your right, all those damn nimda infected desktop PC's had top secret info on them.
hey i cracked grandma's PC with code red..... look birthday photos !!!!
thats what i would classify as a yawn.
then you have the --> i just cracked IBM's (insert corporate type.) desktop.... prototype designs...... i could sell these.....
not saying that either will or has happend. but which would you fear more as an executive at HP , Sun, IBM et al ? your consumer end products getting hosed because of microsofts boo-boo. or your corporate infrastructure getting hosed ?
and yes i happen to work at one of the above mentioned companies and we easily run 30% of our desktops on linux. (with plans to get 80% to linux by the end of '03) (the other 20% is being kept for R&D and support purposes)
and if you were talking about unix...... well get your head checked.
first there is this:
# Share music, video, or data files, with managed access by user name or group
# Built-in disk utilities - backup, self test, scandisk, defrag
which means it has some version of windows utils. since "scandisk" and "defrag" AFAIK do not and never have run under linux.
and the more interesting part is the "user name or group" aspect. that strikes me as windows file sharing.
and then of course there is also the fact that it actually "requires" a windows PC.
i however think rolling your own is a much better deal if you RTFM and know what your doing. SunCobalt products are for the dumbest of the dumb if ya ask me. (or maybe the laziest of the lazy.)
cause last time i checked...(checking).... my firewall was at 432 days. and its running a 2.2 series kernel. (2.2.9 on redhat 5.3).
our main web/DB server has had a total of three hours of downtime in the past two years (20 or so months actually).
and the only reason it was down was a failed hard drive once and a local move another time.(the server was down. but not the site. redundancy is a good thing.) (moved from one building to another in the same city.)
and yes i will admit our site is not heavily hit by any means.
they are a good band as well. (although there album is hard to find in the US and expensive as hell when you do find it.) they do have a few mp3's on there site.
yes it is bad to be smart and invent stuff. you get picked on in high school.
major downside.
just look at all the unsuccessful geeks...... einstien, leonardo, michealangelo, so on and so forth. i mean i can't think of anybody who did anything great and was a geek.
*caution this is called sarcasm. if you dont get it dont say a DAMN THING !*
he is planning on adopting on sometime in 2003. he could be talking next fall. that gives him 6-9 months worth of saving money towards the baby. this is a smart thing to do.
if he is really smart he'll stash some of it in long term investments.
i do have to agree that a boycott isnt feasable. if for no other reason than the fact that the "average consumer" wont boycott. and the **AA's will still make money hand over fist. and blame whatever small *blip* shows up on their bottom line on "thievery".
the best way to do it would be to create a major "alternative" (imagine a mediaplay type of store that only sold indy stuff.) so that joe shcmoe can still "go to the store" and pickup the "new hot cd" thats just going to sit on a shelf after a week.
the sad truth is most people just dont care. (hell if most people dont vote why would they care about this?)
is it just me or would somebody else like a black ipod ? i mean im not asking for much just not white (or anything else bright) for godsakes. something less bright, like gray would be fine.
real world computer experience ? you mean like servers and such ? perhaps like the ones i have sitting in a datacom room right near me? yeah i know how they are used. for banks and insurance companies. i also know that "windows" in all its splendor does nothing but create a fallacy. a fallacy that you buy into. i hate to break you the news about your fading empire but not everyone wants to use windows. and most bussiness's are considering going elsewhere. will they ? who knows. but the point is that people are getting sick and tired of listening to closed source proprietary propaganda. and closed source 'old world' zealots like you.
and how exactly does me pointing out that someone is biased towards MS have a damn thing to do with my ability to relate to others ?....... NEWSFLASH: TO MOST OF US/. ISN'T LIFE !!!!.
and yeah your right i am skipping my fourth period gym class.... could you be a bigger imbecile ? i work with servers for a living. i also have several at my house that i play with for fun. and you know what they have in common ? nothing i use or work on runs windows. i havent touched a microsoft product in over a year. and i wont. i have done tech support, consulting and anything else you can think of. and nobody cares what OS you use so long as you can get what you need , and get them what they need. and most companies use only word, outlook, and proprietary software that was built IN HOUSE. and guess what ? openoffice , evolution , and IN HOUSE software can do that for them. and it will cost less at that.
your the type of demented screwball i cant stand. you think your little desktop somehow matters. nobody cares what you run on your desktop. all any company cares about is either
A) bussiness desktop.
