Amen to that. As a long time Rush fan (I live 1 hour away from them) I say that being able to *manipulate* headroom on-the fly is king. For ex. "La Villa Strangiato", and "Xanadu". (From the "All The World's a Stage" album)
Hopefully, the newer codecs may be able to overcome the limitations of the instruments; amplification opens one set possibilities and closes others.
FWIW, I use classical and jazz (both live and recorded) as a reference set.
James A.A. Joyce. I should have been keeping closer track I guess, but I was still trying to do 2.6.0-test1 with the -mm2 and the -int7 patches. Thx for the info, I'll get back to you on it!
FWIW, I read the kernel ML daily and I can say that the kernel team strongly desires end user feedback in the form of commentary and bug reports (not flames!)
They're looking for all the possible "oddball" cases (AKA "corner cases") and also for extreme loads such as huge files/filesystems, throughput, mem and net bandwidth, fs integrity, etc.
Regular users should participate; Linus has said that his focus is still on desktop usability and responsiveness. Anyone else who is interested should make sure to enable the -preempt option as well -- amazing performance!
OK, yer trolling to some degree (and I'm gonna blow a mod point that I wasted on an AC anyway).
You are totally correct in that all OS's suck in some way. There are things I wish were different about Linux, but I see the need for them in the current scheme. I prefer the Linux way of sucking because it gives me some control over how suckage occurs. Using Linux at least allows me that freedom, which I haven't seen anywhere else. (Yes, I know about BSD, so don't bother. Thanks.)
Do I think I'm a "bad-ass?" No. I don't need to. Nobody had to know, think, or tell me anything; I used my own head. I use the tools that make sense and work *for me*. I don't advertise the fact, I rely on open standards such as the OSI tcp/ip stack (and) POSIX (SuSv3). On a related note, the whole "fanboy" thing is fairly new to the Linux community, I started using it when nobody had ever heard of it and Google (the company) didn't exist yet. IMHO, you allowed yourself to get burned by the hype and are acting out bitterness in response.
As for C++ compilers, you should probably care more; you comment would have gone unheard on this forum without one, no doubt.
One thing you need to keep in mind about being "better":
It could better be described as $FSVO better. How do you define "better"? No argument there; if VMS, MVS, NT, or Linux works for you then use it. Linux and Adobe works for me so I use that.
As a long time Linux user (before the dot-com boom and the hype) I must say that life would be *much* easier if the media hype and FUD would just go away.
Short conclusion? It's not hard to produce a sucky system, regardless of the flavor. It's *damn* hard to produce an non-sucky system based on open standards with inter-op, all kinds of user friendliness, and security to boot (no pun).
Now, could you please take a look at openVMS via Google, and perhaps do a port? It sounds like good stuff.
No need to do so. Just dump ftp.exe through the "strings" command and save the result. You'll find the UC Bereley / BSD notice in there, at least on older Windows versions. I've never tried that on the rest of the system, but it might be interesting.
As a die-hard Linux user (nothing else in my house for the last 6 years):
I hope these guys have something damn good to show, for such a large claim.
Sort of like SCO vs. ???
Just an attempt at being fair here, you understand. I expect fairness given for fairness offered. I'm not young really, and it's not naive to expect fairness: it depends on how badly an individual or company desires my respect and business, 20 years later even.
This points up the larger problem, IMHO: There is this new idea that:
or vice-versa even. I've made my choices, but it sure looks like a few trend-setters and business people need to go back to the 80's/90's (USA) and look in the mirror again.
Again, just IMHO. And yes, I'm US native (just for the curious).
Currently, AA and AC are cool for regression testing. Its nothing like what the "Big Boys" (read: well-funded corporations) do, but its a far cry from the pre-2.x days.
We could all help out with that, via well-written bug-reports, questions, etc. Just make sure its an actual bug and not a vendor quirk. Make sure those reports go to the right people, too - use the LKML as a last resort. (Speaking from experience).
As far as release management goes, it's *still* up to Linus. Not that, I've ever had a problem with that, it's *his* project, after all. If I'm feeling lazy, I'll just wait till the big vendors pick it up.
If you were reading the list yesterday, you'd know he didn't.
Actually, it seems that some student wandered in and was fishing for clues about duplicating functionality with an open license. Most people tried to put him off, in order to avoid another flame war on the list. Last time that happened,/var/tmp filled up and killed the mail server for a while.
Not another one of *those*. Please people, I read LKML daily for the *code* not the politics.
The worst thing is when you can agree with *both* viewpoints, and I don't have enough time or ulcers for that.
Well, I could live with mail-order, because my dialup won't do it for sure. I do sympathize about packages being outdated, and the production costs. I'd even be willing to pay for on-demand publishing.
Did these folks ever read and understand the GPL? It's one thing to go against the spirit of it, and another thing to go against the legality of it. And I'm sure that's what we're seeing now.
Oh, wait, I was assuming they actually wanted to participate in the scene instead of just bagging a buck or three.
