I believe your comment is redundant as well.
Beside's everyone knows FFVII was THE final fantasy to end all final fantasy....yet they keep making them.
One of the things totally amazes me still to this day, is that big businesses think that if something doesn't cost anything then it isn't worth anything. I may be totally wrong but what about an apache reinstall requires a reboot? Is it really that hard to update/upgrade/patch Apache in RHEL or RPM distros in general? Do admins using Debian or any other distro have this problem? What am I missing here?
In fact here is my running process of firefox and when it was started
five 4189 0.0 2.0 104024 32504 ? S Jun03 0:05/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin -a firefox
This is straight from "ps aux".....and this is a "top" display showing memory usage.
4189 five 16 0 101m 31m 31m S 0.0 2.1 0:05.40 firefox-bin
It was initially 2.2%...now it's 2.1%.....3 days later....with the same webpages pulled up. WHERE IS THE LEAK?
If you guys are just going to BS about non-existent memory leaks don't even comment. It's like people just pull stuff straight out of their ass. Its great that you like IE for some reason. That's fine. Making comments about ficticious leaks in firefox that people won't even research and just assume you know what you are talking about is different. There are a lot of smart people on Slashdot. I'm not in the top 50%. I do however know BS when I see it. I just wish people who have no clue what they are talking about would just stay out of conversations here. I like to read. I don't really like to comment, but lately there have been so many dumbass comments floating around I could write a book from just the past week. The sad part is too many people just assume someone who sounds smart really is. They will believe whatever they read on here because they think everyone is smart. They read about a memory leak in firefox and they won't even try it or they'll post stupid comments like that elsewhere.
You are the third person on this thread to tell me how to do this. First, I tried it with seperate processes. Second, I used file...new window to start up the other websites...Lastly I used Ctrl+N to create the new windows because someone must have thought this was different than clicking File..New Window. Either way, IE6 used twice the amount of RAM initially and I have yet to see a "leak" after quite a few days.
I have a mathematical theory to put to this. If intelligence is rated on a scale of -10 to 10. -10 being the most extremely stupid person and 10 being the greatest mind conceivable. For any intelligent person(x) there's a more extremely stupid person(y). As demonstrated with
|x| is less than |y|.
Einstein and the like being a 9 on this scale, with no one ever being a 10. If someone ever is a 10, then the scale changes to -20 to 10.
No matter how good you think you are at fixing a computer, there's always someone out there who can mess one up beyond repair. A good example of this would be the guy that tried out water cooling by literally sealing his computer up and pouring water into it. Whether that was a hoax or not, I believe there are plenty of people out there who would try it.
In this case however, a livecd would have probably helped the engineers.
I opened up firefox on my home linux server box as well just to see if it leaked. It has been open for a couple of hours and it is still at the original 2.2% memory usage. I'll wait till midnight on sunday just to make sure it's not some crazy leak that only happens when the sun goes down or something.
Maybe it'll leak...maybe it won't....I'll find out.....My question to you is this: If I'm going to use a browser, I'll open one up, use it and close it out usually. Why should I open one up that uses twice as much memory as Firefox from the get-go?
I'm not using a plain stock version of firefox either. I have six additional extensions installed on it. Firefox isn't just a trend or fad. It's a better browser.
Control-N to start the new windows......60meg.....next
I left firefox from when I did the first "benchmark" no memory leak that I can see. It has actually dropped a couple hundred kilobytes. Does this memory leak happen at a certain hour? Like maybe 6pm every night or something [/sarcasm]
Ok, to be fair I opened IE6....launched two new windows.....opened up my three sites.....now the one iexplore.exe process is 63 meg....Is that fair enough....it's still double the RAM
You know this flamebait made me think, which almost caused me to have a stroke, so try not to let it happen again. I wanted to compare the two browsers to see just how much of a memory leak I get from FF.