B) OEM licenses.
C) servers.
and that is pretty damn self explanatory.
and yes i am pro open source.
but that doesnt mean i dont see a place for proprietary software. i do i see lots of places for it..... the bottom of a dumpster. a landfill. a sewer. i can keep going......
and the worst part about MS is that they create people like you. you fearful little twits. you people are funny to listen to. every single pro MS person on this site is hilarious, for the simple reason that they dont understand OSS or the movement behind it. and that scares the beejeezus out of you. to not be the "top dog". or to not have your little "help" calls from friends and family because you dont know how to "fix that damn linux thing."
oh.... i never went to school for CS. and i still think the UI is secondhand to making something FRIGGIN WORK !
*"programming and REALLY digging into all the really neat underbelly of the system"
may i make a recomendation of something like Gentoo ?
if you really want to get into the guts of a system it is the best distro (IMHO) for it.
you'll learn just from doing a full install.
i have never used mandrake, so i cant say much positive or negative about it. however typing 'emerge app' and having the system download and compile (based on flags already entered into/etc/make.conf) every one of the dependancies from source is pretty damn sweet.
**before anybody flames me i am well aware that there needs to be source availible before it can be built from source.
if you bothered to do a little reading. (this is something us literate "old folks" do.) you would know i am anything but that. you insistent little flamer.
"Excel Power user." --- you really are a fucking twit now arent you.
i suppose i am wasting my time on this but since you seem to lack inntelligence i will try and do what your parents and video games have not....... educate you. what my post was is called "humor" we adults sometimes use something called "sarcasm". where as you little "mistakes *" try too be wise asses and post "flames **".
and considering this is being posted past your bedtime i wont expect a response til tomorrow afternoon.
*- this is what I (and your mother has well.) call people who were supposed to be a blowjob.
** - this is something less intelligent people do to try and look cool. this can also be something that some angry teenager would post. or a disgruntled Excel accountant.
to qouteth : "UI design is one of the most important parts of a project, and the vast majority of OSS projects seem to slap it on as an afterthought."
thats because to most of us in the OSS world it IS a secondary issue. yeah to us it is way more important to get a piece of software that WORKS 100% of the time(user error or lack of know-how doesnt count) and doesnt crash or break standards that I rely on. (*cough* IE with SSL *cough*). and is secure and patch in a timely manner. hell the entire reason i went to linux was because windows locked up one too many times while i was doing an online transaction.
oh..... it locked up once. and yes once is too many times.
Read the parent post. i am not cleanly stating use OS X. simpy making a counter point to his complaint about a lack of "ooh and ahh" affect. and a "solid" GUI for linux.
i personally use linux. and BSD when neccasary (which is becoming less and less.). but OS X has the best UI plain and simple.
the reason the documentation is so good is BECAUSE of how long it has been around.
the best way to learn is from your own mistakes. and i will almost gaurantee that the people using BSD made their fare share. as does microsoft and apple. and yes i see your point. but you missed mine.
okay..... to start and make a blunt point. you use linux. everybody does. you may not use it on your desktop but you sure as hell go to web sites that run it.
open source applications that can compete with proprietary apps ? Evolution can compete with (and beat) outlook. Gimp can compete with photoshop. Mozilla can compete with IE. (and dont feed me this crap about MS only sites. because anything that is MS only has a shitty web developer/sysadmin. and if they are that bad i dont trust them with my bussiness anyway.)
i can go on and on and on.
the only thing open source isnt doing as well as closed source is the actual display (X in the case of linux) which in turn affects games. so that is the one section linux/OSS is weak in. and most people dont play games on the PC anyway.
