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Mozilla Firefox 1.5.0.4 Released
KrayzieKyd writes "God Bless Mozilla. Firefox has just notified me that Firefox version 1.5.0.4 has just been released with release notes and according to Mozilla's website, the same has been released for Thunderbird with its own release notes."
Are we getting slashdot articles for each verion bump of the mozilla products? I tought freshmeat was created for that.
Is there something special about this release? According to the release notes these bugs where removed. Great but not enough for a slashdot article.
MFSA 2006-43 Privilege escalation using addSelectionListener
MFSA 2006-42 Web site XSS using BOM on UTF-8 pages
MFSA 2006-41 File stealing by changing input type (variant)
MFSA 2006-39 "View Image" local resource linking (Windows)
MFSA 2006-38 Buffer overflow in crypto.signText()
MFSA 2006-37 Remote compromise via content-defined setter on object prototypes
MFSA 2006-36 PLUGINSPAGE privileged JavaScript execution 2
MFSA 2006-35 Privilege escalation through XUL persist
MFSA 2006-34 XSS viewing javascript: frames or images from context menu
MFSA 2006-33 HTTP response smuggling
MFSA 2006-32 Fixes for crashes with potential memory corruption
MFSA 2006-31 EvalInSandbox escape (Proxy Autoconfig, Greasemonkey)
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Fixed in Firefox 1.5.0.4
MFSA 2006-43 Privilege escalation using addSelectionListener
MFSA 2006-42 Web site XSS using BOM on UTF-8 pages
MFSA 2006-41 File stealing by changing input type (variant)
MFSA 2006-39 "View Image" local resource linking (Windows)
MFSA 2006-38 Buffer overflow in crypto.signText()
MFSA 2006-37 Remote compromise via content-defined setter on object prototypes
MFSA 2006-36 PLUGINSPAGE privileged JavaScript execution 2
MFSA 2006-35 Privilege escalation through XUL persist
MFSA 2006-34 XSS viewing javascript: frames or images from context menu
MFSA 2006-33 HTTP response smuggling
MFSA 2006-32 Fixes for crashes with potential memory corruption
MFSA 2006-31 EvalInSandbox escape (Proxy Autoconfig, Greasemonkey)
Well, it's good to see security issues fixed instead of having them swept under the carpet. Indeed, both Microsoft and Opera lack the guts to admit they're not perfect.
However, the automated updates (Mozilla devs be praised!) make putting releases like this not worthy of a news article.
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
IE7 and Opera 9 are comming soon too. Personally I prefer Opera over all others as it's both smaller and faster. It also has a ton of features, so that I don't need to spend the next 6 months of tracking extensions and manke configurations as when using Firefox. However, it's nice to see that we're all getting what we want.
A nice year for browsers, indeed, at has taken too long to get here.
Seamonkey, the new version of the old mozilla suite (Netscape-like) has also been updated. The release notes: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/releases /seamonkey1.0.2/.
I thought one of the benefits of Firefox 1.5 was incremental updates i.e. patches that that are in the 100s of KBs range. However, watching the progress meter for this latest update it will have eventually downloaded 6.1MB, which is basically the full version of Firefox.
I've got a fever and the only prescription is more COBOL.
Not so much crashing but 1.5 seems slower. Especially noticeable with several (or many) tabs open. Systems I've noticed this on were not low end either. And OS did not matter, Windows XP, RHEL and Fedora all were sluggish. Seems like 1.0.7 offered a better all around browser experience.
I'd like to hear about memory management issues, frequent crashes and how Opera was there first - in that order. I need a refresher; it must be while since v1.5.0.3.
I think it's excellent with all these updates. Firefox if absolutely worth the attention.
Before Firefox - our local banking etc. where only accepted on Internet Explorer and nothing else, leaving out Mac and Linux users. Today Firefox is so respected that our country's Largest Bank support it!
Way to go FIREFOX!.
What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
Is it just me or are the menus like 4 times faster at least? Or is it this patch changes firefox so that my old registry tweak setting windows menu paint dealy from 400ms to 0ms now being recognized by FF? I'ts not a simple memory leak fix because I have 1.5 gigs and I never noticed FF slowing down after long term use.
