Wrong. Lame means that it's so pointlessly stupid it's not worth refuting.
"Now, what will have to be shown to YOU and NanoGator before you accept that the "WMD's" do not and did not exist?"
I'd settle for proof that they were disposed of. If you got it, I'm all ears.
"Which is why both of you are fanatics and I am not."
I don't mind being called a fanatic, NG isn't though. You, however, are most definitely one. You can prove it by at least trying to understand where my point of view comes from. So far, you've done nothing but reject it and back it up with retarded analogies. Surely, an objective educated person can be a little more intelligent than you're being right now.
"Incorrect. Bush and Co could have told the UN inspectors WHO WERE IN COUNTRY about those sites. But they did not."
Gee, I seem to recall that the inspectors had a very difficult time getting to those places. Iraq didn't exactly have the open door policy that it should have.
"By that same "logic", it is not a fact that the tooth fairy does not exist."
Lame rebuttal.
"We have no evidence that Saddam had started making them again."
I agree with that.
"But that will never be enough for any of the "pro-Bush" fanatics..."
You are right, fanatics won't believe it. I beleive that's an unwritten rule of fanatacism. There are still a lot of people out there who need more than that. At the same time, as you yourself have pointed out, the anti Bush fanatics will not apologize for their accusations that he had lied.
"But he has sided with the "government knows more so they're right" position. That is in his previous post."
That, in and of itself, does not mean he believes that the government is right or wrong. I've had a lot of lengthy chats with him on this matter, he is sincere when he says he's not on either side.
"So, the US has to protect the methods by which they get demonstratably FALSE information...."
Demonstratably false != FALSE. Demonstrations, by nature, are not about facts, but about presentation. I can demonstrate that computer chips run on smoke because if I let the smoke out, they stop working. Before you nitpick my comment here, consider your own agruments Mr. Tooth Fairy exists because we cannot prove he/she doesn't.
"Which proves I know more than you do."
Another lame rebuttal.
"Only in your simplistic world view."
Yet another lame rebuttal.
"So you admit that the US is trying to capitalize on Iraq's oil? That's a start."
Yet another lame rebuttal. Heh. It's funny how you believe you are right, therefore you are ignoring the true meaning of what I said. That would seem to be a reocurring theme in your posts.
"That person has already proven himself to be unable to differentiate between a TV show written by fiction writers and reality."
Again with the reoccuring themes here. He started with a brief metaphor to explain the silliness of the anti Bush zealots out there, and now it's being spun as a doesn't understand the difference between fiction and reality. Honestly man, it is your own fault for trying to turn that as an insult. It is truely amazing how some people get by in this world by drawing such harsh conclusions without facts to back them up. I imagine you would have been a riot a few hundred years ago. The sun revolves around the Earth!! Burn anybody who disagrees!!
"We invade. We don't find the what at the where. We don't find the what anywhere... Conclusion: Bush and Co did NOT have exact knowledge."
Iraq had plenty of advance notice we were coming. Argument rejected.
"Well, I'm sure you believe it is good to be so in touch with your feelings. Don't let those pesky facts get in the way.... Yes, you are "pro-Bush". That is the EXACT same "logic" that he followed. All belief and no facts... Now, if there had been "WMD's" in Iraq, then Bush's lie would never have been exposed...."
You are not operating on facts either. It is not a fact that the WMDs are or are not in Iraq. It is not a fact that Bush did or did not lie. It is not a fact that the US government did or did not have legitimate info on the WMDs. Despite all this, you hold on tightly to your beliefs. You're trying to nail NG for this? At least he said he was up for civilized discussion about it.
"That is a side. You've sided with the "government knows more so they're right" position. Even when their public claims have been proven to be FALSE."
I've talked with him about this before. He's saying he can't come to judgement yet, not that he has sided with the government. He has a point, if the US tells us how they got information on things such as WMD, then the rest of the world knows how to prevent us from finding out about future BS such as this. Usually, proven false means somebody came up with a good reason to continue to believe what we believe anyway.Proof isn't typically the appropriate term. It's sort of like how Apple proved that their machines were twice as fast as Intel machines. You are not operating with facts here.
