That's not a failure of logic. It's a wad of insight rolled up into a package that Mr. "I'm smarter than you" isn't witty enough to realize. He was pointing out that the results don't match up to what he was describing.
Though his post wasn't the most tactfully worded, it was still quite a valid point. Too many people try to pass try to pass off observations about why something wouldn't happen the way it did in a movie as proof of their higher existence. Why reward them for making such a frivilous nitpick? Why punish the guy who rightfully tells them to shut up?
Not true. You have to learn how to convert the numbers 1 through 12 into fractions of 60. Digital is written almost as simply as it is stated in common dialog.
"you can for example more easily tell how much time you have until some other time."
I'll grant you that one. Diver's watches come to mind. It's easy to tell underwater how much air you have left with a properly equipped watch.
"And it's faster to read, with digital watch you need to read four numbers, while with analog watch you just need to see the position of the two arms."
Wrong. With a digital watch, you read in 4 numbers and instantly know the time. With an analog watch, you have to do mental arithmetic to figure out exactly what time it is. Even somebody who's really gotten used to an analog watch has to glance at one longer than he or she would with a digital watch.
"And especially in dark, you can make analog watch to be self-illuminating, while doing it with digital watch eats up power."
Analog watches require power to luminate as well. Unless you mean glow in the dark, which has to be 'charged' by light in the first place.
If you're talking about battery efficiency, digital watches last for years before needing a battery replacement. Even if an analog watch lasts longer than that, with years involved, you're reaching a point of diminishing returns. I have a watch taped to my TV right now (band broke) that's on it's original batteries from 1999.
"As a every day device to read time from, analog display is IMHO better than digital, even if only slightly."
That's a tough sell for me. Though I agree that recognizing symbols (i.e. reading watch hands) can yield to faster interpretation, I didn't come to that conclusion between analog and digital watches. For the record, though, I don't think analog is stupid or should die. My preferences are just that, my own. I'm not disagreeing with your points to say "analog should die", simply I just don't agree with those particular details.:)
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"These guys are about to wipe the memory of a robot on another planet and they're confident and casual. Just flashing the bios of my motherboard in my computer room causes me anguish and fills me with terror..."
They're relieved to just have an option available. Otherwise, it's simply dead.
I slept in late that Saturday. I walked into the living room like a zombie, and turned on the TV. I saw the sparkly shimmery light. It took me a moment, in my groggy state, to read the caption. "Columbia Tragedy" I picked it up right way. My girlfriend walked in and said "I wasn't sure whether to wake you when the news broke." I spent the rest of the day tuned to the radio, listening... listening. Getting little blurbs of news here and there. I remember when somebody showed me a photo taken of one of the helmets that survived. Ugh.
I can't believe that you're saying that Linux will absolutely fail in the phone market! What you don't understand is that it's really extensible and people can edit the code and make it work. Of course, you wouldn't know this since you assume that Symbian is the absolute best ever in every possible way and nothing could ever possibly touch it. But, I excuse your ignorance.
You are making a real ass of yourself. Here is a tip for everybody: Don't post while you're gritting your teeth. Can't speak for everybody, but I myself have gone off on stupid rants like this because I was too emotionally charged.
I think the point he's making is that it's the apps that will win, not the OS. In that regard, Microsoft will fight hard to compete.
Personally, I think he's downplaying the cost a little too much, but I do think he's got a point that this is nothing new for Microsoft. They still manage to rule even when technically they're inferior.
"You mean that microsoft apologists might actually admit that their products are more difficult to secure and remotely administer by design?"
Apologist? Heh okay. Actually I was talking about the borderline fiction that flies around about Microsoft on Slashdot. "RTFA they all cried!"
As for 'admitting that their products are difficult to secure', to be honest, I don't remember anybody denying that. Blown out of proportion? Sure. Whatever.
"Or are you just tired of people pointing out that your chosen platform is far from perfect, or even good in many cases?"
Compared to... Linux? Heh. Please. Nobody gets modded down for saying that Windows is a pain in the ass, but when you criticize Linux, man you better be as diplomatic as possible.
"In bed, arms around a cute sexy guy, snuggling, because I can administer a Linux-running server on practically any internet-connected device which can take an input, and deliver an output."
