Please try to understand that crap was made back then, too. You've just never seen it.
I agree there was crap made back then, but the crap from the 50's is still far better quality wise than the crap of today.
Also, there just wasn't as much "stuff" back then anyways. My Dad's toys (like the viewmaster) still work from his childhood, but mine broke before I even grew up... we still have his old viewmaster...(from the 60's I think though), are you saying they had a "cheap" version of the viewmaster back then that we never saw cause they all broke?
I would be interested to know how much the original mixer cost, but I don't think it was the equvilant price, as then only a rich person would buy one... heh, if I ever find out I will come back to this post and paste it here for you.:)
I guess the reason I am skeptical and will never believe your arguments is because you don't have any examples of cheap 50's stuff. Just cause it isn't around now is hardly any proof that it existed in the past, in fact that's not proof at all...
Hamilton Beach still makes a sweet all-metal milkshake mixer available for sale right here.
Sorry, I didn't look at your link till after I posted. You have pointed it out very clearly here, the $219 machine that is supposed to be "quality" is a _commercial_ product, _not_ a consumer product.
Here's the current state of affairs in this regard.
This is how things were made back then, solid, he's asking $80+ for 50 year old kitchen appliance, now let's see how much the modern version is "worth"
Also, if you notice, that mixer end piece for the new one is plastic, where as the older one has 2 mixing end pieces (one part way up the shaft) and both are stainless steel.
Now you can say what you like about how expensive all the metal is and all that, but if everyone made them this way, then the price probably wouldn't be much different.
The point is, this is just how stuff was made back then. How stuff is made now is to be thrown away in a few years, yes you can buy quality, but back then you didn't have to pay a premium for it.
It costs $219. Pony up for quality, or quit whining about how nothing is built like it used to be.
I didn't buy a cheap one, I said I have a 50's one...
Where are the rest of your grandparents' kitchen appliances?
Now this is the point, show me a fan, refrigerator, etc... that is from the 70's or 80's that is still running as well as the one from the 50's. There is _definitely_ a change in quality.
Pony up for quality, or quit whining about how nothing is built like it used to be.
Perhaps this is where you missed the point, the stuff my grandparents' bought was the status quo. One grandma was rich, the other very poor, yet they both have equipment that is still running.
My parent's don't have a single appliance that is older than 6 years, besides the "really" old stuff. So, yes, stuff is made more crappy now. I gurantee you that you _did not_ have to $219 for a decent mixer in 50's, so you saying that you should have to pay that now for one just proves the point that high quality craftmanship is so rarely done that the supply level hasn't lowered it's price.
So the point is that _most_ things in 50's were built well, and so prices were decent for quality products as there was a thing called "pride in your work", now most things are built like trash.
Also, I have a 50's clothes washing machine, when it broke down (as all machines do, which you pointed out) we called a repair guy. We showed him our early 90's modelled washmachine and the 50's one and he said not to bother fixing the 90's model, fix the old one, it's a better machine.
. It's the pressure. Heck, a *helium* cylinder can kill you if mishandled.
On the discovery channel 12 years ago, they had a sherrif's department do a hydrogen safety experiment.
1. They took a can of gasoline (non-preasurized, but closed sealed lid) shot it with a high powered rifle (think automobile collision simulation) and the gas exploded violently into a huge ball of flame (like 9/11)
2. Then they took a can of preassurized hydrogen, shot it, a hole punctured in the can, a blue flame about a foot long shot out quietly with a 'plooonk' noise, burned up in a mild hiss, and then died out.
I've heard of a person sealing off their water heater and it over preasurized and blew the whole house up, but the preasure levels in a tank of hydrogen in a car would never get to that level of preasure, so that is a moot point.
Also, as mentioned before, the Hindinberg (sp?) was painted with flamable paint, this has been scientifically proven from a piece of fabric that was left over from the crash...fyi.
i wish they built things as well as they did back in 2003!
Not likely, I have a 50's standard hamilton beach milkshake mixer.
My 50's milkshake mixer - 1. Solid cast iron base (amazingly solid, heavy and stable) 2. Very thick sturdy stainless steel cup. 3. Heavy steel housing for motor at top.
Current Hamilton Beach milkshake mixer at Target (or walmart, etc...) made in 2003. 1. Plastic Base (ugh, might be cheap metal...) 2. Wimpy stainless steal cup, or plastic one. 3. Totaly cheap plastic housing for motor (puke)
More examples:
My Dad has my grandmother's 50's staitionary bike. It still runs great, wheighs 200 pounds and could survive a 100 drop onto concrete.
