It's the size of a freakin' small planet for f*cks sake! I know none of us go outside much but a sky scrapper can take longer than a year to build and yet you're thinking 16 years to build a small planet sized artificial satilite is bit long?!
I personally think something of that scale would be >50 years.
No, Bill Gates didn't steal DOS, it was acquired for $50,000 dollars.Apple however did "borrow" ideas from Xerox
Microsoft may not always be the best corporate citizen but my view on the current subject is that Microsoft is a victim to it's own hype - they started hyping up desktop search in windows (via WinFS*) so long ago that people started to get interested (incidentally WinFS has been on the books since pre-Windows 95). Now that people are interested other vendors are bringing it to market much faster that Microsoft can/has. Microsoft didn't "invent" search - it's a basic idea (It's been in OS's for a very long time - just now it's being optimised). Apple didn't invent search either. Goodness knows who actually did.
Just my thoughts
- JD
* I realise WinFS is considerably more than search. I also know it's not going to be in Longhorn (at least not initially) so now Microsoft is adding new search tools rather than leveraging WinFS as originally anticipated.
Keeping in mind that the article is trying to do two things:
1. Point out that spyware is getting worse
2. Show that the.net framework is huge
The latter point is simply trying to get people (especially anti-Microsoft people) fired up over nothing. The.net framework is ~23MB, and the service pack is ~10MB. There aren't any "optional extras" to the.net framework as such however they could be talking about components that AREN'T part of the.net framework. You get the framework in several flavours and the standard install is the largest. I'm willing to bet that the total size is how much harddisk space is actually consumed after install - and not the volume downloaded. I'm sure you could say that the Java Runtime is 100MB - it doesn't mean you download 100MB however.
Call me cynical (been on slashdot for many a year now) but parts of this article seem designed to enduce high emotion with a slashdot type crowd.
I agree with the parent here as the Microsoft website runs on IIS (It's a big site so parts are still ASP, some parts ASP.NET) but I guess making the huge mental leap that Linux doesn't run ASP.NET is just a bit too much to ask from a linux zealot.
I'm not anti-linux, I use it a bit at home and also work on Windows. I use what I find best for the situation.
- JD
P.S. This isn't attack on the parent but the original post:-)
By your calculations, as Visual Studio 2002 was on 3 CDs, that would mean Visual Studio 2003 would have been on 9 CDs and Visual Studio 2005 will be on 27 CDs. Visual Studio 2003 actually comes on the same number of cds as 2002 and appears to use less harddisk space.
Nothing like an anti-Microsoft thread to bring out the idiots.
I do however agree that 3CDs by itself is actually rather large and something could be done to reduce that size.
I like that longhorn being delivered on time was mentioned since Microsoft has officially said 2006 is the year for longhorns release. Of course this is slashdot so pig ignorance is acceptable as long as it's about Microsoft.
Does anyone else finding it somewhat odd that we have threads like this that are basically bitching about how hard it is to steal IP?
You have a couple of people who have their own views that IP should be free, but I'm willing to bet that it's
I know that it's often mentioned that the ethics behind how the parties find users who are downloading material are often questionable but does anyone else find it just as ethically questionable that you can have open and frank discussions on one of the webs more popular sites about how unfair it is that you can't just steal that parties material?
I realise this probably won't be modded up and that there will be plenty of people who can come up with a million reasons why I'm wrong (fair use if you already own the content but it's protected etc) but seriously, I doubt that's more than a couple of people per thousand that is pirating material.
Beta 2.0 is go live, when that comes out then applications written with it will start coming out. My use of Beta1 has shown to be very stable (VS2005 needs a bit more polishing but the framework itself is quite solid).
I know what you're getting at but surely you've experienced times when a beta product is already solud and when a beta product is a pile of junk?.Net 2.0 is pretty much done).
My personal view is that.net 2.0 is being held in beta because it makes no sense to Microsoft to release it until VS2005 is out to work with it. This does however provide an upside which is that the.net framework should be as solid as a rock.
Anyway, I'm just looking forward to using it all the time:-D
.net 2.0 beta 1 redist. is already available and most developers already have beta1 of the new Visual Studio (you can even download C# Express for free and code to the 2.0 framework). Beta2 comes with a go-live license at that will be out early in the new year.
While you might think 2.0 is a long way off, in reality a lot of people have been using it for months (I know in my personal projects I've been coding in.net 2.0 and it's a tonne better).
Also worth noting is that in a recent TechEd04 video I watched the presenter points out that generics in Java are not as efficient as the.net ones as all the compiler does behind the scenes is chuck in your type castings for you while the CLR 2.0 actually handles it in an intelligent manner.
I would also like to add your comment that at the moment NZs economy owns everyone elses for growth and stability. I've lived in NZ all my life but I am always impressed at how we do for our size:-)
Also as a Kiwi I have to say I love that photo of himself - very kiwi ("just built me a cruise missle in the backyard, yep" the overalls and gravel driveway really are a nice touch.