and yes there are many more open source things that compete with closed source. such as PHP competing with Java (talking web based not application.) and linux (the base OS [kernel]) competing with windows.
i will however point out too everyone who reads your comment that you seem to approve (like?) of MS. and therefore will/do have a downward opinion of anything non-MS. (i got that impresion from your journal.) the same way many zealots (nimrods ?) preach about linux and BSD around here. you are no different.
oh..... out of steve jobs, scott mcnealy, larry ellison, and bill gates. i would pick gates dead last to run a software company. let alone a monopoly. why? because he is the only one who has proven to be damaging to the industry and other companies. personal affections shouldnt have a damn thing to do with a bussiness decision.
oh, and i would pick jobs first. he seems to care more about the consumer than any of ther other people mentioned.
RedHat 8.0 is the worst POS out of the box linux distro i have ever touched. DONT USE IT !
if you want something warm and cuddly run OSX it beats the crap out of MS and linux in the "ooh and ahh" factor. (which IS what most people want.)
oh and just too point something out. BSD has better documentation because it has been around longer, and because less microsoftees use it. (belive it or not people who convert from microsoft-linux still think like they are using microsoft. for instance they dont post on the message board/mailing list the fix to their issue [if they figure it out.] only thier issue. they dont grasp the concept of 'community' that OSS needs.)
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your right, all those damn nimda infected desktop PC's had top secret info on them.
.... prototype designs ...... i could sell these .....
...... well get your head checked.
hey i cracked grandma's PC with code red..... look birthday photos !!!!
thats what i would classify as a yawn.
then you have the --> i just cracked IBM's (insert corporate type.) desktop
not saying that either will or has happend. but which would you fear more as an executive at HP , Sun, IBM et al ? your consumer end products getting hosed because of microsofts boo-boo. or your corporate infrastructure getting hosed ?
and yes i happen to work at one of the above mentioned companies and we easily run 30% of our desktops on linux. (with plans to get 80% to linux by the end of '03) (the other 20% is being kept for R&D and support purposes)
and if you were talking about unix
just read their site.
first there is this:
# Share music, video, or data files, with managed access by user name or group
# Built-in disk utilities - backup, self test, scandisk, defrag
which means it has some version of windows utils. since "scandisk" and "defrag" AFAIK do not and never have run under linux.
and the more interesting part is the "user name or group" aspect. that strikes me as windows file sharing.
and then of course there is also the fact that it actually "requires" a windows PC.
i belive he was looking for a "linux" based soulution.
and since the linksys requires a windows PC it probably runs windows as well. (not to mention the "scandisk" and "defrag" utilities it has on it.)
not dead by any means.
Qube 3
i however think rolling your own is a much better deal if you RTFM and know what your doing. SunCobalt products are for the dumbest of the dumb if ya ask me. (or maybe the laziest of the lazy.)
uhh .....
...(checking).... my firewall was at 432 days. and its running a 2.2 series kernel. (2.2.9 on redhat 5.3).
define excellent uptime ?
cause last time i checked
our main web/DB server has had a total of three hours of downtime in the past two years (20 or so months actually).
and the only reason it was down was a failed hard drive once and a local move another time.(the server was down. but not the site. redundancy is a good thing.) (moved from one building to another in the same city.)
and yes i will admit our site is not heavily hit by any means.
FYIAOT: as i was cruising i saw you mentioning Interpol.
good band.
give a listen to The Music
they are a good band as well. (although there album is hard to find in the US and expensive as hell when you do find it.) they do have a few mp3's on there site.
and so step forth the admin. the number one guy when it comes to the network has a whole.
what good is a friggin program if you can only access it half the time ? what good is a system or network if they are only "up" half the time ?
nothing !
and whos job is it to keep that stuff running ? the admins.
yes it is bad to be smart and invent stuff. you get picked on in high school.
