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Dutch Experimental IPv6 MP3 Stream Relay

Remco den Besten writes "In order to promote the IPv6 protocol, some Dutch enthousiasts deploy an IPv6 MP3 stream relay server. So, do something different with your IPv6 connectivity and listen to the streams offered! See & listen (both IPv4 and IPv6)."

167 comments

  1. Let's promote IPv6... by Mopatop · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...by supplying an IPv4 stream as well, because we acknowledge it's a lot of hassle for people to use IPv6! Genius!

  2. Why do we need IPv6 ? by truthhurts1 · · Score: 1, Funny

    What is the purpose for it?

    1. Re:Why do we need IPv6 ? by Mopatop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because we're gonna run out of IPv4 address, and port forwarding is very annoying. IPv6 is the future, but it's just not gonna work if we leave it up to the users to do something about it.

    2. Re:Why do we need IPv6 ? by BlueTrin · · Score: 1

      How will they handle transition with IPv4 ?

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    3. Re:Why do we need IPv6 ? by khuber · · Score: 5, Funny

      v4 has a bug. Upgrade to v6. v5 was out last week but they had to take it down when they found a security problem.

    4. Re:Why do we need IPv6 ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Beginning in the second quarter of 2004, all IPv4 sites will be shut down and upgraded to IPv6. The plan is to do everything on the first day of that quarter.

    5. Re:Why do we need IPv6 ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      was the evil bit inverted?

    6. Re:Why do we need IPv6 ? by thynk · · Score: 1

      So this is a pretty good question really. I would presume, rather than what our AC friend is thinking - with everyone switching over at the start of Q2 2004. I think that some sights and services are rolling over to it now (as a test), and as time goes on, more and more IPv4 IPs will be moved over to IPv6.

      Now, I have a couple of questions about IPv6 that I haven't been able to find answers to. Will they be able to flash the hardware in NICs/Routers to support IPv6 or will existing hardware have to be replaced or form an IPv6 tunnel over IPv4 (or is this handled at the software level anyway?)

      Who will be issuing IPv6 blocks of IPs? Can I get my own block now? What will happen to all the blocks of IPv4 IPs? What will a block cost - and will I be required to use the one my ISP gives me, or will I be able to use my own?

      So many questions, so few english resources for IPv6 on the web (that I found anyway).

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    7. Re:Why do we need IPv6 ? by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      NIC's don't deal with IP, they work with ethernet (yes, it's a protocol) at the MAC address level, so they will be fine. As will your hub's and switches at home. Routers are where the problems will be. But the OS on most routers is upgradable, so I believe this should be doable for the most part. Some older routers may have issues. YMMV.

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    8. Re:Why do we need IPv6 ? by essreenim · · Score: 1

      We need it for more address space....

      and for a fully interoperable protocol for

      wireless/LAN, all types of comm. with 1 protocol-

      quite simply it's the future of the internet,

      rock on ;)

  3. Lol ... by SuperDuG · · Score: 4, Funny
    I'm sure this will be the main selling point.

    IT_GUY to Boss: "Sir I believe its time we began supporting IPv6"

    Boss: "And what are the benifits?"

    IT_GUY: "More IP's better system etc."

    Boss: "What about MP3 Streaming, does it have that?"

    IT_GUY: "Why yes it does sir."

    Boss: "Well then load it up!"

    Ahh if only pretty music and pictures were the key components of Open Source software, would make convincing implementation so much easier.

    "Look at all these benchmarks"..."ohhh pretty colors, we'll buy it!!"

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    1. Re:Lol ... by BabyDave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What we should do is tell 'Boss' that MP3s sound better if we stream them over IPv6. Hey, we could take it even further and claim that it improves the quality of images, video streams, and also makes pr0n stars look hotter!

    2. Re:Lol ... by Dog+and+Pony · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "ohhh pretty colors, we'll buy it!!"

      In my experience, that is how bosses make buying descisions...

      As well as the average Joe, just today, after recommening an acquintance several Linux distros (he is looking to try it, out of interest), he asked: "What about Lindows? Look how good this looks!" and gave this link to a *really* silly flash commercial: http://images.lindows.com/closed/LindowsRock.html.

      Look and learn folks! This is apparently how you get users... sigh.

    3. Re:Lol ... by Mopatop · · Score: 1

      But, beer does all this and you don't even need to reconfigure your entire network.

    4. Re:Lol ... by Melchior_of_wg · · Score: 1

      So, what we *really* need to do is tell people that it's cheaper to buy beer if you use IPv6.

    5. Re:Lol ... by thynk · · Score: 1

      Not sure what's worse - that ad or that it started giving me ideas of what I can do next time I want something approved by the boss man.

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    6. Re:Lol ... by EpsCylonB · · Score: 1

      It critises M$ and makes fun of Bill Gates, what could any self respecting slashdotter have against it ?

    7. Re:Lol ... by Luigi30 · · Score: 1

      Man, I can't wait for Simon to hear about this...

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    8. Re:Lol ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free means no restrictions, ironic the FSF's GPL forces restrictions, isn't it? What's your definition of free?

      Freedom is not an absolute; my freedom to live inhibits your freedom to kill. Just as we can presumably agree on which of these freedoms is more important, we can also discuss what sort of software freedom is important.

      The GPL promotes the freedom of software users at the expense of the writers. You may not agree with the trade-off, but it's in no way ironic.

    9. Re:Lol ... by echomadman · · Score: 1

      "In my experience, that is how bosses make buying descisions..." Could I get that icon in .. cornflower blue?

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  4. Uh, but? by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will this be the first IPv6 service to be shut down by the RIAA?

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    1. Re:Uh, but? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only shut down, but the designers would be sued and encarcerated for 20 years.

