Why isn't there a version of Evolution for windows? It's great software - I'd pay for it if it wasn't free. And, NO VIRUSES!!!
Get "The Bat". Seriously. £30 per license, with a 30-day shareware.
You can do things in The Bat that make Linux email clients look crippled. I've setup customised autoreplies for messages meeting certain criteria, size limits on emails, size limits with a password to bypass them, domain-filters (taiwan, china, etc), native support for PGP, or use PGP itself, GPG, or native support for S-MIME encryption.
"...and you get a pop-up when you first visit it" Not if you're using Galeon, you don't!
"Also a nice Flash ad delay when you hit Back" Again, not in Mozilla or in Galeon, which both "skip over" redirect pages when you click the back button.
Anyway, if you just open all the stories in a new tab, you don't need to use the back button, you can just close it when you're done reading.
Block the OnClose macro, and you can even enable javascript on the site without having to worry!
Okay, you're logged in so I'll reply even to an old comment:
So do you watch ESPN? ABC? If you do you're not boycotting them
No, I don't. I watch the BBC. I watch commercial channels only if there's something specific which interests me, and not as an evening-filler.
I get a number of american TV stations on my house's cable-TV (mostly news) and I cannot stand their patronising attitide. If anyone wants evidence of TV stations being utterly "we believe the sun shines out of our Secretaty of State's ass" then they only have to watch CNN for a while.
I dread to imagine the attitudes of those who've watched US news programmes long enough to believe their views. "You are nothing. You're a peasant so you're wrong. I'm a newscaster for a big TV station so I'm right. Repeat after me: anyone who argues against the government's ideas is filth and should be shot"
Plagarism is quite different to copyright infringement, b.t.w. -- plagarism is quoting someone under the "fair use" provision, and is not illegal.
Plagarism can also apply to results and ideas, as opposed to copyright which only applies to a particular expression of those ideas.
That's why the univerities need to threaten students with expulsion, fines, and humiliation if they're found to plagarise something -- it's not illegal, so they have no recourse under law against plagarism.
How do you explain the concept of "Source code" to non-programmers
And how do you apply the GPL to something non-digital without making it sound stupid.
I'm not putting my thesis under GPL; I'd have to include a disk with the LaTeX file and the CorelDraw pictures. Nobody would take that seriously, so I use the DSL license instead.
Or just revert to the "Copyright x, verbatim copying in any medium permitted".
I'm very impressed that you've spotted things which the thousand-strong Microsoft Legal Team missed. Perhaps you could make some money for yourself by exploiting these vulnerabilities in the GPL?
Please do explain though, why should I just sit back and watch the outcome of the first serious lawsuit challenging the GPL. Surely we're not still waiting for people to challenge the GPL? If it's as easy as you say, I'd have expected to see someone take it to court already...
I don't think Stallman was a cultist. I think the cult follows him, rather than the other way around. You're welcome to argue that point with him though, if you'd like an opportunity to practise your legal arguments.
I'd certainly take back shrinkwrap software if I couldn't accept the license. If I can't accept the license, I can't use the software, and they sold it to me on the understanding that I could use it.
Then, I'd never buy software from a shop which didn't accept returns. That somewhat reduces my choice, but I'll hardly miss PC World!
There are of course many ways to avoid an EULA (cross your fingers whilst accepting it, in England?), you're not required to accept a contract after you bought something, before you read it, or without proof of agreeing to it.
"Thankyou for buying this coat. Before you can use it, I require you to sign this contract which you have not yet seen. If you don't accept the contract, you must destroy the coat."
legal precedents require parts of your license to be "noticable"... Typing in upper case has been found to be "noticable"
I'd argue with that one:-) Using upper case makes it "unreadable" not "noticable" That's why it's not a typographic convention. That's why newspapers don't write in uppercase. That's why people on IRC/Email ignore/delete people using uppercase.
The flat-top of an uppercase letter lets you scan a paragraph and instantly see where each sentance starts. It gets mucked about a bit by acronyms and proper nouns, but you can still pre-scan the words easily enough to know where you'll need a pause for breath.