Or am I just crazy and nothing changed at all? maybe it was the extention update to cute menus cyrstal SVG
for software update notifications. Really mind boggling technology isn't it?
Oh wait, it's not 1996....
The following statement is true
The preceding statement is false
Damn, bloody fighting
I used Opera 8 for several months and found it to be slower and broken on more sites then Firefox.
Hardly looks like news. And I'm already tired of Mozilla team not addressing the most critical issue - memory hogging. Brushing that aside is not going to help the developers or the users.
I haven't had any crashes in the last couple releases. Dont remember if i was having trouble with the first 1.5 release.
Have you checked to make sure its not the extensions that are causing the crashes? I have about 10 or so, but they are all well known ones (less likely to be badly coded).
When going to the bugzilla database for a bug ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33683 0 ) in the release notes on this build of firefox I get...
Access Denied
You are not authorized to access bug #336830. To see this bug, you must first log in to an account with the appropriate permissions.
Opensource is FUD. Security bug? So what, its FIXED so SHOW ME THE DAMN BUG.
It's OK, but the troll-blocker doesn't seem to be working very well.
"I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
No one ever caught a virus using firefox. Have a nice day.
I find it at bit thought provoking that the phrase "God Bless Mozilla" has not spun of a any comments yet, while any talk about intelligent creation will make /. glow from the furios comments.
./ post. /., but I can't but feel a bit awkward reading the words on /.
And yes you are right that this post is not about anything that has to do with God which of course it the reason for people not commenting this little feature of the
I don't know if KrayzieKyd partipates in the frequent discussion about (bashing of?) Intelligent Creation here on
It's probably just me being touchy, so here goes my good karma (which again is a term I according to my previos (lack of) logic of this comment shuold get annoyed by).
Viewing the bug database has NOTHING to do with open source or not.
You get a bitch-slap you whiney SOB.
You should be happy you don't have to sign away your rights by signing NDAs effectively barring you to work on competing products, or have to pay ANYTHING..
I like Firefox very much. It works much faster and consumes less resorces then IE. But with every release it becomes more and more heavy, and will reach IE soon.
Hide your files and folders from others!
Fast, small footprint, low resource use. More customisable than any other browser I've tried, stable, secure, free. And did I mention it is fast?
Get it here:
http://www.opera.com/download/linux/
This is known and actually a feature, which can be turned off:
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http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/ben/archives/00974
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And I *still* can't find text within a textbox...
Why the hell it takes.... lot of time in startup????
Coming from someone who can't be bothered by registering a free account, and then bitches about it all over /. to show everyone what a lazy SOB he actually is. You didn't even contact Mozilla Foundation about this, did you? What do you think bitching about it on /. will do. Really, what do you expect from others that you can't do yourself? When you eat, who will hold your golden spoon?
Open Source do not need people bitching about missing features, telling other people what to do and putting them down.
That is not support.
Speech is cheap, work is what really matters.
Have a nice day!
Naturally, if you care about security then you too will have javascript disabled.
In addition, the definitions of "open source" and "free software" have nothing to do with anonymous bugzilla access, but rather with the availability of source code and the rights one has with regards to use and modification of said code. If you don't believe me, read the definitions yourself.
Don't forget, you can get a processor optimized verison at http://getswiftfox.com/
At the office we use mostly "low end" machines - 800 to 1300 Mhz Athlon/Via processors. We're running Debian Sarge on most machines. Recently I upgraded from sarges 1.0.7(?) to the binary linux bundle and _everyone_ has told me they've experienced faster rendering and more stability, and we use it a lot - most of our apps are web-based. About the tabs/pre-caching problem/feature, see previous post.
Read this one then ... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33683 0
So complaining about not reading Microsoft's bug database when one cant read opensource's bug database fully is different? I dont think so. Pot meet the kettle.
Hate to break it to you, but he's right and the Grade A moron here is you. Mozilla does lock their security bugs so only the privledged few can see them:
l nerabilities.html#firefox1.5.0.4
Go here and click just try to click through to bugzilla from the issues:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vu
Whenever I hear the word 'Innovation', I reach for my pistol.