    2. Re:Uh, but? by Surak · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, the RIAA will now believe that IPv6 is a tool for pirates and file sharers and will lobby congress to have it remove, resulting in the ultimate and untimely death of the Internet due to running out of IP addresses. ;)

    3. Re:Uh, but? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wouldn't think so, since this is a Dutch effort, and not hosted in America. If I'm not mistaken, the Dutch can tell the RIAA to suck on the big one, seeing as the RIAA is an American based fascist organization. Maybe I'm mistaken though.

    4. Re:Uh, but? by zepher-109 · · Score: 1

      The RIAA has no power here in holland...they would more likely be seud by the local fascist organization...

    5. Re:Uh, but? by EpsCylonB · · Score: 1

      the Dutch can tell the RIAA to suck on the big one

      I wish I had a mod point right now.

    6. Re:Uh, but? by Triumph+The+Insult+C · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the RIAA can't seem to figure out how to find a reliable and sec ure webhost, I somehow think people using IPv6 are safe ... for now.

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    7. Re:Uh, but? by stewwy · · Score: 1

      and the Dutch haven't got oil so they're probably safe ..... Oh no! forgot about north sea, thats us b*ggered with fallout then

    8. Re:Uh, but? by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      I'll bite...when have any of these parties actually had a representative in the government? And when the heck did LN become fascist? You have GOT to be kidding...

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    9. Re:Uh, but? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, please. None of the parties you mentioned have any power at all, and the fact that they're holding any seats has more to do with the electoral system than anything particularly right wing about the Dutch population. LPF was practically annihilated at the last election.

      And Pim Fortuyn was no fascist. Also, his assassin was an animal rights campaigner. Did you have anything factual to say, or are you just being a dickhead?

    10. Re:Uh, but? by mcpkaaos · · Score: 1

      For Pete's sake man don't encourage them!

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    11. Re:Uh, but? by Pastis · · Score: 1

      a fascist oranization fighting against anarchist who don't want to pay for their music :)

    12. Re:Uh, but? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have oil (Schoonebeek is the well) and a lot of earth gas (Slochteren is the well)

      But we have also a lot of weed, don't think the American soldiers can't stand in the alley's the question: do you want hasjies or weed :)

    13. Re:Uh, but? by essreenim · · Score: 1

      Yep exactly, don't put thought into these peoples mind We don't need any more retarding of tech development - especially ipv6, where the advantages outweigh the disadvantages by a massive factor. If ipv6 gets kicked we may as well just crawl back into our caves!!!

  5. Heh by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

    Once again, they do something *right*.

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    1. Re:Heh by CoolVibe · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Yep, and to top it off, I hacked the xmms port to compile with ipv6 support. I just diffed the contents of the xmms tarball there with the original, made a patch, and submitted it to FreeBSD gnats here.

      Oh, you just want the ipv6 patch I made from it? Go ahead, take it. Just go to your xmms 1.2.7 source root and do a patch -p0, oh well, y'all know the drill.

      Have fun listening :)

    2. Re:Heh by crimsun · · Score: 1

      And just for kicks, here's a link to Debian packages of XMMS with v6 support already in: http://debian.fabbione.net/mirrors.html

  6. I don't want to be a killjoy by CausticWindow · · Score: 0

    But who actually listens to MP3 streams anyway?

    There must be thousands of wannabe dj's for every listener. If they're automated streams, then what's the point if it isn't something really special (like Spamradio or Nectarine).

    Are there any technical benefits by using IPv6 over IPv4 btw? Something about frame sizes or something?

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    1. Re:I don't want to be a killjoy by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The point is you can listen to it without wasting disk space. Also turns you on to new music you otherwise wouldnt know about. I dont listen to traditional radio, nor do I watch mtv -- The only way I can learn about new music is streams and word of mouth.

      Listening to a good stream has a much better flow to -- Random mp3s jump from song to song, but a good stream is setup more like a good radiostation, where songs flow together rather than jumping from an aggressive song to some slow ballad

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    2. Re:I don't want to be a killjoy by Mopatop · · Score: 1

      That's all well and good if you have your playlist shuffled, but I organise my songs by artist and album, so each one flows into each other very well... a damnsight more than most radio we get in the UK anyway.

      However, I agree that streams have their place.

    3. Re:I don't want to be a killjoy by DuSTman31 · · Score: 1

      Well, I think the main benefit to applications like this of IPv6 will be the multicasting support.

      Sure, multicasting is also available in IPv4 via IGMP, but I highly suspect that it won't really get used too much until IPv6 is the norm.

    4. Re:I don't want to be a killjoy by ogre2112 · · Score: 1

      Also you can listen to it legally whether the station you are listening to is legal or not.. They are the ones that have to pay the royalties.

      It's a good option if your workplace doesn't allow hordes of MP3's on their workstations.

    5. Re:I don't want to be a killjoy by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      Also turns you on to new music you otherwise wouldnt know about.

      This is one of the best reasons!! With internet streaming radio, you usually get the track title and artist. A quick trip to AllMusic, then you can see if you are interested in getting more tracks.

      A large percentage of the music I listen to came to me this way.

    6. Re:I don't want to be a killjoy by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1
      I don't know which streams I dislike more, some guy's mp3 collection set on 'random', or DJs who couldn't even get on college radio and substitute with an mp3 stream, complete with irritating interstitial ads, voiceovers, and talking during the beginnings and ends of songs.

      Both of these are the reason I quit listening to shoutcast.com a few years ago. Looking at their page now, they still only have 10,000 users total. I used to run a great stream..."All Aphex Twin, All the Time"...nothing but one artist with no interruptions. I even got a couple of imitators, which pleased me to no end.

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    7. Re:I don't want to be a killjoy by cait56 · · Score: 1

      The "technical benefit" of using an IPv6 relay is that it can be combined with IPv4/IPv6 relays to make a path more difficult to trace.

      I'm actually relived that the first use of this appears to be merely stealing music as opposed to sending spam.

