but WTF ? does grandma even *know* what OS she is running ? i mean for god sakes all she needs is a web browser , email , maybe an mp3/movie player and AIM. and guess what ? they all run just fine if not BETTER on linux. (i say better because NO BROWSER should ever be part of the OS. its an add on not a neccasity.) anybody who says they want as basic computer and asks me gets redhat. (and depending on how basic they want i usually give them 7.3. cause 8.0 plays microshaft style and breaks alot of shit.) and most people who use there computer dont do jack shnn with it. hell i once had a guy about 2 years ago come up to me in circuit city (yes i *gulp* worked there at one point.) and tell me he wasnt running windows. i asked what he was running and he couldnt tell me so i had him bring in his box and guess wha ? he had deleted every desktop icon on the box. thinking that got rid of windows.
and the moral of the story is: if you dont play games you dont *need* windows. and most people dont have a damn clue what windows *is* exactly anyway.
and yes i am perfectly aware that all the microsoftees are going to flame me about stoopid shit like photoshop. something that most grandma's and un-savvy users dont use to begin with.
"I can not copy a single config file from Mandrake to my Suse System... because both keep their config data in totaly different stores."
thats wrong. if you switch from SuSe to Gentoo or Gentoo to Redhat , you can VERY EASILY copy/keep your (standard.) configs. if your having a problem finding it do '$ locate x.conf' wala copy your old config over the new one. [dont forget to make a backup]
(obviously this only applies to things that are availible on EVERY distro. (and are standard) such as xfree configs , sendmail, or.bashrc etc....)
copying a redhat specific config to slackware wont do you much more good than it would for you to copy a windows XP config to a windows 95 box. or a 3.1 config to a 2k box.
obviosly the "well engineered" projects will make/keep standard configs/backwards compatibility (to a certain degree anyway.)
oh and one more thing ---- once LSB becomes more common and people *cough* REDHAT *cough* stop bastardizing everything then what will your reason be ?
"ii) I have a running Windows system. Why should I kick everything I have on it?"
probably the same reason most people do - it sucks. face it windows is good only for people who turn their PC's off at night and use them one hour a day. (and gamers)
windows allows you NO GROWTH. they think they should control your whole damn system. when you update , how you update, what you update.(even if it breaks the hell out of something) do they control everything yet ? nope. will they ? probably , has long has people like you keep paying to upgrade to the next security bug.
and no i dont do windows. havent touched windows in over 2 years, and probably never will again.
oh and let me ask you something.
when you first started learning on a computer did you automatically "know" everything about it ? or did you have to learn about it ? did you sometimes get frustrated ? okay if you are like most people you got frustrated, confused etc. so why is it you expect to learn a completely new OS/setup and not have the same problems ?
query 'microsoft bug'
return: Results 1 - 10 of about 1,280,000. Search took 0.21 seconds.
yeah. they have a whopping 170,000 less PUBLIC bugs than we do. damn. now think about the fact that all of our bugs can be SEEN and actually FIXED by people not being paid by a cartel/conglamorate/*instert bad word thingy here* (whos best interests it is in to hide such things.)
wow they must really have us beat.
anybody wanna do a search on security flaws ? ? ?
i do *on every level* agree that mas OS X is sweet, and a better os "out of the box" (gentoo doesnt come in a box.) especially for people coming from windows.
however for the pure *customization* of the system, linux beats everything else with a bat. (a very BIG bat, with pointy metal objects sticking out of it.) but most people dont care about that. and yes i refer most people i know too mac now. why ? because most of them _get_it_ alot quicker (and hence saves me the "this is linux" ordeal.).
and i do apologize if i sounded like i was mudslinging but i do not appriciate it if/when people say things that are incorect and generally taken from
a. other peoples opinions.
b. popular opinions.
i can greatly appriciate people who critisize (sp?)things because of their own opinions AND experiences. and i even agree that alot ***COUGH ^BITKEEPER^ COUGH**** of things in the OSS world are F.O.S. contradictions.
