Wow, since 9/11, just about anyone can take anything and use it as an example of "imperialistic" America and how we are the reason for every woe in this world today.
You may have just pointed out something most people here in slashdot don't get.
Free speech does not mean that a publisher, or a company like google is required to publish or make available whatever garbage you wish to publish.
Free speech means that YOU can spend YOUR resources (i.e. money, time) and speak or publish your own garbage. One great way to do that is to put it on the web. You can stand on the corner and pass out business cards with the url on it all day long. That doesn't mean Google is required to.
It's not anti-choice. Pro-life people think that it's wrong to murder a human baby. Pro-choice people think that a womans choice overrides the human baby's right to life.
If a doctor held up a newly born baby and slit it's throat, He'd probably get the death penalty.
If a doctor, just a few months earlier uses a tool to scrape pieces of that same child out of the womb it's a celebrated action of individual choice?
Now, which action is hate. To wish a human baby has the same rights you do, or to celebrate the fact that a woman can murder her own child? WHICH IS REALLY THE HATE HERE?
Selfish, self-adsorbed, tunnel-vision, people like you who truly do hateful things to other people make me angry.
At least your opinion takes the real world into account. Even if I disagree with you, I can respect you for putting some thought into it instead of repeating the same old tired bullsh*t.
Are you honestly naive enough to think that because you are nice and friendly enough, the mean people of the world will leave you alone?
Think back... did the bullies in school only pick only the evil mean kids? Or on the quiet nice kids who never bothered anyone?
It's a funny world that we live in where you can accept our protection and our economic success in one hand and slap us with other for having the same.
Instead of blaming the US for the world's problems, why don't you be thankful that you live in an isolated god forsaken frozen area of the word and are somewhat insulated from real problems the rest of us have. All you have to worry about is making sure that everyone in your country equally gets the same poor healthcare, not protecting yourself or your allies.
They are putting an ex-intelligence agent on trail and they wish to keep national secrets that may come to light from being exposed. This is "insidious"?
You are an idiot if you think that the media has a right to know something that puts a country or an agent of a country in danger. The media *DOES NOT* have the right to know every last little secret about a country, where it's nukes are stored and what those firing codes are.
You can't satisfy these kind of people. They hate the "man" and blame him for every little problem a mom and pop store has. They hate successful companies and prefer to lift up the failures. It's stupid. I can imagine their own lives, full of failures. Instead of meeting a challenge and being innovative and creative, they bitch and moan about how the "man", be that Microsoft, Starbucks, etc., has stolen what they deserved.
I like Starbucks coffee and I'm extremely glad that they opened a store close to me. The only other coffe shop close by isn't all that great.
You know, you'll be waiting for a long time. Not only do I *not* care whether they are in the real-estate or the porn business for that matter, I doubt many other people care either.
If the smaller shops are getting pushed out by Starbucks, maybe they need to get on the ball and attact more customers? What universal law says that a small mom and pop store that opens up will be successfull? Or even that they have a constitutional right to be successful? It's not as if the Starbucks-run mafia is threatening them to sell their businesses if they know what's good for them. If people go to starbucks instead of the local mom and pop place, who's fault is it?
Why do you hate the successful company love the failure? Because they aren't owned by the "man"? That hippie crap is so old...
No, institutional violence was the correct way to say it. The CEO was obviously an idiot and wanted "revenge" on the person who sent him the virus.. misplaced or not.
If the usual suspects were "sinners", then Franklin also being a suspect really isn't all that unusual. He was not well liked by many church leaders, who already considered him heretical because of his tendency to spread inventions to the public that helped them evade "god's wrath".
Got any quotes or references for this? I take offence at the idea that "many" of the church leaders didn't like Franklin's inventive side because they felt it was God's sole purpose to run around and punish the hell out of people.. literally.
Me thinks that the slashdot editors enjoy villifying John Ashcroft whenever they get the chance. Why not simply say the department of justice instead of Ashcroft? Whether it's Ashcroft or Santa Claus sitting in that office, his responsibility is to uphold whatever laws that congress enact, whether he likes them or not.
If this was a real news site, I might be angry at the obvious bias.
I don't pick and choose what science to understand. I specifically choose not to believe the theories put forth by evolutionists. It has little to do with comprehension and all to do with logic and a conscious decision to ignore refutable evidence and weak theory.
Environmental science, if you can even call it science, and nutritional science are two other areas that I tend to disagree with the majority of popular opinion on. I've looked at their arguments, looked at the counter-arguments, observed things myself and chose what to believe.