So what, theyre FIXED.
and it never ocured to you that they might want to stop bots from farming them and so they just created a simple log in requirement to stop them? or maybee they just need something that they can ban in case you post stupid stuff.... or maybee just freaking maybee they feel like making you waste time, cause we all know how evil mozila corp is.... go home you microsuck fanboy this is the wrong place to yell at about that kind of stuff.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/createaccount.cgi OMG! I have to signup to have access! What to do, what to do...
OMG i have to sign up to NYTimes articles OMG what shall I do! Oh wait...
You sound like you were served bugs for dinner, and not bug-fixes.
Way to bite the hand that feed you..
All software contains bugs. It's just that those security-holes that Microsoft products are so full of, were already known to be problematic. ActiveX, VB for applications: Java/Javascript came long before these, and contained proper sandboxing, something these security-riddled hacks sorely miss. Microsoft were warned many times, and the world is now paying billions of dollars repairing the damage every year.
Gehen Sie weg und nehmen Sie die anderen trollen und den goatse Mann mit Ihnen, kthx.
If only my Spellbound plug-in would work again. Now howe will aye bee able two correct my pore spelling?
Now if only there was a plug-in for the correction of misused homonyms.
I think I'll wait until Mozilla hits 1.5.1 -- and from what I hear, that magic milestone is a long way away.
For NYTimes, you have to give a lot more than an email address and a password. That's all you have to give to sign up for a Bugzilla database.
Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
... -after- the update has installed itself in a friendly way on my machine? I mean, come on: anyone who needs this update already has Firefox installed and will get a notification -or- has turned such notifications off for some very good reason and won't be interested to read about it here.
"Oh, they actually fixed some security issues in Firefox? That must means it's now completely safe, I'm going down there to download straightaway..."
Firefox 1.5 is much, much slower than 1.0. It seems to be related to pages with large tables. It's the most annoying mis-feature of 1.5.
WHY do you HAVE to USE so many CAPITAL LETTERS?
Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
Mozilla and IE are implementing complicated, but eye-candy nontheless, technologies. If sites use these technologies for Web 2.0, they will lock in to Mozila and IE and lockout any new www browsing product. While what really matters is the *information* contained in a webpage, these complicated standards will render it unviewable by other programs.
So while WWW was all about ''information in a simple form where everybody can see it'', now it's turning into ''files that can be viewed by the Gecko runtime system (js, XUL, SVG, etc)''.
The Mozilla-Google syndication is pushing futher this lockin for the Web. Google funds mozilla (5 of mozilla's developers are already "very rich people"). Google got money from MS. MS's public image is destroyed forever, but the stockholders are using "good Google" now. Think about these matters before you go to sleep. It's a good way to fight insomnia...
Just tested with the newest macintel universal binary, and it is significantly faster than 1.5.0.2 (which also claimed universal binary, but they fucked up).
If you let software update happen on a mac intel, it doesn't update to 1.5.0.4 universal, but just updates the PPC image. You need to download the new universal image, and install that over the older version, and then it runs.
They still haven't addressed all the networking problems yet, but I really don't ever expect them to.
the AC
Hemos is like...sci-fi fans;he thinks technology is cool, but he hasn't bothered to understand the science it's based on
Any Ubuntu users here? How should I update my Firefox on Ubuntu Dapper Drake 6.06 LTS?
w00t
...And now they're forcing the "mozilla has been updated" page to load on startup on my other two Firefox profiles EVERY TIME - DESPITE MY ACTUAL HOMEPAGE!! What the hell is going on!?
Maybe you were starting from an out-of-date version?
Patrick Doyle
I mod down every jackass who puts his moderation policy in his sig. Oh, wait a sec....
No, no it's not a feature. The problem is *alot* worse then having cached 8 silly tabs.
Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
I tried that, it did not seem to have much effect. After a day firefox still approaches 300 mb.
That's not true. I caught one using Firefox with an out-of-date Java Plugin. I blame Sun for not being able to write an updater that works properly. AC because of shame.
Heh, you're obviously not hardcore enough, mate. Try running it on Solaris 10 and watch it crash (by which I mean the entire application shuts down without warning) whenever you access any ASP pages.