but so are most people.
so i guess one just reflects the other.
okay i didnt know maya didnt run on solaris. sue me.
but I'll put some serious money on it if you think you can build ANY x86 dual proc. system that would beat a sun blade 2000 in any damn thing. the Sun Blades might not be as good as the SGI's (or they may be, but like i said - i dont have the hardware to test it with.) but x86 is on the bottom of any pile as far as computation goes. and yeah rendering (depending on what type of rendering) is a CPU heavy thing. and damned to hell if the dual p4 XEON system all these x86 people keep recomending can even come close to touching the sun blade 2000.
hell if you wanna get technical you could put linux on the sparc hardware. (and yes it runs just fine i have a dual proc sparcstation right next to me and everything works under linux BETTER than it works under the newer versions of solaris)(and yes the hardware is rather slow)
one possibility is a pimped out linux box. obviously you will NOT find the same quality hardware for a intel based box as you would for a try "heavy duty" unix box. est price: $ 5,000
you could get a Sun Blade 2000. [price/config ] which would TOAST anything else people have brought up in I/O , and pure CPU power.
est price: $ 20,000
you could go the mac route mac which is the best combo of price/usability (ie you get all sort of cool little apps to run and can use it has a full desktop system, and be "cool") est price: $7,000
and of course the SGI which you already have priced/configured. i know enough about SGI to know that they are very solid boxes, but i have a hard time thinking that a single (or dual) 600Mhz Mips would beat a dual 1Ghz Sparc. of course i dont have either one here to benchmark so i maybe wrong.
to be honest i would go with the sun box. if for no other reason than it has the most powerful overall setup. bar none.
Solaris is not a "fun and cuddly" OS but it wont EVER crash and it has a very high end graphics card (if you choose it in the "config").
the Lintel system will be the cheapest hands down since you wont have any "extra software tax" (obviously maya still costs $$$)
i also think *not sure* you could probally get the sun box down to 15,000 with cutting some stuff out of the config and haggling the sales rep.
to qoute : "LINUX:
* Few software options for general purpose stuff
* The fastest, cheapest hardware
* You might have horrible driver problems.
* No Photoshop/Illustrator/etc
* A drab user interface experience, based largely on Windows "
okay first *few software options for general purpose stuff* ? care to elaborate ? that sentance should read "i dont know where to look for apps that work with linux, so i am going to make a very bold a broad statement"
next "horrible driver problems" ? with what ? i have been using linux for 2 years and yeah there used to be horrible issues with SOME drivers but most high end video stuff (what we are discussing) is developped by the company who makes the card ( ie nVIDIA makes there high end [and all for that matter] drivers for linux , so does ATI [low end is handled by the xfree crew , but high end is handled by ATI]).
"no photoshop" use GIMP ! you might not be used to it , but you werent used to photoshop when you started either.
and my favorite part of this post "A drab user interface experience, based largely on Windows" , and what window manager were you using ? i know of about 10, and of those KDE and GNOME are the two that have some features (most) based on windows. try using any type of *box window manager (fluxbox,blackbox etc...) or enlightenment. they look/act nothing like windows.
next time you post something like this either be informed or put something like *mac lover: dont know linux* as the header because those statements you just made are pretty sweeping, very broad and by-and-large WAY WAY off the mark.
i will give mac credit, they have a good GUI and more "default install" software for what this guy is looking for, and if he is a microsoftee he will probally handle that transition much better than the one too linux.
mod parent up. (funny)
i have an indigo 2 on my desk and its uptime is pushing 300 days. and the last time it went down was because of a power outage, and no its not on a UPS.
"Next, I set up exactly the same server environment both under Mac OS X and under Linux with the 2.4.19 kernel. I always made sure to use the same version of the server software both under OS X and Linux, each time re-compiling the binaries from source locally with the 2.95 gcc compiler, which is available on both platforms. The compiler itself was also locally re-compiled, taking all reasonable optimizations into consideration.