Grandma has 50's freezer and refridgerator, still works.
Dad has 50's house fan, still works, weighs 30 pounds, solid steel.
Modern day products are garbage compared to the quality of work from the 50s. In the 50's workers had pride in what they did. My house is from 1930 and is in great shape. My Wife's grandpa was a builder and did a great job of building my in-law's house in the 70's. He was a skilled craftsmen and didn't cheap out on his own son, yet the quality is not that great because of the building standards and style of that time period.
Grandpa: Hey sonny, how many lightbulbs does it take to screw in a... oh wait, how many politicians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Sonny: What's a lightbulb grandpa?
Grandpa: It's a disposable source of light that never lasts as long it's supposed to, burns up your money, fails on you at the worst of times and is the source of many "how many" jokes.
its more of a function of keeping the surface area of the 'legs' in proportion with the weight and balance of the rest of the body.
So if I wanted to design a water bug that could hold 15 people, a few coolers full of beer, a stereo system and a 90 hp outboard motor, then my bug would roughly have the displacement of a patoon boat...
Thanks for the info, I will certainly look these up...
The whole point of having Linux compatability with these applications is for the very purpose of _not_ needing windows...
Also even a bigger issue is that I make a software product that runs on a kiosk style system (thin computer with touch screen) that is being market tested by Johnson & Johnson right now. The application running on it is made with Director and I would love to have the kiosk be more stable than it is, by obviously using Linux instead of windows. (saving money in license fees is good too)
I am already running into the nightmare of using win2k for a our base OS, and some machines have started going out with winXP and there's problems, now people are asking if we should us Windows 2003! I haven't even seen it yet, I don't even think it's out, and I haven't even started to test this application on XP! ARRGH! I am going mad, see why I'd like Linux?
Anyways, if I still need Windows to run Win4Lin or VMware to make my Director application run, then I don't see how it's an advantage, enlighten me if I am not understanding how this works...
Excellent resource, thank you. There are problems of course -
Lot's of problems with Fireworks... http://appdb.winehq.com/appview.php? appId=665&vers ionId=885
I use Flash MX alot, but on windows no errors, I barely have enough time to get my work done, I can't be fixing Flash... http://appdb.winehq.com/appview.php?appI d=23&versi onId=1027
Director's experience seems encouraging, but my use of it is extremely complex and there are very few reviews... so who knows... http://appdb.winehq.com/appview.php?appI d=111&vers ionId=159
Dreamweaver seems to have issues as well.. http://appdb.winehq.com/appview.php?appId= 183&vers ionId=1054
It's great that companies like Ernie Ball can do a migration, and for pure business workings perhaps Linux is ready, but as a multimedia developer, It's only 50% there, the other 50% is making WINE work with the same level of stability as Windows.
If it can't be done, then moving to Linux would _not_ be a more stable platform for a multimedia developer, regardless of the system's core stability. This is all unfortunate as I am dieing to get on Linux and say goodbye to Windows forever...:(
While I do agree with you somewhat i think alot of the more common desktop design apps are going to be taken care of ala WINE.
As soon as Macromedia ports or supports Linux, I will no longer be a windows user, period. But I need these tools.
Can you run a Macromedia Director application in WINE? Will Director Xtras work under WINE? Has anyone tested this kind of thing?
There are just too many variables, at least window's crashing is predictable and avoidable, but if there is a general migration to WINE, how can you debug a system that you don't understand?
Will my ActiveX controls work inside of WINE? Or webcam drivers? etc...
I would love to switch over buty I can't afford to spend 30 hours experimenting with WINE only to discover that 3 win32 APIs that are crucial to my client's product aren't supported in WINE. Or that a couple of things in Flash and Fireworks won't work...
How do you deal with this kind of thing? This is major stumbling block of WINE for me. If someone wants to put up a site where a community can post testing data of applications runnig under WINE, and I see that there's 100 people using Director, Flash, Fireworks, Photoshop, etc... all running under WINE with little to no problems, then I would very easily dedicate a month to switching over...
Not until there is plenty of information/data to show that WINE works well with the apps that I need will I even bother considering a switch... If it's out there now, and I don't know about, please post a link.
