"...the outcry that greeted this graphical overhaul underlines just how important game characters are to players."
In that particular case, I don't think it was because Link's character had changed. Most of the outcry there was a knee-jerk reaction caused by people feeling mislead. First they were shown a video where Link looked startlingly realistic, then they were presented with a still of Link that looked like something out of South Park. Besides feeling mislead, it probably looked to people like Nintendo was cheapining out the franchise. They wanted to see Link taken into a more adult direction.
I really don't feel that the outcry had to do with changing Link himself. If you think about it, it isn't much of a change at all from the previous games.
Interesting note: Though this isn't a scientific observation, I did notice that the people complaining about the game were the ones who only saw a still of it. The ones that were saying 'wow' were the ones that saw the video.
"Hell, you have already accidentally admitted you are one guy TWICE already. And you even ADMITTED you LOST simply by CONTINUING TO POST TO AN AC LIKE A FUCKING N00B!!! "
You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel there.:)
Amusing. He thinks he can draw the conclusion that we're the same guy because we both used the term Chickenhawk to describe him, but he wasn't able to draw the conclusion that you're employed even though you mentioned that we're coworkers. Dense.
I predict he'll respond by pretending he's laughing, then pretend he's more than one person, then accuse either of us of that, then say 'keep em coming'. Predictable trolls are boring.
Nice try Sherlock. We're coworkers. The Chickenhawk term comes from a dumbass AC who acted like you are acting now. It's an inside joke, and you are the butt of it.
"My personal record is 5 trolls, 10 offtopics, and 4 overrateds. I'm sure to beat that TODAY!"
Those might be impressive numbers if you had managed to take their insightful/interesting posts and got those modded down. But getting modded down by arguing with you isn't all that exciting. The way NG put you in a corner was pretty damn funny, though!
So yeah, you can get trolled as an AC. And boy did you get burned on it.
"I work with Outlook, and it's not the right tool for any job."
Makes one wonder why alternatives to Outlook haven't been adopted like wildfire, doesn't it. Of course, everybody is quick to rule out the idea that there are important things that haven't been duplicated yet.
"No one is forcing you to buy an album if it's not worth the value you're willing to pay. "
Demand for music is there and the RIAA's the only real source of it. You buy from them, or you don't buy at all.
It's nice that you think that situation is okay just because music is a 'luxury'. However, the reality is that there is demand out there, but your only source is trying not to supply it. Since they are in control of it all, they have no competition that'll make them lower prices and provide competing products.
"Few people lose jobs or business because they didn't buy an album."
The artists come to mind. They only have the RIAA to go to, and as such they get really awful contracts where they get paid very little, but the executives get bags of cash.
I wouldn't be so quick to describe NG as 'idiotic'. He's got a point, and you're dismissing a monopoly as okay because it's a luxury.
While we're on the topic of luxuries, anything besides food and water can be considered a luxury. Your Windows example could be disputed, computers in general could be disputed, etc. Again, I wouldn't be calling NG idiotic here.
"Yeah, they're going after people not because they're illegally getting their product for free but because it's an evil conspiracy against "a fair digital music service."
Not sure I totally agree with it, but NG has a point. The RIAA has fought tooth and nail to keep their business model of selling overpriced CD's for years. They were even busted for price fixing, insuring that you always pay a premium for music. Back to NG's point, they surely would have provided this service as soon as they discovered that people were willing to spend 15 minutes to an hour to download a single song. They didn't even try until the cat was out of the bag. Even after Napster, they still resisted like mad.
Like I said, I don't think NG is entirely right, I'm sure there was some concern over piracy etc. However, it is pretty darn clear that if a more responsible entity were in charge, we wouldn't have had to have waited until 2003 for a decent music service.
No, that's not true. People were drooling over it long before an actual game was made of it. It had neat-o graphics and pyshics, but no game play. They attached that later.
.. for Slashdot to publish distorted stories that paint Microsoft as evil, but if Bill Gates does it back he's suddenly commited a major no-no.
Let he without sin throw the first stone.
Amusingly enough, there probably is a justification for his 2-week average number. The perception could be wrong, but then again it's nothing that Slashdot isn't guilty of.
"one man's poison [milksucks.com]" -- Look who's trying to herd 'weak minded people' to a website. I got a dollar that says you found it in somebody else's sig. Did you walk there with your arms out like a zombie?
"It cost us roughly $60,000 a year. Once we switched to Linux, we needed a system administrator."
I work with NG, and I'd like to clarify what he said here. We work at a small company of about 20 people. We used to be primarily a Windows 2000 shop. NG used to be the acting sysadmin here, then I took over. He's an artist, but a portion of his day was dedicated to maintaining the network, the servers, and the workstations. In the Windows days, we didn't need a full time guy doing the administration stuff. We weren't having constant meltdowns or viruses or any of the stuff a lot of you associate with being a Windows shop.