Upper-case everything completely breaks that. I'd challenge anyone to quickly read aloud a passage quoted from a EULA written without the modest characters.
If they want to make something "noticable" they should either put it at the top, give it a light-grey background, or rule vertical black-bars either side of the offending paragraph. You can then still read it!
the court seems to be exceeding its authority here, and should issue wiretap or search warrants for each subscriber it wants SonicBlue to monitor.
I believe that american courts can already do that, by using the "John Doe 1" through to "John Doe 112,300" naming convention.
Makes you wonder how useful it would be to name yourself John Doe. Would utter confusion at the courtroom suffice, or would you be able to cause a divide-by-0 error on your speeding tickets?
When will people stop being distracted by the browser issue? It is currently illegal for any shop which sell Microsoft Windows on their PCs to sell dual-boot machines, linux machines, AppleMacs, or OS-less machines.
We've recently heard microsoft claiming that it's illegal even to accept donated computers without proof of license (despite those computers coming from suppliers who have never, ever sold a computer without a licensed copy of Windows bound to that PC)
And we still have microsoft trying to break open protocols, making hostile takeovers of other open protocols, and lying about the GPL.
The browser is not an issue. You're welcome to borrow my Mozilla CDs, as my neighbours do. My computer shop will happily install netscape 6 for free on a new computer. But until it becomes legally possible to choose an alternative to microsoft, how will removing the browser break up their monopoly?
That sounds like most people's attidude. DVR's are the one thing that would make commercial TV bearable for most people. If we are somehow contractually bound to sit through their adverts, most people's reaction will be "fsck off then, I'll read a newspapaer instead"
Reminds me of another.com (email supplier) before they collapsed.
"You will not be logged out until you've gone to the logout screen and clicked on one of the adverts" they whined. "Your email will be vulnerable until you click on an advert". They were lying of course.
I think they recently changed to a pay-model, and watched their number of users fall from 10M to about 5K
I pay subscription for my set-top box, there's no way I'll put up with watching adverts on it. My housemates do watch Sky1 though, and just sit there through 20 minutes of advertising without complaining.
Or more to the point, something is only criminal if a law existed against it at the time you did it
Retrospective laws are not allowed in any legal system: "ignorance of law is no defence" falls apart if your code needs to comply with all future laws not yet considered.
"When someone provides a link without my permission... the user may experience something different from what I intended when I established my website"
- Bruce Sunstein, I.P. law attorney
Aaahhh. So people aren't getting his whole website experience? Well I guess they'd better outlaw those of us who have Javascript turned off, then. Or those of us not using IE5. Or those of us who block ad.doubleclick.net. Or those of us who disable flash, and disable looping animations.
And then the whole web breaks, because nobody will be able to read anything. It'll be like watching Sky-1, having 20 minutes of adverts per 5 minutes of programming.
I'm glad that deep-linking is still, as always, completely legal.
* Oops, maybe I shouldn't post that link. Better go to the front page, and good luck trying to find the article!
It's not illegal though, that's the whole point. This is just another legal department ranting, raving, and threatening someone to try and intimidate them into stopping something which _is_entirely_legal_
If I draw a map with directions to your office, does that mean I've stolen your office?
Does this mean that WalMart don't sell OEM windows, or just that they're too big for Microsoft to whine about the license?
It would be good to see a "Linux option" tickbox on the order form, particularly as it's no less simple than a change of modem and a bundled mandrake box.
Slashdot Mirror
the sleaziest thing I've yet seen in spyware, i.e., capitalizing on the emotional turmoil for 9/11
No, respectable people would never do that, would they? Respectable people like, hmmm, THE FBI???
Why isn't there a version of Evolution for windows? It's great software - I'd pay for it if it wasn't free. And, NO VIRUSES!!!
Get "The Bat". Seriously. £30 per license, with a 30-day shareware.
You can do things in The Bat that make Linux email clients look crippled. I've setup customised autoreplies for messages meeting certain criteria, size limits on emails, size limits with a password to bypass them, domain-filters (taiwan, china, etc), native support for PGP, or use PGP itself, GPG, or native support for S-MIME encryption.