I disagree with your point about there being different versions of the Bible. There is only one version, the version canonized by the early church. It's been translated into many languages, but there is only one version. The catholic bible, the koran, whatever text you might be referring to, I do not consider those to be the same thing. Even if they contain similar portions.
That said, even if you think there are several different versions, why bother to believe in any of them. If they are all politicised works pieced together by man, with human error, might you just be wasting your time attempting to live a christian life? I mean, you are only going to be here for a short period of time, why bother going to the trouble and denying yourself the things others would say make life worth while? If you don't absolutely believe in the bible as it is written, how can you even be certain that it's not all full of lies and deceit?
Did you consider the possiblity that he didn't want you to live forever? God doesn't exist to be your slave and cater to your every whim.
How strong do you want your bones to be? Enough to take 100,000,000,000,000 tons of force? What's the point?
Solar energy? Most of the plants on this planet do that.. he chose a different method for us.
Don't really know how to respond to the last question. We create life every day by procreation. I'm pretty sure there isn't an 11th commandment that says "Thou shalt not create life."
In short, to creationists I say, "Science is not evil; it is a tool by which your God can teach you about yourselves and the world around you." To anti-faith bigots, I say, "Not every theist believes that it is his god's wish for him to be a simpleton."
Most creationist believe that God is the ultimate scientist. Science is a great thing.. no one is arguing against science or advancement. My opinion that evolutionary science is flakey at best. It's mass of unprovable theories. Believe if you wish, I choose not too.
I think real science is more interesting. Medical science, micro-biology, mathematics, quantum physics. Give me that stuff over evolutionary science every day.
Wow, you really haven't thought this out well have you?
Mosquitoes are a food source (as are we). Ever hear of the food chain? It's important to the survival of this world.
Pain is a great thing. If I cut myself, I want to know about it so that I can stop the beeding. Would you rather bleed to death because you never knew you were cut? If I fracture my arm, I can feel the pain and have it fixed. If I didn't feel it.. no telling what sort of infection would set in and I'd possibly lose my arm.
Hunger, thirst... isn't this obvious? Our bodies need food and water as fuel. The hunger pains and thirst are indications that our bodies are running out of fuel.
Evil is simply disobeying God. We create evil by disobeying God. Logically work that out with any thing you consider evil and it will always go back to disobeying God. Murdering someone is evil? The Bible says don't murder. Stealing something is evil? The Bible says don't steal.
West Nile virus... I can't explain.. population control? Maybe it's been created from something humans did? Who knows. I don't have the answers to everything.. of course.. neither does an evolutionist.
"Rather than responding to my joke dialogue by mistrepresenting the views of evolutionists, you might like to answer the points raised by it."
Ok.. I'll give it a go:
What is a Creationist?
A Creationist believes that living things were designed and created by God, rather than a process such as evolution.
Correct answer.
So God is a designer and creator?
Yes, this is fundamental to the beliefs of Creationists
Correct again. Many also like to think that God is the greatest scientist in the universe.
You said God was a designer and creator. Why?
Because he wanted to. Why do we create art? Why do we own cats and dogs and treat them like children? It's a simliar idea, though that's putting it in a very simple way.
What's he do it for?
See the last answer.
So this invisible and unexplainable thing you call God created all living creatures, but you can't explain why?
See the last two answers.
And you think that's a more sensible explanation of life on Earth than evoluton?
Yes, I look at the utter unimaginable complexity and perfectness of every single living thing here on this planet and can't imagine it being done by chance. Everything works in perfect unison to provide what each species of flora and fauna needs to survive and flourish.
So what about the fossil record? Did God create that?
Fossil record? Carbon dating is not accurate. Because of this, many times scientists will use the flora in a layer of rock to help date the fauna and vise versa. That's called circular reasoning and an unsound way to derive fact.
Christians believe that a world wide flood took place around 9000 to 10000 years ago. This is how much of the fossil record has been created. A very quick deluge of water and mud is the perfect way to create such a huge amount of fossils (and there are a *lot* of fossils) and leave them in such an intact state buried in mud and rock. It also helps to explain the various sedimentary layers and other geological phenominon on this planet.
We've all heard that a million monkeys, banging on a million typewriters, would eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare
This has been disproven time and time again. Please stop saying this. It's stupid. The word "Eventualy" implies forever, but the evolutionary process as many scientist believe has not been taking place forever.
