Re:How is repacking a GPL'd program theft?
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I haven't read the links either but my understanding is that "credit" is the currency in OSS. So if you don't abide by the OSS license (essentially giving the original author(s) credit, imdemnity and releasing the source of your version) you're stealing.
There was a guy like that where I worked. He didn't even have the decency to clip over a garbage can or a bag...he just clipped and let them fly all over the place. I'm glad that I was in a different row...........
I aggree that if these things got out there would be changes. But no more than any other evolutionary change. Both are equally unpredictable.
If this was to happen at random in nature, it would be amazing and wonderful, but if we caused it due to a desire, its evil bad and distructive, for the same exact reason, because we (Humans) dont know what it will do.
Why is the reaction different?
IIRC according to the theory, it takes a really long time for significant changes to occur. What's happening now is like an "over night" kind of thing. What these guys are doing is taking some genes from one species and putting it into another. That's like recombining the branches on the evolution tree. I've never seen a tree do that or a frog with feathers. It really isn't natural. The point people are trying to make is that you have to have studies on the affects of something like the fish getting into the wild before releasing it in the "wild". It may be harmless, it might not be...who knows? Better to err on the side of caution.
Now, if we could do that to ourselfs, the same 'oh no its bad!' reaction would happen.
But if it was a natural mutation.. for the same thing.. What then?
Would it be bad then too?
Would it be ok?
Why?
When parents have a child that is not "normal", they usually try to correct the deformity. Maybe people are born without legs because nature knows that most of us drive cars now. That doesn't make sense. I know your example was extreme and so is mine.
If evolution as a theory is correct, you'd think that nature would make small changes so as not to upset the balance. Metaphorically not throwing a big rock into a small pool.
So lets look at small changes.
GM grains. They are evil because, why again? They compete with life like everything else and happen to be better than the things they kill off?
From personal experience, I have allergic reactions to GM crops like Canola and Soya. I never had problems with food before now. I have to actually read what is on the labels before I buy something (a good practice anyway). Canola is resistant to pests because it's basically a poison "they" just modify it so that you can tolerate it. If you check out the history of soy you'll see that it was never meant to be eaten (especially at the quantities we injest now). Again, it's modified so we can eat it.
Why do they modify these plants? Just because they're cheaper to grow. What I really don't like is that they also modify the plants so that they are sterile...which means that if you plant these crops in the field, you'll have to buy their patented seeds from them every year (increasing their profits). Sterile not meaning that they don't produce polen which can go anywhere.
I've even heard stories of companines suing farmers because they try to reuse seeds (before they got the sterility right) they produced under patent infringment laws.
What about if we could genetically change a human to not be allergic to something (Say, milk) is that as equally as bad if these changed humans get out and reproduce?
Right now we have both types of humans, the 'older' strains that are allergic to cows milk, and the 'newer' strain that isnt and can drink it.
Its a small gene change but it is no different if we do it or it 'just happens'.
You're not necessarily born with allergies. In the case of milk allergies, you can grow out of them. "old strain" - It's dangerous to start classifying people by what genes they have...think about it...
A fish is a larger change. But its the same example, whats the differce if it just naturally happened? And who are we to say it never would?
Maybe thats just a far out way of thinking, but no one that reacts
"We must save others from our culture." It's like saying that we have to remove liquor stores from around indian reservations and black inner city neighborhoods because they can't be trusted with the freedom to decide for themselves.
Wouldn't you think it was alright to drink "all the time" if there was a liquor store on every corner where you grew up? Being "black" myself...there is a BIG difference between the types of stores/advertising in a predominantly "white" suburban neighborhood (where I live) and where some of my family lives (Brooklyn). Yeah, there's a church on every corner also...but it's easier to do bad than good.:P
The problem with Bhutan is that they have to realize that everything they see may not be real (like you said) but they don't have the experiences we do. Remember "War of the Worlds" when radio was new? Some people actually thought that the earth was being invaded and IIRC some of the first people to see a motion picture ran out of the theatre because they thought the train coming towards them on screen was going to run them over.
