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Linux Kernel Bugzilla Launched
paskie writes "Martin J. Bligh of IBM announced
launch of a Bugzilla bug tracking
database for 2.5 linux kernel series - it's at bugme.osdl.org. Finally there will be
some possibility to easily keep track of known bugs without being subscribed to
thousand of mailing lists or googling to death. According to the relevant lkml
thread, kernel developers will still prefer discussions to happen on the
mailing lists, though. The Bugzilla server
and connection is donated by OSDL and IBM
folks administer the database."
In Soviet Russia, Bugzilla launches Linux!
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"Please let me or the supplied mailto URLs know of any problems you encounter, but please be patient with any inital teething problems ;-)"
and don't tell slashdot just yet
Another server bites the dust.
If the developers are still going to prefer the mailing lists, why set up a bugzilla for it? Now there's just one more place to check for bugs. This would only be good if it were going to be used as the only place for reporting bugs. As it is, it'll probably just be an annoyance.
Linux's implementation of TCP/IP successfully connects to goatse.cx:80
Expected result : connection attempt should be rejected.
I'm impressed. The Mozilla bugzilla normally falls over the moment /. looks it's way, which is why it denies a slashdot referral now (if I remember correctly).
:)
Either it's just the fact this one's basically empty at the moment, or he may have some advice for the mozilla folks on properly setting up bugzilla.
bugme.osdl.org
:D
Yeah, and slashdot me also.
Laugh, it's funny.
Orange
Nice subtle troll. Yeah, let's hide our bugs like Microsoft do!
If Mozilla has lots of bugs, its developers need a powerful bug-tracking tool. Bugzilla is what they came up with.
I wonder how long it will be before we get to win a major prize for Linux bug two million. What would the prize be?
Hopefully the buglist won't be as long as Mozilla's is. Maybe we can come out looking OK if we just have a few hundred "issues" in there.
Any unconverted geeks, though...
Time and materials are being donated. What possible problem could you have with that?
Does it honestly matter how the bugs are being tracked, just as long as they are tracked?
EARTH TO LINUS: Track the bugs, then fix them in one big patch. Saves time, effort and bandwidth.
Perhaps I missed it, but I don't see anything in the announcement or on the site that this is using DB2 (what I presume you mean by "IBM's db"). Are you just assuming that's the case because IBM's hosting it?
Many coders are disinclined to use bugs, because they don't necessarily improve code speed.
Whether or not bugs will accelerate any particular program has to be determined
case-by-case. And for most software, the deciding factor should be whether bugs
will simplify development and correctness (theoretically they can, but lots of
developers don't understand bugs and use them wrong).
My company has some realtime networked game for which bugs were an impediment.
Both the rate/duration of screen refreshs and network transmissions were low
enough so they didn't usually interfere with each other in the same bug. But
using bug-safe versions of standard library functions was degrading every other
part of the program with constant locking/unlocking.
So no bugs was faster. (Maybe cleverer people could've made special bug-unsafe
alternative functions to use in contexts where we know inter-bug race conditions
won't occur. But munging around with 2 standard libraries in one program is
riskier than we'd like to deal with)
Is he by chance related to Mary J. Blige?
That's blatently inconsiderate, and intolerably so. It's almost as though paskie and CowboyNeal were intentionally being inconsiderate.
Now maybe it could use a name. How about
Tux-zilla?
None of the links on the /. page or OSDL seem to indicate that the database is IBM's software, just that they're providing the bug database admin labor. Where did you read that IBM's proprietary DB software is being used?
Even if your statement is true, perhaps part of IBM's return on investment is a real-world application study with this bug-tracker as a test case?
Bug 30 Owner: mbligh@aracnet.com (Martin J. Bligh)
Please enter
Exact Kernel version: 2.5.7
Distribution: red hat
Hardware Environment: pc
Software Environment: linux
Problem Description: RMS is too smelly - What do I do?
Steps to reproduce: No god no!!!
I don't see YOU offering to run a Bugzilla for the kernel. Put up or shut up.
