It's amazing how an article comparing Windows excess baggage to Mac excess baggage, gets a first post about how Linux sucks. Would all Windows users just migrate to Digg.com. Also, get this guys, people who've migrated from Windows to Linux and stayed probably know how to properly set up a Windows box. In fact we're probably better at it than you. Not only can we do that, though, we can also properly set up a Linux box. To the idiots comparing a Windows install to a Suse install, try comparing it to a Damn Small Linux install or a Frugalware install instead. A full Suse install would have tons of applications that you won't find in a standard Windows install. As for performance, Linux is probably just as backward compatible as Windows. There will be some flavors that are as slow or slower than your XP install. There are also flavors that are much more fast. Examples of these would be Gentoo, Arch, and Frugalware. You can also compile your own from scratch optimized for your system. You can't do that with Windows. So why don't you argue about Windows and Mac.
C'mon ????Lotus Notes....I wish they would unport it for Windows....I'm forced to use it at work and I hate it. Give us Google Earth for Linux. That needs to be on the list. I set up dual boot on my home PC which is normally just Linux, just so I could get on Google Earth. Before anyone tells me to Wine it, I have tried to and it's just not going to work on my preferred distro. I've heard of spyware, malware, abandonware, shareware, freeware, and all that. Lotus Notes should be labelled crapware.
"> For those wanting to change, there's a super-polished, UNIX user friendly, open-source running contender in Apple's OS X.
OS X it not Open Source."
I believe what the guy meant was that OS X will run open-source apps.
"open-source running contender"
Though, open source apps are available for every OS in existence so it should be sticken from the statement.
The biggest difference is that one begins with an "R" and the other an "N".
Commercial Linux Companies offer less than totally free distros and its sad that everyone comparing GNU/Linux to other OS's use these commercial distros as comparison every time. Why is it everyone thinks the only thing worth having, costs more???? People amaze me. We are raised with the mindset that cheap things are well....crap. While this is sometimes the case, here it is definitely not. Sorry for the rant! Now everyone start flaming me for mentioning something about Linux in a Linux discussion, which seems to always happen for some strange reason.
just realized the girl in jurassic park predicted the future by saying those lines...she was looking at a Mac I believe and said that line....I could be wrong though....speilberg knew...
I think I'm going to help that idiot with the $3.8 million 4D shit....I'll integrate a Nintendo Power Glove as the VR new age mouse. And the screen can do some of that futuristic crazy shit like in that true to life film "Hackers". If I can just find my big red book.
Though Ubuntu wasn't first released until 2004 and Arch was first release in 2002, Debian has been around since 1993. Debian was popular way before Ubuntu came out. Ubuntu has newer packages. Debian Sarge is a rock. Arch originally was a Linux from Scratch with influences from Crux. Never the less it was built from the ground up. In that perspective Ubuntu has about an 11 year head start on Arch.
I wasn't comparing vpenis size. I was just stating that I have tried most distros out. If you last used Arch 6 months ago you may want to try it out now instead of stating how "crappy" and "broken" it is. It has come a very long way in a short amount of time. You stated that you used Freebsd. Pacman is very simular to ports. You stated that you didn't like the compile time in Gentoo yet it's portage is modeled after Freebsd's ports system. Last I checked Freebsd's package management compiles in much the same way. You can also install from binary in both. The problem I have with your comments is that in response to me saying people should try Arch you say that it's crap and broken based on your experience with it 6 months ago. It's at version 0.7.1. It's a very young distro. Yet, in the six months since you last used it, it's came very far evidently. I first tried it 3 months ago and I've been using it since. Before I used it, I was using Ubuntu and Debian. It hasn't broken that whole time.
It may not be for you. Six months ago it may have broke on you. Some people would love it though if they tried it out. I think coming off all negative about something you don't really have any recent knowledge of is pretty pointless. I do think by this time next year that it'll be a much more popular distro. I could be wrong. Maybe you'll try it again within the next year and decide you like it. Who knows?