Is a binary of the distro open? Who is to say that the binaries you download are compiled from the open source code you are looking at?
This is by far the biggest issue I find with open source from untrustworthy sources. Redhat, Debian, etc... fine, they have reputations to uphold, as far as I know the Chinese distros are all made by the same company and is funded by the Party in China...
Does any American (or Non-Chinese) trust a Chinese distro anymore than a Chinese trusts an American one? How would I ever know if they didn't add their own NSA style backdoor?
I'm not the paranoid type, but I certainly wouldn't want backdoors of anykind on my machine...
So, then, no one has ever donated their body to "science" after they died?
Do you know anyone that has killed someone else and donated _their_ body to science?
I would agree with you if it wasn't a seperate human being, and also, I doubt there is a single law anywhere that requires consent from the mother or father to donate the baby.
If that is the case, then there isn't much to argue about regarding science, but the parent post I was replying to made abortion look like an inevitable situation that was obviously wrong, but with the attitude of "who cares, let's make money off it", which in our past (the USA) did not have such a repugnant and dishonorable viewpoint.
Does this mean that any sufficient mix of carbon compounds, minerals, gases and water should be called a human ?
No, because there is no absolute direct relationship, as everything that is alive is carbon based. But not everything alive is a fetus. Only human beings ever come from a female human's uterus as a fetus.
Basically what you are trying to do is take the logic of a fetus===human to carbon&others===fetus===human, but that isn't true, because carbon&others does not 100% of the time === human, BUT a fetus DOES 100% of the === a human.
Btw, a baby has finger prints and a beating heart by 12 weeks.
Outlook Express is a completely different code base than Outlook.
One of the biggest fatest pains in the REAREND were trying to install Office after I had uninstalled Outlook Express.
Guess what? You can't reinstall outlook express, there is no installer for it that I could find (and there for sure won't be one in the future, maybe there was one and I couldn't find it)
SOOO, I had to reinstall Windows just so I could install Office. Now my memory is hazy on this, but I know for sure that Outlook will _not_ install if you have uninstalled OE, it says "Outlook needs OE to run, please reinstall OE before installing Outlook."
So the code base is shared... perhaps they are realizing how dumb this is now and will stop bungling...uh... I mean bundling their software together.
1. The domestic violence against women and young children is going to happen anyways, we might as well profit.
2. The killing of the Afganis is going to happen we might as well profit.
3. The destruction of the environment is going to happen we might as well profit.
It just doesn't make sense to throw away the stem cells when they have value.
1. Those oil fields are going to go to waste, we might as well make use of them.
2. The people's rights are being eroded anyways, we might as make use of the bad laws.
3. All those baby's wouldn't have lived to grow up into productive humans anyways, we might as well profit.
Please make sense of what you just said. Do a search online and find out how old a baby has to be before it can live outside of it's mother, and compare that with the current legal fetus age of abortion, the overlap is apalling, not to mention the obvious common sense that any sane person can see that a fetus is a baby person, not a parasite as many people would have you believe.
Consider that you were once a fetus, because you are older, and no longer inside a woman, does it make you any less human at any stage of your existance?
Then consider the aspect of you being killed right now, because the government says it's ok for companies to profit on your death.
A small history lesson, Nazi's did this. They killed people in experimentations to further science. They killed off thousands of mentally disabled people because they were a burden on society (are current euthanasia laws are going this way already in Oregon). The US is turning into a facist Nazi regim one step at a time and it's choices like abortion that are pushing us that way. The more we view human life as a worthless thing the closer we get to a modern day Nazi community.
The one thing that stands out in history that makes me cringe at our current state of social decay is that when the Americans entered Germany after winning world war II, they were so disgusted with the Nazi's methods of science that they disregarded their research, even though it may have benefited mankind.
The honor and dignity the US had back then is certainly gone today, as I am sure at least half the people reading on slashdot think that the killing of a baby is ok.
fetus === baby === human === life === everyone reading this
Killing a fetus === killing a human
Last I read killing a human is against the law, so all you have to do is say "a fetus isn't a human" then you can kill it.
If a fetus isn't a human, then point to any human alive or ever lived, and tell me if it was ever a fetus, then try and explain to me how a fetus is not a human.
The above cannot be explained away, because it is true, so abortion only is allowed based on a believed lie to our community.