"So, if I say 1+1=5, then you'd believe me because I know things you don't know."
This is one of the dumbest responses I have ever read. The amusing thing is that mathematicians have proven that 1 + 1 = other numbers before. That is not why this argument is dumb, though. It's the simple self-servingness of it.
"Ummm, Saddam is in US custody. Bush Sr is not."
Ummm, his point was that if it were about revenge, Saddam would not be alive in US custody. Argument rejected.
"Then you need to look at how the US government is handling Iraq's oil wells."
I think you do too.
"Okaaaaaaaaay. Well, it's been nice chatting with you. I'll let you get back to Dr. Spock and Kirk now. Don't hurt yourself. "
Spock was not a doctor. Doctor Spock wrote books on the care of children, or something like that. Also, he was accusing the anti Bush people of making things out to be too much like Star Trek. You should have put a little more time into that little goodbye kiss.
The point was that Enterprise isn't causing inconsistencies in the Trek timeline. You have to go up a couple of posts before you can see the "Pull a Star Trek" comment that started the whole discussion in the first place.
I'm growing increasingly annoyed with people pretending to be historians of the future.
"One is trivia, the other is a disagreement with a major artistic decision in the show."
Yes, it's easy to distinguish them that way, especially when your heart is already set on hating the Enterprise theme song. To those who just don't care either way, it's really not all that different. It's still needlessly nitpicky. It's still a waste of effort. It's still mind-numbingly dull.
"Perhaps you should take your own advice, and just get over it?"
Wow, his comment really irks you. Perhaps you should take your own advice, and just get over it, and not respond to his comment?
If you find that suggestion unacceptable, then I suggest you look for a different way to try to dismiss his point of view. Implying he's a hypocrite just isn't going anywhere.
"Please tell me they are leaving that dreadful theme song behind."
There's an FAQ out there for the cartoon series Transformers. If you read the FAQ, there's a question about an acronym (the term of it escapes me at the moment) that defined an argument that would never disappear. There were two characters that were physically very similar, just different colors. (Rumble and... Frenzy I think? The little tape dude whose arms turned into smashy things...) In the cartoon, the blue one was Rumble, and the black one was the other dude whose name I can't recall. In the comic book, the colors were reversed. The comic book people thought they were right, the cartoon people thought they were right. Result? A never-ending argument that just wound people up for no good reason.
Every time somebody mentions the Enterprise theme-song, I think of that FAQ. Why? Because the color of that particular Decepticon doesn't mean a damn thing to the show or the comic book. Everybody's right, yet it still goes absolutely nowhere. It's just some point for people to butt heads on.
"All drivers are included in the kernel. Seems pretty centralized to me. Nice troll, though."
This dismissive attitude about problems with Linux (ill-informed or not) is exactly why I won't switch. I'm so sick of the 7337 attitude some people like you have. You're just going to have to deal with the fact that you'll have n00bs complaining about things like this.
"The Bush administration is directly responsible for the Ashcroft DoJ's fullscale assault, including but not limited to the "USA-PATRIOT Act," on traditional American liberties."
I'm disappointed that this was modded down. Every time this kind of bullshit happens, it's assumed the goverment is trying to be evil as opposed to remember what started all this to begin with. Equally disappointing, it's pretty clear that NG was answering the question as opposed to trying to make some political statement.
"But please, keep arguing if you'd like. I'm sure Nintendo will give you a discount for your fierce loyalty. "
I have never seen anybody on the winning side of a debate say "You must financially benefit from the company you are supporting." Isn't that a variant of Godwin's Law?
"Frrrpbpbpbp... DAMN! I just gave my position away!"
Heh. I've actually done something like that. There's a mod for Quake called Q3F. (Note: I think that was copied off something done for Half Life, but for the life of me I can't remember what it was called unless it was called Fortress.) In the game you got to be one of several classes. For example, the Medic class can run around and heal people. I used to be the spy. One of the options you had as spy was a cloaking doohickey. While you're cloaked, you can't move. Your point of view is locked. All you can really do is drop the cloak or toss grenades. I used to be really obnoxious to the other team. I'd cloak in their base, and then stab in the back when they run by me. (Instant kill if you pull it off.)
