Ah, the Universal HD channel. After I posted, I looked up scifi.com and it appears that is the only place to get BSG in HD (at least in the US). My plan under Dish currently only has a few channels over satellite (local HD I receive with an antenna) and Universal isn't one of them. DishNetwork is offering an upgrade to 27 HD channels over Satellite (including Universal).
But, as I indicated in my other post, I am 60 days from being out from under my contract with Dish. So, I am waiting. Then, I'll make the best deal with either Dish or DirecTV (Comcast is available in my neighborhood, but they are on my "do not want" list. Too friggin' expensive).
As for why BSG is waiting until 2008? They must be following the guidebook printed by the Sorprano's: "Hey, I have an idea! Let's make the fans wait years between fresh episodes!"
Most of my TV is in HD these days (from movies, to series (shows like SG-1, Atlantis, Battlestar Galatica, Torchwood)
Wait a minute, how did you get BSG in HI-Def? I have some hi-def channels, but SciFi is not one of them. AFAIK, it isn't even offered by my system, Dish Network. With my Dish contract coming to an end soon, I intend to start looking around. Any cable/satellite system that offered BSG in Hi-Def would be high on my list of potential suppliers. As it stands now, BattleStar actually looks better on my small TV than it does on my Hi-Def widescreen. Are you getting BSG on another channel besides the SciFi Network (European channels, etc.)?
in fact, most commonly this is Microsoft Exchange, the most important system in most companies
E-mail is probably considered important by the end-users. But, for most organizations, it should NOT be considered to be the MOST important. Consider the industry an organization is in:
A distribution company? The Supply Chain system should be most important.
Manufacturing? Customer Order/Manufacturing systems
Health Care Organization? Patient Records
Military/Defense? Supply Chain
Finance? Accounting Software/Cash Flow/Investments (depending upon specialty)
My company? Payroll
Ok, the last one is a bit of a bad joke. But, for most of the above types of companies, I would argue that e-mail is NOT number one. In fact, e-mail should be well down the list, after EDI, CRM, Accounting, HR/Payroll, and the examples I list above.
Test results disappear, appointments disappear.... sometimes the people on the phone can't schedule appointments at all and tell people to call back later.
I experience poor service whenever I deal with any organization in Health Care. Of course, where I live, Kaiser isn't a significant presence, so I can't blame them or their new software. I just blame it on the shitty system of Health Care we have here in the US.
If you want to see the oldest computer gear simply go to a hospital, insurance company or doctors offices
While the use of old technology at a physicians office may be true, I wouldn't generalize hospitals in that category. I have consulted at two different hospital systems in the past six years. At each location, the hospital was pushing to the forefront of technology. My last hospital was in the early stages of virtualizing all of their hardware environment and was using the most recent UNIX hardware available.
Just like all organizations, some are technologically advanced, some are behind the times.
You aren't the first to try and argue that software engineers are slackards and deserve to be paid less.
I agree with most of your post, but I must point out that I never claimed that anyone in IT is a 'slackard'. Being a slackard is different than being overpaid. Most of the folks I have worked with in my 13 years in this field are very hard workers.
I was talking about the United States, not the world. Why don't we just open up the borders completely and we'll be flooded with tons of cheap labor! It will drive down prices and salaries across the board and we'll have an economic crisis on our hands.
And, why not? This country was built on immigration. Even your ancestors (unless you can trace your ancestry to Native American tribes). Let the walls down and let's compete from a pure Darwinian point of view. The strong (and/or talented) survive. If someone doesn't have the skills to stand up to that coder from Vietnam, China or Bangalore, then the better start a new career.
And if you look at the historical data, you'll see that entry level programmers were getting $54,400 5 years ago. After inflation, that means they are paid less today than they were 5 years ago. That's what the OP was taking about - if demand is up why are salaries down?
At the risk of taking a Karma-hit, might I suggest that many IT persons are overpaid (including me)? Turning out thousands of line of average code isn't that hard.