I have very few crashing issues (the only ones I had were when I removed one of the RAM sticks, nF4 really don't like running on a single RAM stick, and DFI's Lanparty motherboards like it even less, so the whole computer was hellishly unstable anyway), and the JS rendering is much much faster than in Firefox 1.0... A good thing which is balanced by the even higher number of extensions i'm interrested in, which means that i bumped my extensions count from ~20 in the days of Firefox 1.0 to more than 40 now... bah
overall, I like 1.5 much better than 1.0.
"The way we can tell it's C# instead of Haskell is because it's nine lines instead of two." -- wadler
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Anyone wanting to stick with the Mozilla Suite should upgrade to SeaMonkey soon for security updates. SeaMonkey gets all the core security fixes Firefox and Thunderbird do, but the old Suite isn't being developed any more and therefore won't get any security fixes.
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
OMG! I have to signup to have access!
Good job talking out of your ass. The security bugs are still inaccessible wihtout a special account.
Whenever I hear the word 'Innovation', I reach for my pistol.
Just give them about a month or two after they made it into the update.
A bug is marked as "Fixed" as soon as the patch makes it into the trunk. Then it needs to be backported to release branch, added to update and sent out through update mechanisms. And leave people some time to download the update and patch their installs. Otherwise it will be a race between black hats and admins, who gets to exploit/update first, and there -will- be victims.
Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
CNN is for commies! TRUE PATRIOTS watch FoxNews!
Maybe a diff on the source will tell you the coded solution. But it's quite likely that the entry in Bugzilla itself gives you the exploit.
I see no particular reason to publicize exploits.
The security bugs are still inaccessible wihtout a special account.
And the problem with this is what exactly? I want access. I sign up giving away only an email (they urge not to be my main one because spam will probably follow). I have access. What is the problem you guys are having other than firefox bashing or trolling? Idiots...
If you forget to lock your door one day, do you want someone coming by to put a big red sign announcing that fact to the world so anyone can walk into your house and take whatever they want?
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
How do you think they exploit current Microsoft bugs? They run a diff on before and after the hotfix and they dont have source then.
After users get a chance to patch their systems, the bug reports will be opened. Not everyone can upgrade to the latest release within a few hours.
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
This is known and actually a feature, which can be turned off
What kind of a feature is it, if everybody complain about it.
Plus turning caching off doesn't solve Firefox's speed. Part of the problem is bad memory management and coding, part of it is slow rendering engine, and part is the fact all tabs share a single thread, so when one takes more CPU, the whole window freezes.
Those are software design mistakes, and calling them various funny names, like "features" won't solve the fact we've actual problems with it.
What exactly would you gain by knowing the exploit details?
Open Source requires free access to the source code. You are stiff free to diff the tree from before and after the patch and find differences by yourself. They can't forbid doing this.
Open Source does not require granting you access to every single piece of plan, report, draft, helper service or conversation log that was created in the process of making the software. The fact that you can use Bugzilla at all is just a good will of the Mozilla Fundation. The content of the Bugzilla database is neither open source nor free to access and modify to anyone. You can view or edit chosen sections of it through provided mechanisms, but no law forces the Mozilla people to disclose all the reported bugs in the database to you.
Grade A Asshole is you.
Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
Yes, they are fixed already. That means no need to fix them. Go pick one of a million other bugs that need to be fixed and fix it if you want to help so much.
Is there maybe a some specific reason why you want to see them BEFORE most of people have the upgrade installed?
Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
In 1.5.0.3 if you go to http://news.bbc.co.uk/ and scroll to the bottom, the "Contact us" link is all messed up. Much as I like Firefox, I see loads of stuff like this.
It created it's own user profile and is ignoring my old one. Now I have to re-enter all my passwords to sites, import my bookmarks and re-install all my extensions.
Weren't the other two identical posts by this guy clue enough? Or do moderators usually skip to the end of the comment tree and mod up the first thing they see? Hopefully whoever modded this trash up will be killed out of moderation by metamoderation.
Good to see that Firefox is now surpassing IE on all fronts, including the frequency of security flaws being plugged!!