I think the 2.5 kernel is about ready for launch.
Just need to clear up this last bug.
And in tomorrow's news, the new Bugzilla that people hoped would allow them to track bugs in the Linux kernel disappears off the net after being slashdotted to death. ;)
Well, all kidding aside, let's hope it will be a great tool to help in development of Linux.
What time is it/will be over there? Check with my iPhone app!
The other day Slashdot had a story about the Lightest of the Linux that were hosted and managed by IBM. There were not even a slight delay in getting the story at any time. Same here. IBM knows how to do these things.
Help fight continental drift.
I guess it's just that some people are optimistic enough that they believe if linux wins on the technical front by huge margins, it can lose on the PR front. If what you say happens, anyhow.
After all, these are the days of corporate accounting fiascos. In the current clime, transparency is a thing to be admired, and this is about as transparent as you can get.
Feature it, it's the timely thing to do, as well as the right thing to do.
For that matter, Microsoft doesn't have much room to cast stones, and if transparency becomes an issue, one can always bring up their stock dilution through options, non-payment of dividends that stockholders are requesting while sitting on $40e9 of cash, and sometimes-questionable donations to charity that look like they generate more revenue than the donation.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
So someone says "please don't slashdot us" and we slashdot them on the same day. That's just low. Come on editors, we need a little responsibility!
Awwww, come on, it's been a DAY already! That's like, MONTHS in the real world!
/* Linus is The One
If you want to keep track of several lists renegade style you could just create a list & subscribe lists to it in a periodic digest format.
What's so special about the database? Keeps you from having to wade through thousands of messages each time? And that's a good thing? Likely it's why there are so many questions. How does anyone expect to understand the linux kernel without really getting a feel for those who write the bugs?
After a while you won't even need the lists after noticing you've got code by 'Racey' Randy or 'Segfault' Sally.
Absolute nonsense! Making bugs public is a virtue of Open Source and Free Software, not a reason to worry. MS, on the other hand, would never go about making all of its warts public.
"The first online gaming system in the world"
Yeah. I used my Apple IIe to play games on America Online in 1984. I'm positive I did not start a revolution.
Back on topic, I think it is excellent that Linux now has an official bug database. Normal humans with no understanding of the internals of a TCP/IP stack or a VM system can now submit/confirm/monitor bugs. I tried to subscribe to the LKML once, just to lurk, but found even that impossible. The sheer amount of traffic on that list just blows my mind. I mean, c'mon, some of us only have 1.5Mbps of downstream bandwidth!
I must admit that it's impressive how the kernel developers can write such long, well-thought-out e-mails and still get any work done.
Karma: Incomprehensible (Mostly affected by posting at +5, reading at -1, and metamoderating everything unfair.)
Or not, linux developers can then point back and show that they have a way to tracking bugs, fixing them and being open.
Less bugs than typical Linux install.
Sorry, but that's a fact. Take off those linux goggles and try looking at the world objectively at least once in your life before you die. It's a kick!
This seems to me that IBM wants to get closer to the kernel bug-tracking which is very important for them to adopt and support Linux on their products, especially on the high-end side. They've got to know the kernel inside out in order to introduce Linux and provide top quality service to prestigious customers.
hey, slashdot is no better than anyplace else... they are trying to sell ads by driving generating traffic.
I dont know about you people, but I dont harbour any fantasy about Slashdot being my living room, full of 500,000 of my closest friends... dont slip into that fantasy.
Here's a question: how much $ did ?which? editors make on the VA Sale? Do you think their priorities/opinions are the same? Do you *really* think the goals of slashdot are the same since VA bought them...?
Slashdot as an entitiy (such as it is) is amoral.
Yes, this is a matter that deserves some concern. IBM have been known to be just as monopolistic and devious as Microsoft, and this may just be a trojan horse to gain some leverage over the kernel development process. IBM will completely own all the information that goes through the system, giving them to power (should they choose to use it) to 'moderate' (or even censor) bug reports in a manner that can direct development in a way which benefits them.