Imagine seeing someone getting their head blown off with a shot gun for the first time...without being conditioned...like we are....
We tend to import it from people who don't particularly like us
I'm pretty sure that the Saudi royal family and friends love the U.S. It's the people who they rule over (ruthlessly at times) that don't like the U.S. and see "you" as a supporter of their suffering.
bring the wages (standard of living) up in an area
then leave
people start getting desperate to maintain their current standard
they turn to crime
put them in jail
use the prison labour at a nice low rate that never changes and will never have a union...
#4 Could also be "Turn to terrorism"
There's good profit to be made on steps 3 through 6. Works best when it's a big multinat on step #1 where the people aren't that mobile and it's a relatively small city.
I think you're solving the symptoms and not the cause.
Want to stop exploits? Write good code and have it reviewed, test it, review it again, test again...release and test, review............
Severe punishments or punishment in general are rarely good enough deterrents. Do you have $15 000 to give to the RIAA? I'm sure the millions on Kazaa don't but they trade anyway because they never think about getting caught.
The solution...education/ethics training. You have to teach people not to be assholes BEFORE they become assholes...not wait until they do something crazy and then hand out a stiff punishment and claim you're doing something *now*.
My motto: You can't stop crazy people but you can stop people from being crazy.
People will likely customize the secure pages, which will help prevent "spoof attacks," where hackers plant a fraudulent Web page on a PC screen that looks, but isn't, a file from a person's doctor or accountant, for example.
If the browser knows that it is supposed to acquire a secure page or file (ssl), it could use PGP and the senders public key to verify that the message has not been compromised.
That's the first thing I looked for (that little XML icon). I'd probably never go back because my browsing habits have changed since I discovered RSS.
ie. Look for RSS feeds of interest at syndic8.com and add the feed to my custom home page.
But why is it when its an IE bug, its a "Severe Security Exploit", and when its a Mozilla bug, its a "Privacy Leak"...
Slashdot (to me) is a basically a digest of the day's events. If people take news about Mozilla from Mozilla.org then the headlines are going to be less severe than if they took the headline from Microsoft.com. Half of all the "Severe Security Exploit" headlines about IE are magically changed to "Insignificant Privacy Leak" on MS sites. It just depends on where you get your news...you have to make the distinction for yourself;)
I really hope that none of the pgp/gpg emails my colleagues send me contain any of those strings. The ones with outlook and who send html by default...
We need this to occur without unwieldy programs (PGP) or user eductation...
A little user education goes a long way.
What I used to do is whenever a friend or familly member sent me something like "M$ will give you $$$ to forward this to ten people" is write that person back explaining how email tracking could work...then I give them some links to some hoax sites...then I explain the difference between bcc and cc...then I give them a call and ask if they understand what I was talking about in the email...then I tell them to tell their friends. Of course everything is explained in friendly and "accessible" terms.
The little bit of time I spent teaching the others around me save me a lot of heart ache. No spam in my inbox, no dumb "forward this for that" emails, just emails that *might* mean something.:P
We need to invest in user education. How are we ever gonna get to a Star Trek level if everything is dumbed down?
Up here in igloo land (Canada), if TNN doesn't have the rights/permission (money/incentive) to broadcast up here...all we get is the local cable/satellite blackout screen.
You guys think you have it bad...look into Canada's CRTC (our local government oppression office:P).
I'd be really happy to see that black bar...
Couldn't someone get together a blacklist of RIAA and record company IPs and incorporate them into P2P programs?
Wouldn't work. I'm sure there are enough people out there who like the RIAA and would donate some space to host the fake files.
What happens if said person uses pppoe to connect to the internet? Their IP would change each time they log on...then you'll be asking to blacklist an ISP...what happens if that's your ISP??
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I haven't read the links either but my understanding is that "credit" is the currency in OSS. So if you don't abide by the OSS license (essentially giving the original author(s) credit, imdemnity and releasing the source of your version) you're stealing.
