The guy who already responded hit it. The thing with Wine is the Not an Emulator (Wine Is Not an Emulator) part is important. Wine is basically an API that works with your os directly. Performance isn't really hit, think of Windows XP running 98SE software in compatability mode, its just using another API.
I can run Photoshop and MS Office on my iBook without any gimmicks or compromises like I would need to run them on a Linux laptop.
I wouldn't call CodeWeavers Wine a gimmick or a compromise. And at this point OS X happens to owe a lot itself to open source.
I think the significance here is that the little guy, an operating system 'cobbled together' by enthusiasts and idealists is starting to approach a state of usefulness only believed to be accomplishable by corporations. And of course, its free and strangely idealistic. Thats why its news.
I've been really looking forward to the new theme packages and management. The old system was pretty silly, but from what I've read, the new one puts it all into a nice single package (I'm sure it will be a while before kde-look.org has any to d/l).
Stop writing article after article about why Windows sucks and why Linux is better and start writing articles about what's wrong with Linux and how you can fix it, or just how you can improve it.
Exactly. I've been using Linux for the past 5 years at home as my sole operating system. I love it and I am very comfortable with it. But we are kidding ourselves to say its ready for prime-time and god help those people who are unlucky enough to listen to the zealotry and install it themselves expecting it to be as point-and-clicky as Windows or OSX or whatever.
This sort of fanboi-ism is about as unconstructive as it gets, at best we end up wasting our breath in a sad attempt to gloat in our self-satisfaction.
But we really could be putting our energy somewhere else.
Crossover office runs the whole MS Office suite. Its produced by CodeWeavers, who are considered good OSS community members (they give back). Also supported are *some* versions of Photoshop, Illustrator and Dreamweaver (also, of course Iexplorer, Windows Media Player and Quicktime).
Personally I always get a kick out of firing up the Internet Explorer.
KDE is close with www.kde-look.org but I'd really like to see a DE pull it all together and create a dynamic user/developer environment.
Comments.
Ratings (good for both artist/developers *and* users)
Pictures! (eyecandish interface and background picutres! you want to attract artists and excite users!)
Oh, and no patronizing, but it sound like you got that part already!
Well unless you left something off or I missed something your chipset is listed as supported. I used a Vortex based card myself for years (Monster) under Linux (I use SB now for the easy support).
Here's a link to the original project (it was merged into the ALSA project):
My advice would be (and you'll probably hate this) to NOT use Gentoo unless your idea of a relaxing afternoon is digging into the heart of how things work. I've been using Linux for at least 5 years now and I prefer Mandrake because (aside from MandrakeSoft making all their additions GPL) it has great auto configuration and hardware detection.
Before you go crazy at me, you can always try one of their live disks (MandrakeMove) out first and see if it works okay for you.
No. Not any more then 'they all work' under Windows XP or Macintosh.A lot of them working and by working intellegently (maybe with a little help like I was offering) there is a good chance the one he had did work. Nobody starts off with a new OS as a master of it.
Not all distros are alike, and some do a better job at configuring things for you. If you trying to write off Linux as a whole (how'd you get modded insightful?) you need to give at least a couple of actual details (otherwise as far as I'm concerned your a potentail Microsoftie out on FUD partrol).
If you happen to be using it or don't mind switching. You just need to set urpmi up to use alternative sources (you should always do this immediately).
Or it could be that even in a well functioning society there exist natural antisocial urges for basic ego satisafication. We bahave well, but is that truely out natural urge? Always?
And it makes sense. Aesthetically, Mac would appeal to a person with certain priorities. Where Windows is clunky (and sometimes powerful) Mac is sleek and somewhat efficient. Anyone whos ever seen an interview with Steve Jobs knows what kind of person the Mac has been designed for. The PC was for everybody else.
Personally I'd like to have my cake and eat it too, but where Linux adds power its still trades consistency of design. Next I guess I'll be trying out YellowTab (BeOs varient) on my test machine. KDE is creepying consistently towards the level of configurability and consistency I'd like to see (but its still quite a ways from that goal).
Forget blowing them all out of the water, how about finishing playing catch up?
I don't mind downloading then manually copying over the right files just to get flash working. But my wife? Forget about it, she just thinks MozillaFox is broken and would have happily continued using a browser that 'works'.