OLPC Australia
You would think the first online gaming system in the world would garner a mention on Slashdot.
You'd think that even trolls would know that online gaming has been around pre-2002.
Yeah, but hink about it this way...
Bug open: 11:54 EST 15/11/2002
Status: Serious
Bug Closed: 17:16 EST 15/11/2002
By: Linus T
How's Microsoft gonna FUD that?!
I'd have to say that the reason you're on version 6 is that each 'major' version has about as many changes as one or two 'minor' changes of linux. Anyway, some of the distributions of linux (which is what you would have to compare windows to) are on version 8 or 9. Versions are all marketing, so why would you even bring it up, even if it was just to troll?
Hey, right now all MS has to do to compile a page of reasons to switch is type "linux bugs" into Google:
(Yeah, I know this is a troll - but hey, I'm bored).
Do you have Linux and a DotPal? Click here now!
exactly, if Microsoft wanted to donate xyz i would not have a problem. why is it that no matter what it is, someone always finds a problem with charity. alterier motives can not happen IF ITS CHARITY.
Its great that the kernel is getting a bugzilla.
However, attention must be drawn to the plight of the poor, unfortunate GCC hackers, who are still having to put up with an inferior bug tracking system, despite a flurry of activity earlier in the year, it seems that little progress has been made on implementation. Lets all hope that GCC hackers don't have to continue to suffer the pain of crappy bug tracking for too much longer.
'sides, in terms of consoles, the Genesis had the ability to go online. :P
IBM is not even hosting it, they're just donating some time to help administer it. Sigh ... people's level of paranoia is just amazing. I'm not sure how you think this is going to mind-control the community somehow.
This is too funny. IBM doing something good for the community and for themselves at the same time? Nothing wrong with at. Altruism and capitlism can go hand and hand. And I am not one to look a gift server in the mouth.
First we have people talking about IBM doing this to control kernel developlemt. This is nuts. IBM understands that Linux is big in the cards for them and they also understand the Free As in Beer Developmental community needs to really have a central repository for this sorta thing.
So IBM cuts loose the space and the DB for it. Throws in an admin or two. Why? Cause they got big money on Linux, they want to move the big corps over to it. So they need the assurance that bugfixes, patches, what have you, is on a reliable server somewhere that will always be around.
Yeah it does benefit them and benefit us. More power to em. OR what we are gonna round robin the server costs every month? We are gonna set up a Paypal Account and each chip in our own unlimited funds in this street paved of gold IT industry we have now?
IBM is a business and it sees that helping the community can help itself. QUID PRO QUO my friends.
IBM was a monopoly, but they also make damn good equipment. Always have. You can go on about a failed run of hard drives, or some bad workstations. But hey happends to all of them...
And this busines that IBM needs to know the kernel inside and out. Ahhh, I do not think anyone needs to be talking out there ass about us teaching IBM anything about operating systems. Much less one ending in *NIX.
IBM is one of the best things to happen to our community. They are making the inroads in the corporate road for us.
JEEZ. Get off the high horse people.
TheFlatline
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
Besides that, we've all seen Linus' response to people trying to "tell him" what to do with his kernel tree.
You'd think even you would know the meaning of troll, especially since you are making a post about them.
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WHO ATE MY BREAKFAST PANTS?
Could be a slightly silly question here - is there a Bugzilla or similar bug tracking site for Apple's OSX?
Sounds familiar? For me to: it reminds me Bill Gates' "gifts" in India.
Technically, no way IBM can prove that DB/2 is better than PostgreSQL. But IBM even doesn't try to do it. No need. A sponsor can dictate its own choice of technology.
Less is more !
Geez guys! Run it through the w3c validator!
We're suppossed to be promoting the standards right?
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
Why introduce this now? Bugzilla is nothing new and either is the linux kernel. Maybe a mailing list sounds outdated as a bugtracking tool but if has got this far with napoleon style management (linus and the maintaners) then maybe this is just going to stir like it stirred the bitkeeper pot.