;-)
Actually I'm a big fan of FF, especially now that I've got 2GB memory installed......
> Grade A Asshole is you.
When did I say anything about Open Source? Go reply to flobberchops, fuckwit.
Funny how the people preaching open source in this thread are all insulting jerks who lack basic factual knowledge and intellectual skills. I guess that's what one would expect from a movement started by Bruce Perens
Whenever I hear the word 'Innovation', I reach for my pistol.
If you can access these bugs, you must work for Mozilla or something, because I sure can't.
Whenever I hear the word 'Innovation', I reach for my pistol.
I think I just threw up in my mouth. Opera sucks.
Q: I have Mozilla 1.7.13. What am I supposed to upgrade to!?!?!
A: SeaMonkey!!!!
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
HD Trailers
I love FireFox, but c'mon....
You're trying to tell me that it's normal for FF to have behavior by which it will go up to 150 megs and beyond (more like 200+ most days) of memory usage overnight if I leave it open (with static non auto-refreshing pages)?
Further, according to the article you linked and the nice little chart, my system has 512 MB of memory, so it should cache at most 5 pages back in my browsing history per session, not per tab.
In some rare occasions I could see it using that much memory, if I was browsing pages with gigantic images or Flash files or something....But my usual browsing is almost purely text and fairly small images, nothing in the range of the memory usage I routinely see FF hit. Not to mention that the usage will continue going up even when i'm not actually moving between any pages.
I do agree, but FF has made a lot of websites to take standards into account.
And as Opera users we benefit from standards compliant web pages.
As long as IE has the lions share of the market, I want both browsers to increase their use.
We are Turing O-Machines. The Oracle is out there.
I am currently using Bon Echo Alpha 3 . I tried 1.5.0.4 and it seems much stabler and faster than 1.5.0.3 but it seems to me that Bon echo is still the best firefox version, It seriously is awesome.
Copyright infringement is "piracy" in the same way DRM is "consumer rape"
Considering that privacy and security are big concerns for every large software project these days, I believe that Firefox's default update setting should be changed. If you go to Tools --> Options --> Advanced --> Update, and you haven't changed your default settings, you will find that it is set to "Automatically download and install the update". Even Microsoft wouldn't do this, so why is it acceptable in Firefox? It should default to "Ask me what I want to do.", and during the first update, a checkbox should be provided asking the user if he wants automatic updates from then on.
My 2 cents.
LS
There is a fine line between being a cultivated citizen and being someone else's crop. - A. J. Patrick Liszkie
Well, I do all my banking online. All of it, from transferring money to paying bills. You don't think browser support would be a big issue for me?
And truthfully, I live in a large enough city in the US (Chicago) that it would be unlikely that I couldn't find a bank that offers all the services I want/need without having to stipulate which browser I used.
I don't understand this attitude of just blindly accepting what's handed to you. YOU define what you need, not the other way around. And if a business can't provide what you need, you go elsewhwere.
OP: "Open source? SO why do I have to SIGN UP to VIEW the bug database?"
Follow-up: You Troll||Moron, "I'm looking through dozens of bugs right now. No reg required."
You: You moron, Mozilla restricts...
I: You asshole, Restricts, not conflicting with OSS.
The follow-up took the wrong point in disproving the OP stupidity. You just attacked the follow-up without ever taking into account that OP was completely wrong. That's being an asshole, attacking just one side when both are wrong. Now when I pointed out what you either purposedly (asshole) or in ignorance (moron) omitted, you attack me.
Asshole or moron. I don't know which.
Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
But, as I've brought up with them before, the site is full of wasted space. I even wrote them a tool to remove all that guff but was told (about 6 months ago) that they were working on the problem.
w s.bbc.co.uk%2F
I only noticed it when I was parsing the thing for an new aggregator and found a big input file to output file sise diff. The XML parser was set to discard pointless whitespace.
Validator... http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fne
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Sometimes I feel like I'm repeating myself. Sometimes I feel like I'm repeating myself.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
When they fix the Windows Media Player plugin for the MacBook (Intel) then I'll be impressed.
