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the messiness of "...kereba...hoto ii" comes from the fact that you can't make it out from anywhere. "the more... the better" is an contraction from "the more... (option) (is) the better (one)." The same cannot be said about the japanese counterpart.
you have to admit that "shitara" CAN be part of a conditional form. I believe it is difficult to have a robot parse this correctly without understanding context.
"...te iru" is the present perfect tense in japanese. if you want to call it "state," fine. however, just like "hanashite iru" means "the state of speaking," "haite iru" SHOULD mean (grammatically speaking) "the state of entering," not "the state of *having entered*," which would be a completely different tense. "the state of being in the shower" should use a different verb, like "iru," instead of "hairu," if the language is to stay grammatically consistent. It doesn't and as a human being I make exceptions and just deal with it - but again I believe it supports my original argument that japanese grammar is full of irregularities, making it much more difficult to parse than english.
Heh... I swear if some anal moderator comes along we are all going to karma-heck for this string of exchanges. probably "off-topic" or something...
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I know what the phrase mean. I am trying to demonstrate the messiness of japanese grammar. Like I said, the sentense, if decomposed grammatically (following all other established rules of inflection) has no meaning.
"shitara" would also have multiple meanings that is difficul to distinguish too - another possible meaning is "if I do ___," which is again, grammatically ambiguous.
Besides the fact that I am very disapponited "haite iru" doesn't mean what I think it should (I mean, wouldn't life be that much easier if it did mean "while entering?"), my main point is that parsing japanese is a pain in the butt (follow the thread up a few levels), if not impossible.
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I was actually thinking (faster the better)
haykereba hayai hodo ii desu
which makes no sense grammatically ("if fast then level of fast (is) good").
as for "while entering," in english it would imply the instance when you are passing through the door. tochuu means "on my way to," which is not precise - it can mean (and actually implies) "from the time I left my house and when I got to the (public) bath." A technically sound translation of "while entering" SHOULD be
"haite iru toki," (at the time of entering)
but "haite iru," though SUPPOSED to mean "while entering," actually means "while inside," nevermind that technically "while inside" should be "ite iru."
I don't claim to be japanese expert, but I am not completely uninformed.
What I mean is that when the robots stand "straight" their knees are still bent; maybe at about 150-170 degrees or so.
I thought it had to do with having the range for keeping balance (i.e. if legs locks straight, robot falls), but I'm just guessing. looks really silly, though.
I actually think you are instead of thinking of something like this.This model is probably going to be silent for the forseeable future, but I think I'd buy one of that before a cheesy metallic sony-bot.
actually, to be honest most japanese women sounds about the same (depending on age, anyhow) in the girly tone, as unbelievable as it might seem. I mean, it must not be very good for the vocal cord...
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hmm. peachy
until you want to express "the faster the better" (does not translate literally, at ALL), "I bumped my head while entering the bath" (as far as i know there is no expressing for "while entering," as any japanese equivalent to english versions mean "while bathing"), or interpret "yorushiku" or "sumimasen" in their million and half meanings.
and I havn't even begun to count the thousands of "sound the exact same" words. a simple example might be "kanji," which, depending on the "kanji - chinese characters" can mean "kanji - feeling," or "kanji - work." try differentiating them.
I cannot imagine anybody who knows japanese well to even have a thought that japanese is easy to parse. AFAIK french is easy to parse - but I am sorry Japanese is far from it.
oh, and I counted 9 different "requesting somebody to do stuff" politeness levels the other day, not counting multiple politeness level combinations (verb + politeness suffix + request / command + politeness suffix for the request). Japanese people themselves hardly can differentiate which one is more polite than the other.
lastly, since all kanji characters have different meanings - you can more-or less guess the entire language if you have a sense of what every kanji means (this is why chinese people can usually understand what's going on in a japanese newspaper). so 20k words vs 20k kanji is very much different.
in Japanese, right? in which case (if we count kanji characters) is a LOT.
btw japanese is a pain in the butt compared to english - I think if the robot really manages conversation in japanese, english is cake. Why I say that? most spoken japanese has no subject, object, and ususally can be interpreted in multiple ways based on context.
lastly, notice all the humanoid robots go around with slightly bent knees. whassup with that? anybody know? I go around with a bent knee because I am bow-legged, but I hardly think the sony robot has that problem.
assuming you mean "double the chip bandwidth," keep in mind that when you switch between read and write you incur some serious penalties. dedicated in and out removes this problem, something that "doubling the bandwidth" will never solve. considering that the framebuffer is always switching between read (screen refresh) and write (draw), this switch penalty is not trivial. anyway, think of it as "pipelined memory."
power pins addres pins control pins i/o timing sync pins ground pins no-connect pins (for improving signal quality)
so adding a few dozen (yes a few dozen - because the 256-bit data bandwidth is achieved with multiple chips) pins on a 460 pin BGA is hardly difficult.