We don't build anything like that - heck, it was a massive national debate because we brought 3 second hand frigates! The guy really does need more international exposure to get a job but I think if he didn't get the offers he wanted when it was on the news he ain't going to get them now.
He would seem from his webpage to really want to stay in NZ but that the government has tried to screw him so badly he has no choice but to leave to find someone who can employ him for what he's good at.
I am from NZ and there are no "big boys" here (largest NZ company is worth 4billion dollars, got our first billionaire last year as well - give some info on what the scale is here).
In my opinion the "killer app" that not only 64bits systems, but linux in general needs to make any serious headway is business applications. Another person who replied touched on this with mention of RDMS.
What linux needs more of is actual business systems (Point of sale, finance tracking etc - for small to medium sized businesses). If you could run your point of sales system on linux the savings of several hundred dollars per system would be a major advantage. I mean it was the spreedsheet that really brought pushed PCs mainstream (you start using one at work, then you think you should probably have one at home... story goes on).
It's just an opinion - but I think we have more than enough text editors and windowing environments.
I see a lot of replies here which are attacking this guys idea in some way. This is stupid - at least he is doing more than most people are doing, and i think that is the key. To be successful you just need to adopt the attitude to "just get it done". Most people spend their lives going on about stuff without ever actually just doing it. So before telling him he is wrong or that his spelling is bad (it's Slashdot - I'm sure he writes better when it matters) how about a bit of positive re-enforcement.
Personally - good on you. I recently started a business myself in New Zealand. I'm developing the systems for the business now (software systems) and once complete I am looking forward to the challange of building the business. Best of luck.
I would like to point out that people might be starting to notice that New Zealand is quite a guttsy little country except, as a shareholder in Telecom New Zealand, I am sure I read in the reports they are owned (well, controlled) by some guy in Hong Kong or something.
As the person commenting about waking up about decent bandwidth - at least it appears telecom could be unbundled soon and we MIGHT finally see some decent action.
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If you ignore marketing costs, I think Microsoft discovered this around the time it was formed - it's called software.
- JD
However it does also include hacks that will only work in Visual Studio 2005 so it's hardly only targetted at a single version. Well worth the buy.
- JD
It's the size of a freakin' small planet for f*cks sake! I know none of us go outside much but a sky scrapper can take longer than a year to build and yet you're thinking 16 years to build a small planet sized artificial satilite is bit long?!
I personally think something of that scale would be >50 years.
-JD
No, Bill Gates didn't steal DOS, it was acquired for $50,000 dollars.Apple however did "borrow" ideas from Xerox
Microsoft may not always be the best corporate citizen but my view on the current subject is that Microsoft is a victim to it's own hype - they started hyping up desktop search in windows (via WinFS*) so long ago that people started to get interested (incidentally WinFS has been on the books since pre-Windows 95). Now that people are interested other vendors are bringing it to market much faster that Microsoft can/has. Microsoft didn't "invent" search - it's a basic idea (It's been in OS's for a very long time - just now it's being optimised). Apple didn't invent search either. Goodness knows who actually did.
Just my thoughts
- JD
* I realise WinFS is considerably more than search. I also know it's not going to be in Longhorn (at least not initially) so now Microsoft is adding new search tools rather than leveraging WinFS as originally anticipated.
Yeah - Windows is great for that - you should try it sometime :-)
:-D
- JD
P.S. Begin the countdown to being marked a troll
Keeping in mind that the article is trying to do two things:
.net framework is huge
.net framework is ~23MB, and the service pack is ~10MB. There aren't any "optional extras" to the .net framework as such however they could be talking about components that AREN'T part of the .net framework. You get the framework in several flavours and the standard install is the largest. I'm willing to bet that the total size is how much harddisk space is actually consumed after install - and not the volume downloaded. I'm sure you could say that the Java Runtime is 100MB - it doesn't mean you download 100MB however.
1. Point out that spyware is getting worse
2. Show that the
The latter point is simply trying to get people (especially anti-Microsoft people) fired up over nothing. The
Call me cynical (been on slashdot for many a year now) but parts of this article seem designed to enduce high emotion with a slashdot type crowd.
- JD
I agree with the parent here as the Microsoft website runs on IIS (It's a big site so parts are still ASP, some parts ASP.NET) but I guess making the huge mental leap that Linux doesn't run ASP.NET is just a bit too much to ask from a linux zealot.
:-)
I'm not anti-linux, I use it a bit at home and also work on Windows. I use what I find best for the situation.
- JD
P.S. This isn't attack on the parent but the original post
By your calculations, as Visual Studio 2002 was on 3 CDs, that would mean Visual Studio 2003 would have been on 9 CDs and Visual Studio 2005 will be on 27 CDs. Visual Studio 2003 actually comes on the same number of cds as 2002 and appears to use less harddisk space.
Nothing like an anti-Microsoft thread to bring out the idiots.
