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TRON + Linux = "T-Linux"
An anonymous reader writes "The T-Engine Forum and MontaVista Software announced today that they are collaborating to combine the long-dominant Japanese embedded operating system, TRON ("The Real-time Operating system Nucleus"), with embedded Linux, in the hopes of creating a standardized software architecture for embedded devices that takes advantage of open source software and the benefits of Linux."
But can it do everything the QNX demo disk can do?
Aslong as we can use those light cycles I will be glad to use it.
the MCP jokes coming already.
not trolling, but a genuine question: advantage of open source I can understand - what benefit does linux bring to the embedded world, if they already have the core OS?
My life in the land of the rising sun.
So, removable optical media containing this operating system would be called...?
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I was really hoping this had something to do with lightcycles and recognizers.
Life moves pretty fast; if you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. -FB
Personally, I think that if we have a 'tron' linux that somewhere they better make something named 'MCP'. Maybe root should be replaced with the loggin MCP.... heheheh...
[Something witty and intelligent should have appeared here.]
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I'm pretty sure Tron + Linux = "Li'l nuts"
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Seriously, what is it with people completely bending the rules of acronyms just to make something sound cute/cool. "The Real-time Operating system Nucleus" should be called "TROSN"
I.O.U One Sig.
The worst terrorist attack in recorded history occurred in September 2001, followed by a WAR against Islam in Afghanistan and now we're about to be involved in ANOTHER war against Islam in Iraq, and you people have the gall to be discussing TRON's role in embedded Linux???? My *god*, people, GET SOME PRIORITIES!
The bodies of the thousands of innocent civilians who died (and will die) in these unprecedented events could give a good god damn about obscure science fiction, your childish Lego models, your nerf toy guns and whining about the lack of a "fun" workplace, your Everquest/Diablo/D&D fixation, the latest Cowboy Bebop rerun, or any of the other ways you are "getting on with your life" (here's a hint: watching Cowboy Bebop in your jammies and eating a bowl of Shreddies is *not* "getting on with your life"). The souls of the victims are watching in horror as you people squander your finite, precious time on this earth playing video games!
You people disgust me!
Isn't open-source software one of the benefits of linux?
Japan - TRON Linux was announced and promptly sued into a smoking crater in the ground by Disney today. Disney representatives stated they were merely protecting their valuable intellectual property and that Linux is only used by thieves, anyways. MSFT rose 4 points.
Linux kernel renamed "Master Control Program".
In Soviet Rush, today's Tom Sawyer gets high on you.
is a picture of a twat. Good job picking up the obligatory predictable anti-MS joke, shithead.
They just HAD to rip off the name from the movie. A testament to geek creativity.
This is soooooo yesterday. Why are they trying to Duplicate effort?
Everybody Wang-Chung tonight!
Damnit, when I saw the headline I was thinking I'd finally get some cool 3D interface with zippy blue lights and neat sound FX!
I'm soooo disappointed. Now I don't even get a angry-spooky-face-in-a-spinning-thing when the kernel panics.
Blockwars: a realtime, multiplayer game similar to Tetris.
"They do not preach that their god will rouse them, a little before the Nuts work loose." Kipling, 'The Sons of Martha'
Linux + TRON = L-TRON !!!
Do you realize how many outside systems I've gone into? How many programs I've appropriated?
Just thought that was appropriate =)
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We are blowing up their children and we're butchering their moms,
We're shooting up their daddies as we sing out victory song,
Our bombs drop on your Mom!
Gory Bloody Bombs Away, Roll! (Boom!)
Gory Bloody Bombs Away, Roll! (Bang!)
Gory Bloody Bombs Away, Roll! (Crash!)
Our bombs drop on your Mom!
Look up in the sky here comes a bomber over head
We are dropping our explosives on your houses till you're dead
Watch as all your pregnant women get abortion bombs instead!
Our bombs drop on your Mom!
Gory Bloody Bombs Away, Roll! (Bang!)
Gory Bloody Bombs Away, Roll! (Boom!)
Gory Bloody Bombs Away, Roll! (Ker-Pow!)
Our bombs drop on your Mom!
No more school for Junior now he's working in our shops
Making Nikes for our children every day until he drops
Your daughter entertains our tourists damn that girl is hot!
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Gory Bloody Bombs Away, Roll!
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Our bombs drop on your Mom!