What happened was we were contracted to make a product based on Linux. (Good choice btw, Windows could not have done what we're doing with Linux.) So engineering migrated over to Linux. The transition was painful so we had to hire a talented Admin who's good with Linux. We still need him, as things break, yadda yadda yadda.
There is some truth to the claims that Linux has hidden costs, though I think NG's being a little bit of a troll with his comment. I can't say I blame him. Both he and I have taken flak for not hating Windows. Every day we're told that Linux'd be a better solution for us. We both have our reasons why we don't want to switch. (though mine are melting away fast, his are still very strong.) Nobody seems to care that we made intelligent decisions about what platform we're on, so I imagine he's a little on the disgruntled side here. I know I'm not looking forward to being told I'm wrong after I post this.
"What kind of a reply is that supposed to be? The latter entails the former, or what are you trying to say?!"
Think about it.
"I don't see how such overly homogenous results especially in such an allegedly heterogenous population are something to be proud of."
We elected him. (though the last election is in dispute, I mean in a general sense.) We don't have a dictator. We don't have a tyrant.
"Okay. I don't think silencing nazis is much of a problem, though."
Whatever. You can make anything sound bad if you look at the worst examples of it. Whatever country you are from, you're not immune to it.
"An increasing, already high number of people just barely being able to support themselves as not to starve with a shrinking minority being increasingly rich is not."
You have an alien view of this country.
"Nice sarcasm there, but doesn't exactly stick to the issue."
In a sense it does, but I didn't make myself too clear on it. I've been to a few different countries, and despite the problems you raise, I'd still much rather be here than anywhere else. Though, if I absolutely had to move, I'd go to Australia. I wouldn't necessarily be kicking and screaming about it.
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I now have a response to all those people who called me a pencil-dick!
You do know that he was tricked into changing his sig file three times by this master AC troll.
He changed his sig once just to bait you, and it worked. Heh you got trolled and you don't even know it.
"I was posted line by line on eftnet. 50 of us were laughing our asses off."
Liar.
"...the outcry that greeted this graphical overhaul underlines just how important game characters are to players."
In that particular case, I don't think it was because Link's character had changed. Most of the outcry there was a knee-jerk reaction caused by people feeling mislead. First they were shown a video where Link looked startlingly realistic, then they were presented with a still of Link that looked like something out of South Park. Besides feeling mislead, it probably looked to people like Nintendo was cheapining out the franchise. They wanted to see Link taken into a more adult direction.
I really don't feel that the outcry had to do with changing Link himself. If you think about it, it isn't much of a change at all from the previous games.
Interesting note: Though this isn't a scientific observation, I did notice that the people complaining about the game were the ones who only saw a still of it. The ones that were saying 'wow' were the ones that saw the video.
"Hell, you have already accidentally admitted you are one guy TWICE already. And you even ADMITTED you LOST simply by CONTINUING TO POST TO AN AC LIKE A FUCKING N00B!!! "
:)
You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel there.
Amusing. He thinks he can draw the conclusion that we're the same guy because we both used the term Chickenhawk to describe him, but he wasn't able to draw the conclusion that you're employed even though you mentioned that we're coworkers. Dense.
I predict he'll respond by pretending he's laughing, then pretend he's more than one person, then accuse either of us of that, then say 'keep em coming'. Predictable trolls are boring.
Nice try Sherlock. We're coworkers. The Chickenhawk term comes from a dumbass AC who acted like you are acting now. It's an inside joke, and you are the butt of it.
"My personal record is 5 trolls, 10 offtopics, and 4 overrateds. I'm sure to beat that TODAY!"
Those might be impressive numbers if you had managed to take their insightful/interesting posts and got those modded down. But getting modded down by arguing with you isn't all that exciting. The way NG put you in a corner was pretty damn funny, though!
So yeah, you can get trolled as an AC. And boy did you get burned on it.
"Are you going to start posting replies to AC posts too?"
I don't need to. I'm not afraid to use my nick. Are you?
"Man the stupidity of some Microsoft Apologists. :) Sigh. Some people have no idea they are being trolled."
Grow a few brain cells, I was talking about you, Chickenhawk.
"You hate us because we post stuff that is really smart? I had no idea it was envy! Thanks for shedding light on that, it explains a lot!"
hehhe. Man this idiot just keeps walking into them.
"If that's your idea of a good discussion, no thanks, I think I'll pass."
Uh, you started it dude.
"I work with Outlook, and it's not the right tool for any job."
Makes one wonder why alternatives to Outlook haven't been adopted like wildfire, doesn't it. Of course, everybody is quick to rule out the idea that there are important things that haven't been duplicated yet.
"No one is forcing you to buy an album if it's not worth the value you're willing to pay. "
Demand for music is there and the RIAA's the only real source of it. You buy from them, or you don't buy at all.
It's nice that you think that situation is okay just because music is a 'luxury'. However, the reality is that there is demand out there, but your only source is trying not to supply it. Since they are in control of it all, they have no competition that'll make them lower prices and provide competing products.
