Photo ID? Where do you vote? I've voted in Florida (long ago) and in Mass., and I have never been asked for any sort of ID whatsoever (what if I didn't have any?) -- if my name is on the roll, and not crossed off yet, I get to vote.
(a) would have to be indepenently reviewed by security experts to ensure that the process will consistently produce somethign meeting the referenc standards.
Um, who gets to select the security "experts"?
I agree that software development is not a repeatable process; however manufacturing is. Can we ensure that an employee doesn't insert his own trojan software into a voting machine? Do we check for this every time?
No, and no.
Reliance on any one (or small group) of "experts" (read: "infallible", a la God, the Pope, etc.) is a recipe for failure.
Nope, I read it. I guess you misread, or simply ignored, the original post to which you replied, which clearly confused Hyperchip and the new technology, to wit:
[This new technology] has been done before, probably the most recent incarnation is hypertransport from AMD. The only difference at the 50,000ft view is that the speeds and feeds are faster. This is an evolutionary step, not revolutionary or innovationary,
Although you didn't directly re-state the posters' false claim, you did continue that thread, which was based soley on an incorrect assertion, and fueled the fire of misinformation by adding you own comment to it, and perhaps even confusing matters more by bringing up the (wholly Offtopic) point that "HyperTransport is more than AMD. In fact, it includes Sun!"
It's not that big of a deal, so it's OK. As I said, you're excused for your ignorance. It's the moron moderators who modded you Informative that should be caned.
This is MISinformative. Perhaps the noble moderator misread the Informative option as Misinformative? Or perhaps the gentle moderator doesn't know the difference between Hypertransport(TM) (a bus standard like, but faster than, ISA, PCI, etc. using plain old PCB traces as chip interconnect) and the new PCB-less chip interconnect discussed in the fine article? If this is the case (and I suspect it is), I must note that the moderator had no business moderating this particular post.
The original poster is ignorant and should be excused. By accepting a position of responsibility and authority, the moderator should only moderate posts about which he or she has at least a moderate understanding, and even then, in moderation.
Psst -- tin-foil hat guy: I hate to break it to you, but these connections between the chips you're worried about already exist in all the electronics you already own. They're even bigger (especially longer) and easier to tap, and unlike this new technology, they have nice big output drivers with big, easy to read signal swing voltage. They're called traces, sometimes even simple wires, and you're gonna need a lot of tinfoil to cover up all that surface area -- please be careful around the powere supply.;)
In any case, if you're going to do anything with whatever you might glean by eavesdropping between two chips, you're going to need a fast processor and lots of storage nearby (at least 2x max data transfer between chips) plus some very big, very expensive, and very delicate test leads. I think I'd notice if all 20-lbs. of a HP83K test-harness was hanging out of my box in all of its nightmare-spagetti glory.
Isn't that called a trace? Or another fancy name would be a lead? I think that there are people with prior art...
No, a trace is a flat wire stuck to (or etched from) a printed circuit board. This invention (process, really, see below) obviates the need for PCB's between (at least some of the) chips. A lead is a wire, not stuck to a PCB, such as the input connections to most oscilloscopes and test equipment.
I don't get it either. You want to make memory access faster and faster, so you put it closer and closer to the cpu. Eventually the bus length reaches 0, as the two chips are physically adjacent. So what?
As with many great inventions, the difficulty is not so much thinking of what needs to be done, but in actually doing it cost-effectively. System designers have been trying to use the idea of optimized interconnect (sometimes called "integration", as in LSI, VLSI, etc.) but it has remained cost-prohibitive in most cases (notable exceptions include the Pentium Pro and some ATI mobility products, but these are more desperation moves than anything, since margins drop on multi-chip "chips", and they had to do it to get the needed result even though the costs were higher than normally tolerable.)
So, sure, light bulbs are obvious, as are cars, space shuttles, computers, etc. The hard part is making them possible technically and economically.