I've never had those sort of issues with Arch and I know quite a few others who prefer it. Maybe its not for everyone. One thing it doesn't do is hold your hand. I does require a little bit more time. In the process though you learn more about Linux. It's not crap, and it's not broken. I've never had something break.
Their repos do in fact have plenty of packages. Maybe they didn't when you tried it. I don't know. I've been using it for 3 months now and it's had everything I've looked for. You do have to edit the pacman.conf file in/etc. This isn't hard at all. You just uncomment the lines in that file of the repos you wish to use. Arch's documentation on their site is very well put together. Their user community is always helpful. Many distro's communities are helpful though. Once I learned some of the nuances of Arch I realized how intuitive it is. Maybe you should try it out again when you aren't so angry. Oh, and yes I can fix it myself but it's not because I'm some 1337 linux guru. It's because I take five minutes to read every now and then.
I've used Ubuntu, Gentoo, and Suse. I like Ubuntu and Gentoo, but SUSE breaks packages more often than my dog breaks wind. RPM distro's try to make everything point and click for some reason. I don't know why RPM distros are all like this but I find that the average SUSE, Fedora, Mandriva users don't know their way around the CLI. When their system breaks they usually "pull a Windows" and reinstall. Now I didn't say all were this way but a lot of beginners go with one of those distros because it's all point and click. They end up thinking Linux is crap. Because they haven't really learned enough to fix their system when it breaks. You state a lot of "crap" in your post.
"I don't give a shit if it's fast, or have new versions, it's crap and broken, it has few packages."
That is a general statement that is totally off the mark. I'm posting this comment from an Arch system that's not broken. The repos have more useful packages than more distro's I've seen. I'm using no "private" repos.
Here's a list of the distros I have used and spent at least a month with before basing my opinion on Arch: Red Hat, Mandrake/Mandrive/, Turbo Linux (back in the day), SUSE, Fedora Core 3 and 4, Ubuntu, Debian Sarge, Gentoo, LFS, Knoppix, Slackware, Corel, and though it's not Linux, Freebsd. I've been using Linux since '98 and I've been a distro whore pretty much the whole time. I know the ins and outs of all of them, and you can't tell me SUSE is better than Arch. It has a pretty gecko mascot, but that doesn't mean it's better. The things you describe about Arch like broken repos and private repos I've found is more prevalent in Ubuntu and Debian. For instance, win32codecs package in Ubuntu. How about mplayer plugin for mozilla? Yeah I know where the marillat repos are, but arch has them on it's "extra" and community repos that are in pacman.conf. You just have to uncomment them and grab the packages.
How about Xorg in debian? Or KDE 3.4? 3.4 was in testing I believe last I looked. Sarge is officially still 3.3. Hell 3.5 is out. Where's it at in the Debian repos? I've seen Debian users add every repo to their/etc/apt/sources.list they can get their hands on. Mixing up Stable, Unstable, Testing, and Experimental repos. Fudging their entire system. Any Linux is easy to break if you don't want to take a few minutes to learn what you are doing.
I believe it's so popular because of "shipit". I have received about 75 CD sets totally free from Ubuntu. I don't know of any other distro that'll ship you their OS for free(free shipping as well). They will ship you as many as you need.
I like Ubuntu(Kubuntu rather because the first thing I do when I install Ubuntu is usually: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop) but currently I use Arch. More people should try Arch in my opinion. I've tried just about every major distro and Arch owns them all.
I beginning to prefer pacman over apt and Arch just runs faster. I predict next year the article on slashdot will be about Arch and it's rise to fame.
I have a computer. I got it at a flea market for 20 dollars. It doesn't work. Anyone have any idea why? How do I fix it? I've tried everything I know. HELP!
WTF is slashdot posting this for? What kind of news is this? This has to be the stupidest "story" I've ever seen on the front page of slashdot. Please for the love of geekdom, put in a story moderation system.
Though I will say, judging by some stories that make the front page of Digg, it won't help a whole lot. Maybe you could make it +/- mods...not just + mods. I think that would actually make it better than Digg. Right now you either "Digg" a story or you don't. If enough people digg it then it makes the front page. You should be allowed to give negative mod points to the story as well. Please give us Negative Mod points for "news" stories on Slashdot. This "ask slashdot" should have never made front page.
