And if that's the case, couldn't Internet radio get around the royalties by switching to an on-demand format?
Even a complete show could be queued into an on-demand stream. Granted, it wouldn't be 'live' and might introduce bandwidth concerns, but wouldn't that then eliminate the royalties?
Granted, somewhat off topic, but the thread got me drifting... Has it been entered into the public record the striking similarity between musicians and programmers? Technical, passionate, misfits, sweating details for the love of the art, etc.
I'd love to see my two ancestral clans finally reunite - seems the obvious route to entertainment industry destabilization.
BTW, Andromeda just got a cool writeup on Shift.com
I keep a server wired to my network running Andromeda. It mostly serves MP3's, but it works with video files too.
If you capture MPG's to Andromeda's folder, they'll automatically show up in the web interface, and you should be able to stream them over your network. (I already play collected videos to my Wi-Fi enabled laptop)
From my experience MPG is more stream-friendly than AVI (which wants to fully download).
Just worth mentioning that the single best audio format is "LIVE" - it sounds so good, it'll seem that you can reach out and touch the performers (please don't).
I know that the thread is about compression formats, but hey - go to a bar/club with "LIVE" music, pay $10 at the door, have a drink and a good time.
Hopefully, the guys playing are getting a percent of the door, and they'll be happy to see you in the audience. Feel that bass!
"Not to be a dick, but why pay $35 for Andromeda when you can download AMPache for free?"
Hey, it's a reasonable question. First, I should point out that the free evaluation of Andromeda is fully functional. Probably the best way to answer your question is to just take it for a spin.
Ok, for starters, Andromeda is multi-platform. PHP and ASP versions are available for Unix, Windows, and Mac OS X.
It's very easy to set up: it's all just a single file, and you don't need to know any coding at all to get it to work.
As for specific features, some people like the built in search, others the "what's new" feature, others still that you can add folders as well as MP3's to the playlist. Also, Andromeda works with OGG, MPG, WMA, and many other formats.
The main Andromeda site itself is richly documented, and there are handy features there like an interactive skin editor.
For the non-English speaking, the Andromeda software includes translations for about 35 languages.
It's not like I'm Microsoft, and the $35 goes a long way to supporting active development. I really believe that it's also important to make Andromeda a financially stable project in order to guarantee its long-term progress. We've all read the threads here recently about free sites packing up - I don't want Andromeda to share in that fate.
It's a good thing to toss a little support toward an independent developer working on good software. But that, of course, comes from an independent developer;)
VNC, Windows XP's Remote Desktop, pcAnywhere, and GoToMyPC all seem to work as multimedia PC remote controls.
fwiw, I also use that same copy of Andromeda to play back to other PC's on my LAN (it also works over the Internet if you've got enough upstream bandwidth).
So, I've got one PC wired to the stereo that I remote control, but I also access the same collection of tunes from the bedroom over my local network. It's pretty neat, actually...
"Integration of all the software is of course a nightmare, under both of the installed operating systems"
Zack - you really should check out my software Andromeda (see the post immediately above yours). You might be interested to know that it works on Unix, Windows, and Mac OS X. Also, it's designed to work on smaller decives like your Clie. (and even PocketPC's, etc.)
I keep an old PC hidden behind the couch, wired to my stereo. It's running Andromeda, which manages and serves MP3 collection. I remote control it via my laptop over Wi-Fi. It's pretty neat, actually...
Ms. Lee's parents, who ethnic Chinese, gave her the numeral 8 as a middle name because eight is considered a very lucky number in Chinese.
That's correct (I've met Jennifer through my girlfriend, another NYT tech reporter).
Furthermore, I quote from Fastball's post:
Somebody send Ms. Crick a cluebat.
and
Conclusion: another example of how ineffectual and misguided journalism has become. Nothing to see here. Please disperse.
Actually, it seems that Jennifer's intention is indeed to send people like Ms. Crick a 'cluebat'. NYT readers and/. readers are different sorts of folks, and what's obvious to you might not be obvious to them.
