Just for the record, EFI is already present on the Itanium. Oh and what is not in the article: it's damn slow for nothing. I mean seriously, it has designs so that for example if you forgot to plug in your usb keyboard before you pressed the big red button you can plug it in and it will get recognised. Did I mention the fact that on the new Itanium 2, the whole boot layers (3 in total) take up a whopping 30 seconds before anything is even shown on the screen???!! And of course then it's done yet, some more work still needs to be done.
why is it that in many films they show you screenshots with loads of meaningless numbers and graphs going up and down? I mean, seriously when was the last time you saw such an application?
And on a related note has anyone else noticed that when a love scene comes up, you almost always hear the saxophone blaring away....they might as well start calling it the SEXophone now
I remember when some young whiner used to join the chat "rooms" and we used to sucker him in hanging up. Conversation went something like this:
Whiner: blah blah blah
Guru 1: This xyz BBS has a cute bug to gain system privileges...
Guru 2: Agree and talk about it but no details until the whiner starts reallllly begging to know the details. Then:
Guru 1: Ok type +++ (originally typed as ++ space bkspace +) followed by ATH and hit enter
Whiner: NO CARRIER
And of course being a busy BBS he would be kicked out for a jolly good time. The fun at the inept continued when we created variations on the ATH theme on the same victim:-)
....and notice no word of patents, legal threats, copyright, anti-piracy etc in the article. It looks some of us have forgotten the fun days of the past when we used to hack around for the fun of it.
Just get Kevin and give him a prison phone. He'll do everything from it. His mouth will even function like a modem traslating all those ones and zeros....
Also, why in the hell are companies "upgrading" constantly?
I'll give an example. My brother used to use Win 3.1 + Word. He used tables quite extensively but alas, the Word version at that time, v6 IIRC, made a whole mess of it. The only "solution" was to "upgrade" to v7 of Word. Now follow it: You need Win95 to run Word 7, you need something better than a 486 25mhz to run it decently, you need more ram to make Win95 work happily, the keyboard you used, well now it's PS/2 not the "old" style connector which worked just as well, etc etc until just because he wanted to fix 1 bug, he had to change his entire setup.
Perhaps MS are doing this on purpose so that as a workaround, Opera et al will start sending IE as an agent string. Then people who view their logs would say: "Hey look, 98% of people surfing are using IE so let's not bother with the rest".
Seriously though, this isn't hard to find out. We've had View-Source in all browsers since version 1, any developer worth his salt would find this out immediately, therefore one can only assume they don't give a rat's ass and are trying to make it as difficult as possible for others to compete - no surprises from MS here!
BIOS is gone in Intel's Itanium - it's replaced by 3 layers: PAL (which does core testing and some patching and OS services), SAL (more knowledge about platform, testing and more OS services) and finally EFI - which can load boot images from a wide variety of devices (disk, cd, dvd, zip, usb, network, etc...)
A bit hellish to master but supposedly very extensible
In the island of Malta, obtaining sufficient water for industries and households was a significant problem and thus they were forced to experiment with any way they could to obtain enough water to meet their needs. To this end, several reverse osmosis plants were built and the problem has been solved to a large extent. The problem is that the plants consume a hefty 15% of all the electricity generated by the two power stations! Most of the electricity is required to generate enough water pressure and a lot of this energy was being wasted because the highly saline water being pumped out kept corroding the turbines. Thankfully however, technology has improved and now they recover a good part of that electricity again because the turbines are now made of a ceramic material.
I predict that this story will be a dupe, I'll say this in every article and then when the dupe occurs I can link to this message and say I'm a great prophet...
... shouldn't need to wait for long now...anytime now (checks watch, hits reload button, mutters and smiles an evil grin....)
I'm waiting for someone to post a slashdot link indicating it's dupe post from 2 years ago...
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Linux has already been ported to IA-64. A very able David Mosberger and all the other developers have made ported it in time for the IA-64 release (before MS, but no big hurray). There's also a simulator here . Works well enough.
Itanium 1 wasn't a flop. It was designed to be a development platform, and that's precisely it's function. Intel has already said it it has 5 development teams working on the next iterations of Itanium.
Many instructions have hints in them to tell the CPU some details so that it can optimize them, but for the moment they're ignored.Still they can implement it when they want so there's lots of future potential. Also Itanium IS binary ia-32 backward compatible (eg see Vol 3, PAGE ONE: "A key feature of the IA-64 architecture is IA-32 instruction set compatibility"!) but unlike amd, it's meant as an add-on not an x86+extensions like amd. Heck even the BIOS is out with IA64, as well as IN/OUT instructions - yep they're out too.
The reports you've seen on the web are mostly flawed since :
They are running ia32 code which performs poorly (so what!)
The ia64 code they were using was based on output from not-yet-optimised compilers
Running on Itanium 1
Few real world examples: With itanium, passing parameters from one function to another is via registers not slow stack access. Typical tests would do some loops and call few functions, in the OOP world with many function calls it would fly!
There's an Itanium 1 sitting here on my desk and yes it's SLOW (feels like a 500mhz if not slower) even when booting native code. I'll test itanium 2 when HP finally decides to ship me the missing graphics card!
Therefore all I can say is: give it time! It's the software which needs most tweaking not hardware. Compilers have quite a lot more work to do and are thus not easy to port
this is not a dup, the article you refer to spamarchive.org being opened, this article refers to them opening up an ftp service on december 4th...you should read more before you comment.
ah...just you wait till tomorrow and there you'll see it on the front page in all it's glory!
Yep, myGo is a service offered by my phone company. Unfortunately, there's only one other alternative where I live, and their reception and customer service sucks.