Since for the life of me I couldn't figure out how to shut down the GUI environment of OS X, I configured a simple VGA X server for Linux and started KDE, just to have a fair basis for comparison. "
now before i go off on a flaming tangent i will simply ask if OS X will run WELL without a GUI. i dont use macs, and dont really care to (but i would be more than happy to tout mac over winslow) but if this is possible and mac OS X has a powerful shell (BASH , korn, tcsh ?) then i could see it helping significantly with dethroning the king (that'd be MS) .
so to all you OS X geeks out their- "does OS X have the capacity to run purely from the shell ?"
also of note " can you customize a kernel under OS X?"
and exactly how much of a load does the OS X gui put onto the box ? is it comparable with what X does ?
this is bad. not good. for one simple reason - you are still getting hosed. $.99 is a rip off when you have to pay for the bandwidth, and the materials (blank cd) to make a single track usefull.
not to mention the only reason i use p2p is to find non-mainstream non-commercial stuff. if i wanted to listen to some friggin skinny blonde chick sing about her teenage crush i would go buy her CD ! i want indie artists and sampling.
if you dont own the CD how are you supposed to know what you want to download ? pay $.99 per track off the album plus for your bandwidth and the blank CD ? so....
15 songs 15 x.99
1 blank cd 1 x 1.00 (guessing)
bandwidth.30 (guessing)
= $ 16.15 per CD.
wow that sounds like its STILL A FRIGGIN RIPOFF !
ill give them credit when they come up with a better soulution for ME ! the CUSTOMER. NOT THEM the EVIL MEGA-CORP.
although i will give them credit for trying. albiet a shitty attempt.
nah no need for the guillotine. just put him in the stocks with balmer and send them to finland (or some other pro-open source country) and let them have their way with them.......
"Trusted" applications in Palladium run in a protected data space. As such, it is impossible (barring bugs in the hardware) for other applications to access their memory, etc.
wow, are you freakin braindead ? there is no such thing as a 100% secure anything. unless it isnt
a) running.
b) accessable (by human or machine)
c) connected
if these so called "secure applications" or "trusted applications" (i call them pieces of sh!t like all other MS code) run. are accessable to a user (trusted or not, getting access as a trusted user is a whole different issue) or accessable to the system. or have access to the internet/network then they are vulnerable. and if you think microshaft is soooooo good at coding securely (i truly belive this is just one big patch to cover all the holes in IIS outlook etc... but thats another rant) that somewhere in the system they have the ability to code a "hackproof" layer , well your high. or your an MS employee. and just for shits and giggles i'll explain:
you have a system (a PC for the sake of argument) that is running on a 90% uptime cable modem. so it accessable to the internet. right ? ok. whats going to keep a piece of code frmo hitting this system and exposing/exploiting some POS code MS put on the system ? hardware ? hardware is usually controlled by software at SOME level (BIOS, OS whatever) so it is accessable. (albeit low-level) so what exactly are they accomplishing ? making it harder to get to the actual "guts" of the system from the outside ? not really. all you would have to do is craft some sort of machine code to "open" the secure hardware. (and dont give me this "impossible" cruft because NOTHING is impossible. it might take time but mark my words someone will do it) once you are past the hardware you now have access to the guts of the system. and i dont care who coded it. there is NO SUCH THING AS a piece of "unhackable" or "uncrackable" software. period. if it can be done it can be undone.
but thats not the big point. i can debate how secure this is til i am blue in the face. the real question is what does this accomplish ? and at what price ?