But she can't, I took Windows away too. I'm sneaky that way.;-)
Anyhow, extentions are great. But make them easier to for everyone else to use!
I don't know about *slower* than windows, your probably see a lot of variation between distributions using precompiled versions of KDE (with different patches, etc). I don't use KDE a lot myself because there is a hit when comparing it to more minimal DE's (Blackbox), but from what I understand 3.3 does have one very nice feature a real theme manager.
Features
* can install and remove themes
* can create themes based on user's settings
* theme format based on XML
* currently handles desktop settings (wallpaper, colors etc.), icon theme, cursor theme, sounds, WM decoration, Konqueror and Kicker background, screensaver
This is one of those steps in the right direction. I use KDE from time to time just for fun (especially after poking around kde-look.org). After a few more versions like this I'll probably end up using it fulltime though.
But you know its all relative. If the average Windows user used Linux they would make a mess of it, they would break it. The average Linux user has a better chance of running any computer relatively maintainnce-free because the level of technical knowlege using Linux requires!
I'm taking some networking courses right now and its astounding what even relatively knowlegable Windows users know vs. what a average (competent) Linux user knows. Windows of course hides most of the compexity with fairly well designed tools, XFree86/ifconfig/route/iptables/modules.conf/etc does not.;-)
Most one-sided arguements do everyone injustice. For Linux to continue to grow we need to look at it more critically, not this kind of self-congradulatory blathering.
I have not done a formal TCO study on my home network or my relative's computer, but I suspect that if we did one we'd find that we come in at the low end of the scale. Our hardware expenses have been minimal, our software expenses are effectively zero, and even if you include install time, we're talking about less than half an hour per year of admin time per system.
Less then half-hour per year? Wow, thats funny because I spend a lot more time then that and I've been using Linux full-time for over 4 years. And as impressed as I am by the gerth of available programs there are plenty of times where I'd trade them all for *1* that really works.
I would have gone along with this kind of gushing buffoonery two or three years ago, but c'mon. Linux is good and if your willing to get your hands dirty you'll probably never go back, but thats the catch isn't it? If you don't want to have to roll up your sleeves randomly or unexpectedly, this still isn't the right operating system for you.
I wouldn't say I'm spoiled, like a lot of things there is give and take. Lets see some more substantial polish before thumbing our noses at anyone.
I agree with you, but only to a point. For this to be effective the FCC would have to step up its aggressiveness, but they know that and would bother putting it into place unless they where (more) able to process it. There would be a lot more pressure with money as a potentailly serious motivating factor.
Slashdot Mirror
The guy who already responded hit it. The thing with Wine is the Not an Emulator (Wine Is Not an Emulator) part is important. Wine is basically an API that works with your os directly. Performance isn't really hit, think of Windows XP running 98SE software in compatability mode, its just using another API.
I can run Photoshop and MS Office on my iBook without any gimmicks or compromises like I would need to run them on a Linux laptop.
I wouldn't call CodeWeavers Wine a gimmick or a compromise. And at this point OS X happens to owe a lot itself to open source.
I think the significance here is that the little guy, an operating system 'cobbled together' by enthusiasts and idealists is starting to approach a state of usefulness only believed to be accomplishable by corporations. And of course, its free and strangely idealistic. Thats why its news.
They got a front-page slashdot story.
*crash*
I don't know about the rest, but the theme manager update (supports complete theme packages)is definately worth it.
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Even a few themes out there to support it:
http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=1445
I've been really looking forward to the new theme packages and management. The old system was pretty silly, but from what I've read, the new one puts it all into a nice single package (I'm sure it will be a while before kde-look.org has any to d/l).
On that note, Caldera was one of the first nice installs I saw (Red Hat was fugly!). Even let you play Tetris while it installed!
Not that I like SCO today.
This sort of fanboi-ism is about as unconstructive as it gets, at best we end up wasting our breath in a sad attempt to gloat in our self-satisfaction.
But we really could be putting our energy somewhere else.
Crossover office runs the whole MS Office suite. Its produced by CodeWeavers, who are considered good OSS community members (they give back). Also supported are *some* versions of Photoshop, Illustrator and Dreamweaver (also, of course Iexplorer, Windows Media Player and Quicktime). Personally I always get a kick out of firing up the Internet Explorer.