Ah, thank you - *that* is the kind of reply I was looking for. When I posted the question, it was because "I think I understand it, but other people are having issues. What gives?"
That's an interesting point you make about the nature of the people involved. I would have chosen a different set of people or a different set of motives, but your point IMHO needs to be made loud and clear.
I would like to add to your point by using the word "motives" instead of people. Things can get very hairy this way if you run that against business vs law vs ethics, it seems.
Thanks for a great reply!
Sorry, but I truly missed the humor in that. MSFT perhaps?
Whatever.... I just don't see where the GNU licenses exert total control (as oppopsed to, say, WinXP, let alone the service packs...)
Actually, I *did* understand it after a few reads; nobody else explained it because nobody else I knew had heard of it.
I'm starting to think that my view was too limited; I tried the creator vs distributor scenarios, and it all seemed OK. I didn't consider things like KDE/Qt or Corel Linux, because they weren't invented yet. Actually, I never considered linking against anything other than glibc or LessTif.
So, my thinking is probably now way outdated, and I need to re-do it.
I still maintain that it's pretty clear regarding distribution and granting others the same freedoms; so maybe the larger question is "How does this apply in a mixed environment?"
I'm actually running a mixed environment right now; the nVidia driver in my linux kernel is a closed-source binary with a kernel wrapper.
Any ideas?
Ok, thanks for the info. Actually, I *did* miss that one. I'm not into the Java scene at all, but I can imagine the various scenarios would be a nightmare.
Why there's any confusion myself - it's pretty straightforward to me. OTOH, it's good to see the FSF giving their official explanations, maybe I'll learn something.
Could someone here tell me what's so hard to grasp about the GPL? or LGPL? Not trolling, just wondering. Maybe its just completely different world views or something. *shrugs*
Thank you for clarifying things. Yes I get called on to run things by default on occasion, in addition to my regular work. No, its not easy, but the "to-do" list done. And no, I don't necessarily agree with my superiors.
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Amen to that. As a long time Rush fan (I live 1 hour away from them) I say that being able to *manipulate* headroom on-the fly is king. For ex. "La Villa Strangiato", and "Xanadu". (From the "All The World's a Stage" album) Hopefully, the newer codecs may be able to overcome the limitations of the instruments; amplification opens one set possibilities and closes others. FWIW, I use classical and jazz (both live and recorded) as a reference set.
I've had the best luck with Radio Shack Ni-Cads in my cameras. Not the greatest performance, but very predictable. For me, that counts for a lot.
James A.A. Joyce. I should have been keeping closer track I guess, but I was still trying to do 2.6.0-test1 with the -mm2 and the -int7 patches. Thx for the info, I'll get back to you on it!
FWIW, I read the kernel ML daily and I can say that the kernel team strongly desires end user feedback in the form of commentary and bug reports (not flames!)
They're looking for all the possible "oddball" cases (AKA "corner cases") and also for extreme loads such as huge files/filesystems, throughput, mem and net bandwidth, fs integrity, etc.
Regular users should participate; Linus has said that his focus is still on desktop usability and responsiveness. Anyone else who is interested should make sure to enable the -preempt option as well -- amazing performance!
Damn... now I need to try -test2.
OK, yer trolling to some degree (and I'm gonna blow a mod point that I wasted on an AC anyway).
You are totally correct in that all OS's suck in some way. There are things I wish were different about Linux, but I see the need for them in the current scheme. I prefer the Linux way of sucking because it gives me some control over how suckage occurs. Using Linux at least allows me that freedom, which I haven't seen anywhere else. (Yes, I know about BSD, so don't bother. Thanks.)
Do I think I'm a "bad-ass?" No. I don't need to. Nobody had to know, think, or tell me anything; I used my own head. I use the tools that make sense and work *for me*. I don't advertise the fact, I rely on open standards such as the OSI tcp/ip stack (and) POSIX (SuSv3).
On a related note, the whole "fanboy" thing is fairly new to the Linux community, I started using it when nobody had ever heard of it and Google (the company) didn't exist yet. IMHO, you allowed yourself to get burned by the hype and are acting out bitterness in response.
As for C++ compilers, you should probably care more; you comment would have gone unheard on this forum without one, no doubt.
One thing you need to keep in mind about being "better":
It could better be described as $FSVO better. How do you define "better"? No argument there; if VMS, MVS, NT, or Linux works for you then use it. Linux and Adobe works for me so I use that.
As a long time Linux user (before the dot-com boom and the hype) I must say that life would be *much* easier if the media hype and FUD would just go away.
Short conclusion? It's not hard to produce a sucky system, regardless of the flavor. It's *damn* hard to produce an non-sucky system based on open standards with inter-op, all kinds of user friendliness, and security to boot (no pun).
Now, could you please take a look at openVMS via Google, and perhaps do a port? It sounds like good stuff.
