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1) It's Konqueror not Konquerer 2) If you do not wish to use this feature, then don't. 3) It is an option available to users, hence, not an automated process that will eat memory regardless of whether you asked for it or not so if you want to use it, click on the menu entry, if you don't, don't... it's as simple as that. Why would you complain about a feature that you don't have to use ? 4) If a background process locks up or crash, kill it.
there has to be a problem with your version or build of evolution. I've been using it for quite a while, it's extremely fast here.. and this box is a Celeron 500Mhz (Coppermine) so it's even slower than your box... I suggest you try the latest RedHat beta also, it seems they have already read your post before and responded to most of your concerns with a proper solution. The binaries for KDE, etc... are really fast, that includes evolution.
As for the Office stuff, really, I swear, I get tons of.doc and.ppt files, with all kinds of weird stuff... the latest developer release of OpenOffice (643c) just haven't gotten anything wrong yet since I installed it. That include inline images, wordart, freaky bullets, tables and autoformated tables, etc... Also it's much faster than the stable version.
This is why I can really see a future for linux on the desktop.
I think the guys at OpenOffice.org are doing a good job at preventing features from excel that people take from granted to lack on linux as far as I'm concerned... (I'm still refering to the latest release)
And last thing for tonight: No one ever talked about features from Windows 3.11 in a windows xp world.. I think evolution is much more feature-rich than outlook express, mozilla has more features than IE (and it's more stable, it's prettier (with Orbit theme) is has really cool plugins, etc...), Klipper blows the Windows Clipboard out of the water, KDE is more configurable and faster (3.1)
I have done the following experience on many people around me that have no idea what linux is. Take a normal computer, install a decent distribution of linux, easy to use like gentoo or red-hat Change the name of the icons for the applications in this way: OOwritter->MS-Word Mozilla->Internet Explorer licq->ICQ kmail->Outlook Express Evolution->Outlook Gnucash->QuickBook x mms->Winamp Home->Explorer
and see what you get. I have to say it was quite impressive. They all did everything they wanted on that computer, everything worked out just great and some of them didn't even notice the changes between applications.
That also covers the "people use windows because they're used to it". Ship a new computer with linux with apps named that way and people will use it and buy it.
Installing linux would indeed cost companies money, but that's not the problem since they would get all that money back and more quickly by not renewing licenses and upgrading to windows ++
Linux is pretty darn idiot proof... I've seen some stupid morons install it and run it just fine... The category of people that has trouble with it is power-users because they need this one special windows application that makes them look busy or cool, or they want their GUI to behave in a very specific way and they have no idea how to configure KDE or Gnome to behave in these ways, heck, they don't even know what KDE or Gnome is or that they're using it right now. So they just go back to windows saying that linux is nice but their cool application doesn't work on it and it's harder to configure.
On your last point however, you're right on the money... I don't see linux dominating the market any time soon either, but I see it coming along just nicely and I definitely see it stepping through that door.
I'm actually an advocate of linux on the desktop (yes I am) and it seems those points you mentionned don't make much sense, here's why.