    8. Re:I don't want to be a killjoy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cause we all know that playing mp3's is stealing music... *rolls eyes*

    9. Re:I don't want to be a killjoy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you have entirely too much time on your hands. Get a job. or a life. or both.

    10. Re:I don't want to be a killjoy by JamieF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dear Sir,
      After reading your recent /. post, I'm sorry to inform you that you've forfeited your rights to bitch about any of the following topics:
      - Consolidation of ownership of radio stations
      - Consolidation of news media into the hands of a few powerful corporations
      - How much talk radio sucks
      - Consolidation of popular music into a few "blockbuster" boy bands / half-naked babes
      - How much it sucks that the RIAA controls music distribution
      - Payola
      etc.

      Sorry you don't love Shoutcast but part of the reason that *most* but not *all* internet radio stations suck is that it still costs a lot to operate one - you have to have a ton of bandwidth.

      The exciting thing about IPv6 streaming radio is that there's almost no incremental cost to adding listeners - sorta like radio, but without the spectrum limitation. It completely changes the way that internet radio works. One schmoe with DSL would be able to reach (via multicasting) every single person on the internet, if they wanted to listen. That's huge. Think about what that would do to P2P. No queueing for the same file - everybody downloads it at once from the same stream.

      Pervasive multicasting makes some amazing things possible, and really gives the shaft to The Man.

    11. Re:I don't want to be a killjoy by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Did you respond to the wrong post? Your post contains a list of material unrelated to what I was talking about. KTHX BBYE.

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  7. Lovely... by mgcsinc · · Score: 1, Interesting

    to see an honest admission of what people really are using the internet for and see it's early implementation with IPv6... This will convince an interminable number of those who were sceptics for the sake of being so...

  8. Oh great by reynaert · · Score: 2, Funny

    Lots and lots of dance and similar junk. I think I'm staying away from IPv6 for a while.

    1. Re:Oh great by p0d · · Score: 1

      who cares what the format is? It's a viable application. The implementers are probably just dance-music enthusiasts, is all...i can think of worse music to stream...

    2. Re:Oh great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      "Lots and lots of dance and similar junk. I think I'm staying away from IPv6 for a while."

      You can always request that they stream other stations. I personally am considering asking them to restream Radio Heart which is a radio station that plays all kinds of stuff. And I mean ALL kinds of stuff. Check it out.

    3. Re:Oh great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, (buffering) it's (buffering) not too (buffering) bad.

    4. Re:Oh great by menacing_cheese · · Score: 1

      You know I'm not really sure why it still amazes me that there are people like this that have an utter lack of a sense of humor, but for some reason it still does.

  9. Re:Lol ...[off topic] by Matey-O · · Score: 3, Funny

    Did you hear that HDTV is an area where Pr0n _isn't_ leading the field?

    Evidently you can see too much detail. :O

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  10. Will Internet Radio Stations Lead the way to IPv6? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, this is interesting. They're relaying radio station streams using IPv6. I wonder if the people at Radio Heart (my favorite Internet Radio Station) would be interested in supporting this. I don't know if they'd want to "sell out" and just be some kind of poster child for IPv6 though. But I suppose I could e-mail them and ask them if it's something they'd like. It may give them more exposure.

  11. First time! by AmoebafromSweden · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is the furst guy to do something like this with IPv6.

    I guess he is also the first IPv6 user that will be sued by the RIAA.

    1. Re:First time! by ziggy_zero · · Score: 2, Funny

      I guess he is also the first IPv6 user that will be sued by the RIAA.

      Until the RIAA realizes all the mp3's being streamed are made by foreign techno artists that they can't pronounce the names of!

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    2. Re:First time! by Wibla · · Score: 2, Informative

      not exactly, a mate of mine has been running a little streaming of his own using icecast2 and ogg vorbis via ipv6 for a while..
      http://www.miro.no/stream/

    3. Re:First time! by snillfisk · · Score: 1

      This is the furst guy to do something like this with IPv6.

      Have a look at media.hiof.no -- where people have been providing streams of norwegian radio for quite some time now; available both on IPv4 and IPv6. There's probably a few good channels for those of you that don't want to listen to the technotrancemumbojumbo on the mentioned link in the submission :>
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  12. Re:MPAA fails it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol

  13. Why modded funny? It's TRUE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I believe that porn is also the reason the VCR really took off. You can watch pornos in the privacy of your own home. Isn't it great? I'd also have to say that if virtual reality ever takes off, it'll most likely be because of porn. Don't laugh. It's true.

  14. MP3--yuck! by Thinkit3 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    A patent-encumbered lossy audio compression scheme. I cringe every time I hear it. Why couldn't it be flac streaming?

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    1. Re:MP3--yuck! by Mopatop · · Score: 1

      You're kidding, right?

      Ogg vorbis is the way forwards. Incidentally, this claims to be Icecast6 - I thought Icecast was ogg streaming?

    2. Re:MP3--yuck! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cringe every time I see an idiot such as yourself say something stupid.

      Try streaming flac over dialup, and let me know how it works for you.

    3. Re:MP3--yuck! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Try streaming flac over dialup, and let me know how it works for you.

      People are still using analog dialup? What is this, 1995? For crying out loud I had ISDN 128Kbps Internet access in 1996. Move out of the sticks boys! Unless your phone company is completely braindead or you live in the remote wilderness somewhere there's no reason you can't get IDSL these days or at LEAST ISDN dialup.

    4. Re:MP3--yuck! by Nerull · · Score: 1

      Hah, I wish. Believe it or not, there are still many areas, including mine, where you cannot get anything more than 56k dialup.

    5. Re:MP3--yuck! by JamieF · · Score: 1

      >I cringe every time I hear it.
      Well then you need to relax. MP3 isn't the antichrist. Yeah, Ogg would be nicer, but it's better to have these guys pushing IPv6 and figuring out what the hurdles are than it would be to sit around saying "gosh we can't launch until we've made sure that we're doing it in the most perfect idealistic way, otherwise /. will get mad at us."

