Between this and the ongoing Alpha debacle, I don't know what kind of crack they're smoking.
If there was a URL where I could give them a non-refundable deposit via credit card, I would do it right now. But no, I gotta dream about building my own. I barely know which end of the iron to hold;)
You're both wrong. _The_ best radio station (KISW), plays plenty of good rock. That is SRV, Hendrix, Ozzy and of course, Zeppelin.
ObOnTopic: It's all about horses for courses. I don't use a 'Vette to haul hay, and I don't think my F-150 is a canyon carver. No PDA, no matter how nice, is going to replace a full size keyboard and monitor for many tasks (programming, software engineering, and peeping pr0n). [well, maybe no keyboard for that last one;)]
Of course you're right. After all, the only right way to to things is the way that _you_ do them;)
I'm amazed at how the folks around me get stuff done. Try watching 10 people open a PNG with Photoshop on a Win32 machine. I'll be kicked in the dick if they don't do it at least 6 different ways.
_That_ is what usability is all about. Let people work the way they want to, and the way that makes sense to them.
We all know that 99% of Java coders are high-school fresh-outs. They'll import com.microsoft.com.* and then wonder why COM code doesn't work on Linux...
For ever/. reader who claims that use of VJ++ blackens the soul, I've found a real life person who _likes_ to use VJ++ and can easily create bytecode that runs on other JVMs. (Personally, I prefer vi and JDK;)
When my machine doesn't crash, allows me to use Perl to do XML/XSL transforms with something other than beta software, and surf the web with the best browser available, I can also say "This would not have happened with Linux"
This is not a troll, but I do wish some folks would realize that not all Win32 users are clueless idiots, begging Bill for a bone. If I want a good webserver, I'll use Apache on FreeBSD. If I want a good desktop, Win2k and Office2K. I have no desire to write my own Perl scripts to translate StarOffice docs to XML.
I'll second this motion that the Bazaar isn't the be-all, end-all for OSS development. Take, as another example, g77.
Craig decided it's not worth his while to continue to fix g77 full time because: a) He can't make any money at it b) It's no fun dealing with a bunch of @ssholes c) It's going to take a lot of effort [Craig, if this is too short a summary, I apologize]
While there may be some folks who snicker and say who cares about F77 support, I think it speaks volumes about OSS. Fortran is still an important tool, and the OSS community can't even fund an F77 project, let alone set up an F90 or F95 project.
For the Anonymous Coward who says "Use C", I'll take that as an offer to port 100k lines of F77 for free:)
If you want proof, just type babies into the Win2K OpenGL screen saver. You get spinning baby-cooking recipies to use when your machine reboots during a BSOD.
Note: I've been testing this OS since it was NT 5, so no flames from the anti-anti-MS crowd please.
Back in the day, I downloaded the source. I had the correct compiler VC++ 5.0 (this is really old-school) and I had a fast (for the day) machine: K6-233 w/ 64MB.
So while the download progressed, I watched a movie. And then another.
I unzip the files, to find that they recommend 128MB of memory to develop, and I gotta download some more tools. Fine. I download the extra tools and figure I'll just deal with a 4 hour compile time. 15 minutes into the compile, error. I do some looking around, some tweaking, and try again. Another error. Delete!
Fast forward to more recent history(when even eMachines have 64MB of memory:) and I think I'll try again. Gecko looked pretty interesting. So I go looking for instructions and source. I can find the email address of the maintainer. Should I email him? Nah, he doesn't need a bunch of clueless newbies asking him where to get the source. Next!
I'm not saying I require Natalie Portman to come over and cook me some hot grits while I write code, but, damn! I've had an easier time getting source code from companies that require NDAs!
Only on/. would a story about Apple turn into an MS bash about what they have/have not invented.
Don't believe me? Set your threshold to -1 and count the number of posts that are completely off this topic. Of course, you're already at -1, 'cuz you're looking at this one:)
MSA (OS) and MSB (Office/Apps) can still continue to enforce the Wintel monopoly. Here's how:
Port Office to another OS like Be or BSD (anything to stop the spread of the GPL;)
Knowing that Win32 is still the #1 platform, sell Win32 Office licenses for 50% of Be licenses. In the ultra-price sensitive computer market, what are you going to buy?
With Office the killer app for Win32, as long as Office is the champ, Win32 will be the champ as well. Monopoly keeps rolling, and now the DOJ can do exactly jack shiznit.