- Linux GUIs are faster and faster at each version. Gnome2 for example was totally re-coded with performance in mind and behaves much better now, KDE 3.1 (still a release candidate but still) on this box is working SO much faster than XP did on the SAME box ! - Since I've been running linux on my desktop, I have not yet had one problem reading any PPT, DOC, etc... documents... not once... sorry. And I get a lot of ppt and doc files sent to me daily - I have had problems with some applications, contacted the mailing list, and the solution was sent to me a few minutes later... no RTFM. - I use Evolution for my email/calendar/tasklist/contact management stuff, it has everything I could ever use and more... I have used kmail in the past, I've never had any real problem with it. - Recent linux distributions based on more recent and less backward-compatible glibc usually have some kind of package management system that will not only save you from searching on freshmeat, but also install directly the application for you. emerge gnucash apt-get install gnucash synaptic->gnucash and so on... You have now installed the latest version of an excellent financial software, which, may I add, will read files from other windows software like Quickbook or Quicken without a glitch - I use daily applications for all my needs, none of them are poorly written at all. licq is stable as a rock, xmms plays music just perfectly, evolution still handles my emails (without a virus or worm or anything like that infesting my computer), mozilla works like a charm and KDE 3.1 is just a dream. Although all those applications work in a much superior fashion than equivalent applications on windows, they ARE skinnable indeed:) - Companies such as the Kompany, RedHat, Suse, etc... actually DO have some marketing people that make your desktop look just like you want it to look like as a user and to behave. My desktop right now looks simply amazing, yet is really fast and everything is at hand. My girlfriend uses it every time she comes, all my friends really love the way it's set up and even my mom used it and didn't have a problem doing everything she needed to do. - and for the support thing, companies like Suse, RedHat, Mandrake, etc... DO offer commercial (cheap) support for pretty much all the applications shipped with their distributions, in fact, and I speak from experience, these companies go way beyond that by helping out users with applications not "officially" supported, and also collect bug-reports and offer patches to the original developer of the software to fix the problem for them (http://www.redhat.com/bugzilla) for example. - Whoever wrote that has NO idea of how much a business license for Microsoft Windows costs... it's not even close to $200. Tell this person to add many zeros to that number.
I think linux is still very young on the desktop OS market but it's doing a great job and I'm very impressed by how fast it's moving forward... KDE, Gnome, Evolution, OpenOffice, etc... all these software are working on a new development version right now that's purely amazing... I can't wait to see what it will be like by the end of the year 2003 !
Debian is better than RedHat because - The software package on RedHat is outdated... well it's not but it could be - RedHat sucks... well it doesn't but it could - There is no good software package on the main archive... well, there is, but, you know... - Debian has apt-get and no other distro has it hahaha (Though RedHat has apt-get too and Gentoo has emerge, which goes far beyond apt...)
Well the reason why is because it's very convenient.. I can set up samba the way I want it to act in a matter of minutes on any new box on my network and it will run immediately. There's probably better out there but I have no need for it, my file transfers work just fine, my remote mounts are in my fstab and my links work with it really well, it just makes life so much easier... The fact that it's compatible with Windows implementation is simply a bonus but a good one if any of my friend want to converge on my network for a day with his windows laptop...
You seem to be forgetting that samba is _not_ used only for compatibility with existing microsoft network. I don't run windows on any of my boxes here but they all use samba for sharing files, partitions and printers. If microsoft wants to show me that my castle is not so big, I welcome them to make any change they want to their implementation of the protocol, while I'll just watch from my castle:)
I got rid of windows on all my workstations. I only buy hardware that I know is supported or will be supported because the hardware manufacturer provides drivers or collaborations with *nix developers, and for those other hardware manufacturers, that's too damn bad... they don't care about me and the feeling is mutual. My Hardware is not outdated nor more expensive.
For remote desktop, I've heard there was a really nice tool coming with KDE 3.1 to address this issue, VNC is also a good idea, personally I still think SSH blows any XP-RemoteDesktop, VNC or any of that crap.
Heck in the proper bug-infested environment a cat can *thrive*
I have a windows box somewhere, it will do just fine for my new kitty I'm planning on getting around christmas.
If I ever have to spend cash on a device that makes my interactive pr0n sessions more realistic, I'll wait for the next step when I can actually feel what's on the screen.
I have to say I disagree with your first argument.
Database abstraction is a very convenient thing, especially to port applications.
However, using a workaround query to replace an embeded algorithm will in certain cases cause you severe performance problems.
Just run the benchmarks for yourself with PEAR, you will add great flexibility but if you really want to focus your application on performance, you will find a more addapted algorithm and reduce the amount of overhead.
Agreed in some cases the difference might not be worth using the old way but there is still a need for it in some applications. That was my point.
Also I would add that many developers didn't even switch to the new $_* arrays, I don't think they will ever switch to a different database access method.
And I didn't notice compilation problems with PHP's include and require tree but my include/require tree has never exceeded the 10/11 files.