Hope that helps you two understand why the ASIC-design industry is pretty damn excited and anxious to license this technology (if we really can do this as cheaply as they claim).
And I wonder how many times this originally insightful, but now painfully redundant notion will be posted in this thread. I counted 6 so far. Most modded insightful, some left alone, but only one redundant.
You with the mod points! Yes you! Let's get some redundant mods out there whether they belong, mmkay?
Hey Mods, you might want to RTFA before you mod as "Offtopic" a comment that includes a quite from the article. Overrated? Probably. Flamebait? Maybe. Troll? You never really know . . . but not Offtopic.
Hmm, I guess I'm supposed to talk about Linux and open source and some ideology or another. I tried to come up with something really inspirational and altruistic-like. But I felt so dirty lying like that.
So, I'll admit it: I'm going to play Half-Life 2, on WindowsXP, the day it is released. And, I bet, the next day, and the next day, and the next day, . . .
I want to know the answers to those questions. I want to believe the Dems have some solid proposals. So much so that I spent hours poring over te Dean and Kerry pages you linked. And, contrary to your claim, I did not find one single answer (or idea) to any of those questions. I did, of course, find ample complaining about the existing administration. But not one concrete or meaningful statement of alternate proposal(s).
"Anything but what we're doing now" is NOT a real suggestion. It's silly, naieve, and only appeals to those whose hate for the current administration has overwhelmed their ability to think clearly and maintain healthy skepticism about their own party.
So, I give up. It's now up to you. If you want me to consider the alternatives, you've got to tell me what the alternatives are. Right now I have no idea. Show me the "answers (or ideas) for each of these questions posted on their page", and please let me know which candidate's website (and where) you found these elusive gems. I sure can't find them myself, and I honestly tried.
To be clear: I am not asking for a "single unified platform for the democratic party." I'd be happy(ier, even) with a huge laundry list of (reasonable) suggestions to fix the problems. Judging form the awful mud-slinging pages I just waded through, there are no real suggestions, just complaints.
You've never used a Sun Ray, have you? It snags your entire display and environment, without disturbing it in any way, no matter where it's pointing, and puts it where you are, no matter where that happens to be.
rsync moves files -- it synchronizes 2 file systems (or directories) that are separated logically or geographically. You can't compare this to a Sun Ray that automagically makes your exact desktop and env appear anywhere you want it to be in seconds (and it's the same copy, not a duplicate) without copying anything.
Different ballgame. I work with the Sun high-end server group (on a common project, not for them per se) and the Sun guys can pop their ID cards into any ($300 and cheaper, not counting monitor) Ray anywhere (about the size of a cable modem ), including the cafeteria and some bathrooms, and have their desktop environment set up instantly, just as they left it, with full security and access rights.
Please show me how to do this with rsync. I mean really -- not just saving my home dir (which maybe 100GB) on a smartcard and waiting for backup/restore on logout/login.
Er, what's broken at Sun, and what makes you think that? I think we need to start there before someone much smarter and richer than you bothers to address your inane, ill-informed question.
Not for nothing, but a customer who wants to buy their "line-up"?
Are you asking who wants to buy their lineup?
If so: NEC, IBM, Intel, Philips, Toshiba, Fujitsu, LSI, Sony, Hitachi, Acer, AST, Panasonic (matsushita), Canon, Sharp, Mitsubishi . . . ad infinitum.
And those are just the kids buying their expensive stuff. There's plenty of IT juniors still drooling over Sun servers. Reliability, Acessibility, and Scalability are still valuable to some people.
So because web content sucks, you shouldn't have to pay for it?
And then go off into a long rant based on this, but I am not clear on who said "web content sucks"?
The parent post to which your reply didn't say that -- he merely said he could do without a lot, arguing that his minimum mental transaction cot is high (to use the terminology of the article), so he would rather do without a lot before paying even a little, even for things he enjoys.
The article itself certainly didn't argue that web content sucks, rather the opposite: that what seems to be happening -- free content is growing in both amount and quality -- is what's actually happening.