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I don't see that as necessary. The validity of the patent seems very much in question to many people. I can't think of anybody better to test the validity of the patent than a large association of Japanese real-time companies.
very fucked up when I saw Tron. Loved it.
Checked it out sober. Hated it.
> TRON + Linux = "T-Linux"
Surely it should be T-GNU/Linux.
> creating a standardized software architecture
> for embedded devices that takes (sic) advantage
> of open source software and the benefits of
> Linux (sic)
Imagine a baerwolf cluster of those!
Believe with me, my saplings.
"in the hopes of creating a standardized software architecture for embedded devices that takes advantage of open source software and the benefits of Linux."
Um...I'm failing to see something here. What could possibly come out of this that's more standard than *nix? It seems that they are just trying to piggyback their core in on top of a current "standard..."
And, just to beat the horse even further to death, !
-Amalcon
Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Colombia, Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Netherlands, Nicaragua, Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom, Uzbekistan.
There are exactly three nations sending troops; US (250,000), Britain (40,000), and Australia (2,000). Blowing kisses from across the world doesn't make you part of a coalition; It makes you a cheerleader. I believe that was how our unelected president spent a good part of his time while at Yale; we know he wasn't hitting the books.
These kisses are in return for cash - lots of our tax money will go to these kissing countries. Coalition of the Billing would be more appropriate.
Mentor, the makers of the real time operating system "Nucleus" (tm), would appear to have reasonable grounds for confusion with a product in the same market place "The Real Time Operating system Nucleus Linux" aka TRON-Linux.
http://www.mentor.com/nucleus/
Sure you can argue Nucleus is a general term, but I doubt that argument holds much weight when both names are used in the same market. Heck, these two are even in the same tiny corner of the computer word (realtime operating systems).
Of course, IANAL, much less a trademark specialist. Anyone more educated on the topic care to comment?
-Matt
In related news a flurry of lawsuits were recently filed:
The first was filed by Disney, because they OWN TRON.
The second was filed by SCO, because they OWN Unix, and this whole TRON thing might somehow cut into their profits.
The third was also filed by SCO. It was a billion dollar lawsuit against Disney. SCO also threatened to pull Disney's TRON license, which could prevent Disney from using bits, light cycles, or recognizers, or strange old men rotating in I/O towers at any future time.
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...Disney sues them for violating their "Tron" trademark. Come to think of it, one of these days I should get around to trademarking every possible 3- letter acronym that isn't already taken. I could extort gazillions of $$$ out of honest companies with that kind of IP-squatting.
Repeal the DMCA!
Silly question, perhaps...the news last month from Japan explained that the manufs. there are simply looking to be MS free. And since they've recognized that their own efforts have failed, while Linux is growing, they've bitten the bullet and moved on.
Of course there are other reasons, but how much more of a reason should they need.
Besides, it's just a start. Once you have such a moidel in place, other open source OSs would be just as welcome. You just have to start as simply as possible. Right?
I was reading about TRON in Byte Magazine in the mid-1980's. This almost certainly pre-dates anything Mentor has done, much less registered.
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TRON's been around since the '80s
Don't you mean GNU/T-Linux... and on RMS's birthday, for shame!
What's cool about TRON is the TRON code character encoding format, which supports all Unicode characters and more. By switching between different character set planes (like ISO 2022 does), they do away with pesky Unicode surrogate pairs, which not even Windows 2000 supports.
Mentor, the makers of the real time operating system "Nucleus" (tm), would appear to have reasonable grounds for confusion with a product in the same market place "The Real Time Operating system Nucleus Linux" aka TRON-Linux.
TRON is a system that dates back at least to the early 80s. Nucleus - their website is obviously targeted for marketing droids - probably postdates it, making a trademark infringement suit pointless and possibly dangerous.
Also, Nucleus has little grounds for a trademark infringement suit with TRON - the N could be changed, as the system is always called TRON.
The TRON project was started in 1984*, meaning they've been using the name for 15 years. If Nucleus wanted to press a claim, they would lose and possibly be countersued for trademark infringement, or just have the trademark lost as a generic term.
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http://tronweb.super-nova.co.jp/projecthistory.
Heh. I have T-Mobile Wireless Internet access, and I get "T-Boned" in my car while I drive by my plen-T-girlfriend. I don't need T-Linux.
