No, they will win if people like you are supporting OSS. Both those issues - timed clicks & TODO lists in code - were reported as sensationalist headlines on/., but if you drilled into the patent, they were far more detailed than the/. groupthink headlines would have you believe and were genuinely patentable ideas, and not decades old.
Whether or not you fundamentally agree with software patents is another issue altogether, but they are playing within the rules.
Would having over 1000* employees blogging count as "Show they are changing their culture, come out and play"? If they are censoring it sure isn'tobvious. I've said it before and I'll say it again now: perhaps MS is changing, it's the Linux zealots who are so blinded by their religion that they can't see it.
*(Yes, I know there's only 900 or so bloggers on MSDN, but many host on their own site).
Yeah, I bet they used an off the shelf processor as well, rather than building their own from scratch. And the metal used in the frame? Don't tell me they BOUGHT that rather than mining it and developing their own metalurgical refining processes.
The problem doesn't always lie at the level that happens to be of interest to *you* - the OS in this case.
http://msn.co.uk used to be a news aggregator years ago, when MSN first dumped the "lets try to be an online tv station" and went for a portal strategy, for a good few years it was a personalisable news aggregator.
MS started this? That's a bit rich. I remember between IE3 beta and IE3 release they actually specifically broke some rendering to emulate Netscapes broken rendering.
Yes, it probably did happen. But the/. bashing is still justified. I've read lots of articles praising SP2 (and submitted one), but/. choose to post the first article I've seen that reports major problems with it. I think that's worth/. bashing - they didn't write, they were just highly selective about what they chose to post.
Isn't the link in the article presuming the tablet PC was a failed prediction a little premature? Maybe Mr.Gates just has a longer time horizon than you. The thing only launched a year or two ago. Linux has been around... what... 10 years? OH NO! Linux on the desktop is a failure!
Why steal - Microsoft hired one of the key guys behind Altavista, Daniel Feussner. He worked on microsoft.com search.
Unfortunately for all, he was fired (and later died) after stealing & reselling large amounts of company software. Some details at http://www.compaqsucks.com/wwwboard/messages/545.h tml. But he'd been with MS for several years at that point.
For years there had been idle speculation about how much stolen code (GPL or otherwise) was in Windows. Yet when the portions of Windows 2000 source code were leaked, MS was found to be squeaky clean. But don't let me stand between you and inevitable tin foil hats.
Worth noting that this is *still* a copyrighted work. Just because the star has said he doesn't mind doesn't make it legal. Ethical, maybe, but legal, no. If he *really* cared he'd remove the copyright (although I doubt his backers would allow him).
Linked to from their home page, has been for quite a few hours. Gives more information, including an inference that the server portion is self propogating, and that (contract to/.) that a patched PC is safe.
Slashdot gets many, many more submissions than they post. They chose this one to post, and in doing so take a certain partial responsibility for it. After all, they do call themselves editors.
I RTFA. I saw lots of speculation that Microsoft funded all of them. I saw lots of examples of previous funding. I saw almost no proof though or in most instances even a strong case (they hired a consultant who had worked for Microsoft? Big deal). Another case of/. representing speculation as fact to feed the group think?
I've had one for 18 months or so. Had absolutely no problems with it at all. Put the card in, installed the software from the CD, haven't needed to make any changes since, it just works (and I use it a lot).
Years ago I knew a guy who worked for the cops - south australian police force, had a desk job. A part of his job was to assess what should and shouldn't be standard issue equipment - basically, what should hang on the cops belts. He was assessing a new (at the time) device - a single unit which was a torch, a baton/club/whatever you call it (basically a very well built torch), and a stun unit - you would rotate the top of the torch, and two small metal points came out which would shock & stun the victim.
I asked him "how do you test something like that?" His response was "go out on patrol with some cops one night, find someone off his face on crack and stick it in him". Lovely.
" never hear about a windowsOS with SQL2000 running on IIS making a site like this work...reliably...it would never happen"
Perhaps because your only source of news is/.?
Manchester Commonwealth games and the Rugby World Cup both spring to mind as running on IIS. Both sites which have extreme levels of traffic in a very short period, both had no problems I heard about.
How about the 4th busiest site in the world, microsoft.com? They were running Win2003/IIS6 on part of their cluster around 12 months before it was released!
Slashdot Mirror
They'll get it right in the dupe :)
So, basically, you are completely ignoring my post and more or less restating your opinion?
No, they will win if people like you are supporting OSS. Both those issues - timed clicks & TODO lists in code - were reported as sensationalist headlines on /., but if you drilled into the patent, they were far more detailed than the /. groupthink headlines would have you believe and were genuinely patentable ideas, and not decades old.