Well, one guy made it a mission to find me. We went through 3 or 4 rounds of him trying to find me and *SpLaT* I'd stab him in the back. I actually started to get cocky about it, and he picked up on that. He said "That was a good kill, man." to which I replied "Thanks!" *SpLaT* When I typed that, the chat icon appeared over my head, and he sniped me.
"When X states "hardware is better" and you say "Graphics are worse" you've got a classic Apples vs. Oranges situation. "
No, I don't think so. It's not as simple as that by a long shot. This isn't a Mac vs. PC style thing where one does some things better than the other. (And vice versa.) The conversation was about the graphic power of all three machines and how it relates to playing the same games. The Playstation 2 is underpowered in comparison to the GameCube and the XBOX. If it has advantages in particular areas, fine, but the end result has not improved.
If we were talking about the various controllers of each system, well then, you'd be absolutely right.
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"You can prove it by at least trying to understand..."
My apologies, I've phrased that wrong. It was meant to be "prove you're not..."... I'm not having a wonderful night.
"Again, "lame" means that you cannot refute it."
Wrong. Lame means that it's so pointlessly stupid it's not worth refuting.
"Now, what will have to be shown to YOU and NanoGator before you accept that the "WMD's" do not and did not exist?"
I'd settle for proof that they were disposed of. If you got it, I'm all ears.
"Which is why both of you are fanatics and I am not."
I don't mind being called a fanatic, NG isn't though. You, however, are most definitely one. You can prove it by at least trying to understand where my point of view comes from. So far, you've done nothing but reject it and back it up with retarded analogies. Surely, an objective educated person can be a little more intelligent than you're being right now.
"Incorrect. Bush and Co could have told the UN inspectors WHO WERE IN COUNTRY about those sites. But they did not."
...."
Gee, I seem to recall that the inspectors had a very difficult time getting to those places. Iraq didn't exactly have the open door policy that it should have.
"By that same "logic", it is not a fact that the tooth fairy does not exist."
Lame rebuttal.
"We have no evidence that Saddam had started making them again."
I agree with that.
"But that will never be enough for any of the "pro-Bush" fanatics..."
You are right, fanatics won't believe it. I beleive that's an unwritten rule of fanatacism. There are still a lot of people out there who need more than that. At the same time, as you yourself have pointed out, the anti Bush fanatics will not apologize for their accusations that he had lied.
"But he has sided with the "government knows more so they're right" position. That is in his previous post."
That, in and of itself, does not mean he believes that the government is right or wrong. I've had a lot of lengthy chats with him on this matter, he is sincere when he says he's not on either side.
"So, the US has to protect the methods by which they get demonstratably FALSE information
Demonstratably false != FALSE. Demonstrations, by nature, are not about facts, but about presentation. I can demonstrate that computer chips run on smoke because if I let the smoke out, they stop working. Before you nitpick my comment here, consider your own agruments Mr. Tooth Fairy exists because we cannot prove he/she doesn't.
"Which proves I know more than you do."
Another lame rebuttal.
"Only in your simplistic world view."
Yet another lame rebuttal.
"So you admit that the US is trying to capitalize on Iraq's oil? That's a start."
Yet another lame rebuttal. Heh. It's funny how you believe you are right, therefore you are ignoring the true meaning of what I said. That would seem to be a reocurring theme in your posts.
"That person has already proven himself to be unable to differentiate between a TV show written by fiction writers and reality."
Again with the reoccuring themes here. He started with a brief metaphor to explain the silliness of the anti Bush zealots out there, and now it's being spun as a doesn't understand the difference between fiction and reality. Honestly man, it is your own fault for trying to turn that as an insult. It is truely amazing how some people get by in this world by drawing such harsh conclusions without facts to back them up. I imagine you would have been a riot a few hundred years ago. The sun revolves around the Earth!! Burn anybody who disagrees!!