Score one for the good guys. I'm pleased to say that MP3 jukebox thingie was listed at the Vorbis site long before the good news hit. It couldn't happpen to a nicer fish. -Scott
And another option is to not GPL your project. Suggesting as much certainly goes against the grain here, but it's worth recognizing that there's a lot of peer pressure when it comes to the GPL, and peer pressure is something that should be dealt with accordingly.
You should seriously consider whether your goal might be (gasps!) to make some money off your efforts. You can always GPL later, but you can't un-GPL.
So far, I decided not to GPL my project but I've still received tons of positive feedback, much of which has become incorporated into the code.
If you really value control, and you don't like the thought of your baby being forked or sold without your consent, you ought to at least consider not GPL'ing.
I recently added a new feature to my site which I call the Microbrowser. It's designed to help promote Andromeda user sites. I'm itching to find more bands to add as I'd love to help direct more ears toward independent music.
If you're in a band (or have friends that are) and use Andromeda to stream MP3s (PHP or ASP) and would like a steady flow of traffic, please let me know. -Scott
I really like Andromeda aand will continue to use it. What I probly will do is put a password on it and take public access away. The only thing that would prevent me from running both publically is bandwidth.
Great, I'm glad to hear it. Locking Andromeda down for personal use is one great way to use it. It's all just a matter of finding the right tool for the job, and sometimes that means 'tools'.
fwiw, you can certainly run Andromeda alongside any other system (you don't need to choose). Each will have different advantages for different circumstnaces. -Scott
[ That kind of 'simplification' is leading to the erosion of fair use rights. And according to your contract, if I disagree with that statement (it is part of the terms) I am not authorized to use the software. ]
I'm of course a big fan of fair use, and I think Andromeda really excells in such circumstances. That bit is intended to say that users are expected to honor the appropriate laws, and to protect me if they choose not to.
I'd certainly hate to think that somehow I could contribute to the erosion of our rights. Perhaps I can find some better language - feel free to contact me off-thread if you'd like to disccuss. -Scott
Absolutely, positively untrue, and totally unfair! When you sign up I make it clear that you that you'll get an email from me, and after that you can easily unsubscribe. That's a fact. Furthermore, the last time I sent any email at all was Febuary 12. If you're getting spam, I promise it had nothing to do with me, and I'd be happy to dissuss as much as you want. Fee free to contact me personally at: Scott-AT-turnstyle-DOT-com
I've worked very hard on Andromeda, and likewise on keeping it all very positive. I promised that I wouldn't spam or give away your email address, and I have not. That's the plain truth.
> > [ "All we are saying, is give price a chance" ] > > OK I am rotflmao at that line so give me a second here.:-)
See, I'm not all evil;)
You've raised two issues: 1) that it seems that I used/. to advertize, and 2) that you have some concerns regarding my license. I'll try and address both...
Yesterday's threads were in fact personally relevant: a thread on PayPal (which I use to accept payments), a thread on Perl begging for money (which I've found not to work), and a thread on the demise of AudioGalaxy (Andromeda is great for sharing between friends). Granted I included links to my site and some background about what I do, but I stand by what I said. Pehaps the main concern is that I also included links?
As for my license, so far I've chosen not to GPL Andromeda because it just doesn't seem to make sense for somebody like me - an independent developer working full time, hoping to finally make a modest living off of popular software that I've been developing over two years. And as for the part about honoring copyright, well, it still seems reasonable to me.
I should also note that I only very recently startred selling copies. For close to two years I asked for donations, but as I said, the fact is that few people follow through. Just ask anybody else doing the same. It doesn't work, and I think it's important for an independent developer to understand that if he's under the impression that such an approach is going to help cover his expenses.
When you're trying to support yourself doing what you love, you have to hustle. Really, my point is simply that a lot of people seem to have the impression that all of those PayPal-donate tags actually work.
Frankly, It's tough for skilled developers to maintain a long-term and time-consuming commitment when there are well-paid alternatives sniffing around the corner.
If you love some free project, you should toss some coin their way, but in general people won't, and I think more independent developers will soon have no choice but to spend more time trying to figure out how to also make some money from their projects.
I know, for some people 'money' is a four letter word, but the same people who complain about money also complain about any other approach, such as advertising, etc. etc.