I have heard that mechanics can make over $100,000 a year. The salary tools I checked on-line show an experienced mechanic can pull in an average of $50,000 per year, so I imagine that a GOOD mechanic, with a loyal customer base can make six figures. Anyway, don't think that today's mechanics are fixing your father's 1969 Pontiac Firebird. There are so many computer chips and technical components in today's engines that it can take months for a mechanic to be properly trained.
The companies fret that not enough young Americans are studying science and technology. Well, cutting the pay in those fields isn't much of an incentive, is it?.....I have yet to see any of the people complaining about the "lack of U.S. skill" answer that question adequately
Oh, please. Hotjobs.com shows that the average salary for an entry level programmer in my hometown (Pittsburgh) is $55,000. No matter how you slice it, that's alot of freakin' money. I even checked a couple of other industries (Accounting and Architecture) and the entry-level salaries there are much lower --> I have to admit, I just picked two industries -- so I run the risk of not having a representative sample. But, I imagine if I spent an hour and picked most industries, we would see that IT still pays well. I believe that a 'lack' of salary is NOT the problem.
Manufacturing is the only critical one I see on that list. Shutting down a process unexpectantly/improperly can kill people. The rest can't.
I used Payroll more or less as a joke, although I wouldn't want to be the Payroll Admin on the day the Pay Run failed.
Supply Chain is usually critical because of the way 'Just-In-Time' Inventory works. You could easily screw up a well-oiled machine if your Supply Chain system has an extensive outage. Would it kill people? Probably not. But, it could cost millions of dollars. And, that would kill someone's job.
I certainly have. I've even managed one that's gone through a catastrophic failure. It was a Lotus Notes/Domino-based
I was wrong in that statement on DR/Failover. Most of my client's have been Exchange (which, as I understand) does have some capability to move users from a failed server to another server in the Cluster. And, I forgot about my company. When my Notes server fails, I just login to the backup server.
In my current organization it's the 3rd application to come back on-line in event of a disaster
Now, this is surprising. I do believe that where a system resides in the Disaster Recovery 'Order' is a good way to judge how important that system is to an organization. So, your company thinks e-mail is the third most important system. First time I have seen it in the top 10. Just curious, how many apps are in the DR plan?
Administration wants it available for communication during disaster recovery since it provides a good audit trail (phone calls don't)
And this makes NO sense. Unless you can guarantee all of your users are actually "reading" their e-mail in a timely fashion, what is the point of keeping an 'audit trail'.
True IT Disasters really are difficult to manage. I've seen mass conference calls (which, as an observer can be rather comical). I have never seen e-mail as being used in the manner you described. Anyway, it's your organization. If it has worked during your disasters, then maybe you know something I don't.
One Major error will cost more than warehousing stuff where it needs to be in some cases
I don't fully understand inventory, but from what I do understand, you are contradicting the theory behind "Just-in-time". It costs money to hold material that may or may not be used in some future process. It is much cheaper for a company to have the component arrive at the door of the factory the precise day in which the component is scheduled for installation.
It sounds to me like you may be costing your organization some money. Then again, I am not a supply chain process expert. I've just coded on a few supply chain ERP systems.
When an ordering system goes down, you postpone or lose a few sales, but the rest of the company keeps going. When manufacturing goes down, your supply chain starts to run dry and some people might get their product late. When payroll goes down for a few days, you hurry to make up for lost time and send out the paychecks asap.
I knew a person that was involved in the implementation of a new Payroll System for the Port Authority of New York/New Jersey (think toll collectors for Bridges and Tunnels). He told me that if the first payroll run on the new payroll system had an error rate that was too high (and error rates for Payroll must be less than 2% at most organizations) then all of the union employees would go out on strike. As a result, every bridge and tunnel into and out of Manhattan would open up their gates and the Port Authority would lose MILLIONS of dollars in revenue for every hour that the error remained uncorrected.