"...and you get a pop-up when you first visit it"
Not if you're using Galeon, you don't!
"Also a nice Flash ad delay when you hit Back"
Again, not in Mozilla or in Galeon, which both "skip over" redirect pages when you click the back button.
Anyway, if you just open all the stories in a new tab, you don't need to use the back button, you can just close it when you're done reading.
Block the OnClose macro, and you can even enable javascript on the site without having to worry!
Am I paranoid?
Okay, you're logged in so I'll reply even to an old comment:
So do you watch ESPN? ABC? If you do you're not boycotting them
No, I don't. I watch the BBC. I watch commercial channels only if there's something specific which interests me, and not as an evening-filler.
I get a number of american TV stations on my house's cable-TV (mostly news) and I cannot stand their patronising attitide. If anyone wants evidence of TV stations being utterly "we believe the sun shines out of our Secretaty of State's ass" then they only have to watch CNN for a while.
I dread to imagine the attitudes of those who've watched US news programmes long enough to believe their views.
"You are nothing. You're a peasant so you're wrong. I'm a newscaster for a big TV station so I'm right. Repeat after me: anyone who argues against the government's ideas is filth and should be shot"
Plagarism is quite different to copyright infringement, b.t.w. -- plagarism is quoting someone under the "fair use" provision, and is not illegal.
Plagarism can also apply to results and ideas, as opposed to copyright which only applies to a particular expression of those ideas.
That's why the univerities need to threaten students with expulsion, fines, and humiliation if they're found to plagarise something -- it's not illegal, so they have no recourse under law against plagarism.
How do you explain the concept of "Source code" to non-programmers
And how do you apply the GPL to something non-digital without making it sound stupid.
I'm not putting my thesis under GPL; I'd have to include a disk with the LaTeX file and the CorelDraw pictures. Nobody would take that seriously, so I use the DSL license instead.
Or just revert to the "Copyright x, verbatim copying in any medium permitted".
I'm very impressed that you've spotted things which the thousand-strong Microsoft Legal Team missed. Perhaps you could make some money for yourself by exploiting these vulnerabilities in the GPL?
/me lights blue touch-paper and retires
Please do explain though, why should I just sit back and watch the outcome of the first serious lawsuit challenging the GPL. Surely we're not still waiting for people to challenge the GPL? If it's as easy as you say, I'd have expected to see someone take it to court already...
I don't think Stallman was a cultist. I think the cult follows him, rather than the other way around. You're welcome to argue that point with him though, if you'd like an opportunity to practise your legal arguments.
Can you release that comment under the GPL?
I'd certainly take back shrinkwrap software if I couldn't accept the license. If I can't accept the license, I can't use the software, and they sold it to me on the understanding that I could use it.
Then, I'd never buy software from a shop which didn't accept returns. That somewhat reduces my choice, but I'll hardly miss PC World!
There are of course many ways to avoid an EULA (cross your fingers whilst accepting it, in England?), you're not required to accept a contract after you bought something, before you read it, or without proof of agreeing to it.
"Thankyou for buying this coat. Before you can use it, I require you to sign this contract which you have not yet seen. If you don't accept the contract, you must destroy the coat."
legal precedents require parts of your license to be "noticable"... Typing in upper case has been found to be "noticable"
:-) Using upper case makes it "unreadable" not "noticable" That's why it's not a typographic convention. That's why newspapers don't write in uppercase. That's why people on IRC/Email ignore/delete people using uppercase.
I'd argue with that one
The flat-top of an uppercase letter lets you scan a paragraph and instantly see where each sentance starts. It gets mucked about a bit by acronyms and proper nouns, but you can still pre-scan the words easily enough to know where you'll need a pause for breath.
Upper-case everything completely breaks that. I'd challenge anyone to quickly read aloud a passage quoted from a EULA written without the modest characters.