Seriously.. stop say that stupid statment.
Mutated genes = scientific precision? Come on...
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Two points here:
Even if the destruction of the proteins that help restrict gene mutations were all destroyed. Is it really possible for a mutated gene or even one million randomly mutated genes to have the scientific precision to create the kind of defensive system that the Bombardier Beetle has? I seriously doubt it. It looks more to me that a scientist of sorts has created this insect.
Second point: Isn't it strange that in a world governed by evolution that the fauna here actually have developed proteins to restrict the mutation of genes? It would seem that evolutionary process would revel in the mutation of genes since it advances life?
Sometimes it feels like evolutionists are the Emporer and His New Clothes.
Oh and another quick point. The government is not the local economy. It can support the economy by paving roads and offering protection (police officers), but it is not the economy. That's made up of the businesses and the consumers.
Why should any state government automatically make money from an economic exchange taking place between you and another business or individual (as it is on eBay)? They don't drive the economy, you and the business do.
That's not true. Taxes siphon money from the local economy. A business never, EVER siphons money from the local economy by selling anything. He had to have bought and paid tax on that product somewhere, he has employees (possibly), he pays income taxes, he pays all sorts of taxes on resources used to sell those items. (Phone, electricity, gasoline, etc.) In addition to acutally paying the companies that supply those resources. He pays money to his local post office or package carrier to deliver the items. The list goes on.
Just because someone in another state doesn't pay sales tax, it doesn't mean it's bad for any local economy.
This is siphoning money from my local economy to another state. My local government (State, County, District) has made no money, while I have spent my disposable income. While this is not robbing my local economy, it does not help it in any way. Potholes on streets will go unfixed, fewer policeman will be there to help, and state employees will have to do more with less in general, because the funds are less than expected. All from a simple ebay [ebay.com] purchase.
It's highly questionable that taxes could ever be a necessary evil concerning the Internet.
Is there some service the goverment is paying for that isn't paid for by taxes already in place?
It's a ridiculous idea to invent a tax for the sake of inventing tax. There should always be a damned good reason to take money away from citizens. The less taxes that are levied on citizens, the more freedom we have.
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Wow, since 9/11, just about anyone can take anything and use it as an example of "imperialistic" America and how we are the reason for every woe in this world today.
Kudos...
You may have just pointed out something most people here in slashdot don't get.
Free speech does not mean that a publisher, or a company like google is required to publish or make available whatever garbage you wish to publish.
Free speech means that YOU can spend YOUR resources (i.e. money, time) and speak or publish your own garbage. One great way to do that is to put it on the web. You can stand on the corner and pass out business cards with the url on it all day long. That doesn't mean Google is required to.
It's not anti-choice. Pro-life people think that it's wrong to murder a human baby. Pro-choice people think that a womans choice overrides the human baby's right to life.
If a doctor held up a newly born baby and slit it's throat, He'd probably get the death penalty.
If a doctor, just a few months earlier uses a tool to scrape pieces of that same child out of the womb it's a celebrated action of individual choice?
Now, which action is hate. To wish a human baby has the same rights you do, or to celebrate the fact that a woman can murder her own child? WHICH IS REALLY THE HATE HERE?
Selfish, self-adsorbed, tunnel-vision, people like you who truly do hateful things to other people make me angry.
Slow news day? This is all you have to post?
At least your opinion takes the real world into account. Even if I disagree with you, I can respect you for putting some thought into it instead of repeating the same old tired bullsh*t.
Are you honestly naive enough to think that because you are nice and friendly enough, the mean people of the world will leave you alone?
Think back... did the bullies in school only pick only the evil mean kids? Or on the quiet nice kids who never bothered anyone?
It's a funny world that we live in where you can accept our protection and our economic success in one hand and slap us with other for having the same.
Instead of blaming the US for the world's problems, why don't you be thankful that you live in an isolated god forsaken frozen area of the word and are somewhat insulated from real problems the rest of us have. All you have to worry about is making sure that everyone in your country equally gets the same poor healthcare, not protecting yourself or your allies.
They are putting an ex-intelligence agent on trail and they wish to keep national secrets that may come to light from being exposed. This is "insidious"?
You are an idiot if you think that the media has a right to know something that puts a country or an agent of a country in danger. The media *DOES NOT* have the right to know every last little secret about a country, where it's nukes are stored and what those firing codes are.
What world do you people live in?