A few moths ago outside of Pittsburgh, a developer on a future Wal-Mart site had a hillside failure. Tons of dirt slid down a hill, across four lanes of traffic and onto a major railroad line. It took almost 7 days for the rail-line to be cleared. The developer not only had to pay fines to the government, the railroad billed the develop millions of dollars for the delay in the Supply Chain. While that is an extreme example, you should remember that Supply Chain systems for even small companies are built using "just-in-time" Theory. One minor screw up will mess up not only that one part of the Supply Chain, it will have ripple effects up and down the system. Even a minor hiccup in supply chain will cost thousands (if not millions) of dollars in revenue for every hour.
I give you the two above examples in order to explain how important real enterprise-class systems are to an organization. One error can cost thousands, if not millions, of dollars.
E-mail crashes do not cost that kind of money.
How important is e-mail to your organization? To repeat what I posted earlier: Ask your IT department what their DR plan is. In the event of a Disaster at your Data Center, what is the order in which systems are brought back up. Is your e-mail server the first system that IT worries about? Or are other systems ahead of e-mail in the Recovery plan? That will tell you how important e-mail is.
yes, but my scripts don't *telephone* me when one of our servers go down.
So, you don't know how to log into your monitoring management console to check the status of your servers? Most organizations have an e-mail or a page sent when a server crashes. But, the fail-over method is for the Operations department to actually, you know, log into the monitoring application and keep an eye on things for a few hours.
Wow, you must be one of the users that is freaking out over Blackberry today.
Supply chain is worthless if crm can't communicate with them, ditto for manufacturing, payroll is worthless if they can't communicate with accounting or HR.
Most of the systems I describe have a DR and/or failover capability because they are considered critical to the operations of the business. Personally, I have NEVER seen an e-mail system that has had DR or Failover. Beyond DR, ask an even more important question: In the event of disaster, how quickly does e-mail come back up on-line? Is it the first system recovered? Or are there 35 other systems that are recovered before e-mail? That should tell you how important e-mail is in comparison to your company's other systems.
Now, let's talk about using e-mail as an interface: Does the communication you describe have to occur via e-mail? I have been working in IT for 15 years and I have never seen a place that depends upon an e-mail to interface between any of the systems I described. For example, if I am running a Supply Chain system, I can keep the supply chain moving for hours without worrying about ANY e-mail communication with external systems. Well-designed Supply Chain systems use EDI (not e-mail) for communication. And, EDI is usually built with redundancy and DR capability If they don't use EDI, they depend upon someone manually entering the information into a screen, or even a flat file. If I absolutely MUST contact someone, I just call their phone. As for Payroll, payroll runs at even small companies are not dependent upon e-mail. The timekeeping systems interact with the Payroll systems via EDI or some sort of file transfer that is NOT dependent upon Exchange/Domino.
Hell, even if I am in hardware support and my e-mail server crashes, I should be smart enough to log directly into my messaging console to keep an eye on the status of my other servers. Most monitoring tools use e-mail to send messages to Operations. My operations department had better be able to log into their consoles to check the systems real-time and not be waiting for the e-mail system to recover.
Also note, for those things the phone is not an option, it must be in writing.
There are a few options here: If you are running a normal PO approval process, then there is always an expected time-lag in approvals. My manager cannot be expected to drop everything to approve my new business-card order system. And, if there is an emergency, well-designed systems have an override that allows for exceptions.
Try to keep in mind that many, many businesses do not reside in one office, or one building, or one postcode, or one country, before you make a silly comment like "e-mail is not critical".
Firstly, I work for a Fortune 500 company. We are spread all over the world.
Secondly, There is nothing silly about my statement. E-mail is NOT critical. People THINK it's critical because it is the system they have the most 'face-time' with. But, face-time is not equal to criticality. If your organization has built interfaces or business processes that depend upon someone approving something via e-mail, then you have a very poorly designed system. You can easily have interfaces move directly between systems without ANY human interaction. You can build custom web-pages to allow approvers the ability to make their approval directly in the purchasing system.
Payroll? Absolutely the single MOST critical application at most enterprises (especially during pay runs).
