So, according to you - all future operating system software will be reliable, robust and secure because it's made by a big-ass, zillion-patents-holding company like Microsoft and that's going to be OK.
I'll do my best to get OSX machine to play with but you should really check how far has Gnome desktop (2.10 version) gone. As an example to what you said, this is the content of the dialogue box that appears if you attempt to delete a file:
Are you sure you want to permanently delete "filename"?
If you delete an item, it is permanently lost.
Buttons with convenient icons read "Cancel" and "Delete". Plus, delete option is not in the context menu at all by default - you have to check the box in file browser preferences to get it in there. Only Trashcan is available by default.
Creating shortcuts is 2 clicks. On right-click you get the list of available apps, tools, applets and chose one on left-click. Two. If you're installing the app that doesn't integrate with the menu system, there's an option to add link to custom app, with 'Browse' button in a dialogue box, fields to enter app name and description for a tooltip and chose an icon for it.
Just a couple of examples that have been mentioned already. Seriously, it's light-years ahead of Windows these days.
Package managers on FC4 that work very nice with rpms are not arcane anymore. Granted, it's not drag and drop but Synaptic and Kyum or Yumex are self explanatory and easy to use by the most novice PC user.
Adding shortcuts to panel is a right-click + left-click (from the list) process, hardly cumbersome activity.
Hot-plug digital camera - gnome will ask you where do you want images imported - you just browse to the location. Put in blank CD - pops up the file browser lookalike app with a 'Write files to CD' button - you just drag/drop stuff into it.
Network browser app finds all windows-like shares on your network automatically. CUPS shared printers are detected and installed without user intervention.
That being said, I'll grant you that OSX is most likely still supperior Desktop but not as much as it would ofset the price and choice difference.
And why is it easier to use than modern Linux distribution? I have never used OSX and am really curious. Comparing to Windows though, Fedora Core 4 is about million times more intuitive desktop (in an unobtrusive way) than Windows ever was. Looks damn good, too.
I have no doubt that this happened more than once and in more LUGs around the world. Still, hard to justify the argument if you are talking about "linux users" as a whole - these days millions of people belong to that group.
My predefined worldview includes the opinion that people should use whatever software they want to use and/or are comfortable with, even if it's Windows.
I actually don't mind 'educating' Windows users about the alternative, if same tasks can be accomplished using Linux. It's cheaper, safer, looks better and provides overall better computing experience.
Despite the fact that MS has a 50% stake in it, there's not a lot that can be done from so far across the ocean.
Then, you just don't make a deal if that would mean going against some basic moral values. But then again, this is Microsoft. Bill'd sell his grandma and his ass for a bit more money.
I don't doubt that it's *possible* to do this with Windows, but I really hope I'm never asked to try.
Don't worry, it is not possible to run Windows mail server in the same fashion. Now, if you want OLAP cube(?!?), reconciliation something, EIA busses???, document routing engines or God forbid, Entire financial systems infrastructures or perhaps Document control systems for whole governments that's just too easy, mate.
Thank you, sir! I now know what will new hires in my company have included in the induction process. Regular checks of their knowledge of this matter will be implemented, too.
That may have been the truth few years back but these days doesn't stand. Principles of a windowed GUI are the same in Windows, Gnome and KDE - you can even make KDE look pretty much the same as Windows, most common applications look almost the same. Plus you get the benefit of knowing that you're not doing anything ilegal.
But you see, whoever decides to pay for crippled OS instead of getting the real one for free (as in everything), deserves exactly what Microsoft has served.
Ah, sorry - slightly misunderstood the point. However, the choice is entirely yours - you're not going to release it under the GPL then, unless you can figure out a different way of generating income, apart from selling software.
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So, according to you - all future operating system software will be reliable, robust and secure because it's made by a big-ass, zillion-patents-holding company like Microsoft and that's going to be OK.
I'll do my best to get OSX machine to play with but you should really check how far has Gnome desktop (2.10 version) gone. As an example to what you said, this is the content of the dialogue box that appears if you attempt to delete a file:
Are you sure you want to permanently delete "filename"?
If you delete an item, it is permanently lost.
Buttons with convenient icons read "Cancel" and "Delete". Plus, delete option is not in the context menu at all by default - you have to check the box in file browser preferences to get it in there. Only Trashcan is available by default.
Creating shortcuts is 2 clicks. On right-click you get the list of available apps, tools, applets and chose one on left-click. Two. If you're installing the app that doesn't integrate with the menu system, there's an option to add link to custom app, with 'Browse' button in a dialogue box, fields to enter app name and description for a tooltip and chose an icon for it.
Just a couple of examples that have been mentioned already. Seriously, it's light-years ahead of Windows these days.
Adding shortcuts to panel is a right-click + left-click (from the list) process, hardly cumbersome activity.
Hot-plug digital camera - gnome will ask you where do you want images imported - you just browse to the location. Put in blank CD - pops up the file browser lookalike app with a 'Write files to CD' button - you just drag/drop stuff into it.
Network browser app finds all windows-like shares on your network automatically. CUPS shared printers are detected and installed without user intervention.
That being said, I'll grant you that OSX is most likely still supperior Desktop but not as much as it would ofset the price and choice difference.
And why is it easier to use than modern Linux distribution? I have never used OSX and am really curious. Comparing to Windows though, Fedora Core 4 is about million times more intuitive desktop (in an unobtrusive way) than Windows ever was. Looks damn good, too.
I somehow missed 'vocal faction' part. You're right, some of them may appear overzealous :o)
My predefined worldview includes the opinion that people should use whatever software they want to use and/or are comfortable with, even if it's Windows.
I actually don't mind 'educating' Windows users about the alternative, if same tasks can be accomplished using Linux. It's cheaper, safer, looks better and provides overall better computing experience.
Talk about 'predefined worldview'.
They just made an announcement that it will be backported to XP SP3 first.
That would depend on employee's sex. It should be OK for women and strictly forbidden for men.
Will it include Longhorn?
Try to calculate how much is it in tax breaks. Plus, looks good in public.
Then, you just don't make a deal if that would mean going against some basic moral values. But then again, this is Microsoft. Bill'd sell his grandma and his ass for a bit more money.
I don't like him.
That ugly and unusable default theme perhaps?
Don't worry, it is not possible to run Windows mail server in the same fashion. Now, if you want OLAP cube(?!?), reconciliation something, EIA busses???, document routing engines or God forbid, Entire financial systems infrastructures or perhaps Document control systems for whole governments that's just too easy, mate.
Well, you'll obviously need one more CPU for the fifth user. :o)
Number 5 is kinda looping there as well.
How the hack did you manage to have this user name with such an acct number? You friends with CowboyNeal or something?
Oh, c'mon already. Give us the url, we won't consider it a plug. :o)
Yes, I am sysadmin guy, why do you ask?
Not that this would hugely affect normal users, though.
That may have been the truth few years back but these days doesn't stand. Principles of a windowed GUI are the same in Windows, Gnome and KDE - you can even make KDE look pretty much the same as Windows, most common applications look almost the same. Plus you get the benefit of knowing that you're not doing anything ilegal.
But you see, whoever decides to pay for crippled OS instead of getting the real one for free (as in everything), deserves exactly what Microsoft has served.
Yes, 'guy' part in particular.
They'd perhaps even release something other than service packs.
Ah, sorry - slightly misunderstood the point. However, the choice is entirely yours - you're not going to release it under the GPL then, unless you can figure out a different way of generating income, apart from selling software.