generally speaking the "hardware" will cost more (if they build DRM onto something its going to cost more.). the fair use rights go to hell. if I make an MP3 of my band then send it to a friend who cannot play it or burn it to a cd because its not "trusted". and if it is trusted and can be run by the OS, well that defeats the purpose of this whole thing. (if i can run anything i want then the system is flawed. period. cause all i would have to do is run my speaker-out to my A/V reciever and then to my A/V cd/dvd burner)
and your analogy of running any software you want is only half right. the way i understand it is untrusted apps or media will only have certain abilities. copying "trusted" files with an "untrusted app" isnt going to work. and vice-versa
but if you want to trust them go ahead. just dont expect me to.
in short it states "Overall, Microsoft and its employees were the country's fifth-largest political donor in the 2000 election -- contributing $4.7 million to politicians and their committees. Republicans received about 53 percent of that money. "
more like not having a "good" edumaction means you haven't gone to the proper school or aren't in debt far enough to be a capitalist type slave (read: corporate drone)
and if you think i am incorrect i would challenge you to prove me wrong. but since you presumably have a "good" education you will think everything you say is right no matter what i come up with to rebuff your point.
cut and dry of it is - some people dont like listening for hours on end to old windbags give lectures about the intricacies of the 8086 he learned on. we would rather do it than hear about it. and if you think that makes us deficient at doing our job your wrong. dont make assumptions either way. period. some college students are rock-hard-dehydrated-stupid. so are some non-college students. but niether completely fall into either catagory.
and before you troll me - i contradicted myself to make a point
first off i didnt vote for a rebuplicrat or demipublican. i voted for nader. he is a dipshit hippy. but he is a change and we need change.
and the polls will always be the same way. split 40 here 40 there and the other 10 voting nader. WHY? because no matter how much you may hate it elections in this country are bought. period.
oh and also of note - MSFT paid 1.7mil (if i remember the amount correctly) for GORE. not bush. microsoft doesnt want a rebuplican in charge because rebuplicans are more likely to break them up. (see reagan admin. with ma bell)
not to mention even though clinton had his sh!t together gore is a muckup. mr "i invented the internet" can get bent. (i doubt he knows the difference between internet and intranet)
america today is not america of the past. its all about greed. corporate and invidual. bar none.
" The american government is quick to drop bombs on other countries and people but when dealing with their own they can't do a damn thing. "
actually what bothers me most is that they can but WONT do anything. which is what i think bothers alot of 'informed' americans. the US gov't is backing mega corps or conglamorates over "average joe". and thats not how this gov't was SUPPOSED TO BE. it was supposed to be "for the people by the people and of the people".
take a poll. how many americans wanna be raped by the mega-corps ?
and belive me this goes past micro$haft. as much as i hate them this is a much much bigger issue than just micro$haft.
i mean think about it, how many people are employeed by the RIAA and MPAA combined ? how about in the US alone ? and Microsoft ? a good amount right ? how many americans are having their rights stripped away ? alot more than would profit from letting micro$haft continue thier prctices. or too continue ignoring the current practices of the **aa's.
to put it simple - the american gov't is letting americans down. weather they know it or not. this is just a case in point.
microsoft finds a way to keep closed even when told to open up
is it just me or does this remind anyone else of the whole "we are going to release our source..... only to certain [*wink* *wink*] customers"
RIGHT.... SURE......
Slashdot Mirror
high speed access to your rights ?
just think of all the extra bandwidth the spyware from big brother will take up when 'phoning home'.
not to be blatantly hostile .......
but WTF ? does grandma even *know* what OS she is running ? i mean for god sakes all she needs is a web browser , email , maybe an mp3/movie player and AIM. and guess what ? they all run just fine if not BETTER on linux. (i say better because NO BROWSER should ever be part of the OS. its an add on not a neccasity.) anybody who says they want as basic computer and asks me gets redhat. (and depending on how basic they want i usually give them 7.3. cause 8.0 plays microshaft style and breaks alot of shit.) and most people who use there computer dont do jack shnn with it. hell i once had a guy about 2 years ago come up to me in circuit city (yes i *gulp* worked there at one point.) and tell me he wasnt running windows. i asked what he was running and he couldnt tell me so i had him bring in his box and guess wha ? he had deleted every desktop icon on the box. thinking that got rid of windows.
and the moral of the story is: if you dont play games you dont *need* windows. and most people dont have a damn clue what windows *is* exactly anyway.
and yes i am perfectly aware that all the microsoftees are going to flame me about stoopid shit like photoshop. something that most grandma's and un-savvy users dont use to begin with.