How about the "Action/Adventure" isle (the likes of GTA3 / batman forever / MDK) - granted, GTA3 should probably be in the "criminal training" isle
And then we have the hillbillies isle (sorry but it's true. Go look at Walmart sometimes - a walmart in the middle of nowhere, especially)
Last but not least, we got the always-popular-but-nobody-admits-it adult isle. They are big in japan anyway; the states have their share too.
New and good games comes out all the time. Might want to broaden your horizen a little - and they don't always fall into the three categories you describe...
Example: Max Payne might seem like Quake - but is fundamentally differet
Homeworld / Catalysm might seem like Warcraft - but again very different (much better IMHO)
DoA beach volley ball might seem like a sports game - but really borderlines on "kinky foreplay." Badly executed one, but an attempt nontheless.
the special requirement of graphics specific RAM is the simultaneous in/out access. (At least that's my understanding of VRAM (video RAM))
For that point, why arn't they doing a QDR architecture? QDR is basically DDR but with dedicated in / out pins (separate) that allows this kind of simultaneous read/write.
Granted, pin count is higher but I think it would be better suited to the graphics people.
That or I am not quite clear on the GDDR-n specs. heh. Or I am thinking about frame-buffer memory instead of texture memory (AFAIK the latter only need to be continuously read, really fast) hmm...
how can they say some of this with a straight face
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light-gun games are dying? over all the dead bodies I collected from Time Crisis, Time Crisis II, Vampire Night, plus whatever else that I havn't quite bought due to money issues.
On the other hand, the "beat-em-up" - isn't an older version of mortal kombat (which, admittedly, died) had a "keep going" mode that was pretty much like that?
And frogger (3D) is not a fine replacement for pacman/woman/child/mutant-uncle?
Space-shooters have their own incarnations too. in arcades especially. It is amazing how many 194_ variations there are in Japanese arcades. metal slug is available if you want a side-ways-scroll one
I do agree with the graphic adventure, though. Space quest was the bomb. Leisure Suit larry was some crazy stuff too...
However, I would like to remind everyone that in fact I am quite sure that particular genre lives on as adult games. (same thing for full-motion video ones) - so, don't fear - the games are just growing up along with the rest of us. heh.
and no, nobody misses the ghetto edutainment crap.
In fact, Dell used to put out 14.1 inch screens with UXGA resoltion but seem to have stopped that practice (gf got one, loving it too)...
seriously thinking about plucking down the bux for a d800 (WUXGA at 1920x1200 and centrino-battery-life).
sigh... why can't apple make screens like that on their powerbooks? Am I the only person out there who would pay for a powerbook with that kind of screen, even if it was twice the price of the said dell?
Yeah but that doesn't change the fact that they already have the core OS. Moving that to OSS, fine; but what does linux has to do with it? I am not arguing against the need for an OS for the progressively complex embedded systems, but the relationship (advantages, no less) thereof (especially in this case) with linux?
takes advantage of open source software and the benefits of Linux.
not trolling, but a genuine question: advantage of open source I can understand - what benefit does linux bring to the embedded world, if they already have the core OS?
slashdot, news for criminals, techniques that work.
Heck; with all of us adamently defending these kids, when will the feds get the bright idea that slashdot is in fact "news for terroists, stuff that'll get you shot"?
focus:click and focus:follow is okay. I don't know what's "sloppy" - But I don't think it's possible
I don't personally like raise:border (especially paird with GNOME's 1-px border), and windows don't implement it, so I don't really care; raise when click is default (in fact, you can't have the window NOT raise when clicked).
autoraise on focus gain is okay, there is a "autoraise delay" you can set; I didn't think it was all that, though.
That's like saying "We don't need object orientation because assembly is perfectly good for whacking out efficient and fast code."