I started with FF with my normal three tabs each with a different site open. I pulled up taskmanager and looked at all running processes. There was firefox at 31 meg. So then I open IE6. Since I rarely use it I haven't changed the default home page from MSN. I check taskmanager, again. iexplore starts up using 45 meg. So I think maybe it's because of the website. I point IE6 at google. Sure enough the RAM usage goes down to 42 meg. To be fair however I thought I should open the three sites I have open in my FF tabs in IE.
iexplore.exe ---> 42,976k
iexplore.exe ---> 24,444k
iexplore.exe ---> 38,408k
Total iexplore.exe RAM usage 105,828k
Firefox with the same sites open in three tabs ---> 31,776k
If firefox is leaking on my machine it's into a big bucket called iexplore.exe
I've been waiting on a true PORT of Google Earth for a long time. Just because a program will run using wine does not mean its ported to Linux. Wine still has it's own problems. I will use wine when it's needed, though I'd prefer this is rare. I don't like Google's attitude toward Linux. A Google Earth port was promised to arrive "soon" after the first Windows Release. Time went by, and a Mac version was released. Someone got GE working using wine in Gentoo. Google gave up. I guess they didn't feel the need to write a linux version. "let them wine it" was their belief. I just wish Google would realize, we don't want to have to wine it if someone is willing to actually port it. You see, all you Windows folks, this is why we love free open source software. If this were open source we would have a Linux version. Why isn't it open source???? It free of cost....why not let people use the source?
"Lotus Notes is not a e-mail client, it is groupware application framework. It is just plain stupid to use it only for e-mail.
There is some good reasons to use Notes, but e-mail is not one of them."
Ah, I know this and you know this but my company obviously doesn't. Since my company forces me to use Lotus Notes as my EMAIL CLIENT, I'll refer to it as an EMAIL CLIENT. The fact is a company shouldn't force it's 10,000+ employees to use a groupware app if they only need email.
Maybe you'd like to list all those "good reasons" someone would use Notes. How much better is it that phpgroupware and the like. Of course phpgroupware isn't a bloated app that I have to run on my system either. So please enlighten me since you are so wise.
Don't feel alone haha...I'm in the same boat and I wish it would sink. Lotus Notes is without a doubt the sorriest application I've ever used. I was using my computer at work last Friday and for some reason it was running way better than normal. I even said to myself, "wow this thing is hauling". I didn't have Notes open is why. I hate it with a passion. Now they are going to make it even more bloated. I think when IBM is trying to make Lotus Notes into an operating system. Strip all this crap out of my email client and just give me an email client. Better yet, give me a GOOD email client and server, one that actually delivers my mail when I want instead of two days later. I'm seriously amazed at how much people will spend on shitty software, especially when there are open source alternatives much better.
"Yes, why should Microsoft catter to ordinary users, they should instead please the geeks who will compile their own geeky media player from OSS CVS repositories.
In time it may do a real good for them, and they may reach the staggering numbers of adoption of Linux as an out-of-the-box easy to use Desktop experience your mom and pop could easily work with."
Your way of referring to open source users here isn't saying something nice about MS. You're on Slashdot(you know "news for nerds, stuff that matters"). If you don't like compiling your own media player from CVS then you need to prove your worth as a nerd.
--
I see a hell of a lot more posts from Windows advocates bad-mouthing Mac and Linux users on here rather than the reverse. Maybe it's the market share or something, I don't know but I do know I can criticize a MS product a not feel like a hypocrite. What are you guys gaining by trash talking anyway? Is Bill letting you borrow his wife?
Exactly my first thought when I saw this headline. If the employer would make a better work environment they wouldn't see their employee's resume on a job search site. Cause and effect.
I have to disagree totally. Ubuntu does have newer software for it's main distro. Debian Testing has just as new software cept it works better. For example, Ubuntu is still using firefox 1.0.7. Debian testing is at 1.5. Ubuntu's latest dapper flights are basically Debian Testing with new artwork that says Ubuntu.
I like a ton of distros but I seem to always come back to Debian. For a bunch of guys that can't get their act together, they still make the others looks bad.
When I look at screenshots I like for the user to open every available program they have and try to fit it all on a 800x600 shot. Also, the more icons on the desktop the better. 100+ Please!
No really, since no one has a sense of humor, I'm joking.
Haha thanks....I really don't want them using Linux either. I just wanted them to stop downing Linux on the first post. The article was about Windows and Mac. WTF?? haha
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I believe your comment is redundant as well.
Beside's everyone knows FFVII was THE final fantasy to end all final fantasy....yet they keep making them.
You won't lose your FIREFOXEN! You just can't upgrade to the newest version. hehe
Nevermind I'm not going to post this.....
ah hell why not.....