...... einstien, leonardo, michealangelo, so on and so forth. i mean i can't think of anybody who did anything great and was a geek.
major downside.
just look at all the unsuccessful geeks
*caution this is called sarcasm. if you dont get it dont say a DAMN THING !*
he is planning on adopting on sometime in 2003. he could be talking next fall. that gives him 6-9 months worth of saving money towards the baby. this is a smart thing to do.
if he is really smart he'll stash some of it in long term investments.
i do have to agree that a boycott isnt feasable. if for no other reason than the fact that the "average consumer" wont boycott. and the **AA's will still make money hand over fist. and blame whatever small *blip* shows up on their bottom line on "thievery".
the best way to do it would be to create a major "alternative" (imagine a mediaplay type of store that only sold indy stuff.) so that joe shcmoe can still "go to the store" and pickup the "new hot cd" thats just going to sit on a shelf after a week.
the sad truth is most people just dont care. (hell if most people dont vote why would they care about this?)
your right they dont back open source at ALL
nope not backing it at all
and well your at it do me a favor and call the gnome developers and ask them if sun has thrown any money their way.
here: SGE
its a good piece of software at that.
i have had some experience with it.
is it just me or would somebody else like a black ipod ? i mean im not asking for much just not white (or anything else bright) for godsakes. something less bright, like gray would be fine.
the same reason that Internet Explorer is required for some web sites. RETARDED ADMIN !
get used to it.
real world computer experience ? you mean like servers and such ? perhaps like the ones i have sitting in a datacom room right near me? yeah i know how they are used. for banks and insurance companies. i also know that "windows" in all its splendor does nothing but create a fallacy. a fallacy that you buy into. i hate to break you the news about your fading empire but not everyone wants to use windows. and most bussiness's are considering going elsewhere. will they ? who knows. but the point is that people are getting sick and tired of listening to closed source proprietary propaganda. and closed source 'old world' zealots like you.
....... NEWSFLASH: TO MOST OF US /. ISN'T LIFE !!!!.
.... could you be a bigger imbecile ? i work with servers for a living. i also have several at my house that i play with for fun. and you know what they have in common ? nothing i use or work on runs windows. i havent touched a microsoft product in over a year. and i wont. i have done tech support, consulting and anything else you can think of. and nobody cares what OS you use so long as you can get what you need , and get them what they need. and most companies use only word, outlook, and proprietary software that was built IN HOUSE. and guess what ? openoffice , evolution , and IN HOUSE software can do that for them. and it will cost less at that.
..... the bottom of a dumpster. a landfill. a sewer. i can keep going ......
.... i never went to school for CS. and i still think the UI is secondhand to making something FRIGGIN WORK !
and how exactly does me pointing out that someone is biased towards MS have a damn thing to do with my ability to relate to others ?
and yeah your right i am skipping my fourth period gym class
your the type of demented screwball i cant stand. you think your little desktop somehow matters. nobody cares what you run on your desktop. all any company cares about is either
A) bussiness desktop.
B) OEM licenses.
C) servers.
and that is pretty damn self explanatory.
and yes i am pro open source.
but that doesnt mean i dont see a place for proprietary software. i do i see lots of places for it
and the worst part about MS is that they create people like you. you fearful little twits. you people are funny to listen to. every single pro MS person on this site is hilarious, for the simple reason that they dont understand OSS or the movement behind it. and that scares the beejeezus out of you. to not be the "top dog". or to not have your little "help" calls from friends and family because you dont know how to "fix that damn linux thing."
oh
*"programming and REALLY digging into all the really neat underbelly of the system"
/etc/make.conf) every one of the dependancies from source is pretty damn sweet.
may i make a recomendation of something like Gentoo ?
if you really want to get into the guts of a system it is the best distro (IMHO) for it.
you'll learn just from doing a full install.
i have never used mandrake, so i cant say much positive or negative about it. however typing 'emerge app' and having the system download and compile (based on flags already entered into
**before anybody flames me i am well aware that there needs to be source availible before it can be built from source.
karma whore ?
....... educate you. what my post was is called "humor" we adults sometimes use something called "sarcasm". where as you little "mistakes *" try too be wise asses and post "flames **".
if you bothered to do a little reading. (this is something us literate "old folks" do.) you would know i am anything but that. you insistent little flamer.
