The analysis is done client-side. It just sends "Unidentifiable people talking." or "24 is playing on the TV."
But... what is the benefit to the user? It seems that Google is getting some useful data...with user just getting more ads in return. Why should the user accept this? (even if it is working perfectly, and is perfectly anonymous)?
Oh, nobody said you'll be forced. They'll just make it a feature in their toolbar (or something), maybe even set the default to "off" just to be nice. Or hide the feature completely. (how do you know your microphone isn't capturing 12ms of audio, encodes it, and then leaks that into to some site?).
What they will likely do is bundle the "on by default" toolbar with Dells (or other new boxes). Folks would click through some agreements when they get their new box, and -millions- of folks won't even realize they got this thing on... (even if it's announced to them in their EULA) and no, spyware software won't detect google toolbar as spyware (since it's a feature that can be disabled, is documented, etc.,---except millions of folks won't care to (or know about) disable it).
Google doesn't really care about -individuals- in this. What they're likely looking for is sampling a few million samples, and seeing if there are correlations (like... everyone is watching the same TV show at primetime)... they'd get a lot more accurate ratings statistics than most TV advertisers---which considering they've expressed their interest in moving to TV ads isn't surprising.
Not only that, but doesn't the lawyer who transfered the ownership gets nearly all the blame (they can't just transfer a home without being a little liable that they're transfering it to the wrong person).
...or they could just monitor all IP addresses passing through their gate, and then reduce speed (ignoring ports/data) to the top 30%. Chances are, the top 30% bandwidth users will be torrent users (or some other high traffic users that (by their reasoning) `deserves' to be slowed down). They could even do steps... like reduce speed to 10% for the top 10% of bandwidth hogs... reduce speed to 20% for the top 20%, etc., so someone in the bottom 10% of bandwidth usage will get full speed...
And it doesn't require much to set this up. Gather statistics all the time, and update the throttling tables every few hours.
Have you ever tried to get Oracle running on anything but Red Hat?
I tried. It didn't work. Couldn't even get past the installation process (following numerous guides online). After a few days of this, we went out and got a license for RedHat AS. Everything installed without -any- issues.
Yes, I take your point about distributions being different, but I think it's really Oracle's (and RedHat's) fault for making it that way---all in the name of business.
...but but but... they're so cute. The server may not be fast (nor cheap)---in fact, it may not even work at all---but it will be the cutest server in the whole datacenter (the one and only reason why people like Apple).
I think that's fine for whatever it is going to be used for:
They read the data from the passport (an id, hash, etc.) then go into some central DB, lookup your record (with info, picture, etc.). Compare that picture to the actual paper passport. Look at the holder of the passport, compare them to the picture, maybe ask a question about the data in the passport (what's your DOB?).
I don't see how copying the passport will go around this. I doubt these things are designed to be temper proof---'cause that's not their purpose. (anyone can microwave them... which will single out that person to go through a more rigorous check---manually typing in the passport id into the system to retrieve that record, with a `search for drugs' for good meature, etc.)
Unless someone figures out a way to plant false data into that central DB somewhere... and manufacture false passwords that link back to that false data...
I think the point that was missed is that if someone wanted to do something really bad in the US, they wouldn't use illegal ways of getting here.
They are gonna strap these guys down as soon as they get through the doors and feed them "the koolaid", and they will never be the same again. Pity, they were part of an interesting project. Bye bye.
What -would- happen if MS offered them a $500k a year job to work on IE?... with a condition not to work on Firefox anymore.
...the advantage goes to the one with better algorithm
I was thinking about this a lot. Basically, if someone made a perfect stock trading program (imagination-land), and then sold it to -everyone-, how would it work?
Ignoring that it would be a chaotic feedback loop, in the best of cases, it would still make money for -everyone-, but at the rate that's highly correlated with the overall economic growth. Imagine a completely efficient market (where if you buy stock at $20, you -know- it's worth $20 on that day---of course, that's sorta ignores the future the corp may choose, but I'd imagine we can statistically model that too).
Don't forget that computer models don't just use `stock price patterns', they also use things like company financial statements, planned projects (often disclosed in financial statements), expenses, etc., as well as google...
Across all that data, there are patterns... (heh, that's my PhD research topic!) they may only give you a slight advantage over everyone else, but I bet that's the point... to have a slight advantage to beat the market average return. If your prediction of the market is just a bit more accurate than some other guy... you're in the money (statistically speaking---if you use your strategy for a while, you'll beat the market).
I don't think anyone is saying they'll make a Warren Buffet computer model... just something that's better than an average investor.
Nobody has to actually mine the moon for valuables to have'em become dirt cheap down here on earth.
The very prospect that the moon -could- be mined will make futures prices on valuables go down, and make'em less valuable here on earth---without ever even sending stuff up there.
Imagine if they find 10x as much gold there as was ever mined on earth... without any mining there on the moon, the price of gold would drop.
Well, they -could- release it for free. In fact, with MS looking to copy Google's success, they may just release all of their software for free, and try to market ms-adwords.
