That's crazy talk...that borders on that whole antiquated "Innocent until proven guilty" idea. It's far more efficient to spend heaps of resources which doubtlessly wouldn't be needed anywhere else to upset someone's life when there's even a hint of trouble until they're proven innocent. Then, of course, after they are proven innocent they must be reprimanded with a stern "Don't do it again" and perhaps have various parts of their lives essentially destroyed without compensation. That's the American way, that's the ideology that we fight to impose upon other cultures.
Alright so that's a bit one sided...but a couple steps back towards the balance that we had as a people (at some point...I'm thinking just before the Cold War/super power thing) certainly wouldn't hurt.
Beyond the lack of specialized apps I've also increasingly noticed lately the lack of polish upon some of the standard office apps. The too often downside of hacker-written software seems to be that no time is spent making those little areas of programs that are easily customizable through hacking easily customizable through a user friendly interface. Now that much of this software should have since reached maturity, it unfortunately shows a strong advantage to commercially developed software from the perspective of most EUs. The most polished software seems to only come from commercially backed open source projects.
I think that the division that most hurts Linux isn't the fragmenting into distributions, but the fragmenting into individual projects. There seem to be endless amounts of people reinventing the wheel and filling categories of open source software with half written apps, rather than contributing to existing projects and helping to make them the best in class. The open source methodology of cooperation needs to be applied more strongly to the higher level projects that seem to be left as pet projects.
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And I suppose you have the exact same computer as him?
The Segways are going to all hit a big rock and loose their power, stranding a bunch of lazy people in some uncharted area of Chicago (beware the natives), perhaps a mile or more from known civilization. Since none are brave enough to walk the grueling distance back, they will concoct elaborate schemes to get back, which will invariably be foiled by the bumbling assistant tour guide. Coming soon to a TV near you.
I think you're just interpretting it as over the top, perhaps getting a little too defensive. Looking at the incredibly brief history of the Internet and the already widespread impact of the increasingly virtually instant propgation of information, all the things we're doing now will seem primitive 10 years from now (and open source is of course inextricably linked with that). He's not denouncing the importance of the progress so far, he's just saying that it grows exponentially and as grand as things may seem now, they will be dwarfed in no time.
I think the impact of the article will be very esoteric, and it will have basically the same effect as all the other open-source bashing articles before it. Since it's mainstream it may be read by some executive type people and they may acquire a bias, but mostly those people rely on the nerds to make the decisions and any able nerd would read through the article, weighing the perceived bad things about GNOME against the virtues. So, in the end, you're left where you started, with people that like GNOME and people that don't, with no more than usual shift in the numbers.
I think it's obviously because we're not paying enough attention to what our dogs are saying. They must have valuable technological insights that just remain untranslated in the US.
I love how the translator is so non-chalantly inserted into the list of features in the review.
You kindly ask them to send a different format, but you have to look at it from the standpoint of the average user, who doesn't want to have to deal with that stuff. The fact is that MS Office documents have become somewhat of a standard in the business community and you can't hope to attain widespread use with software unless those formats are handled easily. This is just another step in being about to easily transition people to linux, it's not a step forward in development. As far as "better products" go, most people that care about that wouldn't be using MS Office to begin with.
Not to mention the fact that most programming languages have very similar basic structure, so if you are familiar with and are able to quickly reference a wide variety of lanugages, your versatility improves and often the programs themselves since you can write specific parts in the language best suited to the task at hand.
another possible explanation:
Did they check in the couch cushions? That's where I always lose stuff like remote controls and change, both of which are chock full of matter.
Maybe next time, when you're reading some text to yourself, and then apparently just listening to yourself without thinking too much, you should realize that if you want to know how to spell something that you just read to yourself...you just read it to yourself.
The releasing of v1.0 is of course a somewhat arbitrary decision. I think what is implied is that the program should originally be written with clarity and reusability in mind, then after an initial version is completed, any bottlenecks should be optimized (for me that happens well before v1. Saving a half a second on a routine that runs once in a while can be delayed for a while if not indefinitely, but code that is passed through a million times every time the program is used will benefit immensely from even the slightest tweak.
Oh come on....NET or Java programs running slow? That's impossible. Next thing you're going to try to tell me is that they take up unnecessary resources too.
I don't feel the need to regularly reformat and re-install linux or unix based systems. My primary motivation for doing it in Windows is that considering the registry and the other tangled parts of the structure (like file interdependencies), it takes less time to re-install then to actually clean or optimize manually. With *nix based systems, all the things are cleanly laid out and manageable, and I spend a decent amount of time tweaking things which I wouldn't want to have to redo, particularly since there should never be a reason that it would need to be redone. I'd think considering the aura around uptime, the general feeling among the community is similar.