Whether or not you fundamentally agree with software patents is another issue altogether, but they are playing within the rules.
Not until there's clippy for Open Office. How else would I know when I'm writing a letter?
*(Yes, I know there's only 900 or so bloggers on MSDN, but many host on their own site).
I'm sure Mandelbrot will claim to predict this sooner or later.
Yeah, I bet they used an off the shelf processor as well, rather than building their own from scratch. And the metal used in the frame? Don't tell me they BOUGHT that rather than mining it and developing their own metalurgical refining processes.
The problem doesn't always lie at the level that happens to be of interest to *you* - the OS in this case.
http://msn.co.uk used to be a news aggregator years ago, when MSN first dumped the "lets try to be an online tv station" and went for a portal strategy, for a good few years it was a personalisable news aggregator.
So, maybe Google News is the copy...
Can you give an example of Microsoft taking legal action to enforce a patent infringement?
/. 3 or 4 times, if you find a case you'll be the first).
(Hint: I've asked this question on
MS started this? That's a bit rich. I remember between IE3 beta and IE3 release they actually specifically broke some rendering to emulate Netscapes broken rendering.
Yes, it probably did happen. But the /. bashing is still justified. I've read lots of articles praising SP2 (and submitted one), but /. choose to post the first article I've seen that reports major problems with it. I think that's worth /. bashing - they didn't write, they were just highly selective about what they chose to post.
Isn't the link in the article presuming the tablet PC was a failed prediction a little premature? Maybe Mr.Gates just has a longer time horizon than you. The thing only launched a year or two ago. Linux has been around... what... 10 years? OH NO! Linux on the desktop is a failure!
Patience.
/me checks to see if "www.richandgullible.com" is registered
Unfortunately for all, he was fired (and later died) after stealing & reselling large amounts of company software. Some details at http://www.compaqsucks.com/wwwboard/messages/545.h tml. But he'd been with MS for several years at that point.
For years there had been idle speculation about how much stolen code (GPL or otherwise) was in Windows. Yet when the portions of Windows 2000 source code were leaked, MS was found to be squeaky clean. But don't let me stand between you and inevitable tin foil hats.
Worth noting that this is *still* a copyrighted work. Just because the star has said he doesn't mind doesn't make it legal. Ethical, maybe, but legal, no. If he *really* cared he'd remove the copyright (although I doubt his backers would allow him).
http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/downloa d_ject.mspx
/.) that a patched PC is safe.
Linked to from their home page, has been for quite a few hours. Gives more information, including an inference that the server portion is self propogating, and that (contract to
Slashdot gets many, many more submissions than they post. They chose this one to post, and in doing so take a certain partial responsibility for it. After all, they do call themselves editors.
"They all seem to be funded by Microsoft."
/. representing speculation as fact to feed the group think?
I RTFA. I saw lots of speculation that Microsoft funded all of them. I saw lots of examples of previous funding. I saw almost no proof though or in most instances even a strong case (they hired a consultant who had worked for Microsoft? Big deal). Another case of
...and here's a good link if you know it all ;)
(hint: it's funny, not a troll)
I've had one for 18 months or so. Had absolutely no problems with it at all. Put the card in, installed the software from the CD, haven't needed to make any changes since, it just works (and I use it a lot).
YMMV...
Years ago I knew a guy who worked for the cops - south australian police force, had a desk job. A part of his job was to assess what should and shouldn't be standard issue equipment - basically, what should hang on the cops belts. He was assessing a new (at the time) device - a single unit which was a torch, a baton/club/whatever you call it (basically a very well built torch), and a stun unit - you would rotate the top of the torch, and two small metal points came out which would shock & stun the victim.
I asked him "how do you test something like that?"
His response was "go out on patrol with some cops one night, find someone off his face on crack and stick it in him". Lovely.
" never hear about a windowsOS with SQL2000 running on IIS making a site like this work...reliably...it would never happen"
/.?
Perhaps because your only source of news is
Manchester Commonwealth games and the Rugby World Cup both spring to mind as running on IIS. Both sites which have extreme levels of traffic in a very short period, both had no problems I heard about.
How about the 4th busiest site in the world, microsoft.com? They were running Win2003/IIS6 on part of their cluster around 12 months before it was released!
Can you point me at some information about IE and how it handles different doctypes? Sounds like a good workaround, could be interesting.
Can you name an instance of a "proprietary vendor" sueing someone who released this type of information?