So, rather than rip into the rest of your argument, I'd be interested in hearing how your introductory statement, which serves as the foundation of your argument, is in any way relevant to this topic.
I think you missed a key point - he's not talking about mileage, he's talking about a REALTIME miles-per-gallon display. That is the instantaneous mpg your vehicle is traveling at a moment in time. I have a 2000 Jetta with every option, and unless he added it afterwards, your brother does NOT have this option.:)
Maybe you have every option for the model you seleced, but I can assure you that the top-end (US models, at least) VW Jettas have had both instantaneous and average MPG displays since 1998 at least (my 1998 Jetta had it, as did my 2000, and so does my new 2003 Jetta GLX).
I can't recall the acronyms for the older sub-models, but in the case of 2003 Jettas, you can't get the "dash computer" (which includes the MPG displays among other cool features, such as miles remaining in tank, trip time, etc.) unless you get the GLX model, which really has no options (I think you can pay for 17" rims vs. the standard 16", but that's not really an option, more of a dealer-provided aftermarket thing, I believe). You get V6, leather, sunroof, power everything with memory, monsoon stereo, automatic climate control, trip-tronic automatic transmission, alloy rims, etc. with the GLX whether you like it or not, and several of those features are unavailable on lower-end Jettas.
To bring this a little bit back OT, I'm surprised that the mileage isn't better than the 30-50 the opsted noted. I get 29-31MPG avg in the city with my V6 Jetta (and I am an acelleration-addict), and almost 40MPG on highway trips. I thought the hybrids were much better.
You're kidding, right? I mean, I don't think ID thieves usually do a whole lot of depositing funds when they create fake accounts in an unwitting victim's name. I think they usually try to obtain credit in that name, then use that credit to obtain cash and/or goods.
A very strange comment indeed, but it does remind me of some joke about a bank asking a new applicant for a list of persons authorized to make a deposit into the account. The answer, of course, being something like "anyone should be allowed to deposit -- it's the withdrawls I'd like to restrict."
Stop the FUD please. You don't know how they do it, nor do you know that they do it at all. You're just making that up. My company hires H1B's, ad every time they do, they have to post a big notice all over work showing the position sought, the salary range to be paid, and the terms of employment. We've even had a few unannounced visitors come to make sure all was in order, and in a few cases they requested salary records from HR, and even interviewed other employees (in same positions, but not H1B) with questions obviously aimed to see if we thought the salary was "fair."
Nor do they "get around paying overtime," at least not for long, and not without serious consequences when (not if) caught. Unless you mean making you an "exempt" employee, which seems hardly trickery to me, since in most cases exempt employees are makign big bucks and are payed a salary to produce, not hourly to mind the fry machine.
If your goal is to draw attention to the many problems with American corporations, please note that exaggeration and FUD-spewing will hurt your cause, as most thinking folks can see through your weak, empy allegations.
IANAL, and did not need one when helping my wife get a green card. I couldn't even begin to imagine why one would need a lawyer for the relatively simple and inexpensive process of obtaining a green card. The process is pretty trivial (if the immigrant has a spouse or relative who is a US citizen, i.e., me in this case -- I assume it's much harder if not).
All of the documents and procedures we needed to know ere available on.gov websites, and if you're slow or really paranoid there are loads of (free) FAQs and forums available to help you avoid the few potential pitfalls that do exist.
I suppose having a lawyer is always a not-too-bad idea (and I hate that fact), but I'm not sure I agree with your characterization of "a good lawyer" as a "mandatory requirement" for getting a green card.
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Photo ID? Where do you vote? I've voted in Florida (long ago) and in Mass., and I have never been asked for any sort of ID whatsoever (what if I didn't have any?) -- if my name is on the roll, and not crossed off yet, I get to vote.
Where is this photo ID thing in place?
(a) would have to be indepenently reviewed by security experts to ensure that the process will consistently produce somethign meeting the referenc standards.
