I've actually come to like Scott Meyer's books, particularly Effective C++ and More Effective C++. These books are aimed at C++ programmers to correct common mistakes, and C programmers making the migration to C++ (hence the first few chapters in Effective C++, prefer new and delete to malloc and free, etc.) The only other C++ books I really use regularly are the STL guide and C++ From the Ground Up. All of these are Ansi C++ oriented (at least there hasn't been anything that didn't work on a Ansi C++ compatible compiler). If a book is aimed at Visual C++, then it should say that in the title. Id be curious to hear what other books people use for reference (besides man pages).
I think its sad how everyone wants to add his or her "expert" opinion to this matter. I'm not a rocket scientist, nor do I have a clue about the science involved in the space shuttle. So for me, or anyone else to speculate as to causes of the explosion is an insult to the men and women of the space program (although I'm sure some of the Slashdot crowd may actually be more qualified since they probably have followed the program since they were kids and some are actual engineers now). There's all sorts of finger pointing that could go on (and seems to in the media), but lets not try to lose sight of the fact that 7 people are dead. That's just my rant; after all, I'm sick of hearing the journalists and speculators "expert" opinions.
As always, we screw ourselves, as long as we continue to support companies that outsource to other countries for jobs that should go to us. It's amazing how prices of products aren't cheaper despite outsourcing to foreign countries. If people continue to buy products front countries that outsource, then badly needed jobs are going to continue to slip away. If enough people could be rallied, an organized boycott against those companies should be implemented, after all, if they are going to cost the American people money, then they in turn should start costing the companies money. It could be like a union, but of consumers instead of employees.
The wording on this reads like a really bad spy novel. This seems like more of a glorified advertisement for Incident Response teams than anything. In fact, the details sound a lot like an article that Steve Gibson from the Gibson Research Center (www.grc.com) had written about a year ago. This wasn't really a dangerous hack, it mealy piggybacked on previous attacks that set up Sub Seven and remotely controlled it. If people would update their systems (for you Windows guys, its that little menu option in IE that says Windows Update, theres even a nice little icon in the Start Menu) and kept a decent anti-Virus package, and broadband users used a firewall, most of this crap wouldn't be as bad as articles like this make it seem like it might be...
This is an old contraption. They've been doing this for years, as long as they've had PVC pipes as far as I know, maybe earlier. We use modified versions of these using compressed air and garden hose solenoids for confetti cannons and T-Shirt shooters, now if I could find Maude Flanders to hit with a T-Shirt, the rest would be history...
(Excuse the length of this message, I believe strongly in this so I have a lot to say, and this response is not pointed towards anyone in particular)
Yes, it does matter. The philosophy behind open-source is great for developers. There have been plenty of apps that I have used in proprietary environments that I've thought to myself "This would be a great app if..." With open-source, and being a developer, these issues, including UI can be fixed.
But this philosophy is unacceptable for the general public. This attitude is not acceptable for the everyday average person. Whenever criticism about Linux being on the desktop comes up, most (not every) Linux supporters go into an uproar, begin criticizing Microsoft, and refuse to acknowledge the issues at hand. This attitude of "if you don't like it, fix it yourself" isn't going to work for that very thing that Linux supporters are holding their breath for. The everyday average person just wants something to work, and work with ease. They aren't going to take the time to learn to program to fix an app that they are considering. And they definitely aren't going to switch to an operating system that the apps are difficult to use, and the attitude of the experts is "fix it yourself". Most will just pay the 200 bucks for an operating system that has these kinds of apps natively and continue to crack jokes about it crashing, because at least it will do what they need without them having to learn to program.
As sad as it sounds, the general Linux population needs to pick a side and stay with it. If they want Linux to be a viable desktop OS for the masses, then they need to quit running back to the "well its not designed for you, go back to Windows" mentality when the least bit of criticism about its failing in the UI department. I for one would love to see Linux on the desktop, and this point is one that hinders its success in this area.
The point of the authors article is to say that these thing, which you point out are written in Linux "because someone wanted to do something that either wasn't possible before, or was a pain in the ass to do before" is just that, a pain in the ass to use. Ill continue to use Linux, because the user interface doesn't bother so much, and there are plenty of alternatives and solutions, and I'm willing to program to fix my gripes with programs, but the average person is not...