So people should switch to MS because Linux has bugs in it's 2.5 *DEVELOPMENT* kernel that we're
actively working on fixing. Yeah. Right.
The bugzilla link redirects back to Slashdot now.. any guesses why ?
Besides, if Microsoft did administer a public bug database, they would have to run it on some form of *NIX. Windows doesn't support enough processors!
Karma: Incomprehensible (Mostly affected by posting at +5, reading at -1, and metamoderating everything unfair.)
Searched the web for linux bugs. Results 1 - 10 of about 1,450,000.
Sadly, this is NOT an exaggeration!
I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
He has an excellent point. Why are we allowing Linus to expose our flank to Microsoft?
query 'microsoft bug'
return: Results 1 - 10 of about 1,280,000. Search took 0.21 seconds.
yeah. they have a whopping 170,000 less PUBLIC bugs than we do. damn. now think about the fact that all of our bugs can be SEEN and actually FIXED by people not being paid by a cartel/conglamorate/*instert bad word thingy here* (whos best interests it is in to hide such things.)
wow they must really have us beat.
anybody wanna do a search on security flaws ? ? ?
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." --Albert Einstein
we have OSDN, OSDL, now how about OSDM ? Open Source Developers Magazine?
windows bugs
And the moon men are comming to take you awayyyyyy.
Where did you read that IBM's proprietary DB software is being used?
IBM's DB software is not being used. It is a run-of-the-mill open-source DB.
I don't see YOU doing X. Put up or shut up. You have no right to complain about X if you aren't providing a better situation.
From an earlier /. interview:
Talk to the IBM Linux Hackers
IBM Kernel Hackers Respond
This move is idiotic. No ANON means no more good bug data!!!
I and other go through great efforts to contribute bugs anonymously and through proxies and throwaway email accounts. This new method is a way to help 3 fifferent US gov departments build an updated hacker suspect list.
Th us gov has no less than 3 new small departments that have annual budgets allocated to building dossiers on programmers versed in kernel level skils.
Then they actually illegally TAP these people for months sometimes behind their backs.
It is the us gov's #1tool and #1 strategy for fighting cyber-terrorism : create database of PROGRAMMERS.
They do not rely on college diplomas or mere job classigications on IRS forms.
This move away from mailing lists is the DEATH of quality bug reports specially xritical bugs that compromise security.
I will never use a html interface, except in cyber cafes when out of town, and with semi-facial coverrings, or with 802.11 parked-car web entry. Too much of a hassle, therefore only email will suffice.
And now its WORSE... signal to noise ratio destroyed. Ever check out the number of bugs in these other bug tracking databases once they go web-freindl.... it balloons.
Screw it... the world just got crappier for skilled people who value not being on any US government hacker lists.
IIRC this is a Netscape term, as Zarro Boogs != Zero Bugs, but it's pretty close :-)
hat's a ery ood oint. ever ould icrosoft own hat.
Since we are trolling... M$ bugs = 2,090,000. Microsoft bugs
When "complaining" means "pointless bitching about something you have no involvement in", yes.
That's what they get for assuming that slashdot editors read the links...
How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
Oh ye of little faith...
Windows bugs on google
Searched the web for windows bugs. Results 1 - 100 of about 1,690,000. Search took 0.38 seconds.
The server seems to be quite healthy and a quick query of current bugs surprisingly doesn't show any "First Bug" posts.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.
Ben
Yeah, but isn't that just like when people say "you can mod me down for this but ..." and we all mod them up?
"She's a West Texas girl, just like me" - G.W Bush Iraqis
IBM's not doing this to test DB2, they're doing it to stress-test their new petabyte storage arrays. I hear they're going to set up similar bug-tracking systems for KDE and Gnome. Where else could you find such high-volume data sets?
The kernel has needed something like this for a long time.. kudos to IBM for stepping up.
Unfortunately, the dot-com crash ensued just as I was getting started, and things have been a little too hectic since then for me to do much about it.