You know, for as much as/. whines about this, they'd do well to actually _gasp_ do some research!
The apps group (typically IE and Office) come up with some cool functionality (coolbars, flat menus, dancing paperclips;). That functionality is _statically_ linked into the application.
The OS group, on a somewhat slower cycle, re-implements the best features of the apps group into the new OS. So if you have, for example, Office2K and Win2K, you've got multiple sets of code that do sliding menus. There's no SecretSlidingMenuW API that the OS guys 'gave' to the apps guys 18 months before everyone else.
But then again, who's gonna see this, being marked as -6 Flamebait?:)
Umm, that is the way it works here (USA) too. But if someone's got, and you don't, there's no reason to work harder. Just get the gummint in there with them there lawyers to grab you some.
ObOnTopic: From what I understand by talking to both temps and blue badges, the temps/contractors are eligible for overtime. So unless there is a huge squeeze, their workweek ends at 40 hours. No such luck for salaried exempt employees (actually, their max is 168 hours/week:).
IIRC, the code you speak of was never provided in a release version, only beta.
If you don't believe me, check out this link to DDJ: http://www.ddj.com/articles/1993/9309/9309d/9309 d.htm
Here's a telling quote from the same article: So whenever I've heard accusations that Microsoft practices so-called "cruel coding" to keep Windows from running on DR DOS, I look at the facts: Windows 3.1 Enhanced mode does run on DR DOS. Standard mode does not run, but that's because of a DR DOS bug acknowledged by Novell (see Undocumented DOS, Second Edition).
But then, that shiznit doesn't play on/., 'cuz it's bash, bash, bash.
I can understand your point, but I think the Alpha/NT example is a little off base. If I'm going to drop $80k on a machine, what's another $3k for an OS:) Besides, the Q doesn't recommend Linux on the 8400, they recommend Tru64 or VMS. And that's not free (beer or speech).
This is more of an issue for price sensitive markets like home users.
P.S. I don't own and 8400, so I'm only stating what I recall it to cost. And I've never gotten a price quote for NT Enterprise Edition, so I've got no clue what that goes for either.
You left out this book:) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/188836368 1/ref=sim_books/102-8815157-6638436
IIRC, the story was retracted because the Mercury found out that Gary Webb had _fabricated_ much of his story.
Here's a quote from Reason magazine (hardly a CIA lapdog): The newspaper series was quickly shot to pieces by other news outlets, including The New York Times, The Washington Post, and the Los Angeles Times. Eventually even the Mercury itself, after sending a reporter around to recheck Webb's work, started backing away. Webb, not surprisingly, began intimating that his own newspaper was part of the conspiracy, and they soon parted ways.
The URL for the above article is: http://www.reason.com/9901/bk.gg.hookedon.html
He's right. Consider the story of the fellow who invented interval wipers. The big three only ripped him off for 10-20 years. And when they were done, they only had to pay a fraction of the license fee he had asked for initially.
Please note that this is a real story. If there is a requirement for me to document the complete story, I'll do so. But I had to 'post first, think later':)
I think you misunderstood what I said. Compaq didn't pull the plug on Alpha, only on Alpha/NT.
Compaq provided the funds and engineers to port MS products to Alpha/NT.
All MS had to do to support Alpha/NT was to continue to ship the binaries on the CDs. It was Digital/Compaq that was doing all the work. Don't forget. Every NT CD that went out the door already had the Alpha binaries on it. That includes all the Back Office stuff, IE and service packs.
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No fscking shit!!!
;)
Between this and the ongoing Alpha debacle,
I don't know what kind of crack they're smoking.
If there was a URL where I could give them
a non-refundable deposit via credit card, I would
do it right now. But no, I gotta dream about
building my own. I barely know which end of the
iron to hold
The database is called Interbase (shiver...)
Don't ask me how I know unless you want
a 6 meg stream of obscenities.
You're both wrong. _The_ best radio station
;)]
(KISW), plays plenty of good rock. That is
SRV, Hendrix, Ozzy and of course, Zeppelin.
ObOnTopic:
It's all about horses for courses. I don't
use a 'Vette to haul hay, and I don't think
my F-150 is a canyon carver. No PDA, no matter
how nice, is going to replace a full size
keyboard and monitor for many tasks (programming,
software engineering, and peeping pr0n).