Do you really believe that a fetus is not a person? If so, prove they are different and seperate things, I will certainly listen, so far I have not heard a good explaination.
I have broadband in both locations and the responsiveness of web-based e-mail conpared to desktop e-mail clients is negligible.
After clicking "compose" in Yahoo, just the refreshing of the page on my plenty highbandwidth cable connection is easily 10 times slower than the click of the "compose" button in Mozilla's mail client... how can these 2 be compared in speed?
Also the ease of use of such things as auto-finishing the email address (as I only type about 4 characters for each of every email address I send too) is easily 10 times faster if not more so than using the address book in Yahoo...
Just an aside, I've been using Netscape email client in Communicator since 98' (might be 99, I forget) I've never used Outlook Express or Outlook, and I've never, ever (not even one time) gotten a virus...
Also, yahoo can't force it's corporate spam down my throat with my pop3 account, unlike my anon Yahoo accounts, ugh...
Yahoo and Hotmail have a use for me and most other people, but faster or even close to as fast as a local email client, they are not.
He could be, but is he? The PATRIOT Act is worse for everyone in the long run, but the DMCA is causeing damage right now and this guy just side stepped a very real and dangerous issue.
Also, if you noticed one of the questioners is actually being sued under the DMCA, which at this point _is_ more upsetting than the PATRIOT Act. There is actually alot of influence and force out there going against the PATRIOT act, yet little to none in the general populace reguarding the DMCA.
In light of this, I think he didn't want to make a statement on the DMCA due to his own job restrictions and near impossibility of stating how anything good has ever come of it.
...although bribery is illegal, lobbyists most definitely do indeed influence legislation
But to claim that it is legalized bribery is totally ignorant. Complaints are much more effective when they are based on fact,
bribery
2. The act or practice of giving or taking bribes; the act of influencing the official or political action of another by corrupt inducements.
lobbying
To try to influence the thinking of legislators or other public officials for or against a specific cause.
The only difference between bribery and lobbying is one word, corrupt.
Does anyone in the general populace have any doubts about corruption in the government?
People here seem to think that bribery is legal and widespread, which is absolutely not true. Believe it or not, there are strict rules against members of Congress receiving gifts.
Furthermore, under current campaign finance rules, politicians can only accept donations of up to $2000 per person for their political campaigns.
Dean actually seems to be doing okay at it, since he has received about $100,000 in large individual contributions from employees of AOL Time-Warner.
Wake up and smell what you are shoveling, contradicting yourself in a matter of seconds does nothing to support your vaporous claims.
yes, but as with all people skilled in their jobs this guy just spun the whole slashdot crowd...
How easily people can be lulled by a slick talker. We can't verify anything non-factual this guy has said. We can't proove whether the opinions he's expressed are what he lives by.
Please keep in mind that the core nature of his job is to convince people (legislators/us) that what he is saying (tripe/filth/one sided stories/candy coated facts) is what we (legislators/us) really want to hear.
Why did he spend time to reply here?
1. To get us to agree with him on somethings
2. Then we feel all buddy buddy
3. Then he slips things past us.
4. ACHIEVE HIS GOALS.
What are his goals with replying to Slashdot?
1. Smooth over any "conspiracy theories" about how corporations pay for laws.
2. Convince us that there is no such thing as "back door" or "under the table" politics in regards to lobbying.
3. Make slashdot readers think that he's on our side. (ie, "THE PATRIOT ACT! THE PATRIOT ACT! AHHAH!, he almost had me on that one...)
4. Do his job by making other people want what his employer wants.
If you really think this guy gives a darn about any of the tech values mainly expressed by the little man, think again, he's bought and paid for my corporations.
I quote him here -
If you think the DMCA or the CDBTPA was a threat to your personal liberty, you would be outraged and disgusted by the recently passed anti-terrorism legislation, the PATRIOT Act.
Here's his pitch, he just spun the whole issue of how illegal the DMCA is. He didn't even answer the question!!
The best answer I know is: "Organizations have an expected level of influence on Washington."
What a crock! A corporation does NOT get to vote, why should they get any extra influence in congress?
You don't walk in, hand over a check and change a vote. Doesn't happen.
This is by far my most favorite line. It's like Al Capone, "I'm the good guy".
I have an uncle who is a State Senator, even at his level he has had people come in and dry and buy his influence.
Sorry Mr. Reed, you don't fool me. Maybe you don't do shady things with your lobbying, but other do, and if you don't think that is true, perhaps you aren't in the in crowd at DC.