But, e-mail is not critical. When I've been involved in storage meetings, e-mail is always a Tier Three application. In other words, while it is a useful tool, there are other ways of contacting people in an emergency. You know, like by telephone.
You prove Sudanese government participation in this. I do not have to prove anything.
Genocide is a systematic extermination. There is no systematic extermination like it was in Bosnia, with camps. There are attacks on civilians, there are civilians deaths, like deaths in any dangerous area of a conflict.
The term "genocide" is deliberately used by Western propaganda spear headed by Zionist masters instead of milder terms.
I frankly could not care less how you and your neocon moderator friends label me. So you can take it back or to your back. I do not care.
Now get lost.
Nah, I don't think I will. I'm kind of enjoying pissing you off. You deserve it after being nothing but a fucking troll all day.
Zionist masters? Western Propoganda? You really are a fucking idiot. What about the government of Chad? Chad isn't exactly in the 'back pocket' of either Israel or anyone in the West, but they blame the Sudanese for for supporting the Janjaweed when the Janjaweed crosses from Sudan INTO Chad and attacks Chadian citizens!! Yeah, that's western propoganda.
How about the fucking African Union? They CERTAINLY aren't supported by ANYONE in the west. But, if you actually click the fucking link you will see they have humanitarian troops in Sudan. And, the AU is complaining that the Sudan Army is attacking those troops! Why? Those troops certainly aren't doing anything in the Civil War
How about the Central African Republic? Most of the citizens in the Western World couldn't even find the country on a map. But CAR blames Sudan for unrest on the border between the two countries.
How about the United Nations? The UN, which, if anything, is actually anti-Israel & anti-US, has a major humanitarian program going on in Sudan. The humanitarian effort is focused on three areas: East Sudan (home of thousands o Ethiopian and Erirtrean refugees, South Sudan and Darfur. If you have the fucking guts to read my link, you will see that one of the primary goals of the Sudanese Refugee mission is to PROTECT the refugees from intimidation. And their chief problem is armed conflict.
Now stop spouting your conspiracy theories. You trolled for a response, now I'm going to stick around and continue to annoy the fuck out of you. Give me FACTS! Don't just spout off talking points that were distributed by your local mosque.
As for me begin a "neo-con", you should realize that I am a proud Democrat. I voted against that idiot George Bush two times. I dislike George Bush. I dislike his policies. I was against Iraq before THAT war even started.
Granted, my low tech solution of turning on the drive, copying files onto it, and then turning the drive off isn't as whiz-bangy as getting backup software -- but, I've been copying tar files to filesystems for a long time, so I think I can cope.:-P
You just reminded me of Sally Field in that Boniva commercial. Quoth Sally:
"My girlfriend complained to me the other day that she has to set aside time once a week in order to take her osteoporosis medicine. I only need to take Boniva once a month
Your solution may work for you, but if Americans can't even set aside five friggin' minutes a week to take a pill, I think most of us will be going with the 'whiz-bangy' solution.
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Ah, the Universal HD channel. After I posted, I looked up scifi.com and it appears that is the only place to get BSG in HD (at least in the US). My plan under Dish currently only has a few channels over satellite (local HD I receive with an antenna) and Universal isn't one of them. DishNetwork is offering an upgrade to 27 HD channels over Satellite (including Universal).
But, as I indicated in my other post, I am 60 days from being out from under my contract with Dish. So, I am waiting. Then, I'll make the best deal with either Dish or DirecTV (Comcast is available in my neighborhood, but they are on my "do not want" list. Too friggin' expensive).
As for why BSG is waiting until 2008? They must be following the guidebook printed by the Sorprano's: "Hey, I have an idea! Let's make the fans wait years between fresh episodes!"
Wait a minute, how did you get BSG in HI-Def? I have some hi-def channels, but SciFi is not one of them. AFAIK, it isn't even offered by my system, Dish Network. With my Dish contract coming to an end soon, I intend to start looking around. Any cable/satellite system that offered BSG in Hi-Def would be high on my list of potential suppliers. As it stands now, BattleStar actually looks better on my small TV than it does on my Hi-Def widescreen. Are you getting BSG on another channel besides the SciFi Network (European channels, etc.)?