Office (and Operating Systems) are becoming more and more irrelevant every day---Microsoft would be pretty clever if they realized this, and just gave it away to maintain market share (and come up with some other means to make money). Maybe not business level stuff, but for consumer level stuff.
It's a shame ideas have to be POSSIBLE (unlike yours) to be worth anything...
I have no idea how someone would -achieve- my idea (I'm no chip designer), but how is it impossible?
I don't see any major physical/conceptual constraint that prevents the CPU from having a dozen or so cores, each one faster (and possibly more complex, or simpler, or whatever) than the first by some factor... When the Nth core goes to 100% usage, (N+1)th core starts up to ease the load, so on and so forth until it hits the max number of cores.
What I'd really like is asymetric cores... something like a really power efficient simple 1Mhz core, but when needed, a more powerful 2Mhz core steps in... then a 4Mhz core, then 8Mhz core... The box can have like 32 cores, each one 2x as fast as the last... (oh, I wish!) while 99.9% of the time, you're only using the simple 1Mhz one (ie: how much cpu power does it really take to update the clock?).
(it doesn't have to start at 1Mhz... it could start at 100Mhz, jump to 500Mhz 2nd core... 1Ghz 3rd core... and 2Ghz 4th core---so an idle CPU would use very little power).
Besides, most of the time, you won't use the cores equally anyway. You'll likely run 1 "heavy" app (some game), and a few very light ones.
Some things are worth fighting for. Most things are not. Are YOU willing to die (or have your children die) for an oil field in Iraq? Sure, it's nice when it's someone else that does the dying, but how far are YOU personally willing to go to have slightly cheaper driving?
Military feeds on war. No war, no funding. They -do- find causes to fight for when there are none.
The fact is that most pro-war folks (and nearly all politicians) aren't the ones doing the fighting themselves, if they were, they'd be the -first- pacifists. In fact, ask how many senators have THEIR kids in the army in harms way... I'd imagine very few.
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Actually, I found it funny. But that was ten years ago when I heard it the first time.
Congratulations for missing The Simpsons reference.
...only one in a million would find that funny.
The analysis is done client-side. It just sends "Unidentifiable people talking." or "24 is playing on the TV."
But... what is the benefit to the user? It seems that Google is getting some useful data...with user just getting more ads in return. Why should the user accept this? (even if it is working perfectly, and is perfectly anonymous)?
...no one is forced to use anything they provide.
Oh, nobody said you'll be forced. They'll just make it a feature in their toolbar (or something), maybe even set the default to "off" just to be nice. Or hide the feature completely. (how do you know your microphone isn't capturing 12ms of audio, encodes it, and then leaks that into to some site?).
What they will likely do is bundle the "on by default" toolbar with Dells (or other new boxes). Folks would click through some agreements when they get their new box, and -millions- of folks won't even realize they got this thing on... (even if it's announced to them in their EULA) and no, spyware software won't detect google toolbar as spyware (since it's a feature that can be disabled, is documented, etc.,---except millions of folks won't care to (or know about) disable it).
Google doesn't really care about -individuals- in this. What they're likely looking for is sampling a few million samples, and seeing if there are correlations (like... everyone is watching the same TV show at primetime)... they'd get a lot more accurate ratings statistics than most TV advertisers---which considering they've expressed their interest in moving to TV ads isn't surprising.
Apparently not in Canada ;-/
Not only that, but doesn't the lawyer who transfered the ownership gets nearly all the blame (they can't just transfer a home without being a little liable that they're transfering it to the wrong person).
...or they could just monitor all IP addresses passing through their gate, and then reduce speed (ignoring ports/data) to the top 30%. Chances are, the top 30% bandwidth users will be torrent users (or some other high traffic users that (by their reasoning) `deserves' to be slowed down). They could even do steps... like reduce speed to 10% for the top 10% of bandwidth hogs... reduce speed to 20% for the top 20%, etc., so someone in the bottom 10% of bandwidth usage will get full speed...
And it doesn't require much to set this up. Gather statistics all the time, and update the throttling tables every few hours.
Have you ever tried to get Oracle running on anything but Red Hat?
I tried. It didn't work. Couldn't even get past the installation process (following numerous guides online). After a few days of this, we went out and got a license for RedHat AS. Everything installed without -any- issues.
Yes, I take your point about distributions being different, but I think it's really Oracle's (and RedHat's) fault for making it that way---all in the name of business.
...but but but... they're so cute. The server may not be fast (nor cheap)---in fact, it may not even work at all---but it will be the cutest server in the whole datacenter (the one and only reason why people like Apple).
Ironically, DRM on such a large scale was often joked at but never taken seriously...
To completely -prevent- something on x386 Windows PC solely due to DRM??? Wow.
Wait a few years, and you won't be able to run unsigned operating system (nor non-validated software: whatever that may mean) on your hardware.
...data in the chips is easy to copy.