  15. Thank you by omar.sahal · · Score: 4, Funny

    All the site admins need to encourage IPv6 use! a good slashdoting


    Not a troll

  16. The difference you can HEAR by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow, IPv6 really made those mp3s sound better. It was almost as if I were there!

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    1. Re:The difference you can HEAR by garcia · · Score: 0, Troll

      yeah, those 300ms pings to the server really make it advantagous to use ipv6.

    2. Re:The difference you can HEAR by kwerle · · Score: 1

      yeah, those 300ms pings to the server really make it advantagous to use ipv6.

      I'm not sure what your point is, and I'm not sure why I'm posting this. So you're getting the song 300ms later than you would if it were local. It's the bandwidth that matters.

    3. Re:The difference you can HEAR by garcia · · Score: 1

      yeah, the frequent connection dropping, the high latency, and the fact that it's just pointless to use IPv6 when 99% of people are using it via IPv4.

  17. IPv666 by eskimoboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    This just in: RIAA uses the DMCA to shut down all IPv6 services, claiming they have the potential to distribute illegal MP3s.

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  19. Re:fp for me by DrMrLordX · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    But we all deserve death, don't we? Erm, eventually?

  20. flac by Thinkit3 · · Score: 1

    FLAC is patent-free just like ogg, but it is lossless compression. How about I use a lossy compression on your OS, hmm???

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    1. Re:flac by Mopatop · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah I know what FLAC is, but streamed? I mean, first you have the issue of encoding flac in realtime, but the bitrate on flac is far too high for most connections. Also the entire point of icecast and shoutcast is they scale to slow and fast connections pretty much transparently.

    2. Re:flac by Fweeky · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Yeah I know what FLAC is, but streamed? I mean, first you have the issue of encoding flac in realtime,

      Erm, FLAC is rather fast at encoding, provided you stick to the more sane settings and avoid --super-secret-totally-impractical-compression-lev el (yes, that is a real setting).
      but the bitrate on flac is far too high for most connections.

      It's fine for LAN situations; fileserver under stairs, player under TV, stream over network. The sort of people who would do something like this are precisely the sort of user who would appreciate lossless compression.
    3. Re:flac by Mopatop · · Score: 1

      Of course, but this is a Dutch stream.. hands up all those who are on a local LAN with Holland...

  21. Porn Drives Technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at websites. Porn sites were the first to develop "high-tech" password systems for the web, the first to develop quality credit card processing systems. The first in offering streaming videos, clips, high-quality pictures, etc...

    Look at DVDs. Can you give me any other reason for "Multiple Angles" on DVDs?

  22. Darn article descriptions by TrekkieGod · · Score: 4, Informative

    Although the description makes it sound otherwise, the streams are available only in IPv6. What is both in IPv4 and IPv6 is the page with the information about the stream.

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    1. Re:Darn article descriptions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they're only relaying existing IPv4 streams. Go to any of the featured streaming radio stations and click on the stream links: Voila, IPv4 streams.

  23. Re:MPAA fails it by Jellybob · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    And I now award you the price for funniest troll bait today.

    Congratulations, you've won a free shotgun, with which to shoot each and every active member of the GNAA.

  24. no excuses not to use IPv6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is a working M$ v6 kit now

    now.. no one has any excuse not to use it..

    Windows 2000 IPv6 Kit

    Win XP IPv6 HOW-TO

    1. Re:no excuses not to use IPv6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I activated it in XP but then removed it because it didn't work. I could ping6 the sites and they worked, but when I tried to go to any IPv6 sites in Opera it wouldn't work.. does Opera (6.05) support it? it also doesnt work when I enable my proxy (proxomitron)

    2. Re:no excuses not to use IPv6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Q. How can I force IPv6 connections using my Web browser?

      A.The new Internet extensions DLL, Wininet.dll, enables Web browsers to access IPv6-enabled Web servers. For example, Wininet.dll is used by Microsoft Internet Explorer to make connections with a Web server to view Web pages. Internet Explorer uses IPv6 to download Web pages when the Domain Name System (DNS) query (or hosts file) for the name of the Web server in the URL returns an IPv6 address. You can then connect to names that resolve only to IPv6. To verify that the DNS query returns IPv6 addresses, try to ping the Web server domain name using the Ping6.exe tool.

      For applications other than Internet Explorer: Connect using a literal IPv6 address. URLs that use the format for literal IPv6 addresses described in RFC 2732, "Format for Literal IPv6 Addresses in URLs," are not supported by the version of Internet Explorer provided with Windows XP.

      Note: Internet Explorer cannot browse IPv6 Web sites if it is configured to use a proxy server. When Internet Explorer is configured to use a proxy server, all name resolution requests for Web sites are forwarded to the proxy server. Until the proxy server is IPv6-enabled, proxy-based requests for local or remote IPv6 Web pages are unsuccessful. For information about how to configure Internet Explorer to operate without the use of a proxy server, see Internet Explorer Help.

      when all else fails.. RTFM!!!!

    3. Re:no excuses not to use IPv6 by DuSTman31 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think that's overstating the matter somewhat.. the Windows 2000 patch only works on Service Pack one. Not two or three.

      There's at least one excuse not to use it.

    4. Re:no excuses not to use IPv6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "This is a technology preview of IPv6 for Windows 2000. It is not a production quality implementation and should only be used for research or testing. It is not intended for production use."

    5. Re:no excuses not to use IPv6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, spoken like a true 12 year old...

    6. Re:no excuses not to use IPv6 by ressu · · Score: 1

      Interesting enough, that there are sites out there that advice you to poke around in the .inf files and change it to work on SP1+, it apparently does work too..

      never tried and even if i did the w2k version of IPv6 stack is pretty buggy

    7. Re:no excuses not to use IPv6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess your lack of any brain matter whatsoever caused you to miss the paragraph that started with For applications other than Internet Explorer: you fucking retard.