The NY Post says that John Kerry will pick Dick Gephart as his running mate.
E-mail is probably considered important by the end-users. But, for most organizations, it should NOT be considered to be the MOST important. Consider the industry an organization is in:
A distribution company? The Supply Chain system should be most important.
Manufacturing? Customer Order/Manufacturing systems
Health Care Organization? Patient Records
Military/Defense? Supply Chain
Finance? Accounting Software/Cash Flow/Investments (depending upon specialty)
My company? Payroll
Ok, the last one is a bit of a bad joke. But, for most of the above types of companies, I would argue that e-mail is NOT number one. In fact, e-mail should be well down the list, after EDI, CRM, Accounting, HR/Payroll, and the examples I list above.
I experience poor service whenever I deal with any organization in Health Care. Of course, where I live, Kaiser isn't a significant presence, so I can't blame them or their new software. I just blame it on the shitty system of Health Care we have here in the US.
While the use of old technology at a physicians office may be true, I wouldn't generalize hospitals in that category. I have consulted at two different hospital systems in the past six years. At each location, the hospital was pushing to the forefront of technology. My last hospital was in the early stages of virtualizing all of their hardware environment and was using the most recent UNIX hardware available.
Just like all organizations, some are technologically advanced, some are behind the times.
Ugh. Well, I hope the grammar police don't read THAT post.
Nothing. But, this can be categorized under either 'humor' and 'movies'. Take your pick (and stop throwing a Tantrum).
I agree with most of your post, but I must point out that I never claimed that anyone in IT is a 'slackard'. Being a slackard is different than being overpaid. Most of the folks I have worked with in my 13 years in this field are very hard workers.
And, why not? This country was built on immigration. Even your ancestors (unless you can trace your ancestry to Native American tribes). Let the walls down and let's compete from a pure Darwinian point of view. The strong (and/or talented) survive. If someone doesn't have the skills to stand up to that coder from Vietnam, China or Bangalore, then the better start a new career.
BTW, I am only (partially) kidding.
There isn't. If you open up the H1-B process, the US would be overwhelmed with coders.
At the risk of taking a Karma-hit, might I suggest that many IT persons are overpaid (including me)? Turning out thousands of line of average code isn't that hard.
I have heard that mechanics can make over $100,000 a year. The salary tools I checked on-line show an experienced mechanic can pull in an average of $50,000 per year, so I imagine that a GOOD mechanic, with a loyal customer base can make six figures. Anyway, don't think that today's mechanics are fixing your father's 1969 Pontiac Firebird. There are so many computer chips and technical components in today's engines that it can take months for a mechanic to be properly trained.
Oh, please. Hotjobs.com shows that the average salary for an entry level programmer in my hometown (Pittsburgh) is $55,000. No matter how you slice it, that's alot of freakin' money. I even checked a couple of other industries (Accounting and Architecture) and the entry-level salaries there are much lower --> I have to admit, I just picked two industries -- so I run the risk of not having a representative sample. But, I imagine if I spent an hour and picked most industries, we would see that IT still pays well. I believe that a 'lack' of salary is NOT the problem.
Blasphemer!
I used Payroll more or less as a joke, although I wouldn't want to be the Payroll Admin on the day the Pay Run failed.
Supply Chain is usually critical because of the way 'Just-In-Time' Inventory works. You could easily screw up a well-oiled machine if your Supply Chain system has an extensive outage. Would it kill people? Probably not. But, it could cost millions of dollars. And, that would kill someone's job.
I was wrong in that statement on DR/Failover. Most of my client's have been Exchange (which, as I understand) does have some capability to move users from a failed server to another server in the Cluster. And, I forgot about my company. When my Notes server fails, I just login to the backup server.