You can't satisfy these kind of people. They hate the "man" and blame him for every little problem a mom and pop store has. They hate successful companies and prefer to lift up the failures. It's stupid. I can imagine their own lives, full of failures. Instead of meeting a challenge and being innovative and creative, they bitch and moan about how the "man", be that Microsoft, Starbucks, etc., has stolen what they deserved.
I like Starbucks coffee and I'm extremely glad that they opened a store close to me. The only other coffe shop close by isn't all that great.
You know, you'll be waiting for a long time. Not only do I *not* care whether they are in the real-estate or the porn business for that matter, I doubt many other people care either.
If the smaller shops are getting pushed out by Starbucks, maybe they need to get on the ball and attact more customers? What universal law says that a small mom and pop store that opens up will be successfull? Or even that they have a constitutional right to be successful? It's not as if the Starbucks-run mafia is threatening them to sell their businesses if they know what's good for them. If people go to starbucks instead of the local mom and pop place, who's fault is it?
Why do you hate the successful company love the failure? Because they aren't owned by the "man"? That hippie crap is so old...
English teaching in Japan is a bubble driven myth and isn't the bright and rosy picture many would like to make it out to be.
The Asian bubble burst a long time ago. Don't expect to be able to just land a job the minute you walk off the plane.
hmm... am I reading this correctly that the virus came from your infected system?
Maybe a nice expensive lawsuite would teach the morons and idiots of the world to stop opening attachments they don't have any business opening?
No, institutional violence was the correct way to say it. The CEO was obviously an idiot and wanted "revenge" on the person who sent him the virus.. misplaced or not.
If the usual suspects were "sinners", then Franklin also being a suspect really isn't all that unusual. He was not well liked by many church leaders, who already considered him heretical because of his tendency to spread inventions to the public that helped them evade "god's wrath".
Got any quotes or references for this? I take offence at the idea that "many" of the church leaders didn't like Franklin's inventive side because they felt it was God's sole purpose to run around and punish the hell out of people.. literally.
Me thinks that the slashdot editors enjoy villifying John Ashcroft whenever they get the chance. Why not simply say the department of justice instead of Ashcroft? Whether it's Ashcroft or Santa Claus sitting in that office, his responsibility is to uphold whatever laws that congress enact, whether he likes them or not.
If this was a real news site, I might be angry at the obvious bias.
I don't pick and choose what science to understand. I specifically choose not to believe the theories put forth by evolutionists. It has little to do with comprehension and all to do with logic and a conscious decision to ignore refutable evidence and weak theory.
Environmental science, if you can even call it science, and nutritional science are two other areas that I tend to disagree with the majority of popular opinion on. I've looked at their arguments, looked at the counter-arguments, observed things myself and chose what to believe.
I disagree with your point about there being different versions of the Bible. There is only one version, the version canonized by the early church. It's been translated into many languages, but there is only one version. The catholic bible, the koran, whatever text you might be referring to, I do not consider those to be the same thing. Even if they contain similar portions.
That said, even if you think there are several different versions, why bother to believe in any of them. If they are all politicised works pieced together by man, with human error, might you just be wasting your time attempting to live a christian life? I mean, you are only going to be here for a short period of time, why bother going to the trouble and denying yourself the things others would say make life worth while? If you don't absolutely believe in the bible as it is written, how can you even be certain that it's not all full of lies and deceit?
Might you be wasting your life?
Did you consider the possiblity that he didn't want you to live forever? God doesn't exist to be your slave and cater to your every whim.
How strong do you want your bones to be? Enough to take 100,000,000,000,000 tons of force? What's the point?
Solar energy? Most of the plants on this planet do that.. he chose a different method for us.
Don't really know how to respond to the last question. We create life every day by procreation. I'm pretty sure there isn't an 11th commandment that says "Thou shalt not create life."
Why are you so angry?
In short, to creationists I say, "Science is not evil; it is a tool by which your God can teach you about yourselves and the world around you." To anti-faith bigots, I say, "Not every theist believes that it is his god's wish for him to be a simpleton."
Most creationist believe that God is the ultimate scientist. Science is a great thing.. no one is arguing against science or advancement. My opinion that evolutionary science is flakey at best. It's mass of unprovable theories. Believe if you wish, I choose not too.
I think real science is more interesting. Medical science, micro-biology, mathematics, quantum physics. Give me that stuff over evolutionary science every day.
Wow, you really haven't thought this out well have you?
Mosquitoes are a food source (as are we). Ever hear of the food chain? It's important to the survival of this world.