A number of people suggested I use bugzilla, and I thought a lot about it, but didn't want to use it, at least not in its current form, because it lacks a feature that I feel is critical for a bug database that is to be used to track operating system development: storage of preset machine configurations.
Perhaps the people with the new kernel bugzilla can put this in.
What I envisisioned was a way for the user to specify the hardware configuration of their machines by drawing on a database of all known hardware. (Just making that database would be a big job in itself). The user could give a name to each configuration.
Then when reporting a bug, the user would be presented with a popup menu or scrolling list of their configuration presets. There would be a way to make variations for a particular bug report, to indicate that a board had been added or removed from the stored preset.
Then the user would upload their kernel .config file.
This would allow the kernel developers to search for combinations of hardware that is or isn't installed along with kernel config options that are selected or not set.
This would help a lot to identify situations where FooBar Corp's ethernet board doesn't work when you've got a WhizzyVideo card installed.
I would also encourage people to report the configurations for successful kernel tests. That would help to build confidence as well as to identify untested areas so more attention could be paid to them.
Unfortunately, I'm just a guy working alone and although some have offerred to help, I have been working too hard just to survive to even coordinate the development of such a database.
However, I have found some time to write some articles on various aspects of Linux and web software quality and post them at the site. Writing is what I like to do to relax when I'm not programming - I write articles like these whenever I can, despite despite what the anklebiters have to say about them.
The OSDL was kind enough to mirror my two kernel testing articles and even translate them into Japanese. You can mirror or translate them if you like, as they are under the GNU Free Documentation License. I would be particularly pleased if any of my articles were translated into more languages.
The two kernel testing articles are:
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Why We Should All Test the New Linux Kernel
(
Japanese translation)
- Using Test Suites to Validate the Linux Kernel
(
Japanese translation)
I should point out that I asked a couple of the larger commercial Linux vendors to contribute to the Linux Quality Database, which would have enabled me to feed myself while developing it, but I got turned down. I find that hard to understand, as it would have benefited them tremendously. I don't want to say who it was that turned me down, as I don't think negative publicity would be productive.But I found the OSDL's interest in my articles quite encouraging.
A lot of people are griping about not being able to file bugs anonymously with bugzilla. I had always intended to allow anonymous bug reports, although I would encourage users to log in so we could follow up with them.
Also some people are saying in other comments that bug reports that aren't emailed to the linux-kernel mailing lists won't be as good as the traditional ones. But I'd like to point out that linux-kernel is one of the highest traffic mailing lists around, and the discussions are extremely technical and often heated. Patches also fall on the floor all the time, as I found when someone posted a patch that fixed the problem I reported when I first subscribed.
I felt then and still feel that linux-kernel is too intimidating for the average linux user, so most will choose not to partipate in kernel QA. A bug database with a nice web interface where the reporter doesn't have to participate in the mailing list traffic can only encourage more people to post bugs. And a bug database would make it possible to log successes without overwhelming the list.
It would also be possible to publish an XML interface to the database, so people could log reports programmatically. That would help for identifying configuration information, for example you could run a program that would do what lspci does and upload it to your account at the bugbase.
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> Where else could you find such high-volume data sets?
pr0n servers - the acid test.
Further, if you search for "Linux bugs" on Usenet, you get 571,000 hits. If you search for "Windows bugs" you get 389,000 hits. Of course, this can only mean one thing: *BSD is dying...
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Doesn't Larry McVoy have some sort of proprietary product we can use? He needs to feed his family and pay his mortgage!
In Soviet Russia Larry McVoy pays you!
In Soviet Russia Linux kernel debugs Bugzilla!
(Yackoff must be rolling over in his grave.)
In Soviet Russia Larry McVoy is Linus' bitch!
Sad, so sad.
snot
Well, google doesn't like searching for "$", it seems to ignore it. A search for "microsoft bugs" ended up with 828,000 hits though so we seem to be "ahead" of them.
/peder
But the again, a linux bug can be a bug in xmms whereas Microsoft doesn't take the blame for any bugs in Winamp.