I do however agree that 3CDs by itself is actually rather large and something could be done to reduce that size.
-JD
Yep, even smart enough to know it doesn't have a capital C in the middle, but a regular one. Shockingly advanced, I know ;-)
- JD
It's cool man, you have the ice, we'll keep the brains. It's win win ;-)
- JD
I like that longhorn being delivered on time was mentioned since Microsoft has officially said 2006 is the year for longhorns release. Of course this is slashdot so pig ignorance is acceptable as long as it's about Microsoft.
- traskjd
Does anyone else finding it somewhat odd that we have threads like this that are basically bitching about how hard it is to steal IP?
You have a couple of people who have their own views that IP should be free, but I'm willing to bet that it's
I know that it's often mentioned that the ethics behind how the parties find users who are downloading material are often questionable but does anyone else find it just as ethically questionable that you can have open and frank discussions on one of the webs more popular sites about how unfair it is that you can't just steal that parties material?
I realise this probably won't be modded up and that there will be plenty of people who can come up with a million reasons why I'm wrong (fair use if you already own the content but it's protected etc) but seriously, I doubt that's more than a couple of people per thousand that is pirating material.
- traskjd
Beta 2.0 is go live, when that comes out then applications written with it will start coming out. My use of Beta1 has shown to be very stable (VS2005 needs a bit more polishing but the framework itself is quite solid).
.Net 2.0 is pretty much done).
.net 2.0 is being held in beta because it makes no sense to Microsoft to release it until VS2005 is out to work with it. This does however provide an upside which is that the .net framework should be as solid as a rock.
:-D
I know what you're getting at but surely you've experienced times when a beta product is already solud and when a beta product is a pile of junk?
My personal view is that
Anyway, I'm just looking forward to using it all the time
- JD
.net 2.0 beta 1 redist. is already available and most developers already have beta1 of the new Visual Studio (you can even download C# Express for free and code to the 2.0 framework). Beta2 comes with a go-live license at that will be out early in the new year.
.net 2.0 and it's a tonne better).
.net ones as all the compiler does behind the scenes is chuck in your type castings for you while the CLR 2.0 actually handles it in an intelligent manner.
While you might think 2.0 is a long way off, in reality a lot of people have been using it for months (I know in my personal projects I've been coding in
Also worth noting is that in a recent TechEd04 video I watched the presenter points out that generics in Java are not as efficient as the
- JD
Sounds like a cheating underarm bowler if ever I heard one ;-)
I would also like to add your comment that at the moment NZs economy owns everyone elses for growth and stability. I've lived in NZ all my life but I am always impressed at how we do for our size :-)
:D That's classic :D
You people from Western New Zealand... never give up on a chance do ya.
Also as a Kiwi I have to say I love that photo of himself - very kiwi ("just built me a cruise missle in the backyard, yep" the overalls and gravel driveway really are a nice touch.
:D
I agree though - go bruce!
I live in NZ and the short answer is No.
We don't build anything like that - heck, it was a massive national debate because we brought 3 second hand frigates! The guy really does need more international exposure to get a job but I think if he didn't get the offers he wanted when it was on the news he ain't going to get them now.
He would seem from his webpage to really want to stay in NZ but that the government has tried to screw him so badly he has no choice but to leave to find someone who can employ him for what he's good at.
I am from NZ and there are no "big boys" here (largest NZ company is worth 4billion dollars, got our first billionaire last year as well - give some info on what the scale is here).
Maybe it's time to trade up the Altair? ;-)
- traskjd
In my opinion the "killer app" that not only 64bits systems, but linux in general needs to make any serious headway is business applications. Another person who replied touched on this with mention of RDMS.
What linux needs more of is actual business systems (Point of sale, finance tracking etc - for small to medium sized businesses). If you could run your point of sales system on linux the savings of several hundred dollars per system would be a major advantage. I mean it was the spreedsheet that really brought pushed PCs mainstream (you start using one at work, then you think you should probably have one at home... story goes on).
It's just an opinion - but I think we have more than enough text editors and windowing environments.
- traskjd
I see a lot of replies here which are attacking this guys idea in some way. This is stupid - at least he is doing more than most people are doing, and i think that is the key. To be successful you just need to adopt the attitude to "just get it done". Most people spend their lives going on about stuff without ever actually just doing it. So before telling him he is wrong or that his spelling is bad (it's Slashdot - I'm sure he writes better when it matters) how about a bit of positive re-enforcement.
Personally - good on you. I recently started a business myself in New Zealand. I'm developing the systems for the business now (software systems) and once complete I am looking forward to the challange of building the business. Best of luck.
I would like to point out that people might be starting to notice that New Zealand is quite a guttsy little country except, as a shareholder in Telecom New Zealand, I am sure I read in the reports they are owned (well, controlled) by some guy in Hong Kong or something.
As the person commenting about waking up about decent bandwidth - at least it appears telecom could be unbundled soon and we MIGHT finally see some decent action.
- traskjd