Um, who gets to select the security "experts"?
I agree that software development is not a repeatable process; however manufacturing is. Can we ensure that an employee doesn't insert his own trojan software into a voting machine? Do we check for this every time?
No, and no.
Reliance on any one (or small group) of "experts" (read: "infallible", a la God, the Pope, etc.) is a recipe for failure.
Nope, I read it. I guess you misread, or simply ignored, the original post to which you replied, which clearly confused Hyperchip and the new technology, to wit:
[This new technology] has been done before, probably the most recent incarnation is hypertransport from AMD. The only difference at the 50,000ft view is that the speeds and feeds are faster. This is an evolutionary step, not revolutionary or innovationary,
Although you didn't directly re-state the posters' false claim, you did continue that thread, which was based soley on an incorrect assertion, and fueled the fire of misinformation by adding you own comment to it, and perhaps even confusing matters more by bringing up the (wholly Offtopic) point that "HyperTransport is more than AMD. In fact, it includes Sun!"
It's not that big of a deal, so it's OK. As I said, you're excused for your ignorance. It's the moron moderators who modded you Informative that should be caned.
Yes, it is. And no, it doesn't. The Transputer has a printed-circuit board. This doesn't. Any more questions?
This is MISinformative. Perhaps the noble moderator misread the Informative option as Misinformative? Or perhaps the gentle moderator doesn't know the difference between Hypertransport(TM) (a bus standard like, but faster than, ISA, PCI, etc. using plain old PCB traces as chip interconnect) and the new PCB-less chip interconnect discussed in the fine article? If this is the case (and I suspect it is), I must note that the moderator had no business moderating this particular post.
The original poster is ignorant and should be excused. By accepting a position of responsibility and authority, the moderator should only moderate posts about which he or she has at least a moderate understanding, and even then, in moderation.
Psst -- tin-foil hat guy: I hate to break it to you, but these connections between the chips you're worried about already exist in all the electronics you already own. They're even bigger (especially longer) and easier to tap, and unlike this new technology, they have nice big output drivers with big, easy to read signal swing voltage. They're called traces, sometimes even simple wires, and you're gonna need a lot of tinfoil to cover up all that surface area -- please be careful around the powere supply. ;)
In any case, if you're going to do anything with whatever you might glean by eavesdropping between two chips, you're going to need a fast processor and lots of storage nearby (at least 2x max data transfer between chips) plus some very big, very expensive, and very delicate test leads. I think I'd notice if all 20-lbs. of a HP83K test-harness was hanging out of my box in all of its nightmare-spagetti glory.
Isn't that called a trace? Or another fancy name would be a lead? I think that there are people with prior art...
No, a trace is a flat wire stuck to (or etched from) a printed circuit board. This invention (process, really, see below) obviates the need for PCB's between (at least some of the) chips. A lead is a wire, not stuck to a PCB, such as the input connections to most oscilloscopes and test equipment.
I don't get it either. You want to make memory access faster and faster, so you put it closer and closer to the cpu. Eventually the bus length reaches 0, as the two chips are physically adjacent. So what?
As with many great inventions, the difficulty is not so much thinking of what needs to be done, but in actually doing it cost-effectively. System designers have been trying to use the idea of optimized interconnect (sometimes called "integration", as in LSI, VLSI, etc.) but it has remained cost-prohibitive in most cases (notable exceptions include the Pentium Pro and some ATI mobility products, but these are more desperation moves than anything, since margins drop on multi-chip "chips", and they had to do it to get the needed result even though the costs were higher than normally tolerable.)
So, sure, light bulbs are obvious, as are cars, space shuttles, computers, etc. The hard part is making them possible technically and economically.
Hope that helps you two understand why the ASIC-design industry is pretty damn excited and anxious to license this technology (if we really can do this as cheaply as they claim).