[well, maybe no keyboard for that last one
Tab order and spacebar are your friends.
Of course you're right. After all, the only ;)
right way to to things is the way that _you_ do
them
I'm amazed at how the folks around me get
stuff done. Try watching 10 people open a PNG
with Photoshop on a Win32 machine. I'll be kicked in the dick if they don't do it at least 6 different ways.
_That_ is what usability is all about. Let people work the way they want to, and the way that
makes sense to them.
We all know that 99% of Java coders are high-school fresh-outs. They'll import com.microsoft.com.* and then wonder why COM code
/. reader who claims that use of VJ++ blackens the soul, I've found a real life person who _likes_ to use VJ++ and can easily create bytecode that runs on other JVMs. (Personally, I prefer vi and JDK ;)
doesn't work on Linux...
For ever
Microsoft? Damn the facts! Full speed ahead.
That can also be used against you :)
When my machine doesn't crash, allows me to use Perl to do XML/XSL transforms with something other than beta software, and surf the web with the best browser available, I can also say
"This would not have happened with Linux"
This is not a troll, but I do wish some folks would realize that not all Win32 users are clueless idiots, begging Bill for a bone. If I want a good webserver, I'll use Apache on FreeBSD. If I want a good desktop, Win2k and Office2K. I have no desire to write my own Perl scripts to translate StarOffice docs to XML.
When will webedge.slashdot.org be available?
Corey
Been there. Done that. Got the CD.
FX!32 and it's Linux equivalent have been available for quite some time.
The optimization is nice, but how many times can the x86 emulation wheel be re-invented (FX!32, K7, Crusoe)?
I'll second this motion that the Bazaar isn't the be-all, end-all for OSS development. Take, as another example, g77.
:)
Craig decided it's not worth his while to continue to fix g77 full time because:
a) He can't make any money at it
b) It's no fun dealing with a bunch of @ssholes
c) It's going to take a lot of effort
[Craig, if this is too short a summary, I apologize]
While there may be some folks who snicker and say who cares about F77 support, I think it speaks volumes about OSS. Fortran is still an important tool, and the OSS community can't even fund an F77 project, let alone set up an F90 or F95 project.
For the Anonymous Coward who says "Use C", I'll take that as an offer to port 100k lines of F77 for free
Babies, the other white meat.
If you want proof, just type babies into the Win2K OpenGL screen saver. You get spinning baby-cooking recipies to use when your machine reboots during a BSOD.
Note: I've been testing this OS since it was NT 5, so no flames from the anti-anti-MS crowd please.
And Bill Gates said it even more humorously:
"Given the company that Scott McNealy speaks about most, I've concluded he works for Microsoft."
Scott is not exactly one to talk about vendor lock-in. That is, unless he's figured out a way to run HP/UX or Tru64 Unix on a Starfire.
I'll second that emotion.
:) and I think I'll try again. Gecko looked pretty interesting. So I go looking for instructions and source. I can find the email address of the maintainer. Should I email him? Nah, he doesn't need a bunch of clueless newbies asking him where to get the source. Next!
Back in the day, I downloaded the source. I had the correct compiler VC++ 5.0 (this is really old-school) and I had a fast (for the day) machine: K6-233 w/ 64MB.
So while the download progressed, I watched a movie. And then another.
I unzip the files, to find that they recommend 128MB of memory to develop, and I gotta download some more tools. Fine. I download the extra tools and figure I'll just deal with a 4 hour compile time. 15 minutes into the compile, error. I do some looking around, some tweaking, and try again. Another error. Delete!
Fast forward to more recent history(when even eMachines have 64MB of memory
I'm not saying I require Natalie Portman to come over and cook me some hot grits while I write code, but, damn! I've had an easier time getting source code from companies that require NDAs!
Only on /. would a story about Apple turn into
:)
an MS bash about what they have/have not invented.
Don't believe me? Set your threshold to -1 and
count the number of posts that are completely off this topic. Of course, you're already at -1,
'cuz you're looking at this one
No, he said _small_ tools. You've got your
choice of cat or vi.
MSA (OS) and MSB (Office/Apps) can still
;)
continue to enforce the Wintel monopoly. Here's how:
Port Office to another OS like Be or BSD (anything to stop the spread of the GPL
Knowing that Win32 is still the #1 platform, sell Win32 Office licenses for 50% of Be licenses. In the ultra-price sensitive computer market, what are you going to buy?