There is a place for everything - I think OS is here to stay because it is an important layer between hardware and software (applications).
The reason you can get away with tiny OS's on PDAs is because you hardly need the expandability (pci slots?), compatibility (across multiple platforms), and features (multi-tasking, particularly) of desktop systems that has become very diverse in its functions (from email to games to servers to video-edit).
So, while I don't think Linux is "cutting edge" in many areas, I still hold the ground that there isn't any reasonable way to go around without it.
something about a guy who stole money / robbed a store JUST so that he would go to jail to be away from his wife. The judge decided that since he was not stealing with the intention of theft, he was not guilty and don't get to goto jail. (in the other words, be still under the whips and chains of his wife - which might be a fitting punishment?)
Could have just been a joke that I took for real, though...
off the same lines the processors are the same (same number of gates, same manufacturing process, etc), so the speed is affected by the frequency. a 2.5G system running at 2GHz will not get you any less heat than a 2GHz chip running at full speed.
use better fans on the money you save from the 500MHz you give up, though.
u guys ever actually know anything before sprouting off? or what?
a CPU is not a resistor, so don't expect the power-drain to be similar to be a linear thing like a resistor.
CMOS process (read about how they work) forms a channel for one of the two transistors, and to form the channel the power needed is in the nA (nano-amp) range. to maintain the channel, similar.
but when CMOS drains power is when the pair switches - i.e. both transistors are partially ON. current flows from power to ground through a relatively low resistance channel, wasted as heat.
so, for a modern processor, (or SRAM, or whatever based on CMOS), the steady-state power is negledgable, but scales pretty much linearly to frequency - you can count the number of transistors transisting to be another factor (so 100% usage of FPU at 3GHz is different power consumption than the same of the integer unit), but it's not worth the trouble.
Conclusion? yes reducing speed reduces power MOST EFFECTIVELY, besides process (manufacture) changes.
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the messiness of "...kereba...hoto ii" comes from the fact that you can't make it out from anywhere. "the more ... the better" is an contraction from "the more ... (option) (is) the better (one)." The same cannot be said about the japanese counterpart.
you have to admit that "shitara" CAN be part of a conditional form. I believe it is difficult to have a robot parse this correctly without understanding context.
"...te iru" is the present perfect tense in japanese. if you want to call it "state," fine. however, just like "hanashite iru" means "the state of speaking," "haite iru" SHOULD mean (grammatically speaking) "the state of entering," not "the state of *having entered*," which would be a completely different tense. "the state of being in the shower" should use a different verb, like "iru," instead of "hairu," if the language is to stay grammatically consistent. It doesn't and as a human being I make exceptions and just deal with it - but again I believe it supports my original argument that japanese grammar is full of irregularities, making it much more difficult to parse than english.
Heh... I swear if some anal moderator comes along we are all going to karma-heck for this string of exchanges. probably "off-topic" or something...
I know what the phrase mean. I am trying to demonstrate the messiness of japanese grammar. Like I said, the sentense, if decomposed grammatically (following all other established rules of inflection) has no meaning.
"shitara" would also have multiple meanings that is difficul to distinguish too - another possible meaning is "if I do ___," which is again, grammatically ambiguous.
Besides the fact that I am very disapponited "haite iru" doesn't mean what I think it should (I mean, wouldn't life be that much easier if it did mean "while entering?"), my main point is that parsing japanese is a pain in the butt (follow the thread up a few levels), if not impossible.
I was actually thinking (faster the better)
haykereba hayai hodo ii desu
which makes no sense grammatically ("if fast then level of fast (is) good").
as for "while entering," in english it would imply the instance when you are passing through the door. tochuu means "on my way to," which is not precise - it can mean (and actually implies) "from the time I left my house and when I got to the (public) bath." A technically sound translation of "while entering" SHOULD be
"haite iru toki," (at the time of entering)
but "haite iru," though SUPPOSED to mean "while entering," actually means "while inside," nevermind that technically "while inside" should be "ite iru."
I don't claim to be japanese expert, but I am not completely uninformed.
What I mean is that when the robots stand "straight" their knees are still bent; maybe at about 150-170 degrees or so.