Pain is a great thing. If I cut myself, I want to know about it so that I can stop the beeding. Would you rather bleed to death because you never knew you were cut? If I fracture my arm, I can feel the pain and have it fixed. If I didn't feel it.. no telling what sort of infection would set in and I'd possibly lose my arm.
Hunger, thirst... isn't this obvious? Our bodies need food and water as fuel. The hunger pains and thirst are indications that our bodies are running out of fuel.
Evil is simply disobeying God. We create evil by disobeying God. Logically work that out with any thing you consider evil and it will always go back to disobeying God. Murdering someone is evil? The Bible says don't murder. Stealing something is evil? The Bible says don't steal.
West Nile virus... I can't explain.. population control? Maybe it's been created from something humans did? Who knows. I don't have the answers to everything.. of course.. neither does an evolutionist.
"Rather than responding to my joke dialogue by mistrepresenting the views of evolutionists, you might like to answer the points raised by it."
Ok.. I'll give it a go:
What is a Creationist?
A Creationist believes that living things were designed and created by God, rather than a process such as evolution.
Correct answer.
So God is a designer and creator?
Yes, this is fundamental to the beliefs of Creationists
Correct again. Many also like to think that God is the greatest scientist in the universe.
You said God was a designer and creator. Why?
Because he wanted to. Why do we create art? Why do we own cats and dogs and treat them like children? It's a simliar idea, though that's putting it in a very simple way.
What's he do it for?
See the last answer.
So this invisible and unexplainable thing you call God created all living creatures, but you can't explain why?
See the last two answers.
And you think that's a more sensible explanation of life on Earth than evoluton?
Yes, I look at the utter unimaginable complexity and perfectness of every single living thing here on this planet and can't imagine it being done by chance. Everything works in perfect unison to provide what each species of flora and fauna needs to survive and flourish.
So what about the fossil record? Did God create that?
Fossil record? Carbon dating is not accurate. Because of this, many times scientists will use the flora in a layer of rock to help date the fauna and vise versa. That's called circular reasoning and an unsound way to derive fact.
Christians believe that a world wide flood took place around 9000 to 10000 years ago. This is how much of the fossil record has been created. A very quick deluge of water and mud is the perfect way to create such a huge amount of fossils (and there are a *lot* of fossils) and leave them in such an intact state buried in mud and rock. It also helps to explain the various sedimentary layers and other geological phenominon on this planet.
We've all heard that a million monkeys, banging on a million typewriters, would eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare
This has been disproven time and time again. Please stop saying this. It's stupid. The word "Eventualy" implies forever, but the evolutionary process as many scientist believe has not been taking place forever.
Seriously.. stop say that stupid statment.
Two points here:
Even if the destruction of the proteins that help restrict gene mutations were all destroyed. Is it really possible for a mutated gene or even one million randomly mutated genes to have the scientific precision to create the kind of defensive system that the Bombardier Beetle has? I seriously doubt it. It looks more to me that a scientist of sorts has created this insect.
Second point: Isn't it strange that in a world governed by evolution that the fauna here actually have developed proteins to restrict the mutation of genes? It would seem that evolutionary process would revel in the mutation of genes since it advances life?
Sometimes it feels like evolutionists are the Emporer and His New Clothes.
Oh and another quick point. The government is not the local economy. It can support the economy by paving roads and offering protection (police officers), but it is not the economy. That's made up of the businesses and the consumers.
Why should any state government automatically make money from an economic exchange taking place between you and another business or individual (as it is on eBay)? They don't drive the economy, you and the business do.
Just because someone in another state doesn't pay sales tax, it doesn't mean it's bad for any local economy.
This is siphoning money from my local economy to another state. My local government (State, County, District) has made no money, while I have spent my disposable income. While this is not robbing my local economy, it does not help it in any way. Potholes on streets will go unfixed, fewer policeman will be there to help, and state employees will have to do more with less in general, because the funds are less than expected. All from a simple ebay [ebay.com] purchase.
It's highly questionable that taxes could ever be a necessary evil concerning the Internet.
Is there some service the goverment is paying for that isn't paid for by taxes already in place?
It's a ridiculous idea to invent a tax for the sake of inventing tax. There should always be a damned good reason to take money away from citizens. The less taxes that are levied on citizens, the more freedom we have.
taxes = removal of freedom
What the hell... This sort of trash get's modded up to 2? Who's doing this? Slashdot have a troupe of chimps on the clock today?
Dubya can't read... priceless.