"I can not copy a single config file from Mandrake to my Suse System ... because both keep their config data in totaly different stores."
.bashrc etc....)
thats wrong. if you switch from SuSe to Gentoo or Gentoo to Redhat , you can VERY EASILY copy/keep your (standard.) configs. if your having a problem finding it do '$ locate x.conf' wala copy your old config over the new one. [dont forget to make a backup]
(obviously this only applies to things that are availible on EVERY distro. (and are standard) such as xfree configs , sendmail, or
copying a redhat specific config to slackware wont do you much more good than it would for you to copy a windows XP config to a windows 95 box. or a 3.1 config to a 2k box.
obviosly the "well engineered" projects will make/keep standard configs/backwards compatibility (to a certain degree anyway.)
oh and one more thing ---- once LSB becomes more common and people *cough* REDHAT *cough* stop bastardizing everything then what will your reason be ?
"ii) I have a running Windows system. Why should I kick everything I have on it?"
probably the same reason most people do - it sucks. face it windows is good only for people who turn their PC's off at night and use them one hour a day. (and gamers) windows allows you NO GROWTH. they think they should control your whole damn system. when you update , how you update, what you update.(even if it breaks the hell out of something) do they control everything yet ? nope. will they ? probably , has long has people like you keep paying to upgrade to the next security bug.
and no i dont do windows. havent touched windows in over 2 years, and probably never will again.
oh and let me ask you something.
when you first started learning on a computer did you automatically "know" everything about it ? or did you have to learn about it ? did you sometimes get frustrated ? okay if you are like most people you got frustrated, confused etc. so why is it you expect to learn a completely new OS/setup and not have the same problems ?
query 'microsoft bug'
return: Results 1 - 10 of about 1,280,000. Search took 0.21 seconds.
yeah. they have a whopping 170,000 less PUBLIC bugs than we do. damn. now think about the fact that all of our bugs can be SEEN and actually FIXED by people not being paid by a cartel/conglamorate/*instert bad word thingy here* (whos best interests it is in to hide such things.)
wow they must really have us beat.
anybody wanna do a search on security flaws ? ? ?
truly it depends. (agreeing that is)
i do *on every level* agree that mas OS X is sweet, and a better os "out of the box" (gentoo doesnt come in a box.) especially for people coming from windows.
however for the pure *customization* of the system, linux beats everything else with a bat. (a very BIG bat, with pointy metal objects sticking out of it.) but most people dont care about that. and yes i refer most people i know too mac now. why ? because most of them _get_it_ alot quicker (and hence saves me the "this is linux" ordeal.).
and i do apologize if i sounded like i was mudslinging but i do not appriciate it if/when people say things that are incorect and generally taken from
a. other peoples opinions.
b. popular opinions.
i can greatly appriciate people who critisize (sp?)things because of their own opinions AND experiences. and i even agree that alot ***COUGH ^BITKEEPER^ COUGH**** of things in the OSS world are F.O.S. contradictions.
but so are most people.
so i guess one just reflects the other.
okay i didnt know maya didnt run on solaris. sue me.
but I'll put some serious money on it if you think you can build ANY x86 dual proc. system that would beat a sun blade 2000 in any damn thing. the Sun Blades might not be as good as the SGI's (or they may be, but like i said - i dont have the hardware to test it with.) but x86 is on the bottom of any pile as far as computation goes. and yeah rendering (depending on what type of rendering) is a CPU heavy thing. and damned to hell if the dual p4 XEON system all these x86 people keep recomending can even come close to touching the sun blade 2000.