If they want to make something "noticable" they should either put it at the top, give it a light-grey background, or rule vertical black-bars either side of the offending paragraph. You can then still read it!
almost as useful as the "block images from this server" and "loop animations: never" options
the court seems to be exceeding its authority here, and should issue wiretap or search warrants for each subscriber it wants SonicBlue to monitor.
I believe that american courts can already do that, by using the "John Doe 1" through to "John Doe 112,300" naming convention.
Makes you wonder how useful it would be to name yourself John Doe. Would utter confusion at the courtroom suffice, or would you be able to cause a divide-by-0 error on your speeding tickets?
BOYCOTT DISNEY.
We already do. Have done for years. I don't think intelligent people are in their target audience.
(apart from "Tron", I mean)
When will people stop being distracted by the browser issue? It is currently illegal for any shop which sell Microsoft Windows on their PCs to sell dual-boot machines, linux machines, AppleMacs, or OS-less machines.
We've recently heard microsoft claiming that it's illegal even to accept donated computers without proof of license (despite those computers coming from suppliers who have never, ever sold a computer without a licensed copy of Windows bound to that PC)
And we still have microsoft trying to break open protocols, making hostile takeovers of other open protocols, and lying about the GPL.
The browser is not an issue. You're welcome to borrow my Mozilla CDs, as my neighbours do. My computer shop will happily install netscape 6 for free on a new computer. But until it becomes legally possible to choose an alternative to microsoft, how will removing the browser break up their monopoly?
Do they have any plans to make a w32 port of Evolution client?
Yeah, right after they release the Win32 port of GNOME.
That sounds like most people's attidude. DVR's are the one thing that would make commercial TV bearable for most people. If we are somehow contractually bound to sit through their adverts, most people's reaction will be "fsck off then, I'll read a newspapaer instead"
Reminds me of another.com (email supplier) before they collapsed.
"You will not be logged out until you've gone to the logout screen and clicked on one of the adverts" they whined. "Your email will be vulnerable until you click on an advert". They were lying of course.
I think they recently changed to a pay-model, and watched their number of users fall from 10M to about 5K
I pay subscription for my set-top box, there's no way I'll put up with watching adverts on it. My housemates do watch Sky1 though, and just sit there through 20 minutes of advertising without complaining.
The damn thing refuses to install, and I'm stuck with beta-version 0.13 (which works very nicely also)
I hope they've upgraded the filtering in version 1, to something approaching KMail or the Bat
Or more to the point, something is only criminal if a law existed against it at the time you did it
Retrospective laws are not allowed in any legal system: "ignorance of law is no defence" falls apart if your code needs to comply with all future laws not yet considered.
From that wired story.: *
... the user may experience something different from what I intended when I established my website"
"When someone provides a link without my permission
- Bruce Sunstein, I.P. law attorney
Aaahhh. So people aren't getting his whole website experience? Well I guess they'd better outlaw those of us who have Javascript turned off, then. Or those of us not using IE5. Or those of us who block ad.doubleclick.net. Or those of us who disable flash, and disable looping animations.
And then the whole web breaks, because nobody will be able to read anything. It'll be like watching Sky-1, having 20 minutes of adverts per 5 minutes of programming.
I'm glad that deep-linking is still, as always, completely legal.
* Oops, maybe I shouldn't post that link. Better go to the front page, and good luck trying to find the article!
check that their browser sends a referrer url from your site
...and watch as people stop linking to you at all, your google-ranking plummets, and your visitors disappear.
Yes, I can see how that would help their failing ad-revenues!
It's not illegal though, that's the whole point. This is just another legal department ranting, raving, and threatening someone to try and intimidate them into stopping something which _is_entirely_legal_
If I draw a map with directions to your office, does that mean I've stolen your office?
EULA Forces Man to Wear "I Love Microsoft" T-Shirts
Does this mean that WalMart don't sell OEM windows, or just that they're too big for Microsoft to whine about the license?
It would be good to see a "Linux option" tickbox on the order form, particularly as it's no less simple than a change of modem and a bundled mandrake box.
They should have copy-protected the article so that you had to sign an "I am a tree" license agreement before you could read it.
Show it as it is.