And as for calling this "the problem with PHP",
I simply never heard that argument before and if the problem can be identified and exposed, most certainly it will be fixed rapidly.
And I'll skip the sarcasm since you're familiar with the subject you're talking about:)
Abstraction or Performance is a trade-off Do we want to allow the professional to create a robust and fast application adapted to a specific database without giving too much overhead ? Yes we do! Even though we risk other users who do not read the manual to shoot themselves in the foot ? I'm sorry but yes we do!
I actually use PHP to do entreprise programming actually and the applications scale perfectly to multiple servers, large databases and frameworks. The Java AND python integration is perfect and creating C extensions give you an edge. That is, if all your knowledge is not based on other "scripting" languages... but that's not the case since you're an entreprise developer, right ?
Even better, if you're using mozilla, you may want to try "EasySearch", which is kind of like the google toolbar but you can setup your search engines to google groups, php.net, ebay, etc...
And I agree, I use the php.net's search from URL all the time...
http://www.php.net/function_name will not only show you the manual for function_name but will also launch a full search on the whole website if it didn't find the appropriate function... I wish google had that...
import_request_variables("GPCS"); at the beginning of your script or even better, include file, and all your request variables will be imported from the $_* arrays right into the global scope.
In this example, it will override in the following order: Get, Post, Cookies and Session.
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It's more likely that SCO people cut and paste things from your resume into their own. There are many reasons for this, all true.
I disagree.
If you put a copyright notice in your resume, they would have to sue themselves for violation of copyright because that's illegal.
I'm thinking about offering them to license my resume...
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actually, agenda has a different meaning from french to english.
They wanted to ask for a billion kajilion fahilion dollars but had to settle for the billion...
1) It's Konqueror not Konquerer
2) If you do not wish to use this feature, then don't.
3) It is an option available to users, hence, not an automated process that will eat memory regardless of whether you asked for it or not so if you want to use it, click on the menu entry, if you don't, don't... it's as simple as that.
Why would you complain about a feature that you don't have to use ?
4) If a background process locks up or crash, kill it.
yeah but mine is a g33k.
sometimes she even screams "Oh... Unix" in bed.
You're confusing OpenOffice (OpenSource with a development team) with StarOffice (Developed by sun, closed source)
there has to be a problem with your version or build of evolution.
.doc and .ppt files, with all kinds of weird stuff... the latest developer release of OpenOffice (643c) just haven't gotten anything wrong yet since I installed it.
I've been using it for quite a while, it's extremely fast here.. and this box is a Celeron 500Mhz (Coppermine) so it's even slower than your box...
I suggest you try the latest RedHat beta also, it seems they have already read your post before and responded to most of your concerns with a proper solution.
The binaries for KDE, etc... are really fast, that includes evolution.
As for the Office stuff, really, I swear, I get tons of
That include inline images, wordart, freaky bullets, tables and autoformated tables, etc...
Also it's much faster than the stable version.
This is why I can really see a future for linux on the desktop.
I think the guys at OpenOffice.org are doing a good job at preventing features from excel that people take from granted to lack on linux as far as I'm concerned... (I'm still refering to the latest release)
And last thing for tonight:
No one ever talked about features from Windows 3.11 in a windows xp world.. I think evolution is much more feature-rich than outlook express, mozilla has more features than IE (and it's more stable, it's prettier (with Orbit theme) is has really cool plugins, etc...), Klipper blows the Windows Clipboard out of the water, KDE is more configurable and faster (3.1)
I have done the following experience on many people around me that have no idea what linux is.
x mms->Winamp
Take a normal computer, install a decent distribution of linux, easy to use like gentoo or red-hat
Change the name of the icons for the applications in this way:
OOwritter->MS-Word
Mozilla->Internet Explorer
licq->ICQ
kmail->Outlook Express
Evolution->Outlook
Gnucash->QuickBook
Home->Explorer
and see what you get.
I have to say it was quite impressive.
They all did everything they wanted on that computer, everything worked out just great and some of them didn't even notice the changes between applications.