    8. Re:no excuses not to use IPv6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uhm... so?

      you can quote a linked page. woo?

      are you mirroring incase microsoft.com gets slashdotted? Or are you just an idiot?

    9. Re:no excuses not to use IPv6 by perly-king-69 · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is a technology preview of IPv6 for Windows 2000. It is not a production quality implementation and should only be used for research or testing. It is not intended for production use.

      Are they talking about the IPv6 stack or Windows 2000?

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  25. PARENT NOT FLAMEBAIT... LIGHTEN UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Was THIS the quote that led to the post being modded down?

    "Using IP6 for this thing, are they? Sounds hi-tech, but I hope it works for all the IPv6 users out there. Both of them!"

    If so, I really think this joke about the slow pace in which IPv6 is being adopted should really be taken as just that. A joke. And as a few child posters pointed out, music and porn DO drive technology.

  26. RIAA can't do anything by teklob · · Score: 2, Informative

    The government is backing IPv6 now, remember?

    1. Re:RIAA can't do anything by lewger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That was the military not specifically the government, though I guess it's easy to mistake the military and the government these days...

  27. RIAA in IPv6? by kyoko21 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's great that they are now streaming in IPv6. I wonder when RIAA will track them down and force them to pay the royalties on the audio streams they are providing. Perhaps people will start migrating p2p applications to IPv6 so at least for the time being, RIAA will be behind the times. When RIAA catches up, just move the application to the new experimental IP stack. Welcome to the new cat-and-mouse game.

    1. Re:RIAA in IPv6? by Mopatop · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Worse.

      You use KaZaA on your university's connection, they can track it all to your uni, and that's where it stops.

      You use KaZaA with IPv6 on your uni's connection, and they can track it straight to your computer.

    2. Re:RIAA in IPv6? by EpsCylonB · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Q. How do I install the IPv6 Protocol for Windows XP or Windows XP with Service Pack 1 (SP1)?

      A.

      To install the IPv6 Protocol for Windows XP:

      1. Log on to the computer running Windows XP with a user account that has privileges to change network configuration.
      2. Open a command prompt. From the Windows XP desktop, click Start, point to Programs, point to Accessories, and then click Command Prompt.
      3. At the command prompt, type:

      ipv6 install


      Wow, it was literally that easy, now what did it actually do ?

    3. Re:RIAA in IPv6? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Unless your ISP is on the 6bone, not a whole hell of a lot. Probably makes Windows take longer to start up, and keeps more memory allocated.

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    4. Re:RIAA in IPv6? by caluml · · Score: 1
      You use KaZaA with IPv6 on your uni's connection, and they can track it straight to your computer.

      There are an awful lot of addresses per subnet to pick from - how will they track it to yours?

    5. Re:RIAA in IPv6? by kyoko21 · · Score: 1

      Granted they can track the use of the IPv6 address to your IPv4 address. But unless they are running packet sniffers against your IPv6-to-IPv4 datagrams and actually exam the IPv6 datagrams, I don't think they would be able to track you.

      Also, you must realize that there aren't any Kazaa clients that is IPv6ed, yet... so the idea of P2Ping on IPv6 is still a pipe dream... none the less.... still kind of cool though :-)

  28. Uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We all die, yes... But that doesn't mean we deserve it. Read a dictionary sometime.

    1. Re:Uh by DrMrLordX · · Score: 1

      I didn't mean that in a negative connotation, you know. Going without death would be rather, uh, horrific and/or boring.

      I'd like to think I deserve death. Just not right now, thank you very much.

  29. Evidently this isn't just a porn problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I know you were joking, but apparently this is kind of a problem for TV actors. Some shows that now shoot in HDTV, the actors don't like it because you can see too much detail, ie. flaws in their appearance, things makeup doesn't cover enough for such a high resolution. Supposedly once they get the hang of lighting things differently for HDTV, they should be able to go around the problem.

    Can you imagine people watching "Friends" and realizing 'Hey... Wait a second, Poebe looks like she's 73 years old!'

  30. MTV by MyHair · · Score: 1

    MTV quit playing music years ago.

  31. cure some ignorance by tomstdenis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Even if I load the ipv6 module in linux and use ipv6 applications. Doesn't my ISP have to route ipv6 packets before I can even use it?

    Tom

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    1. Re:cure some ignorance by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      70% interesting, 30% insightful...

      100% question! I really don't know about if the ISP must support it [and what plans ISPs take about that]!!! :-)

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    2. Re:cure some ignorance by Styx · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No, you can do IPv6 tunneling over IPv4. See http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2001/06/01/ipv6 _tutorial.html for instance.

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    3. Re:cure some ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to tunnel it at present. ISPs will not support it until it just happens to come with all their cisco hardware.

    4. Re:cure some ignorance by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      Doesn't sending an IPv6 packet over a IPv4 tunnel still have the exact same flaws IPv4 has anyways? I mean ultimately you are either proxying off someone who has a IPv6 gateway or you are just wasting bandwidth over IPv4.

      Me thinks network designers should have been more forward minded 25 years ago or so :-) [yeah yeah, heinsight is powerful].

      Tom

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    5. Re:cure some ignorance by caouchouc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Doesn't sending an IPv6 packet over a IPv4 tunnel still have the exact same flaws IPv4 has anyways?

      Not really. People tunnel IP over ethernet all the time (got broadband? You're doing it right now), and it doesn't have all of ethernet's limitations.
      IPv6 likewise retains its advantages over IPv4. It just uses v4 links as a transport mechansim much like v4 uses PPP/Ethernet/ATM/etc... Those IPv4 tunnels are just like any other link. You can route through them transparently and reach your IPv6 peers.

      I mean ultimately you are either proxying off someone who has a IPv6 gateway or you are just wasting bandwidth over IPv4.