"Excel Power user." --- you really are a fucking twit now arent you.
i suppose i am wasting my time on this but since you seem to lack inntelligence i will try and do what your parents and video games have not
and considering this is being posted past your bedtime i wont expect a response til tomorrow afternoon.
*- this is what I (and your mother has well.) call people who were supposed to be a blowjob.
** - this is something less intelligent people do to try and look cool. this can also be something that some angry teenager would post. or a disgruntled Excel accountant.
to qouteth : "UI design is one of the most important parts of a project, and the vast majority of OSS projects seem to slap it on as an afterthought."
..... it locked up once. and yes once is too many times.
thats because to most of us in the OSS world it IS a secondary issue. yeah to us it is way more important to get a piece of software that WORKS 100% of the time(user error or lack of know-how doesnt count) and doesnt crash or break standards that I rely on. (*cough* IE with SSL *cough*). and is secure and patch in a timely manner. hell the entire reason i went to linux was because windows locked up one too many times while i was doing an online transaction.
oh
for the power user: one word and ONLY one word.
BASH !
its all any "power user" needs. (power user. there is a contradiction if ever there was one.)
USER: the word computer professionals use when talking about(or reffering to) an idiot. see also: nimrod, blockhead, microsoftee.
actually considering how much money they make off of windows and office the argument could be made that almost 95% of the price is a "gouging charge".
so maybe this is them leaving a piece of evidence around that says "we rip you off" loud and clear.
something to see after all ?
Read the parent post. i am not cleanly stating use OS X. simpy making a counter point to his complaint about a lack of "ooh and ahh" affect. and a "solid" GUI for linux.
i personally use linux. and BSD when neccasary (which is becoming less and less.). but OS X has the best UI plain and simple.
the reason the documentation is so good is BECAUSE of how long it has been around.
the best way to learn is from your own mistakes. and i will almost gaurantee that the people using BSD made their fare share. as does microsoft and apple. and yes i see your point. but you missed mine.
okay ..... to start and make a blunt point. you use linux. everybody does. you may not use it on your desktop but you sure as hell go to web sites that run it.
..... out of steve jobs, scott mcnealy, larry ellison, and bill gates. i would pick gates dead last to run a software company. let alone a monopoly. why? because he is the only one who has proven to be damaging to the industry and other companies. personal affections shouldnt have a damn thing to do with a bussiness decision.
open source applications that can compete with proprietary apps ? Evolution can compete with (and beat) outlook. Gimp can compete with photoshop. Mozilla can compete with IE. (and dont feed me this crap about MS only sites. because anything that is MS only has a shitty web developer/sysadmin. and if they are that bad i dont trust them with my bussiness anyway.) i can go on and on and on.
the only thing open source isnt doing as well as closed source is the actual display (X in the case of linux) which in turn affects games. so that is the one section linux/OSS is weak in. and most people dont play games on the PC anyway.
and yes there are many more open source things that compete with closed source. such as PHP competing with Java (talking web based not application.) and linux (the base OS [kernel]) competing with windows.
i will however point out too everyone who reads your comment that you seem to approve (like?) of MS. and therefore will/do have a downward opinion of anything non-MS. (i got that impresion from your journal.) the same way many zealots (nimrods ?) preach about linux and BSD around here. you are no different.
oh
oh, and i would pick jobs first. he seems to care more about the consumer than any of ther other people mentioned.
yes it will be mainstream. alot of it already is.
RedHat 8.0 is the worst POS out of the box linux distro i have ever touched. DONT USE IT !
if you want something warm and cuddly run OSX it beats the crap out of MS and linux in the "ooh and ahh" factor. (which IS what most people want.)
oh and just too point something out. BSD has better documentation because it has been around longer, and because less microsoftees use it. (belive it or not people who convert from microsoft-linux still think like they are using microsoft. for instance they dont post on the message board/mailing list the fix to their issue [if they figure it out.] only thier issue. they dont grasp the concept of 'community' that OSS needs.)
they said the same thing about "home movies" sometime in the forties.
see me in 50 years.