Yawn. You deal with servers, I deal with desktops. Actually even when I did deal with Microsoft servers, I found myself with a lot of time to play around on Slashdot. Pity not that many people have had that pleasant of experience. Oh well. Guess you gotta use the right tool for the right job, don'tcha? Glad you're happy. Pity you're so bitter that you feel the need to attack me over things I didn't say.
"I had the misfortune of turning into an African Sparrow down in engineering. Everybody thought they were funny by quoting Monty Python at me. Assholes."
"Is this a precursor to DRM in scanners, CD drives, and output devices?"
Nope. It's a pre-emptive step to avoid government mandated DRM in scanners, CD drives, and output devices. If wide-spread counterfitting were to occur because one of these devices was capable of pulling it off, the manufacturer would be able to say "we took reasonable steps to avoid this." If they didn't do that, then the gov't would no doubt cook up its own solution to the problem. I am not a huge fan of this, I would rather these companies stay out of the legal cross-fire.
The United States is going to protect its currency very heavily. Don't provoke them by trying to circumvent this.
"If I were you, I'd reexamine that attitude for this battle. You're making Microsoft a big fan of the DMCA."
NG has a point. There is all this work being done to hack the XBOX, but there's no killer app for doing so. Without that app, it is a difficult case to fight. Microsoft could buy a lot of pro-DMCA politicians.
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That's not a failure of logic. It's a wad of insight rolled up into a package that Mr. "I'm smarter than you" isn't witty enough to realize. He was pointing out that the results don't match up to what he was describing.
"So why is it okay for Palm to have their trademark?"
Because we love Palm and hate MS!!
Parent post is not off-topic.
I'm not terribly interested in having that debate. Instead, I'm trying to point out that you're reaching to desperation to win.
Not only was that a lame-ass argument, but easy to defeat too.
You are trying too hard dude, seriously.
"Bad comparison - not all of us call SCO names in public, but the BBC presented all of us as OSS zealots who attacked SCO's site."
Actually they said they were the likely culprit.
Though his post wasn't the most tactfully worded, it was still quite a valid point. Too many people try to pass try to pass off observations about why something wouldn't happen the way it did in a movie as proof of their higher existence. Why reward them for making such a frivilous nitpick? Why punish the guy who rightfully tells them to shut up?
"Vice City relieves that."
Until you read the newspaper the following morning.
"Like it's more intuitive"
:)
Not true. You have to learn how to convert the numbers 1 through 12 into fractions of 60. Digital is written almost as simply as it is stated in common dialog.
"you can for example more easily tell how much time you have until some other time."
I'll grant you that one. Diver's watches come to mind. It's easy to tell underwater how much air you have left with a properly equipped watch.
"And it's faster to read, with digital watch you need to read four numbers, while with analog watch you just need to see the position of the two arms."
Wrong. With a digital watch, you read in 4 numbers and instantly know the time. With an analog watch, you have to do mental arithmetic to figure out exactly what time it is. Even somebody who's really gotten used to an analog watch has to glance at one longer than he or she would with a digital watch.
"And especially in dark, you can make analog watch to be self-illuminating, while doing it with digital watch eats up power."
Analog watches require power to luminate as well. Unless you mean glow in the dark, which has to be 'charged' by light in the first place.
If you're talking about battery efficiency, digital watches last for years before needing a battery replacement. Even if an analog watch lasts longer than that, with years involved, you're reaching a point of diminishing returns. I have a watch taped to my TV right now (band broke) that's on it's original batteries from 1999.
"As a every day device to read time from, analog display is IMHO better than digital, even if only slightly."
That's a tough sell for me. Though I agree that recognizing symbols (i.e. reading watch hands) can yield to faster interpretation, I didn't come to that conclusion between analog and digital watches. For the record, though, I don't think analog is stupid or should die. My preferences are just that, my own. I'm not disagreeing with your points to say "analog should die", simply I just don't agree with those particular details.
That's not what meta-moderation does.
"These guys are about to wipe the memory of a robot on another planet and they're confident and casual. Just flashing the bios of my motherboard in my computer room causes me anguish and fills me with terror..."
They're relieved to just have an option available. Otherwise, it's simply dead.