Well, we ran Postgres as our primary database for a Managed Network System Security,a nd the postgres database stored all alerts coming in from all our sensors, which included a.EDU that had qutie a bit of traffic going through it (our own implemented honeypot). The only issue we ran into was with disk space with packet logging, which was unrelated to the Postgres Database. We would get any number of hits per data into the database (sometimes over a million in a weeks time). Ive come to prefer Postgres over MySQL, although Id still take Oracle over each if I could afford the license.
"All that said, if you dont like it the way it is, break out your EMacs, and Write something better, otherwise, quit bitching!
Enough of these stupid reviews, you have all the code of these shitty projects. Rewrite the GUI for one. What? You dont feel like it? Then stop bitching"
And this, right here, is why its going to be a hard, uphill battle for Linux on the desktop...
Better yet, how about a file format where it basically just adds a header containing the real file name, while using a fake name like "F*&K the RIAA.mp3", so when snooping, they see thousands and songs by that title being swapped, meanwhile the real name is just hidden in the file header...
This is funny. This exact thing appeared on OSNews earlier this week... and was promptly followed by an unrelated article entitled "Future of Operating Systems: Simplicity". So which is it, simplicity or programming?
These people just dont get it. With the hopes of poisoning P2P file populations with garbage, do they actually hope to discourage users? I remember when I still used P2P for fileshareing, if I got a bad file, that just made me more determined to find a good one. These people dont give enough credit to the persistence and patience of people looking for music. Just because they put out bad files doesnt mean it will discourage users anymore, theyll just keep on looking until they find a good one...
Now that I think about it, this is actually a very good money making idea. This could work wonders in resturaunts and bars where heavy volume is a problem. Id probally do it a little differently so instead of reservoirs you just attach the actual bottle to it (similar to the Jaggermeister dispensers if youve ever seen one), but if youve ever seen resturaunt employees who have to wait on an overworked bar staff, you could imagine the potential for this. This is actually a very interesting idea, I give props to the creators..
This is actually a very interesting idea. Although its cool that its being done on Linux, it doesnt mean that it couldnt be done on Windows. But its still a cool concept. Ill probally end up building one for myself since I cant mix drinks to save my life.
This is the exact same thing as a dryer vent, except it blows into the ever clean area between the walls. Id have to modify this thing with a fan to suck the air out of the case and blow it into the wall, and a small filter to prevent any sort of blow back into the case. Even then, at $19 a pop, i could just excess flex hose from my dryer and modify a 3 switch wall cover, and Id pay about 2 bucks... That or if the temperature in my room was really that big of an issue, id get a fan for the room...
Yeah, I do, and I dont feel the punishment was just. Being sent to solitary and spending more years in prison that most rapists and violent criminals is an travisty. The fact that the goverment would put the curiosity of one man as being a greater threat to society than the above mentioned criminals to the point where his punishment is more severe is a disgrace. Its an embarassment. Not to say that Mitnick wasnt a hacker, but a lot of the charges filed against him were bogus. I dont blame him for running from the FEDS. If I had served time in solitary, only to be released and have them attempt to arrest me again just for trying to find out who these people were, your damned right Id run to avoid being put back in that situation. Kevin didnt even raise a finger, and he served more time than violent offenders... so yeah, I know what he did...
Oh yeah, I remember the "Free Kevin" campaign, especially since every issue of 2600 for the longest time had something about it. I remember their big campaign to get Miramax to drop the movie they were going to make about the whole incident, where the "heroic" FBI agent chased down the "evil" hacker, who suprise attacks him and hits him over the head with a trash can lid. Pretty funny. They had a thing on The Learning Channel about him, Woz, and Capt Crunch a few weeks ago, interesting show. You have to respect someone who managed to stay on the run for over a year, create a fake identity, and get a high paying job at a law firm with that identity. Too bad he got caught in the end, after all it was nothing but a set up for the goverment to make an example out of someone...
Unless your buying K-Y Jelly, Wine, and an enima to with those condoms, I dont think you have anything to worry about from the cashier, they only see about 50 other people a day buying condoms....
Ok, so am I to understand that law enforcement are now allowed to shoot people that they THINK are criminals, and that includes all crimes such as speeding, running stop signs, jaywalking, and not having your dog on a leash? And just in case youve forgotten, police are granted the right to authority, and this kind of action is not acceptible. So by that rationale, the RIAA, whom are not an authority nor do I recognize them as an authority, do not have the right to brute force the law in this manner. So if they are not an authority, why should they be granted an immunity to the law. It seems almost like a crackpot scheme that a mad scientist bent on world domination would come up with, hence classifying them as villians. So to answer your question of do I think a corporate organization that is trying to pass legislation to enforce laws that they have no right or authority to enforce, spy, burglerize, cripple my property, and take away my civil liberties is evil, then yes, I do.