That's not exactly non-conformist. There are plenty of other projects which have permeated the linux community (and are very trusted in it) which have yet to reach version 1, most a lot older than GAIM (Sylpheed, Blackbox) and others which took a long time before making the change. Version numbers are more often a marketing thing than a programming one (which focuses more on revision or build numbers), and in projects which aren't after money, there's little point in worrying about it. It does seem like it would be a good step (maybe after v0.99) the way the project is maturing, though then maintaining stability and growth becomes a greater balancing act.
Yeah, but he's not talking about a particular feature or bug that's bothering him. He's talking about the decision to change the major version number, that's something out of the realm of the majority of contributors.
Yeah, all you'd need to do to solve that particular problem is somehow wrest control from the maintainer of the project or just convince him to change a decision which was made with a hell of a lot more meditation than some petty want. Open-source allows everyone to contribute, it doesn't allow people to stroll in and casually change the way things are done...why not just rename the project too, perhaps in your image. (This is all directed at the immediate parent, not the original message).
Some people just have better things to do than spend their time on the Internet. I've dealt with about as fast of Internet connections as they come, and I don't have a problem with dial-up (which I was just using for a month). Once the novelty os the speed wore off, the vast majority of information I deal with over the Internet is either text, or something that I'm willing to just have download in the background while I do something else...normally something far more productive than getting sucked into wasting my time on things like/..
Genre fiction is a type of literature, and trying to actually seperate one from the other is a fool's errand. Some of the most influential writers in history (Stevenson, Dumas, Cooper...) were considered junk writers in their time, and some people still do, but their impact is still present on the higher forms of literature. This isn't about putting IF in a class equal to well written novels, it's simply about recognizing it as a form of writing, and a piece in the greater picture of literature. Serious literature classes still study stupid serials and so forth because they can provide the clearest examples of literary techniques, and IF can occupy the same places as that type of work. Don't argue about semantics.
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That's crazy talk...that borders on that whole antiquated "Innocent until proven guilty" idea. It's far more efficient to spend heaps of resources which doubtlessly wouldn't be needed anywhere else to upset someone's life when there's even a hint of trouble until they're proven innocent. Then, of course, after they are proven innocent they must be reprimanded with a stern "Don't do it again" and perhaps have various parts of their lives essentially destroyed without compensation. That's the American way, that's the ideology that we fight to impose upon other cultures.
Alright so that's a bit one sided...but a couple steps back towards the balance that we had as a people (at some point...I'm thinking just before the Cold War/super power thing) certainly wouldn't hurt.
Beyond the lack of specialized apps I've also increasingly noticed lately the lack of polish upon some of the standard office apps. The too often downside of hacker-written software seems to be that no time is spent making those little areas of programs that are easily customizable through hacking easily customizable through a user friendly interface. Now that much of this software should have since reached maturity, it unfortunately shows a strong advantage to commercially developed software from the perspective of most EUs. The most polished software seems to only come from commercially backed open source projects.
I think that the division that most hurts Linux isn't the fragmenting into distributions, but the fragmenting into individual projects. There seem to be endless amounts of people reinventing the wheel and filling categories of open source software with half written apps, rather than contributing to existing projects and helping to make them the best in class. The open source methodology of cooperation needs to be applied more strongly to the higher level projects that seem to be left as pet projects.
And I suppose you have the exact same computer as him?
The Segways are going to all hit a big rock and loose their power, stranding a bunch of lazy people in some uncharted area of Chicago (beware the natives), perhaps a mile or more from known civilization. Since none are brave enough to walk the grueling distance back, they will concoct elaborate schemes to get back, which will invariably be foiled by the bumbling assistant tour guide. Coming soon to a TV near you.
Yeah...I can't imagine a movie that's influenced by or a knock-off of James Bond would be successful....
I think you're just interpretting it as over the top, perhaps getting a little too defensive. Looking at the incredibly brief history of the Internet and the already widespread impact of the increasingly virtually instant propgation of information, all the things we're doing now will seem primitive 10 years from now (and open source is of course inextricably linked with that). He's not denouncing the importance of the progress so far, he's just saying that it grows exponentially and as grand as things may seem now, they will be dwarfed in no time.