And on a finishing note, I don't recall there being any laws or Ammendments that give corporations the right to lobby congress, perhaps people should be allowed to, but it seems that with the raw evidence, (ie DMCA was _not_ in the best intrests of the people) your arguments don't hold water that lobbying is anything other than paid influence (ie legal bribery) of our government.
It's the government of the people, by the people and for the people, NOT of the corporations, by the powerful and for those who can afford lobbyists like yourself.
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I agree there was crap made back then, but the crap from the 50's is still far better quality wise than the crap of today.
Also, there just wasn't as much "stuff" back then anyways. My Dad's toys (like the viewmaster) still work from his childhood, but mine broke before I even grew up... we still have his old viewmaster...(from the 60's I think though), are you saying they had a "cheap" version of the viewmaster back then that we never saw cause they all broke?
I would be interested to know how much the original mixer cost, but I don't think it was the equvilant price, as then only a rich person would buy one... heh, if I ever find out I will come back to this post and paste it here for you. :)
I guess the reason I am skeptical and will never believe your arguments is because you don't have any examples of cheap 50's stuff. Just cause it isn't around now is hardly any proof that it existed in the past, in fact that's not proof at all...
Sorry, I didn't look at your link till after I posted. You have pointed it out very clearly here, the $219 machine that is supposed to be "quality" is a _commercial_ product, _not_ a consumer product.
Here's the current state of affairs in this regard.
Old style drink mixer
With all the charm of the originals,
Something the one you linked to doesn't have, yet this one is almost all plastic, ugh.
Here's one similar to mine
This is how things were made back then, solid, he's asking $80+ for 50 year old kitchen appliance, now let's see how much the modern version is "worth"
only $8??
Also, if you notice, that mixer end piece for the new one is plastic, where as the older one has 2 mixing end pieces (one part way up the shaft) and both are stainless steel.
Now you can say what you like about how expensive all the metal is and all that, but if everyone made them this way, then the price probably wouldn't be much different.
The point is, this is just how stuff was made back then. How stuff is made now is to be thrown away in a few years, yes you can buy quality, but back then you didn't have to pay a premium for it.
I didn't buy a cheap one, I said I have a 50's one...
Where are the rest of your grandparents' kitchen appliances?
Now this is the point, show me a fan, refrigerator, etc... that is from the 70's or 80's that is still running as well as the one from the 50's. There is _definitely_ a change in quality.
Pony up for quality, or quit whining about how nothing is built like it used to be.
Perhaps this is where you missed the point, the stuff my grandparents' bought was the status quo. One grandma was rich, the other very poor, yet they both have equipment that is still running.
My parent's don't have a single appliance that is older than 6 years, besides the "really" old stuff. So, yes, stuff is made more crappy now. I gurantee you that you _did not_ have to $219 for a decent mixer in 50's, so you saying that you should have to pay that now for one just proves the point that high quality craftmanship is so rarely done that the supply level hasn't lowered it's price.
So the point is that _most_ things in 50's were built well, and so prices were decent for quality products as there was a thing called "pride in your work", now most things are built like trash.
Also, I have a 50's clothes washing machine, when it broke down (as all machines do, which you pointed out) we called a repair guy. We showed him our early 90's modelled washmachine and the 50's one and he said not to bother fixing the 90's model, fix the old one, it's a better machine.
On the discovery channel 12 years ago, they had a sherrif's department do a hydrogen safety experiment.
1. They took a can of gasoline (non-preasurized, but closed sealed lid) shot it with a high powered rifle (think automobile collision simulation) and the gas exploded violently into a huge ball of flame (like 9/11)
2. Then they took a can of preassurized hydrogen, shot it, a hole punctured in the can, a blue flame about a foot long shot out quietly with a 'plooonk' noise, burned up in a mild hiss, and then died out.
I've heard of a person sealing off their water heater and it over preasurized and blew the whole house up, but the preasure levels in a tank of hydrogen in a car would never get to that level of preasure, so that is a moot point.
Also, as mentioned before, the Hindinberg (sp?) was painted with flamable paint, this has been scientifically proven from a piece of fabric that was left over from the crash...fyi.
Not likely, I have a 50's standard hamilton beach milkshake mixer.