I thought it had to do with having the range for keeping balance (i.e. if legs locks straight, robot falls), but I'm just guessing. looks really silly, though.
actually, to be honest most japanese women sounds about the same (depending on age, anyhow) in the girly tone, as unbelievable as it might seem. I mean, it must not be very good for the vocal cord...
hmm. peachy
until you want to express "the faster the better" (does not translate literally, at ALL), "I bumped my head while entering the bath" (as far as i know there is no expressing for "while entering," as any japanese equivalent to english versions mean "while bathing"), or interpret "yorushiku" or "sumimasen" in their million and half meanings.
and I havn't even begun to count the thousands of "sound the exact same" words. a simple example might be "kanji," which, depending on the "kanji - chinese characters" can mean "kanji - feeling," or "kanji - work." try differentiating them.
I cannot imagine anybody who knows japanese well to even have a thought that japanese is easy to parse. AFAIK french is easy to parse - but I am sorry Japanese is far from it.
oh, and I counted 9 different "requesting somebody to do stuff" politeness levels the other day, not counting multiple politeness level combinations (verb + politeness suffix + request / command + politeness suffix for the request). Japanese people themselves hardly can differentiate which one is more polite than the other.
lastly, since all kanji characters have different meanings - you can more-or less guess the entire language if you have a sense of what every kanji means (this is why chinese people can usually understand what's going on in a japanese newspaper). so 20k words vs 20k kanji is very much different.
in Japanese, right? in which case (if we count kanji characters) is a LOT.
btw japanese is a pain in the butt compared to english - I think if the robot really manages conversation in japanese, english is cake. Why I say that? most spoken japanese has no subject, object, and ususally can be interpreted in multiple ways based on context.
lastly, notice all the humanoid robots go around with slightly bent knees. whassup with that? anybody know? I go around with a bent knee because I am bow-legged, but I hardly think the sony robot has that problem.
assuming you mean "double the chip bandwidth," keep in mind that when you switch between read and write you incur some serious penalties. dedicated in and out removes this problem, something that "doubling the bandwidth" will never solve. considering that the framebuffer is always switching between read (screen refresh) and write (draw), this switch penalty is not trivial. anyway, think of it as "pipelined memory."
bull. you don't double the pin count.
many other of the pins are:
power pins
addres pins
control pins
i/o timing sync pins
ground pins
no-connect pins (for improving signal quality)
so adding a few dozen (yes a few dozen - because the 256-bit data bandwidth is achieved with multiple chips) pins on a 460 pin BGA is hardly difficult.
Have you not walked down the RPG isle?
How about the "Action/Adventure" isle (the likes of GTA3 / batman forever / MDK) - granted, GTA3 should probably be in the "criminal training" isle
And then we have the hillbillies isle (sorry but it's true. Go look at Walmart sometimes - a walmart in the middle of nowhere, especially)
Last but not least, we got the always-popular-but-nobody-admits-it adult isle. They are big in japan anyway; the states have their share too.
New and good games comes out all the time. Might want to broaden your horizen a little - and they don't always fall into the three categories you describe...
Example: Max Payne might seem like Quake - but is fundamentally differet
Homeworld / Catalysm might seem like Warcraft - but again very different (much better IMHO)
DoA beach volley ball might seem like a sports game - but really borderlines on "kinky foreplay." Badly executed one, but an attempt nontheless.
the special requirement of graphics specific RAM is the simultaneous in/out access. (At least that's my understanding of VRAM (video RAM))
For that point, why arn't they doing a QDR architecture? QDR is basically DDR but with dedicated in / out pins (separate) that allows this kind of simultaneous read/write.
Granted, pin count is higher but I think it would be better suited to the graphics people.
That or I am not quite clear on the GDDR-n specs. heh. Or I am thinking about frame-buffer memory instead of texture memory (AFAIK the latter only need to be continuously read, really fast) hmm...
light-gun games are dying? over all the dead bodies I collected from Time Crisis, Time Crisis II, Vampire Night, plus whatever else that I havn't quite bought due to money issues.
On the other hand, the "beat-em-up" - isn't an older version of mortal kombat (which, admittedly, died) had a "keep going" mode that was pretty much like that?
And frogger (3D) is not a fine replacement for pacman/woman/child/mutant-uncle?
Space-shooters have their own incarnations too. in arcades especially. It is amazing how many 194_ variations there are in Japanese arcades. metal slug is available if you want a side-ways-scroll one
I do agree with the graphic adventure, though. Space quest was the bomb. Leisure Suit larry was some crazy stuff too...