I think the impact of the article will be very esoteric, and it will have basically the same effect as all the other open-source bashing articles before it. Since it's mainstream it may be read by some executive type people and they may acquire a bias, but mostly those people rely on the nerds to make the decisions and any able nerd would read through the article, weighing the perceived bad things about GNOME against the virtues. So, in the end, you're left where you started, with people that like GNOME and people that don't, with no more than usual shift in the numbers.
I think it's obviously because we're not paying enough attention to what our dogs are saying. They must have valuable technological insights that just remain untranslated in the US.
I love how the translator is so non-chalantly inserted into the list of features in the review.
Nothing more offtopic than responding to a line in the topic.
I'd rather read the second half first, then the first half can be like a prequel.
You kindly ask them to send a different format, but you have to look at it from the standpoint of the average user, who doesn't want to have to deal with that stuff. The fact is that MS Office documents have become somewhat of a standard in the business community and you can't hope to attain widespread use with software unless those formats are handled easily. This is just another step in being about to easily transition people to linux, it's not a step forward in development. As far as "better products" go, most people that care about that wouldn't be using MS Office to begin with.
And all this time I thought they were creating links to other sites before the pages were actually created.
Not to mention the fact that most programming languages have very similar basic structure, so if you are familiar with and are able to quickly reference a wide variety of lanugages, your versatility improves and often the programs themselves since you can write specific parts in the language best suited to the task at hand.
another possible explanation: Did they check in the couch cushions? That's where I always lose stuff like remote controls and change, both of which are chock full of matter.
Maybe next time, when you're reading some text to yourself, and then apparently just listening to yourself without thinking too much, you should realize that if you want to know how to spell something that you just read to yourself...you just read it to yourself.
Just imagine the comments said in a nice Ben Steinesque voice.
The releasing of v1.0 is of course a somewhat arbitrary decision. I think what is implied is that the program should originally be written with clarity and reusability in mind, then after an initial version is completed, any bottlenecks should be optimized (for me that happens well before v1. Saving a half a second on a routine that runs once in a while can be delayed for a while if not indefinitely, but code that is passed through a million times every time the program is used will benefit immensely from even the slightest tweak.
Oh come on....NET or Java programs running slow? That's impossible. Next thing you're going to try to tell me is that they take up unnecessary resources too.
I don't feel the need to regularly reformat and re-install linux or unix based systems. My primary motivation for doing it in Windows is that considering the registry and the other tangled parts of the structure (like file interdependencies), it takes less time to re-install then to actually clean or optimize manually. With *nix based systems, all the things are cleanly laid out and manageable, and I spend a decent amount of time tweaking things which I wouldn't want to have to redo, particularly since there should never be a reason that it would need to be redone. I'd think considering the aura around uptime, the general feeling among the community is similar.
That's not exactly non-conformist. There are plenty of other projects which have permeated the linux community (and are very trusted in it) which have yet to reach version 1, most a lot older than GAIM (Sylpheed, Blackbox) and others which took a long time before making the change. Version numbers are more often a marketing thing than a programming one (which focuses more on revision or build numbers), and in projects which aren't after money, there's little point in worrying about it. It does seem like it would be a good step (maybe after v0.99) the way the project is maturing, though then maintaining stability and growth becomes a greater balancing act.
Yeah, but he's not talking about a particular feature or bug that's bothering him. He's talking about the decision to change the major version number, that's something out of the realm of the majority of contributors.
Yeah, all you'd need to do to solve that particular problem is somehow wrest control from the maintainer of the project or just convince him to change a decision which was made with a hell of a lot more meditation than some petty want. Open-source allows everyone to contribute, it doesn't allow people to stroll in and casually change the way things are done...why not just rename the project too, perhaps in your image. (This is all directed at the immediate parent, not the original message).
I think that movie has a great moral to it...apparently theme park rides make better movies than video games.
Some people just have better things to do than spend their time on the Internet. I've dealt with about as fast of Internet connections as they come, and I don't have a problem with dial-up (which I was just using for a month). Once the novelty os the speed wore off, the vast majority of information I deal with over the Internet is either text, or something that I'm willing to just have download in the background while I do something else...normally something far more productive than getting sucked into wasting my time on things like /..
Genre fiction is a type of literature, and trying to actually seperate one from the other is a fool's errand. Some of the most influential writers in history (Stevenson, Dumas, Cooper...) were considered junk writers in their time, and some people still do, but their impact is still present on the higher forms of literature. This isn't about putting IF in a class equal to well written novels, it's simply about recognizing it as a form of writing, and a piece in the greater picture of literature. Serious literature classes still study stupid serials and so forth because they can provide the clearest examples of literary techniques, and IF can occupy the same places as that type of work. Don't argue about semantics.