With Office the killer app for Win32, as long as Office is the champ, Win32 will be the champ as well. Monopoly keeps rolling, and now the DOJ can do exactly jack shiznit.
The previous poster wasn't suggesting opening the source, only publishing the APIs.
You know, like the 600K+ Win32API.txt document that MS allows people to use royalty free.
What, you mean the API is already public?
Note: I don't want to hear jack about any API function that starts with zw...
You know, for as much as /. whines about this,
;). That functionality is _statically_ linked into the application.
:)
they'd do well to actually _gasp_ do some research!
The apps group (typically IE and Office) come up with some cool functionality (coolbars, flat menus, dancing paperclips
The OS group, on a somewhat slower cycle, re-implements the best features of the apps group into the new OS. So if you have, for example, Office2K and Win2K, you've got multiple sets of code that do sliding menus. There's no SecretSlidingMenuW API that the OS guys 'gave' to the apps guys 18 months before everyone else.
But then again, who's gonna see this, being marked as -6 Flamebait?
Umm, that is the way it works here (USA) too.
:).
But if someone's got, and you don't, there's
no reason to work harder. Just get the gummint
in there with them there lawyers to grab you some.
ObOnTopic:
From what I understand by talking to both temps and blue badges, the temps/contractors are eligible for overtime. So unless there is a huge squeeze, their workweek ends at 40 hours. No such luck for salaried exempt employees (actually,
their max is 168 hours/week
IIRC, the code you speak of was never provided in a release version, only beta.
9 d.htm
/., 'cuz it's bash, bash, bash.
If you don't believe me, check out this link to DDJ:
http://www.ddj.com/articles/1993/9309/9309d/930
Here's a telling quote from the same article:
So whenever I've heard accusations that Microsoft practices so-called "cruel coding" to keep Windows from running on DR DOS, I look at the facts: Windows 3.1 Enhanced mode does run on DR DOS. Standard mode does not run, but that's because of a DR DOS bug acknowledged by Novell (see Undocumented DOS, Second Edition).
But then, that shiznit doesn't play on
I can understand your point, but I think the :) Besides, the Q doesn't recommend
Alpha/NT example is a little off base. If I'm
going to drop $80k on a machine, what's another
$3k for an OS
Linux on the 8400, they recommend Tru64 or VMS. And that's not free (beer or speech).
This is more of an issue for price sensitive markets like home users.
P.S. I don't own and 8400, so I'm only stating what I recall it to cost. And I've never gotten a price quote for NT Enterprise Edition, so I've
got no clue what that goes for either.
Why would anyone want to support their legacy :)
/. posters.
:)
apps when they could throw away millions of dollars to run Linux and be kewl?
I think your point about legacy support is a little over the heads of many
Since this will be moderated down to flamebait, perhaps I should mention hot grits and Natalie Portman
You left out this book :) 8 1/ref=sim_books/102-8815157-6638436
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/18883636
IIRC, the story was retracted because the Mercury found out that Gary Webb had _fabricated_ much of
his story.
Here's a quote from Reason magazine (hardly a CIA lapdog):
The newspaper series was quickly shot to pieces by other news outlets, including The New York Times, The Washington Post, and the Los Angeles Times. Eventually even the Mercury itself, after sending a reporter around to recheck Webb's work, started backing away. Webb, not surprisingly, began intimating that his own newspaper was part of the conspiracy, and they soon parted ways.
The URL for the above article is:
http://www.reason.com/9901/bk.gg.hookedon.html
He's right. Consider the story of the fellow
:)
who invented interval wipers. The big three only
ripped him off for 10-20 years. And when they
were done, they only had to pay a fraction of
the license fee he had asked for initially.
Please note that this is a real story. If there
is a requirement for me to document the complete story, I'll do so. But I had to 'post first, think later'
I think you misunderstood what I said. Compaq didn't pull the plug on Alpha, only on Alpha/NT.
Compaq provided the funds and engineers to port MS products to Alpha/NT.
All MS had to do to support Alpha/NT was to continue to ship the binaries on the CDs. It was Digital/Compaq that was doing all the work. Don't forget. Every NT CD that went out the door already had the Alpha binaries on it. That includes all the Back Office stuff, IE and service packs.