There was a guy like that where I worked. He didn't even have the decency to clip over a garbage can or a bag...he just clipped and let them fly all over the place. I'm glad that I was in a different row...........
Just so you know, I don't believe in evolution.
I aggree that if these things got out there would be changes. But no more than any other evolutionary change. Both are equally unpredictable.
If this was to happen at random in nature, it would be amazing and wonderful, but if we caused it due to a desire, its evil bad and distructive, for the same exact reason, because we (Humans) dont know what it will do.
Why is the reaction different?
IIRC according to the theory, it takes a really long time for significant changes to occur. What's happening now is like an "over night" kind of thing. What these guys are doing is taking some genes from one species and putting it into another. That's like recombining the branches on the evolution tree. I've never seen a tree do that or a frog with feathers. It really isn't natural. The point people are trying to make is that you have to have studies on the affects of something like the fish getting into the wild before releasing it in the "wild". It may be harmless, it might not be...who knows? Better to err on the side of caution.
Now, if we could do that to ourselfs, the same 'oh no its bad!' reaction would happen. But if it was a natural mutation.. for the same thing.. What then? Would it be bad then too? Would it be ok? Why?
When parents have a child that is not "normal", they usually try to correct the deformity. Maybe people are born without legs because nature knows that most of us drive cars now. That doesn't make sense. I know your example was extreme and so is mine.
If evolution as a theory is correct, you'd think that nature would make small changes so as not to upset the balance. Metaphorically not throwing a big rock into a small pool.
So lets look at small changes. GM grains. They are evil because, why again? They compete with life like everything else and happen to be better than the things they kill off?
From personal experience, I have allergic reactions to GM crops like Canola and Soya. I never had problems with food before now. I have to actually read what is on the labels before I buy something (a good practice anyway). Canola is resistant to pests because it's basically a poison "they" just modify it so that you can tolerate it. If you check out the history of soy you'll see that it was never meant to be eaten (especially at the quantities we injest now). Again, it's modified so we can eat it.
Why do they modify these plants? Just because they're cheaper to grow. What I really don't like is that they also modify the plants so that they are sterile...which means that if you plant these crops in the field, you'll have to buy their patented seeds from them every year (increasing their profits). Sterile not meaning that they don't produce polen which can go anywhere.
I've even heard stories of companines suing farmers because they try to reuse seeds (before they got the sterility right) they produced under patent infringment laws.
What about if we could genetically change a human to not be allergic to something (Say, milk) is that as equally as bad if these changed humans get out and reproduce?
Right now we have both types of humans, the 'older' strains that are allergic to cows milk, and the 'newer' strain that isnt and can drink it.
Its a small gene change but it is no different if we do it or it 'just happens'.
You're not necessarily born with allergies. In the case of milk allergies, you can grow out of them.
"old strain" - It's dangerous to start classifying people by what genes they have...think about it...
A fish is a larger change. But its the same example, whats the differce if it just naturally happened? And who are we to say it never would?
Maybe thats just a far out way of thinking, but no one that reacts
"We must save others from our culture." It's like saying that we have to remove liquor stores from around indian reservations and black inner city neighborhoods because they can't be trusted with the freedom to decide for themselves.
:P
Wouldn't you think it was alright to drink "all the time" if there was a liquor store on every corner where you grew up? Being "black" myself...there is a BIG difference between the types of stores/advertising in a predominantly "white" suburban neighborhood (where I live) and where some of my family lives (Brooklyn).
Yeah, there's a church on every corner also...but it's easier to do bad than good.
The problem with Bhutan is that they have to realize that everything they see may not be real (like you said) but they don't have the experiences we do. Remember "War of the Worlds" when radio was new? Some people actually thought that the earth was being invaded and IIRC some of the first people to see a motion picture ran out of the theatre because they thought the train coming towards them on screen was going to run them over.
Imagine seeing someone getting their head blown off with a shot gun for the first time...without being conditioned...like we are....