      No need for a dedicated proxy; you just need to know who your peers are so you can fire packets down tunnels to them. Routing, not proxying.
      That said, getting rid of the tunnels and using IPv6 directly would be much cleaner and reduce overhead.

    6. Re:cure some ignorance by duckstab · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hurricane Electric offers IPv6 tunnels, and will allocate you a /64 block of addresses. The application forms and some excellent tutorial materials can be found at http://ipv6.he.net/

  32. Run out ?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    If they would police what they got, unlock the black zones and just plain PUSH nat instead of IPv6 as the solution vs the tracking ability and geo-locators which is what they really want. Why on Earth would you want the general users on PUBLIC numbers anyways ? just to make it easier for the meatheads to get reamed by a spammer or some DOS trojan. The VERY MYTH that we are running out of IP's is hysterically funny to me, when HUGE blocks are assigned to companies that have been DEFUNCT FOR YEARS NOW, and the so-called BLACK ZONES the government is 'hiding' are actually be heisted by the spammers on a regular basis BECAUSE they are unused just high lights the fact that once again the 'NEED' is manufactured by someone with somthing to gain....Let the consumers drive the market and quite biting the corps hook everytime they drop a worm eh ?? Users will BUY or HAVE DEVELOPED what they want, what they DON't you will seee hang around for years like a zombie and be pushed by INDUSTRY and payed corporate mouth-pieces ^H^H^H^H^H politicians...

    1. Re:Run out ?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      NAT creates all sorts of problems, by design, not by implementation. The lack of IPv4 addresses in the near future is obvious, it's not debatable, it's a fact. If you don't believe it, start counting people on this planet, multiply (at least) by 3 for one phone, one computer and one infrastructure device. See if that fits into 32 bits. IPv6 offers many more improvements, but if you're too blind to see the most obvious one, you probably won't appreciate the rest.

    2. Re:Run out ?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Look up AEIOU from 1994 and see what we could be running today if it hadn't been essentially ignored or dismissed at the time.

      The basic idea in a nutshell: you have your IPv4 addresses still, and you encapsulate another 32 bit address inside that. Taken to the extreme, it basically gives you a network of 2^32 addresses for every one of the existing 2^32 IPv4 addresses.

      When you're stuck with a single IP address from your ISP for whatever reason, your logic works like this: connect to my real IP address A, then bounce through the gateway to real system B.

      AEIOU would essentially work like that. The packets would have a destination of A like any other IPv4 header, and A would look inside (at the IP options, perhaps) to push it along to B.

      It stands for "Address Extension by IP Option Usage", and that was about 10 years ago. Just think - everyone on consumer grade DSL/cable modems could have a single dynamic address with the freedom to use an entire Internet worth of internal addresses. And yet, that entire internal space would be able to talk to any host on the outside if they wanted to do it. All this happens transparently - the systems in the middle handle it like any other IPv4 packet.

    3. Re:Run out ?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Big deal. It's a tunnel, so to speak. The "outer" IP address forms the equivalent of the "routing part" of an IPv6 address, and the "inner" IP address plays the role of the "host part" of an IPv6 address. So far so good, but you obviously get only one benefit of IPv6, only half of it (64bit, semistatically divided into only 32bits routing/host parts) and at the cost of special packet treatment on the clients and gateway routers (because the clients have to add the complete target address and the gateways have to resolve the internal address to pass the packet on to the right internal machine.) NAT (2^48 addresses) is a better (more transparent to the clients) solution to this problem, and it still sucks. If you're going to these lengths just to get longer addresses, you might as well go for the real thing.

    4. Re:Run out ?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compare the "lengths" for IPv6 vs. those for AEIOU or any other similar system.

      IPv6: change out every piece of routing equipment between the endpoints, or arrange for enough tunnels to reach every endpoint you want to talk to, like we have now

      AEIOU/etc: change out the endpoints and immediate gateways and keep everything else

      Yeah, I know it's evil and ugly and so on compared to the elegance of a complete rebuild. Just remember that many people seem to like incremental changes and small steps rather than tossing everything out wholesale.

      Here's a scenario for you. I buy DSL from somewhere and get a single static IP address - A. I run a gateway on it and advertise a server (B) behind this in the AEIOU space. The gateway answers on A, rewrites the IP headers to stuff the "real" (internal) destination in there, and off it goes. My hosts inside the network speak normal IPv4 and have no idea that anything is different. On the way back out, the gateway flips the stuff around, burying the internal address (B) in an IP option and sets the source to itself (A).

      So, let's review what I have now. Special gateway? Check. Special stuff on the computers who connect to me? Check. That's it.

      Sure, it's like a tunnel, but it's the sort of tunnel that doesn't require explicit work to set up in advance. Anyone can use it automatically.

    5. Re:Run out ?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not thinking this through.

      I run a gateway on it and advertise a server (B) behind this in the AEIOU space.

      How? (to be more precise: Which DNS record do you have in mind?)

      On the way back out, the gateway flips the stuff around, burying the internal address (B) in an IP option and sets the source to itself (A).

      That's only one direction. The other direction is that your inner host may have to talk to another AEIOU host. The gateway can't know which address extension to add, so the client will have to do that. *Poof*, you need new client/server software. You have to be able to enter the full target address or the app has to be able to use extended DNS resolution. Coincidentally, these are also practically the only things which need to be changed for an application to support IPv6. The gateway requirements are practically the same, too.

      The AEIOU addressing scheme suffers from the same problems which hold back IPv6. Do you really think it would be a big deal to route IPv6 if there were applications for it? If all else fails, just use automatic 6to4 tunnelling. Gives you exactly the same advantages and overhead as AEIOU, but when IPv6 becomes the norm, you can just leave out the tunnel and switch to native IPv6 routing without further modifications.

  33. Community at work... by CoolVibe · · Score: 1, Interesting
    I'm already hacking the FreeBSD xmms port to incorporate ipv6 support (with the help of the implemntation offered). I just looove diff.