Didn't you know that it's shameless plug Monday? Anyways, I think a thread on the demise of AG is an appropriate place to mention Andromeda (see, I didn't even link it this time).
Frankly, I think that there has been a recurrent sub-theme among today's threads: compensation to independent developers. Personally, I want to be able to devote myself to working on a project I love, and for the first two years I really had hoped that 'what goes around' would finally 'come around' but now that just seems a little naive.
Some developers actually want to pay rent and buy food with money earned from their efforts on personal projects. Why not? Sure, we hate Microsoft, we hate our boss, we hate anybody who charges anything for software, but it doesn't seem that any lifestyle changes can take place if real money isn't spent as to 'vote' for independent projects.
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Even a complete show could be queued into an on-demand stream. Granted, it wouldn't be 'live' and might introduce bandwidth concerns, but wouldn't that then eliminate the royalties?
Does anybody know if the royalty rates apply to on-demand streaming as well as Internet Radio?
I'd love to see my two ancestral clans finally reunite - seems the obvious route to entertainment industry destabilization.
BTW, Andromeda just got a cool writeup on Shift.com
-Scott
If you capture MPG's to Andromeda's folder, they'll automatically show up in the web interface, and you should be able to stream them over your network. (I already play collected videos to my Wi-Fi enabled laptop)
From my experience MPG is more stream-friendly than AVI (which wants to fully download).
Seems like it could be pretty cool...
I know that the thread is about compression formats, but hey - go to a bar/club with "LIVE" music, pay $10 at the door, have a drink and a good time.
Hopefully, the guys playing are getting a percent of the door, and they'll be happy to see you in the audience. Feel that bass!
Hey, it's a reasonable question. First, I should point out that the free evaluation of Andromeda is fully functional. Probably the best way to answer your question is to just take it for a spin.
Ok, for starters, Andromeda is multi-platform. PHP and ASP versions are available for Unix, Windows, and Mac OS X.
It's very easy to set up: it's all just a single file, and you don't need to know any coding at all to get it to work.
As for specific features, some people like the built in search, others the "what's new" feature, others still that you can add folders as well as MP3's to the playlist. Also, Andromeda works with OGG, MPG, WMA, and many other formats.
The main Andromeda site itself is richly documented, and there are handy features there like an interactive skin editor.
For the non-English speaking, the Andromeda software includes translations for about 35 languages.
It's not like I'm Microsoft, and the $35 goes a long way to supporting active development. I really believe that it's also important to make Andromeda a financially stable project in order to guarantee its long-term progress. We've all read the threads here recently about free sites packing up - I don't want Andromeda to share in that fate.
It's a good thing to toss a little support toward an independent developer working on good software. But that, of course, comes from an independent developer ;)
I say just try it, and see for yourself...
fwiw, I also use that same copy of Andromeda to play back to other PC's on my LAN (it also works over the Internet if you've got enough upstream bandwidth).
So, I've got one PC wired to the stereo that I remote control, but I also access the same collection of tunes from the bedroom over my local network. It's pretty neat, actually...
Zack - you really should check out my software Andromeda (see the post immediately above yours). You might be interested to know that it works on Unix, Windows, and Mac OS X. Also, it's designed to work on smaller decives like your Clie. (and even PocketPC's, etc.)
I keep an old PC hidden behind the couch, wired to my stereo. It's running Andromeda, which manages and serves MP3 collection. I remote control it via my laptop over Wi-Fi. It's pretty neat, actually...
Or, ahem, Andromeda which streams on demand.
Though, I've got to say, I don't really see the performace value of a DJ clicking play.
And what's with this new-fangled "Rock and Roll" music? Somebody tell those "Beatles" to get a haircut.
That's correct (I've met Jennifer through my girlfriend, another NYT tech reporter).
Furthermore, I quote from Fastball's post:
Somebody send Ms. Crick a cluebat.
and
Conclusion: another example of how ineffectual and misguided journalism has become. Nothing to see here. Please disperse.
Actually, it seems that Jennifer's intention is indeed to send people like Ms. Crick a 'cluebat'. NYT readers and /. readers are different sorts of folks, and what's obvious to you might not be obvious to them.