I understand, good work getting it fixed.
KDE is close with www.kde-look.org but I'd really like to see a DE pull it all together and create a dynamic user/developer environment.
Comments.
Ratings (good for both artist/developers *and* users)
Pictures! (eyecandish interface and background picutres! you want to attract artists and excite users!)
Oh, and no patronizing, but it sound like you got that part already!
Well unless you left something off or I missed something your chipset is listed as supported. I used a Vortex based card myself for years (Monster) under Linux (I use SB now for the easy support).
Here's a link to the original project (it was merged into the ALSA project):
savannah.nongnu.org/projects/openvortex/
Its also listed in the ALSA matrix as supported:
www.alsa-project.org
My advice would be (and you'll probably hate this) to NOT use Gentoo unless your idea of a relaxing afternoon is digging into the heart of how things work. I've been using Linux for at least 5 years now and I prefer Mandrake because (aside from MandrakeSoft making all their additions GPL) it has great auto configuration and hardware detection.
Before you go crazy at me, you can always try one of their live disks (MandrakeMove) out first and see if it works okay for you.
MandrakeMove
Sometimes easier isn't lame, its productive.
No. Not any more then 'they all work' under Windows XP or Macintosh.A lot of them working and by working intellegently (maybe with a little help like I was offering) there is a good chance the one he had did work. Nobody starts off with a new OS as a master of it.
Which sound card are you using?
Which distro?
Not all distros are alike, and some do a better job at configuring things for you. If you trying to write off Linux as a whole (how'd you get modded insightful?) you need to give at least a couple of actual details (otherwise as far as I'm concerned your a potentail Microsoftie out on FUD partrol).
Take a look: rpm.nyvalls.se
To add this as root type:
Looks like thac has already packaged Muse 0.7.0 along with a load of other sound related software. Good stuff.
Or it could be that even in a well functioning society there exist natural antisocial urges for basic ego satisafication. We bahave well, but is that truely out natural urge? Always?
And it makes sense. Aesthetically, Mac would appeal to a person with certain priorities. Where Windows is clunky (and sometimes powerful) Mac is sleek and somewhat efficient. Anyone whos ever seen an interview with Steve Jobs knows what kind of person the Mac has been designed for. The PC was for everybody else.
Personally I'd like to have my cake and eat it too, but where Linux adds power its still trades consistency of design. Next I guess I'll be trying out YellowTab (BeOs varient) on my test machine. KDE is creepying consistently towards the level of configurability and consistency I'd like to see (but its still quite a ways from that goal).
Loser. Who hates the Xbox anyway?
Forget blowing them all out of the water, how about finishing playing catch up? I don't mind downloading then manually copying over the right files just to get flash working. But my wife? Forget about it, she just thinks MozillaFox is broken and would have happily continued using a browser that 'works'. But she can't, I took Windows away too. I'm sneaky that way. ;-)
Anyhow, extentions are great. But make them easier to for everyone else to use!
One word: .NET
That's why he shouldn't run as root.
The ideal is not the reality.
But you know its all relative. If the average Windows user used Linux they would make a mess of it, they would break it. The average Linux user has a better chance of running any computer relatively maintainnce-free because the level of technical knowlege using Linux requires! I'm taking some networking courses right now and its astounding what even relatively knowlegable Windows users know vs. what a average (competent) Linux user knows. Windows of course hides most of the compexity with fairly well designed tools, XFree86/ifconfig/route/iptables/modules.conf/etc does not. ;-)
I would have gone along with this kind of gushing buffoonery two or three years ago, but c'mon. Linux is good and if your willing to get your hands dirty you'll probably never go back, but thats the catch isn't it? If you don't want to have to roll up your sleeves randomly or unexpectedly, this still isn't the right operating system for you.
I wouldn't say I'm spoiled, like a lot of things there is give and take. Lets see some more substantial polish before thumbing our noses at anyone.
I agree with you, but only to a point. For this to be effective the FCC would have to step up its aggressiveness, but they know that and would bother putting it into place unless they where (more) able to process it. There would be a lot more pressure with money as a potentailly serious motivating factor.
You *sound* like an anti-left, which clouds your point a little.