We tend to import it from people who don't particularly like us
I'm pretty sure that the Saudi royal family and friends love the U.S. It's the people who they rule over (ruthlessly at times) that don't like the U.S. and see "you" as a supporter of their suffering.
- bring the wages (standard of living) up in an area
- then leave
- people start getting desperate to maintain their current standard
- they turn to crime
- put them in jail
- use the prison labour at a nice low rate that never changes and will never have a union...
#4 Could also be "Turn to terrorism"There's good profit to be made on steps 3 through 6.
Works best when it's a big multinat on step #1 where the people aren't that mobile and it's a relatively small city.
I think you're solving the symptoms and not the cause.
Want to stop exploits? Write good code and have it reviewed, test it, review it again, test again...release and test, review............
Severe punishments or punishment in general are rarely good enough deterrents. Do you have $15 000 to give to the RIAA? I'm sure the millions on Kazaa don't but they trade anyway because they never think about getting caught.
The solution...education/ethics training. You have to teach people not to be assholes BEFORE they become assholes...not wait until they do something crazy and then hand out a stiff punishment and claim you're doing something *now*.
My motto: You can't stop crazy people but you can stop people from being crazy.
If the browser knows that it is supposed to acquire a secure page or file (ssl), it could use PGP and the senders public key to verify that the message has not been compromised.
I use this: http://magpierss.sourceforge.net/ (PHP)
Basically I have a list of URLs for stuff I like in my DB and use Magpie RSS to go get, cache and parse it all for output in xhtml.
Since you don't seem to have a limit on space, I'd bring a CD filled with Linux/MS/Mac FAQs and HowTos in text format to be safe :P
That's the first thing I looked for (that little XML icon). I'd probably never go back because my browsing habits have changed since I discovered RSS.
ie. Look for RSS feeds of interest at syndic8.com and add the feed to my custom home page.
But why is it when its an IE bug, its a "Severe Security Exploit", and when its a Mozilla bug, its a "Privacy Leak"...
;)
Slashdot (to me) is a basically a digest of the day's events. If people take news about Mozilla from Mozilla.org then the headlines are going to be less severe than if they took the headline from Microsoft.com. Half of all the "Severe Security Exploit" headlines about IE are magically changed to "Insignificant Privacy Leak" on MS sites. It just depends on where you get your news...you have to make the distinction for yourself
He used the number of *hits* for each DB as his basis for calculating the percentages. So look at the percentages instead of just the amounts.
Looks like they're basically the same to me.
You *can* change Microsoft's calculator to scientific mode you know...
I really hope that none of the pgp/gpg emails my colleagues send me contain any of those strings. The ones with outlook and who send html by default...
I bet if they added in infected servers looking for other servers...the numbers would be quite different.
We need this to occur without unwieldy programs (PGP) or user eductation...
:P
A little user education goes a long way.
What I used to do is whenever a friend or familly member sent me something like "M$ will give you $$$ to forward this to ten people" is write that person back explaining how email tracking could work...then I give them some links to some hoax sites...then I explain the difference between bcc and cc...then I give them a call and ask if they understand what I was talking about in the email...then I tell them to tell their friends. Of course everything is explained in friendly and "accessible" terms.
The little bit of time I spent teaching the others around me save me a lot of heart ache. No spam in my inbox, no dumb "forward this for that" emails, just emails that *might* mean something.
We need to invest in user education. How are we ever gonna get to a Star Trek level if everything is dumbed down?
It's not closed source anymore...
streamer
Up here in igloo land (Canada), if TNN doesn't have the rights/permission (money/incentive) to broadcast up here...all we get is the local cable/satellite blackout screen.
:P).
I'd be really happy to see that black bar...
You guys think you have it bad...look into Canada's CRTC (our local government oppression office
Couldn't someone get together a blacklist of RIAA and record company IPs and incorporate them into P2P programs?
Wouldn't work. I'm sure there are enough people out there who like the RIAA and would donate some space to host the fake files. What happens if said person uses pppoe to connect to the internet? Their IP would change each time they log on...then you'll be asking to blacklist an ISP...what happens if that's your ISP??