"Few people lose jobs or business because they didn't buy an album."
The artists come to mind. They only have the RIAA to go to, and as such they get really awful contracts where they get paid very little, but the executives get bags of cash.
I wouldn't be so quick to describe NG as 'idiotic'. He's got a point, and you're dismissing a monopoly as okay because it's a luxury.
While we're on the topic of luxuries, anything besides food and water can be considered a luxury. Your Windows example could be disputed, computers in general could be disputed, etc. Again, I wouldn't be calling NG idiotic here.
"Yeah, they're going after people not because they're illegally getting their product for free but because it's an evil conspiracy against "a fair digital music service."
Not sure I totally agree with it, but NG has a point. The RIAA has fought tooth and nail to keep their business model of selling overpriced CD's for years. They were even busted for price fixing, insuring that you always pay a premium for music. Back to NG's point, they surely would have provided this service as soon as they discovered that people were willing to spend 15 minutes to an hour to download a single song. They didn't even try until the cat was out of the bag. Even after Napster, they still resisted like mad.
Like I said, I don't think NG is entirely right, I'm sure there was some concern over piracy etc. However, it is pretty darn clear that if a more responsible entity were in charge, we wouldn't have had to have waited until 2003 for a decent music service.
"Hi, my name is Chad. During the 2000 election, everybody thought they were being funny when they made fun of my name. "
Hi, my name is also Chad. I enjoyed being referred to as "Hanging Chad" during the 2000 election. Please, use paper!
No, that's not true. People were drooling over it long before an actual game was made of it. It had neat-o graphics and pyshics, but no game play. They attached that later.
.. for Slashdot to publish distorted stories that paint Microsoft as evil, but if Bill Gates does it back he's suddenly commited a major no-no.
Let he without sin throw the first stone.
Amusingly enough, there probably is a justification for his 2-week average number. The perception could be wrong, but then again it's nothing that Slashdot isn't guilty of.
"Apples can eventually become dog crap. Granted, it's not all that likely."
Then look at it the other way arouond, dog crap eventually becomes apples! It's the circle of life!
Hey numbnuts, you do sound like you're trying to sound like Yoda. Talk backwards he does.
"one man's poison [milksucks.com]" -- Look who's trying to herd 'weak minded people' to a website. I got a dollar that says you found it in somebody else's sig. Did you walk there with your arms out like a zombie?
ChickenHawk is back!
"'I got a better idea, install Linux on her machine. She'll get the hint when she's forced to type 'man mount'"
It's off-topic. But give him some credit, at least it's funny.
"Feeling low? There's someone else out there that's having a worse day than you. Trust me."
Are you kidding? You got a chick a week ago. Lotsa people here envy you!
"It cost us roughly $60,000 a year. Once we switched to Linux, we needed a system administrator."
I work with NG, and I'd like to clarify what he said here. We work at a small company of about 20 people. We used to be primarily a Windows 2000 shop. NG used to be the acting sysadmin here, then I took over. He's an artist, but a portion of his day was dedicated to maintaining the network, the servers, and the workstations. In the Windows days, we didn't need a full time guy doing the administration stuff. We weren't having constant meltdowns or viruses or any of the stuff a lot of you associate with being a Windows shop.
What happened was we were contracted to make a product based on Linux. (Good choice btw, Windows could not have done what we're doing with Linux.) So engineering migrated over to Linux. The transition was painful so we had to hire a talented Admin who's good with Linux. We still need him, as things break, yadda yadda yadda.
There is some truth to the claims that Linux has hidden costs, though I think NG's being a little bit of a troll with his comment. I can't say I blame him. Both he and I have taken flak for not hating Windows. Every day we're told that Linux'd be a better solution for us. We both have our reasons why we don't want to switch. (though mine are melting away fast, his are still very strong.) Nobody seems to care that we made intelligent decisions about what platform we're on, so I imagine he's a little on the disgruntled side here. I know I'm not looking forward to being told I'm wrong after I post this.
"What kind of a reply is that supposed to be? The latter entails the former, or what are you trying to say?!"
Think about it.
"I don't see how such overly homogenous results especially in such an allegedly heterogenous population are something to be proud of."
We elected him. (though the last election is in dispute, I mean in a general sense.) We don't have a dictator. We don't have a tyrant.
"Okay. I don't think silencing nazis is much of a problem, though."
Whatever. You can make anything sound bad if you look at the worst examples of it. Whatever country you are from, you're not immune to it.
"An increasing, already high number of people just barely being able to support themselves as not to starve with a shrinking minority being increasingly rich is not."
You have an alien view of this country.
"Nice sarcasm there, but doesn't exactly stick to the issue."
In a sense it does, but I didn't make myself too clear on it. I've been to a few different countries, and despite the problems you raise, I'd still much rather be here than anywhere else. Though, if I absolutely had to move, I'd go to Australia. I wouldn't necessarily be kicking and screaming about it.