hell if you wanna get technical you could put linux on the sparc hardware. (and yes it runs just fine i have a dual proc sparcstation right next to me and everything works under linux BETTER than it works under the newer versions of solaris)(and yes the hardware is rather slow)
one possibility is a pimped out linux box. obviously you will NOT find the same quality hardware for a intel based box as you would for a try "heavy duty" unix box.
est price: $ 5,000
you could get a Sun Blade 2000. [price/config ]
which would TOAST anything else people have brought up in I/O , and pure CPU power.
est price: $ 20,000
you could go the mac route mac
which is the best combo of price/usability (ie you get all sort of cool little apps to run and can use it has a full desktop system, and be "cool")
est price: $7,000
and of course the SGI which you already have priced/configured. i know enough about SGI to know that they are very solid boxes, but i have a hard time thinking that a single (or dual) 600Mhz Mips would beat a dual 1Ghz Sparc. of course i dont have either one here to benchmark so i maybe wrong.
to be honest i would go with the sun box. if for no other reason than it has the most powerful overall setup. bar none. Solaris is not a "fun and cuddly" OS but it wont EVER crash and it has a very high end graphics card (if you choose it in the "config").
the Lintel system will be the cheapest hands down since you wont have any "extra software tax" (obviously maya still costs $$$)
i also think *not sure* you could probally get the sun box down to 15,000 with cutting some stuff out of the config and haggling the sales rep.
to qoute : "LINUX: * Few software options for general purpose stuff * The fastest, cheapest hardware * You might have horrible driver problems. * No Photoshop/Illustrator/etc * A drab user interface experience, based largely on Windows "
,blackbox etc ...) or enlightenment. they look/act nothing like windows.
okay first *few software options for general purpose stuff* ? care to elaborate ? that sentance should read "i dont know where to look for apps that work with linux, so i am going to make a very bold a broad statement"
next "horrible driver problems" ? with what ? i have been using linux for 2 years and yeah there used to be horrible issues with SOME drivers but most high end video stuff (what we are discussing) is developped by the company who makes the card ( ie nVIDIA makes there high end [and all for that matter] drivers for linux , so does ATI [low end is handled by the xfree crew , but high end is handled by ATI]).
"no photoshop" use GIMP ! you might not be used to it , but you werent used to photoshop when you started either.
and my favorite part of this post "A drab user interface experience, based largely on Windows" , and what window manager were you using ? i know of about 10, and of those KDE and GNOME are the two that have some features (most) based on windows. try using any type of *box window manager (fluxbox
next time you post something like this either be informed or put something like *mac lover: dont know linux* as the header because those statements you just made are pretty sweeping, very broad and by-and-large WAY WAY off the mark.
i will give mac credit, they have a good GUI and more "default install" software for what this guy is looking for, and if he is a microsoftee he will probally handle that transition much better than the one too linux.
mod parent up. (funny) i have an indigo 2 on my desk and its uptime is pushing 300 days. and the last time it went down was because of a power outage, and no its not on a UPS.
thanx for the info.
mod parent up (i have no mods points today) informative.
"Next, I set up exactly the same server environment both under Mac OS X and under Linux with the 2.4.19 kernel. I always made sure to use the same version of the server software both under OS X and Linux, each time re-compiling the binaries from source locally with the 2.95 gcc compiler, which is available on both platforms. The compiler itself was also locally re-compiled, taking all reasonable optimizations into consideration.