In my current organization it's the 3rd application to come back on-line in event of a disasterNow, this is surprising. I do believe that where a system resides in the Disaster Recovery 'Order' is a good way to judge how important that system is to an organization. So, your company thinks e-mail is the third most important system. First time I have seen it in the top 10. Just curious, how many apps are in the DR plan?
Administration wants it available for communication during disaster recovery since it provides a good audit trail (phone calls don't)And this makes NO sense. Unless you can guarantee all of your users are actually "reading" their e-mail in a timely fashion, what is the point of keeping an 'audit trail'.
True IT Disasters really are difficult to manage. I've seen mass conference calls (which, as an observer can be rather comical). I have never seen e-mail as being used in the manner you described. Anyway, it's your organization. If it has worked during your disasters, then maybe you know something I don't.
I don't fully understand inventory, but from what I do understand, you are contradicting the theory behind "Just-in-time". It costs money to hold material that may or may not be used in some future process. It is much cheaper for a company to have the component arrive at the door of the factory the precise day in which the component is scheduled for installation.
It sounds to me like you may be costing your organization some money. Then again, I am not a supply chain process expert. I've just coded on a few supply chain ERP systems.
I knew a person that was involved in the implementation of a new Payroll System for the Port Authority of New York/New Jersey (think toll collectors for Bridges and Tunnels). He told me that if the first payroll run on the new payroll system had an error rate that was too high (and error rates for Payroll must be less than 2% at most organizations) then all of the union employees would go out on strike. As a result, every bridge and tunnel into and out of Manhattan would open up their gates and the Port Authority would lose MILLIONS of dollars in revenue for every hour that the error remained uncorrected.
A few moths ago outside of Pittsburgh, a developer on a future Wal-Mart site had a hillside failure. Tons of dirt slid down a hill, across four lanes of traffic and onto a major railroad line. It took almost 7 days for the rail-line to be cleared. The developer not only had to pay fines to the government, the railroad billed the develop millions of dollars for the delay in the Supply Chain. While that is an extreme example, you should remember that Supply Chain systems for even small companies are built using "just-in-time" Theory. One minor screw up will mess up not only that one part of the Supply Chain, it will have ripple effects up and down the system. Even a minor hiccup in supply chain will cost thousands (if not millions) of dollars in revenue for every hour.
I give you the two above examples in order to explain how important real enterprise-class systems are to an organization. One error can cost thousands, if not millions, of dollars.
E-mail crashes do not cost that kind of money.
How important is e-mail to your organization? To repeat what I posted earlier: Ask your IT department what their DR plan is. In the event of a Disaster at your Data Center, what is the order in which systems are brought back up. Is your e-mail server the first system that IT worries about? Or are other systems ahead of e-mail in the Recovery plan? That will tell you how important e-mail is.
So, you don't know how to log into your monitoring management console to check the status of your servers? Most organizations have an e-mail or a page sent when a server crashes. But, the fail-over method is for the Operations department to actually, you know, log into the monitoring application and keep an eye on things for a few hours.
Wow, you must be one of the users that is freaking out over Blackberry today.
Supply chain is worthless if crm can't communicate with them, ditto for manufacturing, payroll is worthless if they can't communicate with accounting or HR.Most of the systems I describe have a DR and/or failover capability because they are considered critical to the operations of the business. Personally, I have NEVER seen an e-mail system that has had DR or Failover. Beyond DR, ask an even more important question: In the event of disaster, how quickly does e-mail come back up on-line? Is it the first system recovered? Or are there 35 other systems that are recovered before e-mail? That should tell you how important e-mail is in comparison to your company's other systems.
Now, let's talk about using e-mail as an interface: Does the communication you describe have to occur via e-mail? I have been working in IT for 15 years and I have never seen a place that depends upon an e-mail to interface between any of the systems I described. For example, if I am running a Supply Chain system, I can keep the supply chain moving for hours without worrying about ANY e-mail communication with external systems. Well-designed Supply Chain systems use EDI (not e-mail) for communication. And, EDI is usually built with redundancy and DR capability If they don't use EDI, they depend upon someone manually entering the information into a screen, or even a flat file. If I absolutely MUST contact someone, I just call their phone. As for Payroll, payroll runs at even small companies are not dependent upon e-mail. The timekeeping systems interact with the Payroll systems via EDI or some sort of file transfer that is NOT dependent upon Exchange/Domino.