At least give the subscribed users story mod points or something. If we are this desperate for "stories", I'll come up with a nice question like "I installed Linux now I can't find windows, what do I do?".
Maybe it'll make windows developers learn more about what they are doing. It's better to have the choice of five different browsers that all use a set standard than one browser who's developers think they don't have to follow standards. If you are developing programs in windows and using prebuilt components in Visual Studio then sure it's going to be tough on you. That's very generic programming and you are making yourself dependant upon MS's developers to do 90% of the coding for you. If you are in the position where you have to bundle all these "service level applications" with your installer perhaps you should break down and write the apps into your program. If you had to write an integrated media player in your app you'd probably be happy that things like open standards exist.
This is slashdot man. News for nerds. Most if not all nerds know what a GUI is. It just baffles me when people feel like they have to "define an acronym" to make themselves look smarter, especially "GUI". I mean who are you trying to impress?
Oh and mods I know this will be modded flamebait but geez!
I fear that these Macedonian kids are going to grow up with higher intellects than people who post on slashdot explaining what a GUI is and using terms like "root editor". Who knows, these kids may actually grow up to be "highly skilled technicians". It's a lot better than dumbed down power users with no idea what they are talking about.
I mean seriously, American children should have more of this. Challenge them. I sound like my dad but kids these days spend more time BS'ing about what they don't know instead of actually learning it. I feel sorry for my country. We put so much effort into convincing our kids how great our country is and how smart they are for being able to turn on a computer. We should be teaching them skills that will enable them to compete in the world. I say good for Macedonian.
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It's amazing how an article comparing Windows excess baggage to Mac excess baggage, gets a first post about how Linux sucks. Would all Windows users just migrate to Digg.com. Also, get this guys, people who've migrated from Windows to Linux and stayed probably know how to properly set up a Windows box. In fact we're probably better at it than you. Not only can we do that, though, we can also properly set up a Linux box. To the idiots comparing a Windows install to a Suse install, try comparing it to a Damn Small Linux install or a Frugalware install instead. A full Suse install would have tons of applications that you won't find in a standard Windows install. As for performance, Linux is probably just as backward compatible as Windows. There will be some flavors that are as slow or slower than your XP install. There are also flavors that are much more fast. Examples of these would be Gentoo, Arch, and Frugalware. You can also compile your own from scratch optimized for your system. You can't do that with Windows. So why don't you argue about Windows and Mac.
I doubt they are really rewriting anything. They probably found some more OSS code they want to put into their OS. Maybe they want to rip off Xgl now.
google automatix
Submit it to digg. They usually run something at least 3 times.
what was your alteration...i tried that guide with no luck a few times
I've been waiting. I thought for sure they'd come out at the same time.
C'mon ????Lotus Notes....I wish they would unport it for Windows....I'm forced to use it at work and I hate it. Give us Google Earth for Linux. That needs to be on the list. I set up dual boot on my home PC which is normally just Linux, just so I could get on Google Earth. Before anyone tells me to Wine it, I have tried to and it's just not going to work on my preferred distro. I've heard of spyware, malware, abandonware, shareware, freeware, and all that. Lotus Notes should be labelled crapware.
I do believe all the mention of Slashdot on Digg.com has brought digg users here....
Bill???
"> For those wanting to change, there's a super-polished, UNIX user friendly, open-source running contender in Apple's OS X. OS X it not Open Source."
I believe what the guy meant was that OS X will run open-source apps.
"open-source running contender"
Though, open source apps are available for every OS in existence so it should be sticken from the statement.
maybe it'll hit my mother-in-law's house
ahhhh you had the sound on? That's Cheating!
There are a few nice tutorials and ebooks here Get well aquainted with HTML and if you just want a nice blog, try wordpress. It's very easy.