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If you have a problem with the OP, take it up with him, you slobbering opensores tard. Don't insult me because I clarified the facts of the matter.
> Asshole or moron. I don't know which
In your case, both, voOk. Stay off the Internet until you figure out how it works.
Whenever I hear the word 'Innovation', I reach for my pistol.
Is there now way to for an update from Firefox anymore? I haven't had a notification yet.
So you think you clarified... That confirms it.
Moron. Grade A.
Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
That's funny, because I never notice any memory issues. Maybe it's because I don't constantly peek at the task manager? If I have RAM, why should I care if my programs use it? That's what they do.
How do you TRIGGER the incremental update without waiting for Firefox to figure out there is one? I find it's quicker to download the full 4mb installer than it is to wait for the 500kb patch to be detected.
Isn't this what the ondisk cache is supposed to do? I don't see the reason to store so much history in memory when it could be done nearly as fast on disk (as has traditionall been done).
I know that evil people do it that way and that they'll always find a way. But that still doesn't mean that fully functional exploits should be made public.
Note that Microsofts security bulletins say "a maliciously crafted web page". They do not lower the threshold (and SHOULD not!) to help script-kiddies and anyone else how to write that "maliciously crafted web page"
There's a difference between "hackers/crackers FINDING an exploit" and "HANDING out exploits"
I use Firefox as my primary browser except when test for compatibility web app (I am a developer). Recently, I tried mozilla 1.4 and netscape 7.2 on our app because some @#$%@ still run them and have problem. I was very surpised to find out that these browser is several times faster showing up same webpages than Firefox. It's not only noticable, but it could be said that it's many times faster, not just faster. I know that Firefox support alot more. However, with this speed, I think it's definitely possible to be way faster, and support more. If to support more and it's slower, something wrong with the design that does not scale well. This is almost a shock to me. I have been using Firefox for so long that I couldn't think it would be slower than it's predessor. I always think it's problem the same or faster.
I have been using browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers = 0 for ages and it still leaks on my machine =/
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Firefox 1.5.0.3 Loop DoS Exploit
yet?
The reason Opera is freeware on the desktop is the same reason Netscape was also forced to become freeware. Someone came along with a superior product and made it free first.
"effect" is more commonly used as a noun than a verb. and i have yet to see a use for "affect" as a noun.
Usage Note:
Sorry, looks like the joke's on you. He was (originally) referring to the "bug database". I had no info to know that he was referring to a locked bug.
So that's all right then.
As always, all IMO. Insert "I think" everywhere grammatically possible.
Would you perfer that they fix the bugs, like Mozilla does, or that they simply ignore them, like m$ does? Be careful what you wish for.
Too minor a change to be posted here. Just a month minus one day ago, we received news of 1.5.0.3 http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/03/121720 0. Nevertheless, it's nice to see firefox patches released on a regular basis.
No thanks, I use Moz suite, and tried out seamonkey when 1.0 came out, since after all it IS supposed to be the upgrade, right? Corrupted mail, crashing web browser. How can Mozilla take something that worked and fuck it up so badly?
Whatever happened to the firefox mission of FIXING BUGS rather than adding features??
Sure would be nice if they would fix the focus bugs under Linux. They were reported many years ago and they remain pervasive.
Sure would be nice if they would fix the keyboard binding problems. Getting emacs style bindings is a major pain and doesn't even work in some environments. The current approach is a joke and has been for years. Bugs were filed years ago..
Yeah, I'm bitching. But these are serious problems that keep me at version 0.8 with potentially dire security consequences.
I heard often about how it's various plugins and extensions that cause Firefox to leak memory. But I have come to doubt that theory.
I recently started using Firefox 1.5.0.3 on Linux. I didn't bother to install Flash, Sun's Java plugin, or anything else like that. I didn't bother finding any extensions beyond what might come with the default Firefox installation.
Nevertheless, I did notice the memory leaks that others were talking about. After about a week of fairly heavy use, the browser would be consuming 600+ MB of RAM. Konqueror doesn't do that, and Opera doesn't do that. Any piece of software that consumes 60% of my system's memory, while its competitors do not, is flawed in my book.