I slept in late that Saturday. I walked into the living room like a zombie, and turned on the TV. I saw the sparkly shimmery light. It took me a moment, in my groggy state, to read the caption. "Columbia Tragedy" I picked it up right way. My girlfriend walked in and said "I wasn't sure whether to wake you when the news broke." I spent the rest of the day tuned to the radio, listening ... listening. Getting little blurbs of news here and there. I remember when somebody showed me a photo taken of one of the helmets that survived. Ugh.
I have clear memories of that day.
I can't believe that you're saying that Linux will absolutely fail in the phone market! What you don't understand is that it's really extensible and people can edit the code and make it work. Of course, you wouldn't know this since you assume that Symbian is the absolute best ever in every possible way and nothing could ever possibly touch it. But, I excuse your ignorance.
You are making a real ass of yourself. Here is a tip for everybody: Don't post while you're gritting your teeth. Can't speak for everybody, but I myself have gone off on stupid rants like this because I was too emotionally charged.
I think the point he's making is that it's the apps that will win, not the OS. In that regard, Microsoft will fight hard to compete.
Personally, I think he's downplaying the cost a little too much, but I do think he's got a point that this is nothing new for Microsoft. They still manage to rule even when technically they're inferior.
I think you struck a nerve, dude. Too bad ya got us both modded as troll.
"You mean that microsoft apologists might actually admit that their products are more difficult to secure and remotely administer by design?"
Apologist? Heh okay. Actually I was talking about the borderline fiction that flies around about Microsoft on Slashdot. "RTFA they all cried!"
As for 'admitting that their products are difficult to secure', to be honest, I don't remember anybody denying that. Blown out of proportion? Sure. Whatever.
"Or are you just tired of people pointing out that your chosen platform is far from perfect, or even good in many cases?"
Compared to... Linux? Heh. Please. Nobody gets modded down for saying that Windows is a pain in the ass, but when you criticize Linux, man you better be as diplomatic as possible.
"In bed, arms around a cute sexy guy, snuggling, because I can administer a Linux-running server on practically any internet-connected device which can take an input, and deliver an output."
Yawn. You deal with servers, I deal with desktops. Actually even when I did deal with Microsoft servers, I found myself with a lot of time to play around on Slashdot. Pity not that many people have had that pleasant of experience. Oh well. Guess you gotta use the right tool for the right job, don'tcha? Glad you're happy. Pity you're so bitter that you feel the need to attack me over things I didn't say.
"I hope NASA starts testing their warp drive soon"
Something like that migh tactually cause Microsoft sensationalism to go extinct for a few days!
>Well, I try to avoid "moments of distraction" while being asked to enter my bank account information.
People also try not to wreck their cars while they adjust the volume on their radio, but it happens anyway.
"I had the misfortune of turning into an African Sparrow down in engineering. Everybody thought they were funny by quoting Monty Python at me. Assholes."
Swallow you smeghead. African Swallow.
"Is this a precursor to DRM in scanners, CD drives, and output devices?"
Nope. It's a pre-emptive step to avoid government mandated DRM in scanners, CD drives, and output devices. If wide-spread counterfitting were to occur because one of these devices was capable of pulling it off, the manufacturer would be able to say "we took reasonable steps to avoid this." If they didn't do that, then the gov't would no doubt cook up its own solution to the problem. I am not a huge fan of this, I would rather these companies stay out of the legal cross-fire.
The United States is going to protect its currency very heavily. Don't provoke them by trying to circumvent this.
"If I were you, I'd reexamine that attitude for this battle. You're making Microsoft a big fan of the DMCA."
NG has a point. There is all this work being done to hack the XBOX, but there's no killer app for doing so. Without that app, it is a difficult case to fight. Microsoft could buy a lot of pro-DMCA politicians.
"I noticed a couple of downmods here. I was just wondering: Why is this post considered flamebait?
I ask because I don't have any NFI what QT, GTK, or Glib, or Bonobo is. Kinda wish the dude used the post button instead of a mod point."
Flamebait? That is one of the dumbest moderations I have ever seen. I hope the metamods get you.
"I can read the NY Times, Slashdot, live Associated Press feeds, and much more. I don't have to rely on biased news sources (FOX, anyone?)"
I hope you're not getting your Microsoft news here.
Nfi why this was modded as troll. Meta-modding as unfair.