They are, of course, being withheld pending dramatic improvement in the average grammar demonstrated by Slashdot posters. Didn't you get the memo?
try:
% ipfw show
or, if that's too much info:
% ipfw show | grep divert
And I wonder how many times this originally insightful, but now painfully redundant notion will be posted in this thread. I counted 6 so far. Most modded insightful, some left alone, but only one redundant.
You with the mod points! Yes you! Let's get some redundant mods out there whether they belong, mmkay?
Hey Mods, you might want to RTFA before you mod as "Offtopic" a comment that includes a quite from the article. Overrated? Probably. Flamebait? Maybe. Troll? You never really know . . . but not Offtopic.
Hmm, I guess I'm supposed to talk about Linux and open source and some ideology or another. I tried to come up with something really inspirational and altruistic-like. But I felt so dirty lying like that.
So, I'll admit it: I'm going to play Half-Life 2, on WindowsXP, the day it is released. And, I bet, the next day, and the next day, and the next day, . . .
Ha Ha!
I want to know the answers to those questions. I want to believe the Dems have some solid proposals. So much so that I spent hours poring over te Dean and Kerry pages you linked. And, contrary to your claim, I did not find one single answer (or idea) to any of those questions. I did, of course, find ample complaining about the existing administration. But not one concrete or meaningful statement of alternate proposal(s).
"Anything but what we're doing now" is NOT a real suggestion. It's silly, naieve, and only appeals to those whose hate for the current administration has overwhelmed their ability to think clearly and maintain healthy skepticism about their own party.
So, I give up. It's now up to you. If you want me to consider the alternatives, you've got to tell me what the alternatives are. Right now I have no idea. Show me the "answers (or ideas) for each of these questions posted on their page", and please let me know which candidate's website (and where) you found these elusive gems. I sure can't find them myself, and I honestly tried.
To be clear: I am not asking for a "single unified platform for the democratic party." I'd be happy(ier, even) with a huge laundry list of (reasonable) suggestions to fix the problems. Judging form the awful mud-slinging pages I just waded through, there are no real suggestions, just complaints.
You've never used a Sun Ray, have you? It snags your entire display and environment, without disturbing it in any way, no matter where it's pointing, and puts it where you are, no matter where that happens to be.
rsync moves files -- it synchronizes 2 file systems (or directories) that are separated logically or geographically. You can't compare this to a Sun Ray that automagically makes your exact desktop and env appear anywhere you want it to be in seconds (and it's the same copy, not a duplicate) without copying anything.
Different ballgame. I work with the Sun high-end server group (on a common project, not for them per se) and the Sun guys can pop their ID cards into any ($300 and cheaper, not counting monitor) Ray anywhere (about the size of a cable modem ), including the cafeteria and some bathrooms, and have their desktop environment set up instantly, just as they left it, with full security and access rights.
Please show me how to do this with rsync. I mean really -- not just saving my home dir (which maybe 100GB) on a smartcard and waiting for backup/restore on logout/login.
Er, what's broken at Sun, and what makes you think that? I think we need to start there before someone much smarter and richer than you bothers to address your inane, ill-informed question.
Not for nothing, but a customer who wants to buy their "line-up"?
Are you asking who wants to buy their lineup?
If so: NEC, IBM, Intel, Philips, Toshiba, Fujitsu, LSI, Sony, Hitachi, Acer, AST, Panasonic (matsushita), Canon, Sharp, Mitsubishi . . . ad infinitum.
And those are just the kids buying their expensive stuff. There's plenty of IT juniors still drooling over Sun servers. Reliability, Acessibility, and Scalability are still valuable to some people.
I'm confused by your post. You start off with:
So because web content sucks, you shouldn't have to pay for it?
And then go off into a long rant based on this, but I am not clear on who said "web content sucks"?
The parent post to which your reply didn't say that -- he merely said he could do without a lot, arguing that his minimum mental transaction cot is high (to use the terminology of the article), so he would rather do without a lot before paying even a little, even for things he enjoys.
The article itself certainly didn't argue that web content sucks, rather the opposite: that what seems to be happening -- free content is growing in both amount and quality -- is what's actually happening.