My 50's milkshake mixer -
1. Solid cast iron base (amazingly solid, heavy and stable)
2. Very thick sturdy stainless steel cup.
3. Heavy steel housing for motor at top.
Current Hamilton Beach milkshake mixer at Target (or walmart, etc...) made in 2003.
1. Plastic Base (ugh, might be cheap metal...)
2. Wimpy stainless steal cup, or plastic one.
3. Totaly cheap plastic housing for motor (puke)
More examples:
My Dad has my grandmother's 50's staitionary bike. It still runs great, wheighs 200 pounds and could survive a 100 drop onto concrete.
Grandma has 50's freezer and refridgerator, still works.
Dad has 50's house fan, still works, weighs 30 pounds, solid steel.
Modern day products are garbage compared to the quality of work from the 50s. In the 50's workers had pride in what they did. My house is from 1930 and is in great shape. My Wife's grandpa was a builder and did a great job of building my in-law's house in the 70's. He was a skilled craftsmen and didn't cheap out on his own son, yet the quality is not that great because of the building standards and style of that time period.
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Too bad flourescents emit harmful radiation. There are people with certain diseases that can't have flourecent lights...
I'd hate to get one of those diseases just to save money one way, when a different way wouldn't give me a disease... something worth considering.
year 2045
Grandpa: Hey sonny, how many lightbulbs does it take to screw in a... oh wait, how many politicians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Sonny: What's a lightbulb grandpa?
Grandpa: It's a disposable source of light that never lasts as long it's supposed to, burns up your money, fails on you at the worst of times and is the source of many "how many" jokes.
Sonny: Then what's a politician?
So if I wanted to design a water bug that could hold 15 people, a few coolers full of beer, a stereo system and a 90 hp outboard motor, then my bug would roughly have the displacement of a patoon boat...
Why not just make a boat?
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Thanks for the info, I will certainly look these up...
The whole point of having Linux compatability with these applications is for the very purpose of _not_ needing windows...
Also even a bigger issue is that I make a software product that runs on a kiosk style system (thin computer with touch screen) that is being market tested by Johnson & Johnson right now. The application running on it is made with Director and I would love to have the kiosk be more stable than it is, by obviously using Linux instead of windows. (saving money in license fees is good too)
I am already running into the nightmare of using win2k for a our base OS, and some machines have started going out with winXP and there's problems, now people are asking if we should us Windows 2003! I haven't even seen it yet, I don't even think it's out, and I haven't even started to test this application on XP! ARRGH! I am going mad, see why I'd like Linux?
Anyways, if I still need Windows to run Win4Lin or VMware to make my Director application run, then I don't see how it's an advantage, enlighten me if I am not understanding how this works...
Excellent resource, thank you. There are problems of course -
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Lot's of problems with Fireworks...
http://appdb.winehq.com/appview.php
I use Flash MX alot, but on windows no errors, I barely have enough time to get my work done, I can't be fixing Flash...
http://appdb.winehq.com/appview.php?app
Director's experience seems encouraging, but my use of it is extremely complex and there are very few reviews... so who knows...
http://appdb.winehq.com/appview.php?app
Dreamweaver seems to have issues as well..
http://appdb.winehq.com/appview.php?appId
It's great that companies like Ernie Ball can do a migration, and for pure business workings perhaps Linux is ready, but as a multimedia developer, It's only 50% there, the other 50% is making WINE work with the same level of stability as Windows.
If it can't be done, then moving to Linux would _not_ be a more stable platform for a multimedia developer, regardless of the system's core stability. This is all unfortunate as I am dieing to get on Linux and say goodbye to Windows forever...
As soon as Macromedia ports or supports Linux, I will no longer be a windows user, period. But I need these tools.
Can you run a Macromedia Director application in WINE? Will Director Xtras work under WINE? Has anyone tested this kind of thing?
There are just too many variables, at least window's crashing is predictable and avoidable, but if there is a general migration to WINE, how can you debug a system that you don't understand?
Will my ActiveX controls work inside of WINE? Or webcam drivers? etc...
I would love to switch over buty I can't afford to spend 30 hours experimenting with WINE only to discover that 3 win32 APIs that are crucial to my client's product aren't supported in WINE. Or that a couple of things in Flash and Fireworks won't work...
How do you deal with this kind of thing? This is major stumbling block of WINE for me. If someone wants to put up a site where a community can post testing data of applications runnig under WINE, and I see that there's 100 people using Director, Flash, Fireworks, Photoshop, etc... all running under WINE with little to no problems, then I would very easily dedicate a month to switching over...