Hey man,
You read my question wrong. I was asking the grandparent why anyone WOULD have to reboot after an apache install.
One of the things totally amazes me still to this day, is that big businesses think that if something doesn't cost anything then it isn't worth anything. I may be totally wrong but what about an apache reinstall requires a reboot? Is it really that hard to update/upgrade/patch Apache in RHEL or RPM distros in general? Do admins using Debian or any other distro have this problem? What am I missing here?
In fact here is my running process of firefox and when it was started /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin -a firefox
five 4189 0.0 2.0 104024 32504 ? S Jun03 0:05
This is straight from "ps aux".....and this is a "top" display showing memory usage.
4189 five 16 0 101m 31m 31m S 0.0 2.1 0:05.40 firefox-bin
It was initially 2.2%...now it's 2.1%.....3 days later....with the same webpages pulled up. WHERE IS THE LEAK?
If you guys are just going to BS about non-existent memory leaks don't even comment. It's like people just pull stuff straight out of their ass. Its great that you like IE for some reason. That's fine. Making comments about ficticious leaks in firefox that people won't even research and just assume you know what you are talking about is different. There are a lot of smart people on Slashdot. I'm not in the top 50%. I do however know BS when I see it. I just wish people who have no clue what they are talking about would just stay out of conversations here. I like to read. I don't really like to comment, but lately there have been so many dumbass comments floating around I could write a book from just the past week. The sad part is too many people just assume someone who sounds smart really is. They will believe whatever they read on here because they think everyone is smart. They read about a memory leak in firefox and they won't even try it or they'll post stupid comments like that elsewhere.
You are the third person on this thread to tell me how to do this. First, I tried it with seperate processes. Second, I used file...new window to start up the other websites...Lastly I used Ctrl+N to create the new windows because someone must have thought this was different than clicking File..New Window. Either way, IE6 used twice the amount of RAM initially and I have yet to see a "leak" after quite a few days.
I have a mathematical theory to put to this. If intelligence is rated on a scale of -10 to 10. -10 being the most extremely stupid person and 10 being the greatest mind conceivable. For any intelligent person(x) there's a more extremely stupid person(y). As demonstrated with
|x| is less than |y|.
Einstein and the like being a 9 on this scale, with no one ever being a 10. If someone ever is a 10, then the scale changes to -20 to 10.
No matter how good you think you are at fixing a computer, there's always someone out there who can mess one up beyond repair. A good example of this would be the guy that tried out water cooling by literally sealing his computer up and pouring water into it. Whether that was a hoax or not, I believe there are plenty of people out there who would try it.
In this case however, a livecd would have probably helped the engineers.
Actually, I found that IE6 did this after viewing many pages....not firefox....
I opened up firefox on my home linux server box as well just to see if it leaked. It has been open for a couple of hours and it is still at the original 2.2% memory usage. I'll wait till midnight on sunday just to make sure it's not some crazy leak that only happens when the sun goes down or something.
Maybe it'll leak...maybe it won't....I'll find out.....My question to you is this: If I'm going to use a browser, I'll open one up, use it and close it out usually. Why should I open one up that uses twice as much memory as Firefox from the get-go? I'm not using a plain stock version of firefox either. I have six additional extensions installed on it. Firefox isn't just a trend or fad. It's a better browser.
Control-N to start the new windows......60meg .....next
I left firefox from when I did the first "benchmark" no memory leak that I can see. It has actually dropped a couple hundred kilobytes. Does this memory leak happen at a certain hour? Like maybe 6pm every night or something [/sarcasm]
Ok, to be fair I opened IE6....launched two new windows.....opened up my three sites.....now the one iexplore.exe process is 63 meg. ...Is that fair enough....it's still double the RAM
You know this flamebait made me think, which almost caused me to have a stroke, so try not to let it happen again. I wanted to compare the two browsers to see just how much of a memory leak I get from FF.
I started with FF with my normal three tabs each with a different site open. I pulled up taskmanager and looked at all running processes. There was firefox at 31 meg.