Since for the life of me I couldn't figure out how to shut down the GUI environment of OS X, I configured a simple VGA X server for Linux and started KDE, just to have a fair basis for comparison. "
now before i go off on a flaming tangent i will simply ask if OS X will run WELL without a GUI. i dont use macs, and dont really care to (but i would be more than happy to tout mac over winslow) but if this is possible and mac OS X has a powerful shell (BASH , korn, tcsh ?) then i could see it helping significantly with dethroning the king (that'd be MS) .
so to all you OS X geeks out their- "does OS X have the capacity to run purely from the shell ?"
also of note " can you customize a kernel under OS X?"
and exactly how much of a load does the OS X gui put onto the box ? is it comparable with what X does ?
two words : phone line.
i dont got one (cell) . so they cant tell me if its availible in my area. as is the norm with DSL people.
i wouldnt say its too expensive.
... find out) album is right ?
.99 per song to find out it sucks ?
i would say its a FRIGGIN RIPOFF !
not to mention how do i pre-view a track or album ? what do i return the mp3 for my money-back ?
i mean really, i dont watch MindlessTrashVision or listen to the corporate monopoly known has radio.
so exactly how am i supposed to know if the guy on amazon that is raving about the new Q.O.T.S.A. (if you dont know
pay the
then i paid just has much as i would have for the CD !
this is bad. not good. for one simple reason - you are still getting hosed. $.99 is a rip off when you have to pay for the bandwidth, and the materials (blank cd) to make a single track usefull.
.... .99 .30 (guessing)
not to mention the only reason i use p2p is to find non-mainstream non-commercial stuff. if i wanted to listen to some friggin skinny blonde chick sing about her teenage crush i would go buy her CD ! i want indie artists and sampling.
if you dont own the CD how are you supposed to know what you want to download ? pay $.99 per track off the album plus for your bandwidth and the blank CD ? so
15 songs 15 x
1 blank cd 1 x 1.00 (guessing)
bandwidth
= $ 16.15 per CD.
wow that sounds like its STILL A FRIGGIN RIPOFF !
ill give them credit when they come up with a better soulution for ME ! the CUSTOMER. NOT THEM the EVIL MEGA-CORP.
although i will give them credit for trying. albiet a shitty attempt.
nah no need for the guillotine. just put him in the stocks with balmer and send them to finland (or some other pro-open source country) and let them have their way with them .......
.....on second thought, guillotine them !
"Trusted" applications in Palladium run in a protected data space. As such, it is impossible (barring bugs in the hardware) for other applications to access their memory, etc.
wow, are you freakin braindead ? there is no such thing as a 100% secure anything. unless it isnt
a) running.
b) accessable (by human or machine)
c) connected
if these so called "secure applications" or "trusted applications" (i call them pieces of sh!t like all other MS code) run. are accessable to a user (trusted or not, getting access as a trusted user is a whole different issue) or accessable to the system. or have access to the internet/network then they are vulnerable. and if you think microshaft is soooooo good at coding securely (i truly belive this is just one big patch to cover all the holes in IIS outlook etc... but thats another rant) that somewhere in the system they have the ability to code a "hackproof" layer , well your high. or your an MS employee. and just for shits and giggles i'll explain:
you have a system (a PC for the sake of argument) that is running on a 90% uptime cable modem. so it accessable to the internet. right ? ok. whats going to keep a piece of code frmo hitting this system and exposing/exploiting some POS code MS put on the system ? hardware ? hardware is usually controlled by software at SOME level (BIOS, OS whatever) so it is accessable. (albeit low-level) so what exactly are they accomplishing ? making it harder to get to the actual "guts" of the system from the outside ? not really. all you would have to do is craft some sort of machine code to "open" the secure hardware. (and dont give me this "impossible" cruft because NOTHING is impossible. it might take time but mark my words someone will do it) once you are past the hardware you now have access to the guts of the system. and i dont care who coded it. there is NO SUCH THING AS a piece of "unhackable" or "uncrackable" software. period. if it can be done it can be undone.
but thats not the big point. i can debate how secure this is til i am blue in the face. the real question is what does this accomplish ? and at what price ?