Now this might be a sport worth watching if they were hacking the server while being chased by FEDS with clubs and tasers, that would add some sport element to it.
"Unfortunately, when you add functionality it gets real complicated real quick. I tried putting together a turnkey Mozilla distro with an embedded Linux, KDrive X, and Mozilla. Did it work? Did it hell. Mozilla would just hang on startup, waiting for some service that wasn't there. I spent ages trying to find out why and eventually had to give up. "
Interesting, I was trying to do something similar, but without X. I was using a few other Linux based GUIs, and the one I went with was an embedded GTK add on for GTK 2.0 without X. In the end I gave up and went with FreeDos with Arachne since it booted way faster out of the box, and it did exactly what I wanted.
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As the poster notes, this may not be a technically sound book, may not be worth owning, and shows signs of little research and quick writing but I think its still worth it. To compare and contrast predictions and attitudes from the past to the now is always interesting. It could have been anyone and it still would have been interesting. I remember my thoughts about computers at that time. I was fascinated by them, yet everyone was so paranoid because of the high cost noone wanted to touch them. I always got the impression of "We need to have a PC, but dont touch it, its too expensive". Id be interested to read it just to see what others thought at that time about PCs. Itd make an even more interesting read though if it included that, and then his opinions today on PCs.
Here was an article on Slashdot a week or so ago http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/1 1/10/2214253&mode=thread&tid=106 about a small sized Linux using BusyBox and a GLibC compatible library that is pretty small. It installs off 3 floppies. I havnt gotten around to trying BusyBox or the library so I dont know how well X or X apps will run off it, but if you run a smaller desktop like FVWM or BlackBox, it might work with decent performance. Its worth a look into. If worse comes to worse, try an alternative to Linux and run something like FreeBSD or OpenBSD, or even a non-*nix like FreeDOS.
You know, theres something to be said for ignoring articles written in a degrading way towards its audience. It does make an interesting read if you imagine the comic book shop guy from the Simpsons was the author... worst article ever...
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I've actually come to like Scott Meyer's books, particularly Effective C++ and More Effective C++. These books are aimed at C++ programmers to correct common mistakes, and C programmers making the migration to C++ (hence the first few chapters in Effective C++, prefer new and delete to malloc and free, etc.) The only other C++ books I really use regularly are the STL guide and C++ From the Ground Up. All of these are Ansi C++ oriented (at least there hasn't been anything that didn't work on a Ansi C++ compatible compiler). If a book is aimed at Visual C++, then it should say that in the title. Id be curious to hear what other books people use for reference (besides man pages).
I think its sad how everyone wants to add his or her "expert" opinion to this matter. I'm not a rocket scientist, nor do I have a clue about the science involved in the space shuttle. So for me, or anyone else to speculate as to causes of the explosion is an insult to the men and women of the space program (although I'm sure some of the Slashdot crowd may actually be more qualified since they probably have followed the program since they were kids and some are actual engineers now). There's all sorts of finger pointing that could go on (and seems to in the media), but lets not try to lose sight of the fact that 7 people are dead. That's just my rant; after all, I'm sick of hearing the journalists and speculators "expert" opinions.
As always, we screw ourselves, as long as we continue to support companies that outsource to other countries for jobs that should go to us. It's amazing how prices of products aren't cheaper despite outsourcing to foreign countries. If people continue to buy products front countries that outsource, then badly needed jobs are going to continue to slip away. If enough people could be rallied, an organized boycott against those companies should be implemented, after all, if they are going to cost the American people money, then they in turn should start costing the companies money. It could be like a union, but of consumers instead of employees.
The wording on this reads like a really bad spy novel. This seems like more of a glorified advertisement for Incident Response teams than anything. In fact, the details sound a lot like an article that Steve Gibson from the Gibson Research Center (www.grc.com) had written about a year ago. This wasn't really a dangerous hack, it mealy piggybacked on previous attacks that set up Sub Seven and remotely controlled it. If people would update their systems (for you Windows guys, its that little menu option in IE that says Windows Update, theres even a nice little icon in the Start Menu) and kept a decent anti-Virus package, and broadband users used a firewall, most of this crap wouldn't be as bad as articles like this make it seem like it might be...