    Of course I will be send-pr'ing the thing, so watch your favourite FreeBSD ports mailinglist.

    I'll post it to my website when I have tested it ;)

    1. Re:Community at work... by CoolVibe · · Score: 1
      right, I sent out a send-pr with the modified xmms port... Anyone up for hosting the modded ipv6-enabled xmms port? My upstream can't handle slashdotting.

      Drop me a line if you have a little bandwith to spare (although the port files are very small).

    2. Re:Community at work... by CoolVibe · · Score: 1

      never mind... You can get the shar file at gnats. The id in gnats is ports/54685. For lazy people, a clickable link to gnats here.

  34. To Whomever Modded This Down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck you, asshole. There's a shitload of posts that need to be modded up, why do you waste your time modded a 0 to -1. You stupid fucking useless waste of space.

  35. linux ipv6 streamreading software by lethalwp · · Score: 2, Informative



    xmms-ipv6 patched failed for me, as mpg123 latest version failed (wanted to use my v4 to read v6)
    so here is a little trick on how to read the stream:

    use latest mpg123 & an ipv6 enabled lynx:
    lynx -dump http://ipv6.lkml.org:8000/difm | ./mpg123 -v -

    or use latest cvs mpg321 with a read-patch applied (which is in the bug list of sourceforge mpg321 project), else it will read the stream too fast
    and use same kind of command than before

  36. Can anybody translate? by sharkey · · Score: 1, Funny

    How do you say, "What the fuck do you think you're doing" in Dutch?

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    1. Re:Can anybody translate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Waar denken jullie godverdomme mee bezig te zijn?"

      It's not a literal translation, but close.

    2. Re:Can anybody translate? by olderchurch · · Score: 1

      Because I can comes to mind, which translates to "omdat het mogelijk is".

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    3. Re:Can anybody translate? by Ella+the+Cat · · Score: 1

      How do you say, "What the fuck do you think you're doing" in Dutch?

      I'm advised: "Wat denk je dat je aan het doen bent, lul?"

    4. Re:Can anybody translate? by The+J+Kid · · Score: 1

      "What the fuck do you think you're doing"

      =

      "Wat de F*ck denk je dat je aan het doen bent?"

      (yes the proper word for fuck in that context is fuck (pronounced fock) in dutch =)

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    5. Re:Can anybody translate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "How do you say, "What the fuck do you think you're doing" in Dutch?"

      And then we'd have to find out how to say "THIS IS WHAT THE FUCK I THINK I'M DOING!"

  37. Sigh... by sweet+'n+sour · · Score: 4, Informative

    Good... Maybe someone else will have better luck convincing Nullsoft that ipv6 actually IS desired:

    http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=3b5228a9 5119a267d91817195a9ad715&threadid=125475&highlight =ipv6

    Btw, same goes for ipv6 support in Mozilla for windows... the *nix versions have had ipv6 support for a while now, right?
    Are there any other ipv6 alternatives for windows? IE and Windows Media Player both have ipv6 support for win2k sp3 and up as well as XP, but I'd rather not use those if possible.

  38. Re:The Future by jinglecat · · Score: 0

    This should have not been modded down. It was a joke. Har Har

  39. How about multicast? by -tji · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you're going to push for a major networking change with streaming media, go for multicast instead. It has a huge direct benefit for streaming media.. The stream source would only need bandwidth for one stream, not one stream multiplied by the number of listeners.

    1. Re:How about multicast? by The+Creator · · Score: 1

      Guess what one of the advantages of v6 is over v4.

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    2. Re:How about multicast? by -tji · · Score: 1

      > Guess what one of the advantages of v6 is over v4.

      I assume, based on the context, you are saying that multicast is somehow better/easier in IPv6. Can you expand on why that is?

      As far as I can see, the challenge is getting ISP's to support multicast routing protocols, and getting them to cooperate and support multicast routing to/from other ISP's. Is that significantly different in IPv6 than in IPv4?

    3. Re:How about multicast? by tweakt · · Score: 1

      MOD PARENT UP!!

      I've been screaming about this for a while. Multicast is such a simple solution its a no-brainer. Like IPSEC, Multicast should (if it's not already) be a mandatory part of IPv6.

      It's just ridiculous that to broadcast the SAME EXACT 128k stream to 100,000 people, you need over 100Mbit of bandwidth...

      What multicast allows a single stream to be sent to multiple destinations but the splits only occur AT the routers closest to the listeners. A multicast router will simply mirror the traffic to all the ports that have listeners. It not only solves the issue of a single source need 1(N) bandwith, but at any point in the network the badwidth consumed is equal to that of a single stream.

      In other words:

      If 5,000 people on your local ISP listened to the same multicast stream, it would use no more bandwidth than one person.

      To put it in pretty ascii art:

      (sorry... can't... STUPID LAMENESS FILTER @*(#$^@#)

  40. MPlayer loves these streams by CoolQ · · Score: 1

    If you're looking for a linux IPv6-capable player, try MPlayer. It's working great for me on their mirror of WolfFM. IPv6 support should be automatic.
    --Quentin

  41. What the hell is that ASCII drawing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    Weird.

  42. Re:The Future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Joke, huh? I'm still waiting to laugh.

  43. IPv6 DOES sound better! by The+Creator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the multicasting(that saves bandwidt) means the station can up the bitrate.

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  44. While people are stuck with IPv4 by The+Creator · · Score: 1

    It seem trivial to implement P2P radio. If you send out just 2 streams, and every listener resends the stream to just 2 guys, you can reach 2046 listeners with just 10 hops.

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    1. Re:While people are stuck with IPv4 by ZenJabba1 · · Score: 1

      I was thinking about this the other night... I have been doing some coding about this to figure out how viable.