generally speaking the "hardware" will cost more (if they build DRM onto something its going to cost more.). the fair use rights go to hell. if I make an MP3 of my band then send it to a friend who cannot play it or burn it to a cd because its not "trusted". and if it is trusted and can be run by the OS, well that defeats the purpose of this whole thing. (if i can run anything i want then the system is flawed. period. cause all i would have to do is run my speaker-out to my A/V reciever and then to my A/V cd/dvd burner)
and your analogy of running any software you want is only half right. the way i understand it is untrusted apps or media will only have certain abilities. copying "trusted" files with an "untrusted app" isnt going to work. and vice-versa
but if you want to trust them go ahead. just dont expect me to.
i meant it as a generalization , not an absoulute.
yeah . but look at the years.
after som google-ing i found this
both of us must be right
in short it states "Overall, Microsoft and its employees were the country's fifth-largest political donor in the 2000 election -- contributing $4.7 million to politicians and their committees. Republicans received about 53 percent of that money. "
more like not having a "good" edumaction means you haven't gone to the proper school or aren't in debt far enough to be a capitalist type slave (read: corporate drone)
and if you think i am incorrect i would challenge you to prove me wrong. but since you presumably have a "good" education you will think everything you say is right no matter what i come up with to rebuff your point.
cut and dry of it is - some people dont like listening for hours on end to old windbags give lectures about the intricacies of the 8086 he learned on. we would rather do it than hear about it. and if you think that makes us deficient at doing our job your wrong. dont make assumptions either way. period. some college students are rock-hard-dehydrated-stupid. so are some non-college students. but niether completely fall into either catagory.
and before you troll me - i contradicted myself to make a point
i disagree.
first off i didnt vote for a rebuplicrat or demipublican. i voted for nader. he is a dipshit hippy. but he is a change and we need change.
and the polls will always be the same way. split 40 here 40 there and the other 10 voting nader. WHY? because no matter how much you may hate it elections in this country are bought. period.
oh and also of note - MSFT paid 1.7mil (if i remember the amount correctly) for GORE. not bush. microsoft doesnt want a rebuplican in charge because rebuplicans are more likely to break them up. (see reagan admin. with ma bell)
not to mention even though clinton had his sh!t together gore is a muckup. mr "i invented the internet" can get bent. (i doubt he knows the difference between internet and intranet)
america today is not america of the past. its all about greed. corporate and invidual. bar none.
no biggie
adobe may have turned around a whispered over their shoulder to the feds "charge him anyway" for all we know.
well i must admit i wasnt talking percentage wise, you make a good point. albeit the same one i was trying to make =-)
the issue at hand is that so FEW people profit from backing mega-corps. especially monopolies. it actually hurts alot more people than it helps.
thats all i was saying.
" The american government is quick to drop bombs on other countries and people but when dealing with their own they can't do a damn thing. "
/rant>
actually what bothers me most is that they can but WONT do anything. which is what i think bothers alot of 'informed' americans. the US gov't is backing mega corps or conglamorates over "average joe". and thats not how this gov't was SUPPOSED TO BE. it was supposed to be "for the people by the people and of the people".
take a poll. how many americans wanna be raped by the mega-corps ?
and belive me this goes past micro$haft. as much as i hate them this is a much much bigger issue than just micro$haft.
i mean think about it, how many people are employeed by the RIAA and MPAA combined ? how about in the US alone ? and Microsoft ? a good amount right ? how many americans are having their rights stripped away ? alot more than would profit from letting micro$haft continue thier prctices. or too continue ignoring the current practices of the **aa's.
to put it simple - the american gov't is letting americans down. weather they know it or not. this is just a case in point.
microsoft finds a way to keep closed even when told to open up
..... only to certain [*wink* *wink*] customers"
RIGHT .... SURE ......
is it just me or does this remind anyone else of the whole "we are going to release our source
yeah umm i have one thing to say to that
Says Different
check your sources bud.