This is an old contraption. They've been doing this for years, as long as they've had PVC pipes as far as I know, maybe earlier. We use modified versions of these using compressed air and garden hose solenoids for confetti cannons and T-Shirt shooters, now if I could find Maude Flanders to hit with a T-Shirt, the rest would be history...
(Excuse the length of this message, I believe strongly in this so I have a lot to say, and this response is not pointed towards anyone in particular)
Yes, it does matter. The philosophy behind open-source is great for developers. There have been plenty of apps that I have used in proprietary environments that I've thought to myself "This would be a great app if..." With open-source, and being a developer, these issues, including UI can be fixed.
But this philosophy is unacceptable for the general public. This attitude is not acceptable for the everyday average person. Whenever criticism about Linux being on the desktop comes up, most (not every) Linux supporters go into an uproar, begin criticizing Microsoft, and refuse to acknowledge the issues at hand. This attitude of "if you don't like it, fix it yourself" isn't going to work for that very thing that Linux supporters are holding their breath for. The everyday average person just wants something to work, and work with ease. They aren't going to take the time to learn to program to fix an app that they are considering. And they definitely aren't going to switch to an operating system that the apps are difficult to use, and the attitude of the experts is "fix it yourself". Most will just pay the 200 bucks for an operating system that has these kinds of apps natively and continue to crack jokes about it crashing, because at least it will do what they need without them having to learn to program.
As sad as it sounds, the general Linux population needs to pick a side and stay with it. If they want Linux to be a viable desktop OS for the masses, then they need to quit running back to the "well its not designed for you, go back to Windows" mentality when the least bit of criticism about its failing in the UI department. I for one would love to see Linux on the desktop, and this point is one that hinders its success in this area.
The point of the authors article is to say that these thing, which you point out are written in Linux "because someone wanted to do something that either wasn't possible before, or was a pain in the ass to do before" is just that, a pain in the ass to use. Ill continue to use Linux, because the user interface doesn't bother so much, and there are plenty of alternatives and solutions, and I'm willing to program to fix my gripes with programs, but the average person is not...
Well, we ran Postgres as our primary database for a Managed Network System Security,a nd the postgres database stored all alerts coming in from all our sensors, which included a .EDU that had qutie a bit of traffic going through it (our own implemented honeypot). The only issue we ran into was with disk space with packet logging, which was unrelated to the Postgres Database. We would get any number of hits per data into the database (sometimes over a million in a weeks time). Ive come to prefer Postgres over MySQL, although Id still take Oracle over each if I could afford the license.
"All that said, if you dont like it the way it is, break out your EMacs, and Write something better, otherwise, quit bitching!
Enough of these stupid reviews, you have all the code of these shitty projects. Rewrite the GUI for one. What? You dont feel like it? Then stop bitching"
And this, right here, is why its going to be a hard, uphill battle for Linux on the desktop...
Better yet, how about a file format where it basically just adds a header containing the real file name, while using a fake name like "F*&K the RIAA.mp3", so when snooping, they see thousands and songs by that title being swapped, meanwhile the real name is just hidden in the file header...
This is funny. This exact thing appeared on OSNews earlier this week... and was promptly followed by an unrelated article entitled "Future of Operating Systems: Simplicity". So which is it, simplicity or programming?
These people just dont get it. With the hopes of poisoning P2P file populations with garbage, do they actually hope to discourage users? I remember when I still used P2P for fileshareing, if I got a bad file, that just made me more determined to find a good one. These people dont give enough credit to the persistence and patience of people looking for music. Just because they put out bad files doesnt mean it will discourage users anymore, theyll just keep on looking until they find a good one...
Now that I think about it, this is actually a very good money making idea. This could work wonders in resturaunts and bars where heavy volume is a problem. Id probally do it a little differently so instead of reservoirs you just attach the actual bottle to it (similar to the Jaggermeister dispensers if youve ever seen one), but if youve ever seen resturaunt employees who have to wait on an overworked bar staff, you could imagine the potential for this. This is actually a very interesting idea, I give props to the creators..
This is actually a very interesting idea. Although its cool that its being done on Linux, it doesnt mean that it couldnt be done on Windows. But its still a cool concept. Ill probally end up building one for myself since I cant mix drinks to save my life.
This is the exact same thing as a dryer vent, except it blows into the ever clean area between the walls. Id have to modify this thing with a fan to suck the air out of the case and blow it into the wall, and a small filter to prevent any sort of blow back into the case. Even then, at $19 a pop, i could just excess flex hose from my dryer and modify a 3 switch wall cover, and Id pay about 2 bucks... That or if the temperature in my room was really that big of an issue, id get a fan for the room...