Not until there is plenty of information/data to show that WINE works well with the apps that I need will I even bother considering a switch... If it's out there now, and I don't know about, please post a link.
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Is a binary of the distro open? Who is to say that the binaries you download are compiled from the open source code you are looking at?
This is by far the biggest issue I find with open source from untrustworthy sources. Redhat, Debian, etc... fine, they have reputations to uphold, as far as I know the Chinese distros are all made by the same company and is funded by the Party in China...
Does any American (or Non-Chinese) trust a Chinese distro anymore than a Chinese trusts an American one? How would I ever know if they didn't add their own NSA style backdoor?
I'm not the paranoid type, but I certainly wouldn't want backdoors of anykind on my machine...
If you want to reword your argument in a comprehensible fashion, then I will reply...
Do you know anyone that has killed someone else and donated _their_ body to science?
I would agree with you if it wasn't a seperate human being, and also, I doubt there is a single law anywhere that requires consent from the mother or father to donate the baby.
If that is the case, then there isn't much to argue about regarding science, but the parent post I was replying to made abortion look like an inevitable situation that was obviously wrong, but with the attitude of "who cares, let's make money off it", which in our past (the USA) did not have such a repugnant and dishonorable viewpoint.
No, because there is no absolute direct relationship, as everything that is alive is carbon based. But not everything alive is a fetus. Only human beings ever come from a female human's uterus as a fetus.
Basically what you are trying to do is take the logic of a fetus===human to carbon&others===fetus===human, but that isn't true, because carbon&others does not 100% of the time === human, BUT a fetus DOES 100% of the === a human.
Btw, a baby has finger prints and a beating heart by 12 weeks.
One of the biggest fatest pains in the REAREND were trying to install Office after I had uninstalled Outlook Express.
Guess what? You can't reinstall outlook express, there is no installer for it that I could find (and there for sure won't be one in the future, maybe there was one and I couldn't find it)
SOOO, I had to reinstall Windows just so I could install Office. Now my memory is hazy on this, but I know for sure that Outlook will _not_ install if you have uninstalled OE, it says "Outlook needs OE to run, please reinstall OE before installing Outlook."
So the code base is shared... perhaps they are realizing how dumb this is now and will stop bungling...uh... I mean bundling their software together.
1. The domestic violence against women and young children is going to happen anyways, we might as well profit.
2. The killing of the Afganis is going to happen we might as well profit.
3. The destruction of the environment is going to happen we might as well profit.
It just doesn't make sense to throw away the stem cells when they have value.
1. Those oil fields are going to go to waste, we might as well make use of them.
2. The people's rights are being eroded anyways, we might as make use of the bad laws.
3. All those baby's wouldn't have lived to grow up into productive humans anyways, we might as well profit.
Please make sense of what you just said. Do a search online and find out how old a baby has to be before it can live outside of it's mother, and compare that with the current legal fetus age of abortion, the overlap is apalling, not to mention the obvious common sense that any sane person can see that a fetus is a baby person, not a parasite as many people would have you believe.
Consider that you were once a fetus, because you are older, and no longer inside a woman, does it make you any less human at any stage of your existance?
Then consider the aspect of you being killed right now, because the government says it's ok for companies to profit on your death.
A small history lesson, Nazi's did this. They killed people in experimentations to further science. They killed off thousands of mentally disabled people because they were a burden on society (are current euthanasia laws are going this way already in Oregon). The US is turning into a facist Nazi regim one step at a time and it's choices like abortion that are pushing us that way. The more we view human life as a worthless thing the closer we get to a modern day Nazi community.
The one thing that stands out in history that makes me cringe at our current state of social decay is that when the Americans entered Germany after winning world war II, they were so disgusted with the Nazi's methods of science that they disregarded their research, even though it may have benefited mankind.
The honor and dignity the US had back then is certainly gone today, as I am sure at least half the people reading on slashdot think that the killing of a baby is ok.
fetus === baby === human === life === everyone reading this
Killing a fetus === killing a human
Last I read killing a human is against the law, so all you have to do is say "a fetus isn't a human" then you can kill it.
If a fetus isn't a human, then point to any human alive or ever lived, and tell me if it was ever a fetus, then try and explain to me how a fetus is not a human.