As I said earlier, this was with a default installation from mozilla.org. If it is the fault of any extension, it's due to extensions they themselves included in the official binary distribution for Linux.
That alone makes me not want to use Firefox in the future, regardless of what version it is or how much work they put into it. It's sort of the same feelings towards Microsoft products. There are only so many times that one wants to deal with low-quality software before saying to hell with it, especially when promises of "it'll improve in the next release!" never materialize.
What exactly doesn't firefox do that it has a long way to go?
Hopefully this update will fix some of the stability issues the software has as of late...
"Instant gratification takes too long." - Carrie Fisher
Can you provide some examples of sites that didn't work? If it truly was as much of a problem as you make it out to be, I'm sure that you'd remember those sites. I find your claims doubtful, because having been an Opera users for years, I cannot say I've run into the same problems ever.
And give the Opera 9 prereleases a try sometime. They're quite fantastic. I just tried Firefox 1.5.0.4, and it does feel slower in comparison to Opera 9. But then again, Opera has put a lot of work into making their browser speedy and efficient.
I like Opera alot, but to imply that its rendering engine is less picky than firefox's is irrational.
I'm not not licking toads.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=335249
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283580
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
Really? They're fixed? How do I verify this? How do I know that the bugs are actually fixed? I have access to the source code, of course, so I can look through it.
But - whoops. I have NO IDEA what the bug is! I have no idea what the test cases are. I have no idea what needed to be done to fix it. I have no way to verify that the bug has ACTUALLY been fixed.
The whole concept behind open source is transparency, something that the Mozilla project completely lacks.
No, I tried it, and Minefield is MUCH better. Try it.
13. Any legal action is absolutly excluded. (Pi World Ranking List rules)
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
Why is this news?!?!?!?!?!?!
/. feel the need to put it on the front friggin page?!?!?!
STOP TELLING US WHAT MINOR VERSION FIREFOX IS ON! Anyone that cares (I assume those people are the ones using it) learn rather quickly when they get the "new version, update?" dialogue. So why does
We call that "Web 1.0".
There is a spark in every single flame bait point.
from Thunderbird. I have been sending bug reports for years without a fix. http://home.infionline.net/~arm3/images/cursorlagg ing.png
Until that is fixed, I can't use it. Other than that, it works well. As long as I don't have to edit my e-mail it is not a problem, but trying to change anything in the body of the text is impossible.
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Unable to resist...
In the '70's, MicroData built a (get this) User Microprogrammable machine. Naturally, not too many people other than E.E. and C.S. researchers wanted to write their own microcode, so MicroData needed to find another line of business. So, they developed the Reality system.
I worked on a MicroData Reality system in during a summer job in 1977. I know that Pick and Reality use the same underlying database approach, but I don't know who derived from whom.
Where did UniData fit in?
I like the security fixes, but now FF takes about 3 times longer to load :(
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You're stupid. Firefox got that caching feature in version 1.5. It has been leaking memory long before then. This has been explained in every Firefox thread since that erroneous solution was first proposed.
FireFox has had memory management issues from version .8. For many people, those problems haven't gone away. Mozilla is trying to fix this, but that doesn't stop fanboys from going around claiming the problem has already been fixed when it hasn't.
Pheonix, I believe you still have memory problems, because I do too. Never can I go more than about 3-4 hours without restarting FF. The new version still has the problems, and now it takes about 3 times longer to load up :(
Still my favorite browser, though.
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For those of us with less than 4GB of physical memory, leaving Firefox open leads to massive swapping by the end of the day.
Brilliant.
max suckiness.
Links 2.1pre22. does braille, text and graphics modes, alots of configuration, much better downloadmanager, can do graphics in framebuffer or svgalib as well. Much smaller, much faster, alot of languages, auto size single pictures *hint, hint*...
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Or did your large bank just decide to make a standards based web site?
It's not a big deal. Whenever Firefox grows that big, or I open too many tabs, it tends to crash, thus bringing memory usage back down.
Gosh, shouldn't the comment have been something like:
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1. Strip stupid moderator
2. Copulate/Sodomize (gender dependent)
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4. Profit!