The biggest difference is that one begins with an "R" and the other an "N". Commercial Linux Companies offer less than totally free distros and its sad that everyone comparing GNU/Linux to other OS's use these commercial distros as comparison every time. Why is it everyone thinks the only thing worth having, costs more???? People amaze me. We are raised with the mindset that cheap things are well....crap. While this is sometimes the case, here it is definitely not. Sorry for the rant! Now everyone start flaming me for mentioning something about Linux in a Linux discussion, which seems to always happen for some strange reason.
Nice. Thanks for point me to the truth.
just realized the girl in jurassic park predicted the future by saying those lines...she was looking at a Mac I believe and said that line....I could be wrong though....speilberg knew... I think I'm going to help that idiot with the $3.8 million 4D shit....I'll integrate a Nintendo Power Glove as the VR new age mouse. And the screen can do some of that futuristic crazy shit like in that true to life film "Hackers". If I can just find my big red book.
Though Ubuntu wasn't first released until 2004 and Arch was first release in 2002, Debian has been around since 1993. Debian was popular way before Ubuntu came out. Ubuntu has newer packages. Debian Sarge is a rock. Arch originally was a Linux from Scratch with influences from Crux. Never the less it was built from the ground up. In that perspective Ubuntu has about an 11 year head start on Arch.
I wasn't comparing vpenis size. I was just stating that I have tried most distros out. If you last used Arch 6 months ago you may want to try it out now instead of stating how "crappy" and "broken" it is. It has come a very long way in a short amount of time. You stated that you used Freebsd. Pacman is very simular to ports. You stated that you didn't like the compile time in Gentoo yet it's portage is modeled after Freebsd's ports system. Last I checked Freebsd's package management compiles in much the same way. You can also install from binary in both. The problem I have with your comments is that in response to me saying people should try Arch you say that it's crap and broken based on your experience with it 6 months ago. It's at version 0.7.1. It's a very young distro. Yet, in the six months since you last used it, it's came very far evidently. I first tried it 3 months ago and I've been using it since. Before I used it, I was using Ubuntu and Debian. It hasn't broken that whole time.
It may not be for you. Six months ago it may have broke on you. Some people would love it though if they tried it out. I think coming off all negative about something you don't really have any recent knowledge of is pretty pointless. I do think by this time next year that it'll be a much more popular distro. I could be wrong. Maybe you'll try it again within the next year and decide you like it. Who knows?
I've never had those sort of issues with Arch and I know quite a few others who prefer it. Maybe its not for everyone. One thing it doesn't do is hold your hand. I does require a little bit more time. In the process though you learn more about Linux. It's not crap, and it's not broken. I've never had something break. /etc. This isn't hard at all. You just uncomment the lines in that file of the repos you wish to use. Arch's documentation on their site is very well put together. Their user community is always helpful. Many distro's communities are helpful though. Once I learned some of the nuances of Arch I realized how intuitive it is. Maybe you should try it out again when you aren't so angry. Oh, and yes I can fix it myself but it's not because I'm some 1337 linux guru. It's because I take five minutes to read every now and then.
/etc/apt/sources.list they can get their hands on. Mixing up Stable, Unstable, Testing, and Experimental repos. Fudging their entire system. Any Linux is easy to break if you don't want to take a few minutes to learn what you are doing.
Their repos do in fact have plenty of packages. Maybe they didn't when you tried it. I don't know. I've been using it for 3 months now and it's had everything I've looked for. You do have to edit the pacman.conf file in
I've used Ubuntu, Gentoo, and Suse. I like Ubuntu and Gentoo, but SUSE breaks packages more often than my dog breaks wind. RPM distro's try to make everything point and click for some reason. I don't know why RPM distros are all like this but I find that the average SUSE, Fedora, Mandriva users don't know their way around the CLI. When their system breaks they usually "pull a Windows" and reinstall. Now I didn't say all were this way but a lot of beginners go with one of those distros because it's all point and click. They end up thinking Linux is crap. Because they haven't really learned enough to fix their system when it breaks. You state a lot of "crap" in your post.
"I don't give a shit if it's fast, or have new versions, it's crap and broken, it has few packages."
That is a general statement that is totally off the mark. I'm posting this comment from an Arch system that's not broken. The repos have more useful packages than more distro's I've seen. I'm using no "private" repos.