"We invade. We don't find the what at the where. We don't find the what anywhere... Conclusion: Bush and Co did NOT have exact knowledge."
Iraq had plenty of advance notice we were coming. Argument rejected.
"Well, I'm sure you believe it is good to be so in touch with your feelings. Don't let those pesky facts get in the way.... Yes, you are "pro-Bush". That is the EXACT same "logic" that he followed. All belief and no facts... Now, if there had been "WMD's" in Iraq, then Bush's lie would never have been exposed...."
You are not operating on facts either. It is not a fact that the WMDs are or are not in Iraq. It is not a fact that Bush did or did not lie. It is not a fact that the US government did or did not have legitimate info on the WMDs. Despite all this, you hold on tightly to your beliefs. You're trying to nail NG for this? At least he said he was up for civilized discussion about it.
"That is a side. You've sided with the "government knows more so they're right" position. Even when their public claims have been proven to be FALSE."
I've talked with him about this before. He's saying he can't come to judgement yet, not that he has sided with the government. He has a point, if the US tells us how they got information on things such as WMD, then the rest of the world knows how to prevent us from finding out about future BS such as this. Usually, proven false means somebody came up with a good reason to continue to believe what we believe anyway. Proof isn't typically the appropriate term. It's sort of like how Apple proved that their machines were twice as fast as Intel machines. You are not operating with facts here.
"So, if I say 1+1=5, then you'd believe me because I know things you don't know."
This is one of the dumbest responses I have ever read. The amusing thing is that mathematicians have proven that 1 + 1 = other numbers before. That is not why this argument is dumb, though. It's the simple self-servingness of it.
"Ummm, Saddam is in US custody. Bush Sr is not."
Ummm, his point was that if it were about revenge, Saddam would not be alive in US custody. Argument rejected.
"Then you need to look at how the US government is handling Iraq's oil wells."
I think you do too.
"Okaaaaaaaaay. Well, it's been nice chatting with you. I'll let you get back to Dr. Spock and Kirk now. Don't hurt yourself. "
Spock was not a doctor. Doctor Spock wrote books on the care of children, or something like that. Also, he was accusing the anti Bush people of making things out to be too much like Star Trek. You should have put a little more time into that little goodbye kiss.
"A good proportion of the slashdot crowd is completely unable to comprehend the differences between trademarks, copyrights..."
Yeah because knowing the difference between copyright and trademark is sure to earn you an invitation to Mensa.
"and what was the point of this thread?"
The point was that Enterprise isn't causing inconsistencies in the Trek timeline. You have to go up a couple of posts before you can see the "Pull a Star Trek" comment that started the whole discussion in the first place.
I'm growing increasingly annoyed with people pretending to be historians of the future.
"One is trivia, the other is a disagreement with a major artistic decision in the show."
Yes, it's easy to distinguish them that way, especially when your heart is already set on hating the Enterprise theme song. To those who just don't care either way, it's really not all that different. It's still needlessly nitpicky. It's still a waste of effort. It's still mind-numbingly dull.
"Perhaps you should take your own advice, and just get over it?"
Wow, his comment really irks you. Perhaps you should take your own advice, and just get over it, and not respond to his comment?
If you find that suggestion unacceptable, then I suggest you look for a different way to try to dismiss his point of view. Implying he's a hypocrite just isn't going anywhere.
"Please tell me they are leaving that dreadful theme song behind."
... Frenzy I think? The little tape dude whose arms turned into smashy things...) In the cartoon, the blue one was Rumble, and the black one was the other dude whose name I can't recall. In the comic book, the colors were reversed. The comic book people thought they were right, the cartoon people thought they were right. Result? A never-ending argument that just wound people up for no good reason.