Hell, even if I am in hardware support and my e-mail server crashes, I should be smart enough to log directly into my messaging console to keep an eye on the status of my other servers. Most monitoring tools use e-mail to send messages to Operations. My operations department had better be able to log into their consoles to check the systems real-time and not be waiting for the e-mail system to recover.
Also note, for those things the phone is not an option, it must be in writing.There are a few options here: If you are running a normal PO approval process, then there is always an expected time-lag in approvals. My manager cannot be expected to drop everything to approve my new business-card order system. And, if there is an emergency, well-designed systems have an override that allows for exceptions.
Try to keep in mind that many, many businesses do not reside in one office, or one building, or one postcode, or one country, before you make a silly comment like "e-mail is not critical".Firstly, I work for a Fortune 500 company. We are spread all over the world.
Secondly, There is nothing silly about my statement. E-mail is NOT critical. People THINK it's critical because it is the system they have the most 'face-time' with. But, face-time is not equal to criticality. If your organization has built interfaces or business processes that depend upon someone approving something via e-mail, then you have a very poorly designed system. You can easily have interfaces move directly between systems without ANY human interaction. You can build custom web-pages to allow approvers the ability to make their approval directly in the purchasing system.
Contrary to popular belief. E-mail is NOT a critical business tool. You don't believe me? Then compare e-mail with the following:
Supply Chain Systems? Critical.
Customer Order/Customer Relationship Systems? Critical.
Manufacturing systems? Critical.
Payroll? Absolutely the single MOST critical application at most enterprises (especially during pay runs).
But, e-mail is not critical. When I've been involved in storage meetings, e-mail is always a Tier Three application. In other words, while it is a useful tool, there are other ways of contacting people in an emergency. You know, like by telephone.
Nah, I don't think I will. I'm kind of enjoying pissing you off. You deserve it after being nothing but a fucking troll all day.
Zionist masters? Western Propoganda? You really are a fucking idiot. What about the government of Chad? Chad isn't exactly in the 'back pocket' of either Israel or anyone in the West, but they blame the Sudanese for for supporting the Janjaweed when the Janjaweed crosses from Sudan INTO Chad and attacks Chadian citizens!! Yeah, that's western propoganda.
How about the fucking African Union? They CERTAINLY aren't supported by ANYONE in the west. But, if you actually click the fucking link you will see they have humanitarian troops in Sudan. And, the AU is complaining that the Sudan Army is attacking those troops! Why? Those troops certainly aren't doing anything in the Civil War
How about the Central African Republic? Most of the citizens in the Western World couldn't even find the country on a map. But CAR blames Sudan for unrest on the border between the two countries.
How about the United Nations? The UN, which, if anything, is actually anti-Israel & anti-US, has a major humanitarian program going on in Sudan. The humanitarian effort is focused on three areas: East Sudan (home of thousands o Ethiopian and Erirtrean refugees, South Sudan and Darfur. If you have the fucking guts to read my link, you will see that one of the primary goals of the Sudanese Refugee mission is to PROTECT the refugees from intimidation. And their chief problem is armed conflict.
Now stop spouting your conspiracy theories. You trolled for a response, now I'm going to stick around and continue to annoy the fuck out of you. Give me FACTS! Don't just spout off talking points that were distributed by your local mosque.
As for me begin a "neo-con", you should realize that I am a proud Democrat. I voted against that idiot George Bush two times. I dislike George Bush. I dislike his policies. I was against Iraq before THAT war even started.
I was trying to be sarcastic. You did the right thing.
You just reminded me of Sally Field in that Boniva commercial. Quoth Sally:
Your solution may work for you, but if Americans can't even set aside five friggin' minutes a week to take a pill, I think most of us will be going with the 'whiz-bangy' solution.