However, I would like to remind everyone that in fact I am quite sure that particular genre lives on as adult games. (same thing for full-motion video ones) - so, don't fear - the games are just growing up along with the rest of us. heh.
and no, nobody misses the ghetto edutainment crap.
the incremental update of X would be, intuitively, X-2.
The next version is, of course, X-3.
(btw, since FFX-2 sold 1.2 million copies (out of 1.8 million made) the first day, apparently the naming scheme works quite well)
Having a UXGA screen and loving it.
In fact, Dell used to put out 14.1 inch screens with UXGA resoltion but seem to have stopped that practice (gf got one, loving it too)...
seriously thinking about plucking down the bux for a d800 (WUXGA at 1920x1200 and centrino-battery-life).
sigh... why can't apple make screens like that on their powerbooks? Am I the only person out there who would pay for a powerbook with that kind of screen, even if it was twice the price of the said dell?
so now we will see accounting practices where the companies trys to HIDE the profits! haha
no no no, we didn't make money at all guys! really!
(okay, so people already do this for tax purposes, but anyhow)
Russia has their own version of the GPS.
no WAAS AFAIK, but functionality is the same... I guess u can consiredr russia "europe," right?
Yeah but that doesn't change the fact that they already have the core OS. Moving that to OSS, fine; but what does linux has to do with it? I am not arguing against the need for an OS for the progressively complex embedded systems, but the relationship (advantages, no less) thereof (especially in this case) with linux?
not trolling, but a genuine question: advantage of open source I can understand - what benefit does linux bring to the embedded world, if they already have the core OS?
slashdot, news for criminals, techniques that work.
Heck; with all of us adamently defending these kids, when will the feds get the bright idea that slashdot is in fact "news for terroists, stuff that'll get you shot"?
focus:click and focus:follow is okay. I don't know what's "sloppy" - But I don't think it's possible
I don't personally like raise:border (especially paird with GNOME's 1-px border), and windows don't implement it, so I don't really care; raise when click is default (in fact, you can't have the window NOT raise when clicked).
autoraise on focus gain is okay, there is a "autoraise delay" you can set; I didn't think it was all that, though.
but I cannot agree with you.
That's like saying "We don't need object orientation because assembly is perfectly good for whacking out efficient and fast code."
There is a place for everything - I think OS is here to stay because it is an important layer between hardware and software (applications).
The reason you can get away with tiny OS's on PDAs is because you hardly need the expandability (pci slots?), compatibility (across multiple platforms), and features (multi-tasking, particularly) of desktop systems that has become very diverse in its functions (from email to games to servers to video-edit).
So, while I don't think Linux is "cutting edge" in many areas, I still hold the ground that there isn't any reasonable way to go around without it.
Apparently you've never been to japan ;^)
Many girl here are VERY meticulous about skin-care.
I *think* there was some precedent on this;
something about a guy who stole money / robbed a store JUST so that he would go to jail to be away from his wife. The judge decided that since he was not stealing with the intention of theft, he was not guilty and don't get to goto jail. (in the other words, be still under the whips and chains of his wife - which might be a fitting punishment?)
Could have just been a joke that I took for real, though...
buy the 2GHz chip.
off the same lines the processors are the same (same number of gates, same manufacturing process, etc), so the speed is affected by the frequency. a 2.5G system running at 2GHz will not get you any less heat than a 2GHz chip running at full speed.
use better fans on the money you save from the 500MHz you give up, though.
or buy a laptop. they are plenty fast.
u guys ever actually know anything before sprouting off? or what?
a CPU is not a resistor, so don't expect the power-drain to be similar to be a linear thing like a resistor.
CMOS process (read about how they work) forms a channel for one of the two transistors, and to form the channel the power needed is in the nA (nano-amp) range. to maintain the channel, similar.
but when CMOS drains power is when the pair switches - i.e. both transistors are partially ON. current flows from power to ground through a relatively low resistance channel, wasted as heat.
so, for a modern processor, (or SRAM, or whatever based on CMOS), the steady-state power is negledgable, but scales pretty much linearly to frequency - you can count the number of transistors transisting to be another factor (so 100% usage of FPU at 3GHz is different power consumption than the same of the integer unit), but it's not worth the trouble.
Conclusion? yes reducing speed reduces power MOST EFFECTIVELY, besides process (manufacture) changes.