So, rather than rip into the rest of your argument, I'd be interested in hearing how your introductory statement, which serves as the foundation of your argument, is in any way relevant to this topic.
I have sent out Xmas cards where the front was a simple 5x5 grid of letters:
A B C D E
F G H I J
K M N O P
Q R S T U
V W X Y Z
Few people ever understood, so most would end up calling for an explanation, which was fun. Same idea.
Mod me down too, because I'm an American and I find this hilarious!
Unlike so much of /., this is truly funny. Please mod accordingly.
I think you missed a key point - he's not talking about mileage, he's talking about a REALTIME miles-per-gallon display. That is the instantaneous mpg your vehicle is traveling at a moment in time. I have a 2000 Jetta with every option, and unless he added it afterwards, your brother does NOT have this option. :)
Maybe you have every option for the model you seleced, but I can assure you that the top-end (US models, at least) VW Jettas have had both instantaneous and average MPG displays since 1998 at least (my 1998 Jetta had it, as did my 2000, and so does my new 2003 Jetta GLX).
I can't recall the acronyms for the older sub-models, but in the case of 2003 Jettas, you can't get the "dash computer" (which includes the MPG displays among other cool features, such as miles remaining in tank, trip time, etc.) unless you get the GLX model, which really has no options (I think you can pay for 17" rims vs. the standard 16", but that's not really an option, more of a dealer-provided aftermarket thing, I believe). You get V6, leather, sunroof, power everything with memory, monsoon stereo, automatic climate control, trip-tronic automatic transmission, alloy rims, etc. with the GLX whether you like it or not, and several of those features are unavailable on lower-end Jettas.
To bring this a little bit back OT, I'm surprised that the mileage isn't better than the 30-50 the opsted noted. I get 29-31MPG avg in the city with my V6 Jetta (and I am an acelleration-addict), and almost 40MPG on highway trips. I thought the hybrids were much better.
You're kidding, right? I mean, I don't think ID thieves usually do a whole lot of depositing funds when they create fake accounts in an unwitting victim's name. I think they usually try to obtain credit in that name, then use that credit to obtain cash and/or goods.
A very strange comment indeed, but it does remind me of some joke about a bank asking a new applicant for a list of persons authorized to make a deposit into the account. The answer, of course, being something like "anyone should be allowed to deposit -- it's the withdrawls I'd like to restrict."
Stop the FUD please. You don't know how they do it, nor do you know that they do it at all. You're just making that up. My company hires H1B's, ad every time they do, they have to post a big notice all over work showing the position sought, the salary range to be paid, and the terms of employment. We've even had a few unannounced visitors come to make sure all was in order, and in a few cases they requested salary records from HR, and even interviewed other employees (in same positions, but not H1B) with questions obviously aimed to see if we thought the salary was "fair."
Nor do they "get around paying overtime," at least not for long, and not without serious consequences when (not if) caught. Unless you mean making you an "exempt" employee, which seems hardly trickery to me, since in most cases exempt employees are makign big bucks and are payed a salary to produce, not hourly to mind the fry machine.
If your goal is to draw attention to the many problems with American corporations, please note that exaggeration and FUD-spewing will hurt your cause, as most thinking folks can see through your weak, empy allegations.
IANAL, and did not need one when helping my wife get a green card. I couldn't even begin to imagine why one would need a lawyer for the relatively simple and inexpensive process of obtaining a green card. The process is pretty trivial (if the immigrant has a spouse or relative who is a US citizen, i.e., me in this case -- I assume it's much harder if not).
.gov websites, and if you're slow or really paranoid there are loads of (free) FAQs and forums available to help you avoid the few potential pitfalls that do exist.
All of the documents and procedures we needed to know ere available on
I suppose having a lawyer is always a not-too-bad idea (and I hate that fact), but I'm not sure I agree with your characterization of "a good lawyer" as a "mandatory requirement" for getting a green card.