That also covers the "people use windows because they're used to it". Ship a new computer with linux with apps named that way and people will use it and buy it.
Installing linux would indeed cost companies money, but that's not the problem since they would get all that money back and more quickly by not renewing licenses and upgrading to windows ++
Linux is pretty darn idiot proof... I've seen some stupid morons install it and run it just fine...
The category of people that has trouble with it is power-users because they need this one special windows application that makes them look busy or cool, or they want their GUI to behave in a very specific way and they have no idea how to configure KDE or Gnome to behave in these ways, heck, they don't even know what KDE or Gnome is or that they're using it right now.
So they just go back to windows saying that linux is nice but their cool application doesn't work on it and it's harder to configure.
On your last point however, you're right on the money... I don't see linux dominating the market any time soon either, but I see it coming along just nicely and I definitely see it stepping through that door.
I'm actually an advocate of linux on the desktop (yes I am) and it seems those points you mentionned don't make much sense, here's why.
:)
- Linux GUIs are faster and faster at each version. Gnome2 for example was totally re-coded with performance in mind and behaves much better now, KDE 3.1 (still a release candidate but still) on this box is working SO much faster than XP did on the SAME box !
- Since I've been running linux on my desktop, I have not yet had one problem reading any PPT, DOC, etc... documents... not once... sorry. And I get a lot of ppt and doc files sent to me daily
- I have had problems with some applications, contacted the mailing list, and the solution was sent to me a few minutes later... no RTFM.
- I use Evolution for my email/calendar/tasklist/contact management stuff, it has everything I could ever use and more... I have used kmail in the past, I've never had any real problem with it.
- Recent linux distributions based on more recent and less backward-compatible glibc usually have some kind of package management system that will not only save you from searching on freshmeat, but also install directly the application for you.
emerge gnucash
apt-get install gnucash
synaptic->gnucash
and so on... You have now installed the latest version of an excellent financial software, which, may I add, will read files from other windows software like Quickbook or Quicken without a glitch
- I use daily applications for all my needs, none of them are poorly written at all. licq is stable as a rock, xmms plays music just perfectly, evolution still handles my emails (without a virus or worm or anything like that infesting my computer), mozilla works like a charm and KDE 3.1 is just a dream. Although all those applications work in a much superior fashion than equivalent applications on windows, they ARE skinnable indeed
- Companies such as the Kompany, RedHat, Suse, etc... actually DO have some marketing people that make your desktop look just like you want it to look like as a user and to behave.
My desktop right now looks simply amazing, yet is really fast and everything is at hand. My girlfriend uses it every time she comes, all my friends really love the way it's set up and even my mom used it and didn't have a problem doing everything she needed to do.
- and for the support thing, companies like Suse, RedHat, Mandrake, etc... DO offer commercial (cheap) support for pretty much all the applications shipped with their distributions, in fact, and I speak from experience, these companies go way beyond that by helping out users with applications not "officially" supported, and also collect bug-reports and offer patches to the original developer of the software to fix the problem for them (http://www.redhat.com/bugzilla) for example.
- Whoever wrote that has NO idea of how much a business license for Microsoft Windows costs... it's not even close to $200. Tell this person to add many zeros to that number.
I think linux is still very young on the desktop OS market but it's doing a great job and I'm very impressed by how fast it's moving forward... KDE, Gnome, Evolution, OpenOffice, etc... all these software are working on a new development version right now that's purely amazing... I can't wait to see what it will be like by the end of the year 2003 !
Funny.
Note that if you're able to make your own translation, you probably don't *need* a translation.
Ok let's assume everytime someone sells something it means it sucks. :
Search for Macs on ebay:
Then searching for PC
Using your very intelligent reasoning, come back when windows xp works on mac.
I don't even use macs by the way, I just think you're acting really stupid.
Hi,
The guy was SELLING the Mac, not BUYING it.
You are a morron.
Good day.
Here's what I just read:
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Debian is better than RedHat because
- The software package on RedHat is outdated... well it's not but it could be
- RedHat sucks... well it doesn't but it could
- There is no good software package on the main archive... well, there is, but, you know...