However, the CEO is actually my former Computer Science head of department at university and he's neither an idiot nor a stuck up snob (he's quite friendly) so I'll try and bubble up my complaint via different channels. Furthermore many of the developers there are actually my ex-classmates (yes, he left university but used his contacts to encourage smart(er) people to join the newly set-up company) but I'm sure they're already overloaded with work.
Time to grab hold of my old phonebook!
Still, though I may work this one site out, who's going to convince Microsoft (amongst others) to change their site to allow Mozilla to load it properly? Any bets;-)
Slashdot Mirror
then 2 questions later he says:
We have the people, processes and technology in place to get to zero (security vulnerabilities)
so am I reading this wrong or is he contradicting himself?
Neither. He's just not living on this planet.
Just for the record, EFI is already present on the Itanium. Oh and what is not in the article: it's damn slow for nothing. I mean seriously, it has designs so that for example if you forgot to plug in your usb keyboard before you pressed the big red button you can plug it in and it will get recognised. Did I mention the fact that on the new Itanium 2, the whole boot layers (3 in total) take up a whopping 30 seconds before anything is even shown on the screen???!! And of course then it's done yet, some more work still needs to be done.
And on a related note has anyone else noticed that when a love scene comes up, you almost always hear the saxophone blaring away....they might as well start calling it the SEXophone now
Whiner: blah blah blah
Guru 1: This xyz BBS has a cute bug to gain system privileges...
Guru 2: Agree and talk about it but no details until the whiner starts reallllly begging to know the details. Then:
Guru 1: Ok type +++ (originally typed as ++ space bkspace +) followed by ATH and hit enter
Whiner: NO CARRIER
And of course being a busy BBS he would be kicked out for a jolly good time. The fun at the inept continued when we created variations on the ATH theme on the same victim :-)
I'll give an example. My brother used to use Win 3.1 + Word. He used tables quite extensively but alas, the Word version at that time, v6 IIRC, made a whole mess of it. The only "solution" was to "upgrade" to v7 of Word. Now follow it: You need Win95 to run Word 7, you need something better than a 486 25mhz to run it decently, you need more ram to make Win95 work happily, the keyboard you used, well now it's PS/2 not the "old" style connector which worked just as well, etc etc until just because he wanted to fix 1 bug, he had to change his entire setup.
Seriously though, this isn't hard to find out. We've had View-Source in all browsers since version 1, any developer worth his salt would find this out immediately, therefore one can only assume they don't give a rat's ass and are trying to make it as difficult as possible for others to compete - no surprises from MS here!
Whatever..so long you do don't become an English teacher :)
What are you talking about? How many times have we got to repeat that the Itanium IS backwards compatible (albeit operates much more slowly)?
Personally I find his ending comment very fitting to the challenger disaster (I quote):
For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled.
isn't that how britney's latest (all?) album(s) were produced?
the Obfuscated N-queens problem of course!
v =a[j*=v]-a[i],k=i<" \n\n%c"-(!l<<!j)," #Q"[l^v?(l^j)&1:2])&&++- j))&&!(l%=s),v||(i==j?a[i+=k]=0:++a[i])>=s*k&&+ a[--i]);printf("\n\n");}
int v,i,j,k,l,s,a[99];main(){for(scanf("%d",&s);*a-s;
s,j+=(v=j<s&&(!k&&!!printf(2+
l||a[i]<s&&v&&v-i+j&&v+i
+
blah blah blah this avoids the lameness filter blah blah blah truppitipupitup han geoooep fillin what a waste of time..
Same shit, different name !
A bit hellish to master but supposedly very extensible
comments!
Linux has already been ported to IA-64. A very able David Mosberger and all the other developers have made ported it in time for the IA-64 release (before MS, but no big hurray). There's also a simulator here . Works well enough.
Many instructions have hints in them to tell the CPU some details so that it can optimize them, but for the moment they're ignored.Still they can implement it when they want so there's lots of future potential. Also Itanium IS binary ia-32 backward compatible (eg see Vol 3, PAGE ONE: "A key feature of the IA-64 architecture is IA-32 instruction set compatibility"!) but unlike amd, it's meant as an add-on not an x86+extensions like amd. Heck even the BIOS is out with IA64, as well as IN/OUT instructions - yep they're out too.
The reports you've seen on the web are mostly flawed since :
They are running ia32 code which performs poorly (so what!)
The ia64 code they were using was based on output from not-yet-optimised compilers
Running on Itanium 1
Few real world examples: With itanium, passing parameters from one function to another is via registers not slow stack access. Typical tests would do some loops and call few functions, in the OOP world with many function calls it would fly!
There's an Itanium 1 sitting here on my desk and yes it's SLOW (feels like a 500mhz if not slower) even when booting native code. I'll test itanium 2 when HP finally decides to ship me the missing graphics card!
Therefore all I can say is: give it time! It's the software which needs most tweaking not hardware. Compilers have quite a lot more work to do and are thus not easy to port
ah...just you wait till tomorrow and there you'll see it on the front page in all it's glory!
Start, run, cmd, enter, Format C:, enter...
However, the CEO is actually my former Computer Science head of department at university and he's neither an idiot nor a stuck up snob (he's quite friendly) so I'll try and bubble up my complaint via different channels. Furthermore many of the developers there are actually my ex-classmates (yes, he left university but used his contacts to encourage smart(er) people to join the newly set-up company) but I'm sure they're already overloaded with work.
Time to grab hold of my old phonebook!
Still, though I may work this one site out, who's going to convince Microsoft (amongst others) to change their site to allow Mozilla to load it properly? Any bets ;-)