I think that's fine for whatever it is going to be used for:
They read the data from the passport (an id, hash, etc.) then go into some central DB, lookup your record (with info, picture, etc.). Compare that picture to the actual paper passport. Look at the holder of the passport, compare them to the picture, maybe ask a question about the data in the passport (what's your DOB?).
I don't see how copying the passport will go around this. I doubt these things are designed to be temper proof---'cause that's not their purpose. (anyone can microwave them... which will single out that person to go through a more rigorous check---manually typing in the passport id into the system to retrieve that record, with a `search for drugs' for good meature, etc.)
Unless someone figures out a way to plant false data into that central DB somewhere... and manufacture false passwords that link back to that false data...
I think the point that was missed is that if someone wanted to do something really bad in the US, they wouldn't use illegal ways of getting here.
They are gonna strap these guys down as soon as they get through the doors and feed them "the koolaid", and they will never be the same again. Pity, they were part of an interesting project. Bye bye.
What -would- happen if MS offered them a $500k a year job to work on IE?... with a condition not to work on Firefox anymore.
...the advantage goes to the one with better algorithm
I was thinking about this a lot. Basically, if someone made a perfect stock trading program (imagination-land), and then sold it to -everyone-, how would it work?
Ignoring that it would be a chaotic feedback loop, in the best of cases, it would still make money for -everyone-, but at the rate that's highly correlated with the overall economic growth. Imagine a completely efficient market (where if you buy stock at $20, you -know- it's worth $20 on that day---of course, that's sorta ignores the future the corp may choose, but I'd imagine we can statistically model that too).
...where to find the data set to work with?
Look for August 21st, 2006 post on my blog @theparticle.com. There's a TON of data out there... just gotta look for it.
Don't forget that computer models don't just use `stock price patterns', they also use things like company financial statements, planned projects (often disclosed in financial statements), expenses, etc., as well as google...
Across all that data, there are patterns... (heh, that's my PhD research topic!) they may only give you a slight advantage over everyone else, but I bet that's the point... to have a slight advantage to beat the market average return. If your prediction of the market is just a bit more accurate than some other guy... you're in the money (statistically speaking---if you use your strategy for a while, you'll beat the market).
I don't think anyone is saying they'll make a Warren Buffet computer model... just something that's better than an average investor.
...patent for that machine would expire 20 years from its filing date and would then become public domain
Yeah, just like Disney's copyrights!
Nobody has to actually mine the moon for valuables to have'em become dirt cheap down here on earth.
The very prospect that the moon -could- be mined will make futures prices on valuables go down, and make'em less valuable here on earth---without ever even sending stuff up there.
Imagine if they find 10x as much gold there as was ever mined on earth... without any mining there on the moon, the price of gold would drop.
Well, they -could- release it for free. In fact, with MS looking to copy Google's success, they may just release all of their software for free, and try to market ms-adwords.
Office (and Operating Systems) are becoming more and more irrelevant every day---Microsoft would be pretty clever if they realized this, and just gave it away to maintain market share (and come up with some other means to make money). Maybe not business level stuff, but for consumer level stuff.
In Korea, only old people harass others.
Thank you!
It's a shame ideas have to be POSSIBLE (unlike yours) to be worth anything...
I have no idea how someone would -achieve- my idea (I'm no chip designer), but how is it impossible?
I don't see any major physical/conceptual constraint that prevents the CPU from having a dozen or so cores, each one faster (and possibly more complex, or simpler, or whatever) than the first by some factor... When the Nth core goes to 100% usage, (N+1)th core starts up to ease the load, so on and so forth until it hits the max number of cores.
...it's a standards body that's completely out of touch with developers and users.
Don't forget the ambiguity of some of these standards.
What I'd really like is asymetric cores... something like a really power efficient simple 1Mhz core, but when needed, a more powerful 2Mhz core steps in... then a 4Mhz core, then 8Mhz core... The box can have like 32 cores, each one 2x as fast as the last... (oh, I wish!) while 99.9% of the time, you're only using the simple 1Mhz one (ie: how much cpu power does it really take to update the clock?).
(it doesn't have to start at 1Mhz... it could start at 100Mhz, jump to 500Mhz 2nd core... 1Ghz 3rd core... and 2Ghz 4th core---so an idle CPU would use very little power).
Besides, most of the time, you won't use the cores equally anyway. You'll likely run 1 "heavy" app (some game), and a few very light ones.
Pure pacifism pisses me off.
Some things are worth fighting for. Most things are not. Are YOU willing to die (or have your children die) for an oil field in Iraq? Sure, it's nice when it's someone else that does the dying, but how far are YOU personally willing to go to have slightly cheaper driving?
Military feeds on war. No war, no funding. They -do- find causes to fight for when there are none.
The fact is that most pro-war folks (and nearly all politicians) aren't the ones doing the fighting themselves, if they were, they'd be the -first- pacifists. In fact, ask how many senators have THEIR kids in the army in harms way... I'd imagine very few.
using the term Google generically (not referring to Google itself) ...like googling the internet using Yahoo? :-D
Hey, maybe you can google for it here?