- Debian has apt-get and no other distro has it hahaha (Though RedHat has apt-get too and Gentoo has emerge, which goes far beyond apt...)
http://www.gentoo.org
http://freshrpms.net/apt
Well the reason why is because it's very convenient..
I can set up samba the way I want it to act in a matter of minutes on any new box on my network and it will run immediately.
There's probably better out there but I have no need for it, my file transfers work just fine, my remote mounts are in my fstab and my links work with it really well, it just makes life so much easier...
The fact that it's compatible with Windows implementation is simply a bonus but a good one if any of my friend want to converge on my network for a day with his windows laptop...
You seem to be forgetting that samba is _not_ used only for compatibility with existing microsoft network. :)
I don't run windows on any of my boxes here but they all use samba for sharing files, partitions and printers.
If microsoft wants to show me that my castle is not so big, I welcome them to make any change they want to their implementation of the protocol, while I'll just watch from my castle
I got rid of windows on all my workstations.
I only buy hardware that I know is supported or will be supported because the hardware manufacturer provides drivers or collaborations with *nix developers, and for those other hardware manufacturers, that's too damn bad... they don't care about me and the feeling is mutual.
My Hardware is not outdated nor more expensive.
For remote desktop, I've heard there was a really nice tool coming with KDE 3.1 to address this issue, VNC is also a good idea, personally I still think SSH blows any XP-RemoteDesktop, VNC or any of that crap.
Heck in the proper bug-infested environment a cat can *thrive*
I have a windows box somewhere, it will do just fine for my new kitty I'm planning on getting around christmas.
If I ever have to spend cash on a device that makes my interactive pr0n sessions more realistic, I'll wait for the next step when I can actually feel what's on the screen.
I have to say I disagree with your first argument. Database abstraction is a very convenient thing, especially to port applications. However, using a workaround query to replace an embeded algorithm will in certain cases cause you severe performance problems. Just run the benchmarks for yourself with PEAR, you will add great flexibility but if you really want to focus your application on performance, you will find a more addapted algorithm and reduce the amount of overhead. Agreed in some cases the difference might not be worth using the old way but there is still a need for it in some applications. That was my point. Also I would add that many developers didn't even switch to the new $_* arrays, I don't think they will ever switch to a different database access method. And I didn't notice compilation problems with PHP's include and require tree but my include/require tree has never exceeded the 10/11 files. And as for calling this "the problem with PHP", I simply never heard that argument before and if the problem can be identified and exposed, most certainly it will be fixed rapidly. And I'll skip the sarcasm since you're familiar with the subject you're talking about :)
If my memory is correct, you will find what you are looking for at pear.php.net
The ORBit project moved there.
Abstraction or Performance is a trade-off
Do we want to allow the professional to create a robust and fast application adapted to a specific database without giving too much overhead ?
Yes we do!
Even though we risk other users who do not read the manual to shoot themselves in the foot ?
I'm sorry but yes we do!
I actually use PHP to do entreprise programming actually and the applications scale perfectly to multiple servers, large databases and frameworks.
The Java AND python integration is perfect and creating C extensions give you an edge.
That is, if all your knowledge is not based on other "scripting" languages... but that's not the case since you're an entreprise developer, right ?
Even better, if you're using mozilla, you may want to try "EasySearch", which is kind of like the google toolbar but you can setup your search engines to google groups, php.net, ebay, etc...
And I agree, I use the php.net's search from URL all the time...
http://www.php.net/function_name will not only show you the manual for function_name but will also launch a full search on the whole website if it didn't find the appropriate function...
I wish google had that...
So basically you're saying:
I'm talking about a book that I have not read.
However, I read another book that sucked.
so it must suck.
Sorry, doesn't make any sense to me...
Or you can simply use the following code:
import_request_variables("GPCS"); at the beginning of your script or even better, include file, and all your request variables will be imported from the $_* arrays right into the global scope.
In this example, it will override in the following order:
Get, Post, Cookies and Session.