Now I wonder how many unclosed bugs will be in Linux database when 2.6 is released? Will this be Microsoft's turn to laugh?
MSDOS: 20+ years without remote hole in the default install
Others will pick it up and hopefully some good will come from it.
Thats what open source is all about.
More broken promises and gay articles.
Fag
Does that mean it will be up to poor Martin J. Bligh to bathe RMS? Oh the horror! :)
Laugh! It's a joke.
Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see. - Mark Twain
Well, like the other guy said, we should at least try to be as compatible as possible.
w3c doesn't absolutely require a charset to be specified.
The errors that link came up with didn't deal with any of the items you listed, they're just plain improper html.
Fixing those problems wouldn't hurt anything. Probably wouldn't help either, but like I said in my original post, we should be setting an example and following the standards as much as possible.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
Does anyone else think this name sounds a bit fishy?
Seems like a pointless thing to lie about, but is this legit?
A lot of people have trouble telling the difference between the linux kernel (which is on discussion here) and a Linux OS (which your favorite distro provides you with)
;-)
Try googling for 'linux kernel bugs' and you'll get:
Results 1 - 50 of about 433,000. Search took 0.50 seconds.
1 million less!!! (no doubt all RH bugs
(incase the smily didn't give it away that last line was a joke)
Those extra bugs will be the result of installing s/w which has bugs (eg BIND =)
Any reason why the article points at Mozilla's in-use Bugzilla rather than the Bugzilla project page?
Not many bugs (http://bugme.osdl.org/buglist.cgi?short_desc_type =allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=File+System&pr oduct=IO%2FStorage&product=Memory+Management&produ ct=Networking&product=Other&product=Platform+Speci fic%2FHardware&product=Power+Management&product=Pr ocess+Management&product=Timers&component=ACPI&com ponent=AIO&component=APM&component=Block+Layer&com ponent=Configuration&component=devfs&component=DIO &component=Drivers&component=ext2&component=ext3&c omponent=Flash%2FMemory+Technology+Devices&compone nt=gettimeofday&component=I2O&component=i386&compo nent=IA-64&component=IDE&component=Input+Devices&c omponent=Interval+Timers&component=IPV4&component= IPV6&component=JFS&component=LVM2%2FDM&component=M D&component=MIPS&component=Modules&component=MTTR& component=NFS&component=NUMA%2Fdiscontigem&compone nt=Other&component=PA-RISC&component=Page+Allocato r&component=Parallel&component=PCI&component=PCMCI A&component=PNP%2FHotPlug&component=PPC-32&compone nt=PPC-64&component=Preemption&component=Realtime+ Clock&component=ReiserFS&component=S390-31&compone nt=S390-64&component=Samba%2FSMB&component=Schedul er&component=SCSI&component=SCSI+Drivers&component =Serial&component=Slab+Allocator&component=SPARC32 &component=SPARC64&component=USB&component=VFS&com ponent=Video&version=2.5&long_desc_type=allwordssu bstr&long_desc=&bug_status=OPEN&bug_status=ASSIGNE D&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=APPROVED&bug_stat us=REJECTED&bug_status=DEFERRED&bug_status=CLOSED& resolution=CODE_FIX&resolution=PATCH_ALREADY_AVAIL ABLE&resolution=INVALID&resolution=WILL_NOT_FIX&re solution=WILL_FIX_LATER&resolution=DUPLICATE&resol ution=UNREPRODUCIBLE&resolution=DOCUMENTED&resolut ion=INSUFFICIENT_DATA&resolution=MOVED&resolution= ---&bug_severity=blocking&bug_severity=high&bug_se verity=normal&bug_severity=low&rep_platform=All&em ailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&ema ilassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailcc2=1&email type2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=& changedin=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue =&cmdtype=doit&order=Bug+Number&field0-0-0=noop&ty pe0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= shows 6 bugs) though as its an impovement as we can easily submit Kernel 2.5 bugs, there used to be an unoffical Kernel bugtracker but thats gone. Anyone know if they will start accepting bugs for 2.4/2.2/2.0?
