"This kind of foolishness is not harmless. It teaches our children to accept things, not on the basis of their own critical thinking, but simply on the word of someone in authority."
You mean the kind of thinking where no one questions evolution and we just accept it? which side are you arguing here, yours or mine?
The goal of the school board is to DE-EPHASIZE evolution. Not to teach ID.
"Do you think teaching students a blatant lie that there is some conflict going on, is appropriate?"
you mean like telling people the world is flat? Popular opinion does not a fact make.
"Look, the ID advocates have already pretty much stopped trying to hawk their pseudo-scientific argument from incredulity directly."
I know some that would disagree. And do we really have to start the name calling? Just because we're talking about the Kansas school system doesn't mean we have to act like we're in it.
That's ridiculous, your saying believing in the bible and having new ideas/inventions/research are mutually exclusive?
I'd better tell my boss now before I try to finish my design work. He wouldn't like that much.
Take a step back and view it from the other side. If you think today that scientists are free to discover truth with no agenda, you should watch this board of education trial closely. Many scientists that question evolution are quickly outcast by the bigots in their field.
Also, the churches are voicing their political opinions because that is their right as citizens. Should they be required to keep quiet once they have faith?
"Someone could [as ID proponents do] take existing "pure" scienctific research, use it to posit that there is order to the universe and use inductive reasoning [logical argument] to "prove" that a supreme being exists."
As opposed to say, using "pure" scientific research to "prove" evolution?
The goal of (some of) the Kansas Board of education is to DE-EMPHASIZE the teaching of evolution. Not emphasize ID, or any other biases. I personally don't have a problem with that. Teach the scientific process; teach them the skills they need to do research; teach them how to think on their own.
The attitude from the pro-evolution side so far has been "we don't want to discuss it, and we can't believe you want to hold a debate about it". That attitude sounds to me like the "fundamentalists" that thought the world was flat.
My company doesn't even own their own building anymore. They sold it to a "holding company" so we don't have any assets.
My understanding is that if we have no assets, we are protected from having them seized in the event we get sued. we lease our computers (and monitors seperatly) too. although we could buy a new one every 6 months for the cost of leasing. That never has made much sense to me.
I pass it off to having one of the presidents wives/brothers owning the leasing company, or something like that.
Im no rocket scientist, but I've always wondered why we can't just equip every satellite with enough equipment to shoot themselves toward jupiter (or wherever) when they become obsolete. Why do we have to keep bringing this crap back down to earth again?
If I were trying to think of creative things to tax, I would propose an additional tax on Food. It would probably do us Fatties in the USA some good anyway.
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OK, but your anti-religion preaching has no place in schools either. What exactly is your proposal for a "cure"?
"fundies" are trying to prevent paying for EMBRYONIC stem cell research because they don't want to be forced to pay to have babies killed.
They are not trying to "block research on stem cells". another example of the kind of skew you can put on a situation.
It would be like forcing you to pay for a statue of you with your pants down at city hall, or something offensive of that nature.
Honest question here: How exactly does de-emphasizing teaching evolution destroy the education of biologists?
By the way, my bible says the earth is round.
Oh and as a counter to your "EVOLUTIONISTS ARE RIGHT" argument: No, I'm right and you're wrong. great argument, huh?
And I'm still not sure why fertility treatments are dependent on evolution. But, I certainly didn't need it anyway.
"This kind of foolishness is not harmless. It teaches our children to accept things, not on the basis of their own critical thinking, but simply on the word of someone in authority."
You mean the kind of thinking where no one questions evolution and we just accept it? which side are you arguing here, yours or mine?
The goal of the school board is to DE-EPHASIZE evolution. Not to teach ID.
"Can you name more than a handful of actual practicing scientists in biology or genetics"
c ientists.html
here is an entire organization of them: http://www.icr.org/creationscientists/biologicals
"Do you think teaching students a blatant lie that there is some conflict going on, is appropriate?"
you mean like telling people the world is flat? Popular opinion does not a fact make.
"Look, the ID advocates have already pretty much stopped trying to hawk their pseudo-scientific argument from incredulity directly."
I know some that would disagree. And do we really have to start the name calling? Just because we're talking about the Kansas school system doesn't mean we have to act like we're in it.
who said anything about letting religion run society. I just want my government give me the freedom to practice whatever religion I have.
That's ridiculous, your saying believing in the bible and having new ideas/inventions/research are mutually exclusive?
I'd better tell my boss now before I try to finish my design work. He wouldn't like that much.
Take a step back and view it from the other side. If you think today that scientists are free to discover truth with no agenda, you should watch this board of education trial closely. Many scientists that question evolution are quickly outcast by the bigots in their field.
Also, the churches are voicing their political opinions because that is their right as citizens. Should they be required to keep quiet once they have faith?
"Someone could [as ID proponents do] take existing "pure" scienctific research, use it to posit that there is order to the universe and use inductive reasoning [logical argument] to "prove" that a supreme being exists."
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As opposed to say, using "pure" scientific research to "prove" evolution?
The goal of (some of) the Kansas Board of education is to DE-EMPHASIZE the teaching of evolution. Not emphasize ID, or any other biases. I personally don't have a problem with that. Teach the scientific process; teach them the skills they need to do research; teach them how to think on their own.
The attitude from the pro-evolution side so far has been "we don't want to discuss it, and we can't believe you want to hold a debate about it". That attitude sounds to me like the "fundamentalists" that thought the world was flat.
evidenced here: http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/bre
You speak as if that is a bad thing?
Sincerely,
-a resident of Olathe
(one of the fastest growing populations in the nation)
Yes, and birds can fly. Oh my God, what was HE thinking not giving us the best of EVERYTHING?
My company doesn't even own their own building anymore. They sold it to a "holding company" so we don't have any assets.
My understanding is that if we have no assets, we are protected from having them seized in the event we get sued. we lease our computers (and monitors seperatly) too. although we could buy a new one every 6 months for the cost of leasing. That never has made much sense to me.
I pass it off to having one of the presidents wives/brothers owning the leasing company, or something like that.
By "city wide", I think they mean:
The whole city is footing the bill.
Sounds about right...
Neither one can beat their competition.
RJ-6?
Is that half the size of an RJ-11 phone jack?
Then do you back up your Mp3s to 8-track, then back to a WAV file, then back to a cassette tape after that?
I bet those music tracks sound AWESOME, especially since they started off lossy to begin with.
That depends, do we factor in the time you waste surfing slashdot, instead of making cables?
Get back to work.
Im no rocket scientist, but I've always wondered why we can't just equip every satellite with enough equipment to shoot themselves toward jupiter (or wherever) when they become obsolete. Why do we have to keep bringing this crap back down to earth again?
And if you refuse to pay that, they already have a death tax anyway.
Ahhh, the land of the free...
If I were trying to think of creative things to tax, I would propose an additional tax on Food. It would probably do us Fatties in the USA some good anyway.
"Do you claim that your trip to work this morning involved moving 30,000 miles?"
Only on my taxes.
"or whatever else."
I guess my theory of a publicity stunt would fall in that category.
"And the images sent back are probably remarkably similar."
not to mention, far more useful.
Because it would be a sorry basketball team, with only one player.
He should have found out where in indiana and then moved in. Then call the police when the "trespassers" arrive.
Just in case you don't already have a favorite site:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/