No need to do so. Just dump ftp.exe through the "strings" command and save the result. You'll find the UC Bereley / BSD notice in there, at least on older Windows versions. I've never tried that on the rest of the system, but it might be interesting.
As a die-hard Linux user (nothing else in my house for the last 6 years):
I hope these guys have something damn good to show, for such a large claim.
Sort of like SCO vs. ???
Just an attempt at being fair here, you understand. I expect fairness given for fairness offered. I'm not young really, and it's not naive to expect fairness: it depends on how badly an individual or company desires my respect and business, 20 years later even.
This points up the larger problem, IMHO: There is this new idea that:
Ethical ! == Legal
Business_good ! == Individual_good
or vice-versa even. I've made my choices, but it sure looks like a few trend-setters and business people need to go back to the 80's/90's (USA) and look in the mirror again.
Again, just IMHO. And yes, I'm US native (just for the curious).
If my drive bit is standing up, it must be hard. Ergo, hard drive.
WARNING: Linux-specific stuff ahead
Currently, AA and AC are cool for regression testing. Its nothing like what the "Big Boys" (read: well-funded corporations) do, but its a far cry from the pre-2.x days.
We could all help out with that, via well-written bug-reports, questions, etc. Just make sure its an actual bug and not a vendor quirk. Make sure those reports go to the right people, too - use the LKML as a last resort. (Speaking from experience).
As far as release management goes, it's *still* up to Linus. Not that, I've ever had a problem with that, it's *his* project, after all. If I'm feeling lazy, I'll just wait till the big vendors pick it up.
Once again, they do something *right*.
How about PastSlime?
What about the fact that I occasionally share the *BSD song, and nothing else?
:D
Yes, I do it just to be an asshole to the record companies.
If you were reading the list yesterday, you'd know he didn't.
/var/tmp filled up and killed the mail server for a while.
Actually, it seems that some student wandered in and was fishing for clues about duplicating functionality with an open license. Most people tried to put him off, in order to avoid another flame war on the list. Last time that happened,
Not another one of *those*. Please people, I read LKML daily for the *code* not the politics. The worst thing is when you can agree with *both* viewpoints, and I don't have enough time or ulcers for that.
Well, I could live with mail-order, because my dialup won't do it for sure. I do sympathize about packages being outdated, and the production costs. I'd even be willing to pay for on-demand publishing.
But yes, I'm a bit nervous at this point.
It wouldn't surprise me, since his father is/was a prominent lawyer, wealthy in his own right when Bill was in grade school.
NOW I'm *pissed*...
Did these folks ever read and understand the GPL? It's one thing to go against the spirit of it, and another thing to go against the legality of it. And I'm sure that's what we're seeing now.
Oh, wait, I was assuming they actually wanted to participate in the scene instead of just bagging a buck or three.
After skimming through the GPL (again) I'd say they already *do* have a shot at a lawsuit.
Yeah. Last time I read it, I used
$ more COPYING
but, you get the idea...
Ah, thank you - *that* is the kind of reply I was looking for. When I posted the question, it was because "I think I understand it, but other people are having issues. What gives?" That's an interesting point you make about the nature of the people involved. I would have chosen a different set of people or a different set of motives, but your point IMHO needs to be made loud and clear. I would like to add to your point by using the word "motives" instead of people. Things can get very hairy this way if you run that against business vs law vs ethics, it seems. Thanks for a great reply!
Sorry, but I truly missed the humor in that. MSFT perhaps? Whatever.... I just don't see where the GNU licenses exert total control (as oppopsed to, say, WinXP, let alone the service packs...)
Actually, I *did* understand it after a few reads; nobody else explained it because nobody else I knew had heard of it. I'm starting to think that my view was too limited; I tried the creator vs distributor scenarios, and it all seemed OK. I didn't consider things like KDE/Qt or Corel Linux, because they weren't invented yet. Actually, I never considered linking against anything other than glibc or LessTif. So, my thinking is probably now way outdated, and I need to re-do it. I still maintain that it's pretty clear regarding distribution and granting others the same freedoms; so maybe the larger question is "How does this apply in a mixed environment?" I'm actually running a mixed environment right now; the nVidia driver in my linux kernel is a closed-source binary with a kernel wrapper. Any ideas?
Ok, thanks for the info. Actually, I *did* miss that one. I'm not into the Java scene at all, but I can imagine the various scenarios would be a nightmare.
Why there's any confusion myself - it's pretty straightforward to me. OTOH, it's good to see the FSF giving their official explanations, maybe I'll learn something.
Could someone here tell me what's so hard to grasp about the GPL? or LGPL? Not trolling, just wondering. Maybe its just completely different world views or something. *shrugs*
I'll have to try this out under WINE or Crossover.... wouldn't that be a hoot!
Thank you for clarifying things. Yes I get called on to run things by default on occasion, in addition to my regular work. No, its not easy, but the "to-do" list done. And no, I don't necessarily agree with my superiors.