--T-PhrescheThis reminds me of the time I won $5 from a guy because he didn't believe me that "TRON" was short for "TRace ON"- (and the TROFF , well duh)~
Was the same guy who didn't understand why I kept calling ! "bang" >:)
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All that I see RTLinux doing is acting as a microkernel that can switch between OS personalities. It just so happens that they lost their way and created a whole real-time OS instead of setting it up as a personality over the microkernel.
The other way of looking at the RTLinux patent is that they've patented the idea of running a VM hosted OS under a real-time system. Again, that just doesn't make sense as an enforceable patent or you could start patenting any specific combination of host and guest systems.
Maybe there is something buried in the patent that I didn't understand, but to me it just seems like patenting a specific case of the obvious. Then again, I thought (and still think) that patents like Amazon's one-click were asinine and unenforceable, yet no one's managed to knock the stupid thing down yet.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
Fair enough, I obviously didn't do my homework on the TRON half of TRON-Linux, and assumed it was a newer project.
Thanks to all who provided answers and insight.
-Matt
"Nucleus" has been around for a rather long time, usually used to indicate the center or core of something (analagous to the nucleus of a cell.)
Even more damning for any attempt by Mentor to enforce any copyright claims is the fact that terms like "nucleus" and "core" have been used in operating systems textbooks and papers since the seventies.
TRON also only uses the word as part of an acronym, not as part of a trademark.
The biggest issue would be (as others have pointed out) that TRON existed long before Mentor's Nucleus RTOS.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
Looking over the article is says that TRON supports SH, MR, ARM, and MIPS. These I can understand and am happy with the idea. Now I'm not trolling but would there be any benefit or using linux's x86 code and running embedded systems on Intel/AMD or are they to big/hot/complicated/etc to be of any use in embedded systems?
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Blasphemy! How dare you take the good TRON's name in vain!
- IP
Maybe we can all wear neon clothes and roll around on geometric objects while we kernel tune.
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Noooo! Deutsche Telekom, take your hands off Linux!
For those who don't know them, about every product as a T prefixed: T-Mobile, T-Net, T-Systems, T-Online... and now T-LInux)
TRONIX TRONIX TRONIX
MAYBE!! trunix or trinix....
but c'mon get creative!
"worse" than the September 2001 terrorist attack
not "worst" than.
Not even close in that respect either.
..If you read and believe in the Bible, that's quite wrong.
Cain was not a terrorist. His goal was not terror, nor was it to overthrow a government, or liberate any supposedly oppressed people, yadda yadda. (Note: AFAICT, there was no government at that time.)
Cain was a murderer, plain and simple. His goal was to off Abel. Which he did with great gusto.
If you want a real Biblical terrorist, look at the rest of the Old Testament. God's probably the top-rated terrorist - the Great Flood and the Angel of Death and plagues in Egypt spring immediately to mind.
I'm unsure as to whether the Israelites can be considered terrorists. Sure, they slaughtered men and took the heathen women that were foolishly living in 'their' 'holy land', but then, their actions are more reminiscent of military conquest.
A brutal, bloody conquest, but a conquest none-the-less.
And now for something completely different: If you pray to God, you're supporting terrorism!
...seeing as it's already the standard TRON for the desktop and actually has unique TRON-style features (i.e. the universal character set).
Bolting TRON and Linux together does not seem to offer any particular advantages to the world as a whole, although it might be an advantage to TRON.
Use BTRON today! Documentation probably Japanese only but still in many ways easier to read than GNU Info.
Whence? Hence. Whither? Thither.
Sounds like they were really scraping for a cool sounding acronym and threw out two non-article words and included an article word just to get an already established "techie" sounding name. I guess if they can't make it on their own, grab onto the tail of something that has and hold on tight. The words they put in there are stupid sounding anyway.
I bet some of the guys were in the Navy and only speak in military acronyms.
That is "belonged" to the Iraqi people.
"TRON - fighting for the users."
I always wanted Bruce Boxleitner inside my machine ... but then with a certain Bruce Boxleitner character's penchant for nuclear weapons, does my machine become a weapon of mass destruction?
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Mentor Graphics knows that TRON exists, since it states in one of their pdf brochures that there is a product called "Nucleus IPLUS", which implements ITRON 4.0 Standard profile.
Therefore, no need to expect any kind of lawsuit against TRON from Mentor Graphics.
Unisys mainframes ... have an MCP component of the basic OS
Yeah, but do they have GIF support in the kernel?