There's an FAQ out there for the cartoon series Transformers. If you read the FAQ, there's a question about an acronym (the term of it escapes me at the moment) that defined an argument that would never disappear. There were two characters that were physically very similar, just different colors. (Rumble and
Every time somebody mentions the Enterprise theme-song, I think of that FAQ. Why? Because the color of that particular Decepticon doesn't mean a damn thing to the show or the comic book. Everybody's right, yet it still goes absolutely nowhere. It's just some point for people to butt heads on.
"It's a good thing Linus has a sense of humor. He might smite them down."
I wouldn't be sickened by this comment if it had been modded funny instead of insightful...
"All drivers are included in the kernel. Seems pretty centralized to me. Nice troll, though."
This dismissive attitude about problems with Linux (ill-informed or not) is exactly why I won't switch. I'm so sick of the 7337 attitude some people like you have. You're just going to have to deal with the fact that you'll have n00bs complaining about things like this.
"The Bush administration is directly responsible for the Ashcroft DoJ's fullscale assault, including but not limited to the "USA-PATRIOT Act," on traditional American liberties."
Actually, it was Osama's fault.
"They said its time to get Mr. Bush and his Nazi party out of the white house."
Boy, a lot of people are going to be sorely disappointed when they get a new president and none of the problems we have today go away.
"When 3,000 innocent people died."
I'm disappointed that this was modded down. Every time this kind of bullshit happens, it's assumed the goverment is trying to be evil as opposed to remember what started all this to begin with. Equally disappointing, it's pretty clear that NG was answering the question as opposed to trying to make some political statement.
"I wish I could find that damn butterfly that keeps causing all those unforseen outages."
Try MSN.com!
"Backwards compatibility with what, exactly?"
Exactly. Sony's going to feel the pinch from this. They'll have to excel just to have a mild success.
"Remember back a year ago when CNN and the rest refused to show "unhelpful" footage that Al Jazeera shot of the POW's in Iraq? "
That was hardly censorship. It was "let's not humiliate our soldiers."
Mod parent up! Making a TMNT reference here is like using a Q in Scrabble.
"But please, keep arguing if you'd like. I'm sure Nintendo will give you a discount for your fierce loyalty. "
I have never seen anybody on the winning side of a debate say "You must financially benefit from the company you are supporting." Isn't that a variant of Godwin's Law?
"Yeah, I need some new coaster too."
Redhat comes with 7 of them.
"There is no evidence to say that there is a significant overlap in these groups."
Really? Then how come, in both cases, there isn't a ~50/50 balance of opinion?
You're generalizing about 10's of millions of people there.
An AC beat me to it, but it appears you've missed it. It's 300 terabytes, not 300 gigabytes.
You're also conveniently avoiding the whole practicality issues he brought up.
"Frrrpbpbpbp... DAMN! I just gave my position away!"
Heh. I've actually done something like that. There's a mod for Quake called Q3F. (Note: I think that was copied off something done for Half Life, but for the life of me I can't remember what it was called unless it was called Fortress.) In the game you got to be one of several classes. For example, the Medic class can run around and heal people. I used to be the spy. One of the options you had as spy was a cloaking doohickey. While you're cloaked, you can't move. Your point of view is locked. All you can really do is drop the cloak or toss grenades. I used to be really obnoxious to the other team. I'd cloak in their base, and then stab in the back when they run by me. (Instant kill if you pull it off.)
Well, one guy made it a mission to find me. We went through 3 or 4 rounds of him trying to find me and *SpLaT* I'd stab him in the back. I actually started to get cocky about it, and he picked up on that. He said "That was a good kill, man." to which I replied "Thanks!" *SpLaT* When I typed that, the chat icon appeared over my head, and he sniped me.
"When X states "hardware is better" and you say "Graphics are worse" you've got a classic Apples vs. Oranges situation. "
No, I don't think so. It's not as simple as that by a long shot. This isn't a Mac vs. PC style thing where one does some things better than the other. (And vice versa.) The conversation was about the graphic power of all three machines and how it relates to playing the same games. The Playstation 2 is underpowered in comparison to the GameCube and the XBOX. If it has advantages in particular areas, fine, but the end result has not improved.
If we were talking about the various controllers of each system, well then, you'd be absolutely right.