Here's a list of the distros I have used and spent at least a month with before basing my opinion on Arch: Red Hat, Mandrake/Mandrive/, Turbo Linux (back in the day), SUSE, Fedora Core 3 and 4, Ubuntu, Debian Sarge, Gentoo, LFS, Knoppix, Slackware, Corel, and though it's not Linux, Freebsd. I've been using Linux since '98 and I've been a distro whore pretty much the whole time. I know the ins and outs of all of them, and you can't tell me SUSE is better than Arch. It has a pretty gecko mascot, but that doesn't mean it's better. The things you describe about Arch like broken repos and private repos I've found is more prevalent in Ubuntu and Debian. For instance, win32codecs package in Ubuntu. How about mplayer plugin for mozilla? Yeah I know where the marillat repos are, but arch has them on it's "extra" and community repos that are in pacman.conf. You just have to uncomment them and grab the packages.
How about Xorg in debian? Or KDE 3.4? 3.4 was in testing I believe last I looked. Sarge is officially still 3.3. Hell 3.5 is out. Where's it at in the Debian repos? I've seen Debian users add every repo to their
I believe it's so popular because of "shipit". I have received about 75 CD sets totally free from Ubuntu. I don't know of any other distro that'll ship you their OS for free(free shipping as well). They will ship you as many as you need.
I like Ubuntu(Kubuntu rather because the first thing I do when I install Ubuntu is usually: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop) but currently I use Arch. More people should try Arch in my opinion. I've tried just about every major distro and Arch owns them all.
I beginning to prefer pacman over apt and Arch just runs faster. I predict next year the article on slashdot will be about Arch and it's rise to fame.
I have a computer. I got it at a flea market for 20 dollars. It doesn't work. Anyone have any idea why? How do I fix it? I've tried everything I know. HELP!
WTF is slashdot posting this for? What kind of news is this? This has to be the stupidest "story" I've ever seen on the front page of slashdot. Please for the love of geekdom, put in a story moderation system.
Though I will say, judging by some stories that make the front page of Digg, it won't help a whole lot. Maybe you could make it +/- mods...not just + mods. I think that would actually make it better than Digg. Right now you either "Digg" a story or you don't. If enough people digg it then it makes the front page. You should be allowed to give negative mod points to the story as well. Please give us Negative Mod points for "news" stories on Slashdot. This "ask slashdot" should have never made front page.
At least give the subscribed users story mod points or something. If we are this desperate for "stories", I'll come up with a nice question like "I installed Linux now I can't find windows, what do I do?".
Maybe it'll make windows developers learn more about what they are doing. It's better to have the choice of five different browsers that all use a set standard than one browser who's developers think they don't have to follow standards. If you are developing programs in windows and using prebuilt components in Visual Studio then sure it's going to be tough on you. That's very generic programming and you are making yourself dependant upon MS's developers to do 90% of the coding for you. If you are in the position where you have to bundle all these "service level applications" with your installer perhaps you should break down and write the apps into your program. If you had to write an integrated media player in your app you'd probably be happy that things like open standards exist.
This is slashdot man. News for nerds. Most if not all nerds know what a GUI is. It just baffles me when people feel like they have to "define an acronym" to make themselves look smarter, especially "GUI". I mean who are you trying to impress? Oh and mods I know this will be modded flamebait but geez!
I fear that these Macedonian kids are going to grow up with higher intellects than people who post on slashdot explaining what a GUI is and using terms like "root editor". Who knows, these kids may actually grow up to be "highly skilled technicians". It's a lot better than dumbed down power users with no idea what they are talking about.
I mean seriously, American children should have more of this. Challenge them. I sound like my dad but kids these days spend more time BS'ing about what they don't know instead of actually learning it. I feel sorry for my country. We put so much effort into convincing our kids how great our country is and how smart they are for being able to turn on a computer. We should be teaching them skills that will enable them to compete in the world. I say good for Macedonian.
"mean you *could* use it on ducks but it's certainly not named after that usage." You also can't use it on Duct