      It is pretty easy to do, you just need the protocol to tell the listener where to pick up the stream from and what to do when it gets disconnected

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      `find / -name "*your_base*" -exec chown us:us {} \;`
    2. Re:While people are stuck with IPv4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.peercast.org

      Now tell them to fix it on FreeBSD!

  45. heh, promotion, yeah. Good one. by fuali · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It really cracks me up that this is a site to promote stuff. With its lack of design, poor English (yes I know they are Dutch), and tech talk, it is only preaching to the choir.

    The problem with IPv6, and for that matter just about any open-source project, is not that it lacks the marketing budget, it's that it's promoted by pale faced geeks that don't know or care about the rest of the world thinks.

    Well without the "outside world's" approval nothing will happen. IPv6 is dead in the water unless one of the following to things happens.

    1) The transition from IPv4 to IPv6 is completely transparent. If a user has any compatibility problems or has to type anything into a command line forget it. If you have to rely on the public to actually learn something and do it, game over.

    2) Every manufacturer of software and hardware will have to plan the obsolescence of IPv4. Like they are trying to do with HDTV, What they did with Vinyl LP's and Eight Tracks. This will take years, and when they finally have it, it too will be obsolete.

    1. Re:heh, promotion, yeah. Good one. by Diabolical · · Score: 1

      Okay, thank you for pointing out the obvious. If you know what we need to do to promote it outside of the geek scope why don't you help out or give some advice instead of just whining about it...

      This is not meant to insult you. Just that i am sick of all those people calling any kind of project a failure because it doesn't cater to the right people but do not want to change a thing about it.

      Please, put up or shut up.

      As for your other comments, yes, you're right. IPv4 to IPv6 transition will only be successfull if it is completely transparent. And that's not a problem. Not because it needs to be but because it will be. Future OS's will support it out of the box. As will new hardware.

      The only reason why it hasn't yet replaced IPv4 is because hardware like routers, switches etc. without support for IPv6 are still widely used and need to be replaced or reconfigured which is a costly affair. And since the Internet is mainly a bunch of routers switches etc. (aside from the obvious servers) this could take a while. In the meantime people can start using IPv6 and experiment with it. This would give a strong signal to companies to speed up the transition. And yes, it only needs to be sped up since the transition to IPv6 is allready going on, albeit slowly.

  46. Re:The Future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shit jokes like yours get modbombed. Nothing personal.

  47. lpv6 LANDGRAB by stewwy · · Score: 1

    This article interested me in ipv6, so in true /. fashion I went off on a tangent and found ARIN's policy doc on ipv6 at http://www.arin.net/policy/ipv6_policy.html if you scroll to section 4.1 you'll find an interesting paragraph, obviously for a range of numbers more or less infinite they have to find a way of overcharging and making them valuable.

    1. Re:lpv6 LANDGRAB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't very different from the current allocation policy for IPv4. It was different in the beginning, but the property-like allocation of IPv4 addresses wasted address space and thereby caused address space fragmentation and routing problems. IPv6 makes renumbering much easier than with IPv4, so moving a large number of machines to a different allocation isn't as big a deal as it is now. The goal is to create smaller routing tables by aggregating allocations in an efficient manner. IP addresses are free (except for the cost of documenting that you meet the formal requirements), so there is no overcharging involved.

  48. Re:MPAA fails it by jjamezz · · Score: 0

    stupid is as stupid... uhhhh

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  49. Umm. by Sesse · · Score: 1

    Is this supposed to be something new? I remember seeing IPv6 MP3 streams (and later IPv6 Vorbis streams) a year or so ago, and I'd guess they weren't new even then.

    To me, this sounds more like "hey, let's set up an IPv6 relay to promote our stream, perhaps we can even get a Slashdot post". It's not like IPv6 hasn't been a part of Icecast2 for a while now ;-)

    /* Steinar */

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  50. IPv6 streaming - simple by riflemann · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've also hacked my own copy of icecast2 to accept connections over IPv6, and now listen to TripleJ and various other Sydney-based radio stations regularly online.

    Just playing my part to support the adoption of IPv6..

    My IPv6 Ogg Vorbis stream keeps me sane!

    Or for those without AAAA DNS working:

    http://[2001:618:400::cb12:26db]:8000/live.ogg

    Slashcode doesnt support IPv6 html links it seems :(

  51. IPv6 relays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If you want to listen to Nectarine radio in IPv6, point your player to (IPv6 only): nectarine.ipv6.oulu.fi:8002 or nectarine.ipv6.oulu.fi:8004 or nectarine.ipv6.oulu.fi:8006 for different bitrates. Replace nectarine with sik1 if you wish to access the IPv4 stream instead. I set the IPv6 portion up something like a year ago, and it's been working reliably ever since.

  52. Exactly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they aren't multicasting this stream, then they are doing IPv6 absolutely no favours.

    Multicast is the heart of IPv6. It may be underutilized by IPv4, but there is NO reason not to use it in IPv6 right from the start.

    Unicast streaming is incredibly wasteful and there is no reason to do it in IPv6 land.

  53. Nothing new by zcougar · · Score: 1

    I have done it with older Icecast and now with Icecast2 more than year already. Look at http://icecast.version6.net:8888/status.xsl

  54. About the below comment.... by Rahga · · Score: 1

    These moderators need to get their heads checked.... Complete overreaction to a diss about another worthless slashdot story.

  55. Putting up... by fuali · · Score: 1
    I am, by far, not a PR expert. But there are a few things I do know.
    • Promotion has to appeal and serve the target audience. So a text only page with a bunch of tech-speak and command line installation instructions will not appeal to the target audience, the policy makers.
    • If you want to convince some one to make a change, you have to show them that it will either do one of three things.
      1. Save them money.
      2. Make life easier.
      3. or, Help avoid a disaster.
      Streaming MP3's is nice, but I can do that with IPv4.
    • When ever you want to change a standard. The target should be the governing body of that standrad. If no particular body governs a standard, then start lobbying your country's government to push the standard, and remember the two previous items in this list.