So then I open IE6. Since I rarely use it I haven't changed the default home page from MSN. I check taskmanager, again. iexplore starts up using 45 meg. So I think maybe it's because of the website. I point IE6 at google. Sure enough the RAM usage goes down to 42 meg. To be fair however I thought I should open the three sites I have open in my FF tabs in IE.
iexplore.exe ---> 42,976k
iexplore.exe ---> 24,444k
iexplore.exe ---> 38,408k
Total iexplore.exe RAM usage 105,828k
Firefox with the same sites open in three tabs ---> 31,776k
If firefox is leaking on my machine it's into a big bucket called iexplore.exe
How about just give us the ability to change the page style under View...Page Style...????I've seen this done via the slashcode website before.
I've been waiting on a true PORT of Google Earth for a long time. Just because a program will run using wine does not mean its ported to Linux. Wine still has it's own problems. I will use wine when it's needed, though I'd prefer this is rare.
I don't like Google's attitude toward Linux. A Google Earth port was promised to arrive "soon" after the first Windows Release. Time went by, and a Mac version was released. Someone got GE working using wine in Gentoo. Google gave up. I guess they didn't feel the need to write a linux version. "let them wine it" was their belief. I just wish Google would realize, we don't want to have to wine it if someone is willing to actually port it.
You see, all you Windows folks, this is why we love free open source software. If this were open source we would have a Linux version. Why isn't it open source???? It free of cost....why not let people use the source?
"Lotus Notes is not a e-mail client, it is groupware application framework. It is just plain stupid to use it only for e-mail. There is some good reasons to use Notes, but e-mail is not one of them."
Ah, I know this and you know this but my company obviously doesn't. Since my company forces me to use Lotus Notes as my EMAIL CLIENT, I'll refer to it as an EMAIL CLIENT. The fact is a company shouldn't force it's 10,000+ employees to use a groupware app if they only need email. Maybe you'd like to list all those "good reasons" someone would use Notes. How much better is it that phpgroupware and the like. Of course phpgroupware isn't a bloated app that I have to run on my system either. So please enlighten me since you are so wise.
Don't feel alone haha...I'm in the same boat and I wish it would sink. Lotus Notes is without a doubt the sorriest application I've ever used. I was using my computer at work last Friday and for some reason it was running way better than normal. I even said to myself, "wow this thing is hauling". I didn't have Notes open is why. I hate it with a passion. Now they are going to make it even more bloated. I think when IBM is trying to make Lotus Notes into an operating system. Strip all this crap out of my email client and just give me an email client. Better yet, give me a GOOD email client and server, one that actually delivers my mail when I want instead of two days later. I'm seriously amazed at how much people will spend on shitty software, especially when there are open source alternatives much better.
"Yes, why should Microsoft catter to ordinary users, they should instead please the geeks who will compile their own geeky media player from OSS CVS repositories. In time it may do a real good for them, and they may reach the staggering numbers of adoption of Linux as an out-of-the-box easy to use Desktop experience your mom and pop could easily work with." Your way of referring to open source users here isn't saying something nice about MS. You're on Slashdot(you know "news for nerds, stuff that matters"). If you don't like compiling your own media player from CVS then you need to prove your worth as a nerd. --
I see a hell of a lot more posts from Windows advocates bad-mouthing Mac and Linux users on here rather than the reverse. Maybe it's the market share or something, I don't know but I do know I can criticize a MS product a not feel like a hypocrite. What are you guys gaining by trash talking anyway? Is Bill letting you borrow his wife?
Yeah don't mod twitter up. Someone with good taste shouldn't be +5 insightful on slashdot.
When huntin Skeeters use a Skeeter Trap!
Exactly my first thought when I saw this headline. If the employer would make a better work environment they wouldn't see their employee's resume on a job search site. Cause and effect.
I have to disagree totally. Ubuntu does have newer software for it's main distro. Debian Testing has just as new software cept it works better. For example, Ubuntu is still using firefox 1.0.7. Debian testing is at 1.5. Ubuntu's latest dapper flights are basically Debian Testing with new artwork that says Ubuntu.
I like a ton of distros but I seem to always come back to Debian. For a bunch of guys that can't get their act together, they still make the others looks bad.
When I look at screenshots I like for the user to open every available program they have and try to fit it all on a 800x600 shot. Also, the more icons on the desktop the better. 100+ Please!
No really, since no one has a sense of humor, I'm joking.
Haha thanks....I really don't want them using Linux either. I just wanted them to stop downing Linux on the first post. The article was about Windows and Mac. WTF?? haha