Or maybe "On American
There is no right to feel safe thru security vaudeville at the expense of everyone's freedom, privacy and tax money.
What exactly would you gain by knowing the exploit details?
Well for one thing I'd be able to verify for myself that the exploit was real and not imagined, which would help me decide if deploying the upgrade is worth the risk (there are always new bugs in any non-trivial upgrade...) Besides that it's the principle of the thing. It's not full-disclosure until all the known data is made public.
And SSL with my online banking croaked. I've now disabled automatic updates, but the horse hath bolten. Anybody know how to REVERSE one of these %$#@ patches, say to v1.5.0.3?
It's funny..
if this were about Microsoft (replace Mozilla with MS, open source, with proprietary..), this would be modded +5 insightful.
I am the maverick of Slashdot
...it pops up a stonking big window telling you as such, then asking your permission (and telling you it will restart the browser). It then brings up another nice window that tells you it's downloading an update.
Then, when the browser restarts it opens up a page telling you your browser has been upgraded to the latest version.
Anyone with an IQ over 50 should get the gist.
I am NaN
If you bother to limit the maximum amount of memory under Linux (anywhere in the range of "ulimit -Sv 41000" to "ulimit -Sv 350000" (41-350MB) [4]) and try visiting enough web sites you will crash Firefox [1]. I've filed a number of bug reports on this (search the talkback database for "ulimit") or try Mozilla Bug 336807. (If you have Bugzilla votes you might want to vote for it...).
The stack traces suggest that there are multiple problems involved with many different types of memory allocation failures. IMO, Firefox should never made it out of alpha testing with these kinds of bugs [2].
There is a separate problem in Firefox which in some cases shows up as the so-called "memory leak" but which I believe is in fact a "heap fragmentation" problem. This is due to poor use of malloc() & free() and non-explicitly freed memory which is subject to poorly managed garbage collection processes. This is aggravated under Linux because the swapping algorithms do *not* manage programs which continually scan fragmented memory exceeding the available memory (Firefox resident set (RSS) > ~350MB on a 512MB machine). Any minor leaks can aggravate the heap fragmentation problem but solving all of the leak problems will quite probably not solve the problem of heap fragmention leading to increased memory usage the longer the browser remains running. This requires better memory management strategies at higher levels.
The only way this will be resolved is if the Firefox user community make it clear to the developers that they should stop adding features and focus on making the browser reliable and efficient [3].
You make an excellent point. Let me see if I can counter it.
Don't bother waking me up when Opera 10 arrives. Firefox 1.5 (and the upcoming 2.0) is definately much better than Opera.
There, I win. I discussed just as many issues as you did - zero.
On a Macintosh. I'm in the middle of my 5th consecutive crash trying to load the "Pirates Bay" article from 03-June. It hangs in between the initial page draw and the Slashdotter kicking in. All the less-populated pages on the Slashdot open in FF, but not the P-Bay article. Meanwhile, the Slashdotter Extension works fine for the "Reply to selected text", and even has my user-chosen color scheme for the "reply-to' page, but the main page is a stiff, no color. Lousy stuff.
If the guys wrote three or four of the Extensions (Slashdotter, Developer Tools, AdBlock, and a couple others) for any other app out there, I would toss FF in a second. What a dog.. If the 'community' (har har) can't write for the Mac, then then they ought to admit they're a windows/Explorer thing, and get out of the pool. what a waste.
Safari, Camino, and OmniWeb rip through the same page like it isn't even there. What's FF's excuse? I ask you...Shabby bullshit..and Safari is way faster and they have a clue about CSS, what gives? It's like 1998 over in FF-land, jesus, wake the fuck up, or roll over and find a new gig.There are many situatutions where you can't use 1.5 (or 5.0 or whatever the Marketing dept. is coming up with this week) but pretty much everyone has 1.4 already installed. For one example, my work machines are locked down so I can't upgrade Java to 1.5. For maximum compatibility, I always write my Java with the 1.4 API.
Back to the original topic, using Java's API with frames is much nicer than without. But what problem was xtracto referring to? I just did a Find and it hopped around the frames looking for matches just fine. This machine is Windows 2000, BTW.