The above cannot be explained away, because it is true, so abortion only is allowed based on a believed lie to our community.
Do you really believe that a fetus is not a person? If so, prove they are different and seperate things, I will certainly listen, so far I have not heard a good explaination.
After clicking "compose" in Yahoo, just the refreshing of the page on my plenty highbandwidth cable connection is easily 10 times slower than the click of the "compose" button in Mozilla's mail client... how can these 2 be compared in speed?
Also the ease of use of such things as auto-finishing the email address (as I only type about 4 characters for each of every email address I send too) is easily 10 times faster if not more so than using the address book in Yahoo...
Just an aside, I've been using Netscape email client in Communicator since 98' (might be 99, I forget) I've never used Outlook Express or Outlook, and I've never, ever (not even one time) gotten a virus...
Also, yahoo can't force it's corporate spam down my throat with my pop3 account, unlike my anon Yahoo accounts, ugh...
Yahoo and Hotmail have a use for me and most other people, but faster or even close to as fast as a local email client, they are not.
I had a generic mouse over 5 years ago that did this and much more, this isn't news at all...
He could be, but is he? The PATRIOT Act is worse for everyone in the long run, but the DMCA is causeing damage right now and this guy just side stepped a very real and dangerous issue.
Also, if you noticed one of the questioners is actually being sued under the DMCA, which at this point _is_ more upsetting than the PATRIOT Act. There is actually alot of influence and force out there going against the PATRIOT act, yet little to none in the general populace reguarding the DMCA.
In light of this, I think he didn't want to make a statement on the DMCA due to his own job restrictions and near impossibility of stating how anything good has ever come of it.
2. The act or practice of giving or taking bribes; the act of influencing the official or political action of another by corrupt inducements.
lobbying
To try to influence the thinking of legislators or other public officials for or against a specific cause.
The only difference between bribery and lobbying is one word, corrupt.
Does anyone in the general populace have any doubts about corruption in the government?
Wake up and smell what you are shoveling, contradicting yourself in a matter of seconds does nothing to support your vaporous claims.
How easily people can be lulled by a slick talker. We can't verify anything non-factual this guy has said. We can't proove whether the opinions he's expressed are what he lives by.
Please keep in mind that the core nature of his job is to convince people (legislators/us) that what he is saying (tripe/filth/one sided stories/candy coated facts) is what we (legislators/us) really want to hear.
Why did he spend time to reply here?
1. To get us to agree with him on somethings
2. Then we feel all buddy buddy
3. Then he slips things past us.
4. ACHIEVE HIS GOALS.
What are his goals with replying to Slashdot?
1. Smooth over any "conspiracy theories" about how corporations pay for laws.
2. Convince us that there is no such thing as "back door" or "under the table" politics in regards to lobbying.
3. Make slashdot readers think that he's on our side. (ie, "THE PATRIOT ACT! THE PATRIOT ACT! AHHAH!, he almost had me on that one...)
4. Do his job by making other people want what his employer wants.
If you really think this guy gives a darn about any of the tech values mainly expressed by the little man, think again, he's bought and paid for my corporations.
I quote him here -
If you think the DMCA or the CDBTPA was a threat to your personal liberty, you would be outraged and disgusted by the recently passed anti-terrorism legislation, the PATRIOT Act.
Here's his pitch, he just spun the whole issue of how illegal the DMCA is. He didn't even answer the question!!
The best answer I know is: "Organizations have an expected level of influence on Washington."
What a crock! A corporation does NOT get to vote, why should they get any extra influence in congress?
You don't walk in, hand over a check and change a vote. Doesn't happen.
This is by far my most favorite line. It's like Al Capone, "I'm the good guy".
I have an uncle who is a State Senator, even at his level he has had people come in and dry and buy his influence.
Sorry Mr. Reed, you don't fool me. Maybe you don't do shady things with your lobbying, but other do, and if you don't think that is true, perhaps you aren't in the in crowd at DC.
And on a finishing note, I don't recall there being any laws or Ammendments that give corporations the right to lobby congress, perhaps people should be allowed to, but it seems that with the raw evidence, (ie DMCA was _not_ in the best intrests of the people) your arguments don't hold water that lobbying is anything other than paid influence (ie legal bribery) of our government.
It's the government of the people, by the people and for the people, NOT of the corporations, by the powerful and for those who can afford lobbyists like yourself.