Score one for the good guys. I'm pleased to say that MP3 jukebox thingie was listed at the Vorbis site long before the good news hit. It couldn't happpen to a nicer fish. -Scott
Thanks for the tip, perhaps there's a chart somewhere that shows traffic over time?
Does /. post it's traffic anywhere? Just curious, seems relevant...
Hang out on /. and sometimes get hung out to dry, but I must apologize: I'm not triangulating on 'fader'. Howbout a hint...
You might not sign up for Meetup, but I just want to say that Scott Heiferman (Meetup's Co-Founder & CEO) is a swell guy.
You should seriously consider whether your goal might be (gasps!) to make some money off your efforts. You can always GPL later, but you can't un-GPL.
So far, I decided not to GPL my project but I've still received tons of positive feedback, much of which has become incorporated into the code.
If you really value control, and you don't like the thought of your baby being forked or sold without your consent, you ought to at least consider not GPL'ing.
-Scott
If you're in a band (or have friends that are) and use Andromeda to stream MP3s (PHP or ASP) and would like a steady flow of traffic, please let me know. -Scott
Great, I'm glad to hear it. Locking Andromeda down for personal use is one great way to use it. It's all just a matter of finding the right tool for the job, and sometimes that means 'tools'.
Enjoy, -Scott
Hey, I take that personally ;)
fwiw, you can certainly run Andromeda alongside any other system (you don't need to choose). Each will have different advantages for different circumstnaces. -Scott
I'm of course a big fan of fair use, and I think Andromeda really excells in such circumstances. That bit is intended to say that users are expected to honor the appropriate laws, and to protect me if they choose not to.
I'd certainly hate to think that somehow I could contribute to the erosion of our rights. Perhaps I can find some better language - feel free to contact me off-thread if you'd like to disccuss. -Scott
I've worked very hard on Andromeda, and likewise on keeping it all very positive. I promised that I wouldn't spam or give away your email address, and I have not. That's the plain truth.
And it's crap? C'mon... -Scott
>
> OK I am rotflmao at that line so give me a second here.
See, I'm not all evil ;)
You've raised two issues: 1) that it seems that I used /. to advertize, and 2) that you have some concerns regarding my license. I'll try and address both...
Yesterday's threads were in fact personally relevant: a thread on PayPal (which I use to accept payments), a thread on Perl begging for money (which I've found not to work), and a thread on the demise of AudioGalaxy (Andromeda is great for sharing between friends). Granted I included links to my site and some background about what I do, but I stand by what I said. Pehaps the main concern is that I also included links?
As for my license, so far I've chosen not to GPL Andromeda because it just doesn't seem to make sense for somebody like me - an independent developer working full time, hoping to finally make a modest living off of popular software that I've been developing over two years. And as for the part about honoring copyright, well, it still seems reasonable to me.
I should also note that I only very recently startred selling copies. For close to two years I asked for donations, but as I said, the fact is that few people follow through. Just ask anybody else doing the same. It doesn't work, and I think it's important for an independent developer to understand that if he's under the impression that such an approach is going to help cover his expenses.
Still not reasonable?
Frankly, It's tough for skilled developers to maintain a long-term and time-consuming commitment when there are well-paid alternatives sniffing around the corner.
If you love some free project, you should toss some coin their way, but in general people won't, and I think more independent developers will soon have no choice but to spend more time trying to figure out how to also make some money from their projects.
I know, for some people 'money' is a four letter word, but the same people who complain about money also complain about any other approach, such as advertising, etc. etc.
Ahem, "All we are saying, is give price a chance"
Frankly, I think that there has been a recurrent sub-theme among today's threads: compensation to independent developers. Personally, I want to be able to devote myself to working on a project I love, and for the first two years I really had hoped that 'what goes around' would finally 'come around' but now that just seems a little naive.
Some developers actually want to pay rent and buy food with money earned from their efforts on personal projects. Why not? Sure, we hate Microsoft, we hate our boss, we hate anybody who charges anything for software, but it doesn't seem that any lifestyle changes can take place if real money isn't spent as to 'vote' for independent projects.
It takes one to know one. -Scott