what the article says this virus knows how to speak SMTP. For an external MTA it's pretty hard for it to only accept SMTP sesions that use TLS as TLS is poorly supported across the internet. I know all my machines running an MTA don't have secure SMTP setup (I really don't like paying the $100 a year blood money to the damn certificate authorities).
I will agree that unix machines tend to be better administered, and are more likely to be patched better simply because the OS is less tied together and inter-dependant like windows is (and thus the huge service packs MS puts out). Take the latest openSSH patch for example. The changes were all back-ported to the version of OpenSSH running on a distribution+version. We also know exactly what changed (2 or 3 lines of code), and they're fairly simple changes. Vigourous testing of the patches isn't as pertinent as it is in the case of MS products, so patches will be applied more often.
How many pieces of software will have to be re-written because they rely on an error message being returned when a domain doesn't resolve? There's already the afformentioned anti-spam software, I have to believe there's a ton more that haven't even been thought of yet.
I think if anything takes this dispicable practice down it'll be the legal system, or the threats of legal action.
So you're saying that people won't spend the money that they spend on telemarketing products on something else? I'm sorry, but the junk sold by telemarketers doesn't make anyone work more efficiently, or produce any greater economic activity. In fact, everyone would likely be a bit happier and maybe more productive if the telemarketers dropped off the face of the planet since people aren't being interrupted at dinner time by telemarketing.
Telemarketing jobs are dead-end low pay jobs. Losing these jobs wouldn't be like losing good paying jobs in a major industry like the auto-industry. Furthermore the advertising money that's currently going to telemarketing companies will just go to other promotional sources. Maybe some of that will be internet advertising, which would help a certain segment of geeks out their that do web development? Maybe not... The point is that telemarketing isn't a particularly great part of the economy that wouldn't be quickly replaced by some other industry.
Volkswagon lately has a reputation for poor quality. All the car survey sites I've read have backed this up, and consumer reports lists several of their cars on the "do no buy" list. It's pretty sad that VW makes crappy cars these days, they used to be great quality. Maybe the diesel VWs are the exception, but I'd personally stear clear of VW for the time being.
Hubris writes:
I've been having an intense aching pain in the left side of my chest for the last few hours. I also feel a tightness in my chest,and some nausea. Over the past few months I've become winded walking up a flight of stairs. I've got some experience with medicine, as I treated myself for a cold a couple times with rest and chicken soup. I'm on a really tight budget, but Heart Pain For Dummies isn't really helpfull. What do all you "I can do anything and everything" slashdot types do when you have frightening medical symptoms?
Umm.. this is a machine from Dell, dumbass, not a wallmart machine for $200. I could build a quality machine with very good parts for even cheaper than $800. You can go back to your fantasy world now.