"With Microsoft, you get Windows. With Linux, you get the full house" - unknown
Why does clicking the bugzilla homepage link take me to http://bugzilla.mozilla.org saying report mozilla bugs here instead of the bugzilla website (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/bugzilla/)?
"With Microsoft, you get Windows. With Linux, you get the full house" - unknown
It's almost as though ??????
What does it take for you to get that it isnt as though?
And why nerfing malevolent by inconsiderate ?
More big corps support Linux, that better linux becomes if as long the corps doesn't try to control kernel development, only use the benefits of helping them.
:-)
This is very strategic move from OSDL and IBM cause it helps a lot of linux kernel development thus getting patches faster and because kernel gets better & stabler IBM gets more systems sold with Linux.
Besides Linux needs more corps supporting, because it's they key to Linux grow, i've found using linux a bit of hard because some corps doesn't support linux, biggest problems i've had with Linux is that my printer and scanner isn't supported and some applications what i need simply aren't there, for example Adobe Photoshop, GIMP is simply total crap when compared to Photoshop, even GIMP is very good basic image manipulation software and i prefer GIMP over Paint shop pro for example.
Next biggest problem i had was the thing i was unable to play many games under Linux, only Quakes, Unreal tournament and few others when i'd liked to play Counter-Strike, Capitalism II etc...
Emulating simply isn't the way to do it.
I know it's old news that IBM supports linux but this bug tracker might help those corps which haven't done any native Linux ports before and thus some corps starts supporting Linux, and again when more software comes to Linux IBM gets more systems sold and more people start using Linux.
I just wonder where are all those overclockers who use Linux, i found Linux way more better when i was OC'ng even i couldn't change FSB etc... by software, my old system booted fine at over 1700Mhz to Linux as under wind0ze it left me ~1670Mhz at a good day (1.33Ghz TBird air cooled)
Oh yeah, i tried to stay on topic but i just had to say some other things also
Pulsed Media Seedboxes
Severity: Critical
Subject: Bugzilla slow
Comment: Guys, I just found out from Slashdot, but your site is really really slow. You should do something about that. To help you, I am registering a bug for each page I find to be slow.
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
Bugzilla needs an Usability advisor.
But nevertheless it would be great if we had free bugzilla services to other free projects as well.
Sourgeforge bugreporting is crap.
Others probably prefer Mantis which is not as bloated.
Hmm: Why did it take so long?
Google search for "windows bugs"
Searched the web for windows bugs. Results 1 - 10 of about 1,690,000. Search took 0.13 seconds.
That means one of us could sneak the goatse.cx image in a submitted article. Perhaps even somewhere within a legitimate page that one of us has access to. If it got onto slashdot's front page, it would be a monumental occasion!
Obviously, whoever modded me down never browses at -1, and has never seen a *BSD is dying troll...
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
I wish they had supported wrap= for the textarea tag.
Other than that one, I haven't really found anything wrong with the spec.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
There were 60k bugs in MS's database. Those include dupilicates, wishlist items, and closed bugs. Look at Mozilla's stats. It's getting up to 200k. Sheer number of entries in a database means nothing.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
How to fix Bugzilla
Are these concerns relevant now?
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Men with no respect for life must never be allowed to control the ultimate instruments of death.
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I'm glad to see that the Linux kernel people now have a bug tracking system, but I'm very disappointed that they couldn't find a proprietary one that was good enough. After all, they are enormously more productive now they use Visual SourceSafe for source control. ;-)
Damn. +3 funny? I was being totally serious. I should have left out the exclamation point.
Karma: Incomprehensible (Mostly affected by posting at +5, reading at -1, and metamoderating everything unfair.)
Imagine that Cray computer decides to make a personal computer. It has
a 150 MHz processor, 200 megabytes of RAM, 1500 megabytes of disk
storage, a screen resolution of 4096 x 4096 pixels, relies entirely on
voice recognition for input, fits in your shirt pocket and costs $300.
What's the first question that the computer community asks?
"Is it PC compatible?"
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