Are you kidding me. Kevin isnt a hardened criminal. If I was him and I was facing federal time, not being a hardened criminal, id run like hell.
Yeah, I do, and I dont feel the punishment was just. Being sent to solitary and spending more years in prison that most rapists and violent criminals is an travisty. The fact that the goverment would put the curiosity of one man as being a greater threat to society than the above mentioned criminals to the point where his punishment is more severe is a disgrace. Its an embarassment. Not to say that Mitnick wasnt a hacker, but a lot of the charges filed against him were bogus. I dont blame him for running from the FEDS. If I had served time in solitary, only to be released and have them attempt to arrest me again just for trying to find out who these people were, your damned right Id run to avoid being put back in that situation. Kevin didnt even raise a finger, and he served more time than violent offenders... so yeah, I know what he did...
Oh yeah, I remember the "Free Kevin" campaign, especially since every issue of 2600 for the longest time had something about it. I remember their big campaign to get Miramax to drop the movie they were going to make about the whole incident, where the "heroic" FBI agent chased down the "evil" hacker, who suprise attacks him and hits him over the head with a trash can lid. Pretty funny. They had a thing on The Learning Channel about him, Woz, and Capt Crunch a few weeks ago, interesting show. You have to respect someone who managed to stay on the run for over a year, create a fake identity, and get a high paying job at a law firm with that identity. Too bad he got caught in the end, after all it was nothing but a set up for the goverment to make an example out of someone...
Damned, and I always thought that Christmas was in July....
Unless your buying K-Y Jelly, Wine, and an enima to with those condoms, I dont think you have anything to worry about from the cashier, they only see about 50 other people a day buying condoms....
Ok, so am I to understand that law enforcement are now allowed to shoot people that they THINK are criminals, and that includes all crimes such as speeding, running stop signs, jaywalking, and not having your dog on a leash? And just in case youve forgotten, police are granted the right to authority, and this kind of action is not acceptible. So by that rationale, the RIAA, whom are not an authority nor do I recognize them as an authority, do not have the right to brute force the law in this manner. So if they are not an authority, why should they be granted an immunity to the law. It seems almost like a crackpot scheme that a mad scientist bent on world domination would come up with, hence classifying them as villians. So to answer your question of do I think a corporate organization that is trying to pass legislation to enforce laws that they have no right or authority to enforce, spy, burglerize, cripple my property, and take away my civil liberties is evil, then yes, I do.
Now this might be a sport worth watching if they were hacking the server while being chased by FEDS with clubs and tasers, that would add some sport element to it.
"Unfortunately, when you add functionality it gets real complicated real quick. I tried putting together a turnkey Mozilla distro with an embedded Linux, KDrive X, and Mozilla. Did it work? Did it hell. Mozilla would just hang on startup, waiting for some service that wasn't there. I spent ages trying to find out why and eventually had to give up. "
Interesting, I was trying to do something similar, but without X. I was using a few other Linux based GUIs, and the one I went with was an embedded GTK add on for GTK 2.0 without X. In the end I gave up and went with FreeDos with Arachne since it booted way faster out of the box, and it did exactly what I wanted.
As the poster notes, this may not be a technically sound book, may not be worth owning, and shows signs of little research and quick writing but I think its still worth it. To compare and contrast predictions and attitudes from the past to the now is always interesting. It could have been anyone and it still would have been interesting. I remember my thoughts about computers at that time. I was fascinated by them, yet everyone was so paranoid because of the high cost noone wanted to touch them. I always got the impression of "We need to have a PC, but dont touch it, its too expensive". Id be interested to read it just to see what others thought at that time about PCs. Itd make an even more interesting read though if it included that, and then his opinions today on PCs.
Here was an article on Slashdot a week or so ago http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/1 1/10/2214253&mode=thread&tid=106 about a small sized Linux using BusyBox and a GLibC compatible library that is pretty small. It installs off 3 floppies. I havnt gotten around to trying BusyBox or the library so I dont know how well X or X apps will run off it, but if you run a smaller desktop like FVWM or BlackBox, it might work with decent performance. Its worth a look into. If worse comes to worse, try an alternative to Linux and run something like FreeBSD or OpenBSD, or even a non-*nix like FreeDOS.
You know, theres something to be said for ignoring articles written in a degrading way towards its audience. It does make an interesting read if you imagine the comic book shop guy from the Simpsons was the author... worst article ever...