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Nokia Shows Off Phone with Printable Faceplate

jonknee writes "Nokia is prepping a new phone that one-ups all the other attempts at face plates... you can print your own! Just place one of the template pages it comes with (you can buy more) into your ink jet, and make a nifty design that isn't mass marketed at every mall this side of the Mississippi. The template is perforated so you can get a nice fit around the keys. The phone looks pretty nifty as well: camera, flashlight, FM radio and about everything else." It might be fun to rename someone's keys as a practical joke, not that I've ever done it to anyone's computer keyboard.

149 comments

  1. It does so much... by typobox43 · · Score: 5, Funny

    But can you actually make phone calls with it?

    1. Re:It does so much... by aallan · · Score: 1

      Don't be silly, why on Earth would you want to be able to do that?

      Al.
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    2. Re:It does so much... by Krunch · · Score: 1

      And does it run Linux ?

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    3. Re:It does so much... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's cool with the keys that have two numbers on one key button. (obvious sarcasm)

  2. Great by jabbadabbadoo · · Score: 2, Funny

    So I shall print out my girlfriend with the great body, but ugly face. A face that will be covered by the display :-)

    1. Re:Great by Trigun · · Score: 4, Funny

      if you can video conference with it, you'll have to explain to you boss why you're laughing every time he calls you.

    2. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you can video conference with it, you'll have to explain to you boss why you're laughing every time he calls you.

      No, you'll just have to explain it once to him.

  3. Word of the day by maggotbrain_777 · · Score: 1

    All together now, class, "Wow, that's just nifty."

  4. Not Exacty by Linux+Ate+My+Dog! · · Score: 3, Informative

    I believe you can't actually rebadge the keys, the template has holes punched out that fit around the keys, much like Nokia's faceplates for the current phones.

    SO you actually don't see that much of your design on the front -- it is all keys and screen -- but a lot of it on the back.

    1. Re:Not Exacty by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      And if the Cowboy Neal has bothered to even read the blurb he cut/pasted, he might have noticed that it stated exactly this 2 LINES above where he makes his suggests his prank. Wow....I think of myself as a lazy person who never RTFA...but not even RYFP (reading your fucking post).......that just takes things to a whole new level.

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  5. Off topic, but ... by grokBoy · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... I recall hex editing someone's keyboard mappings (Windows) so that the misplaced keys still generated the correct letters.

    Hours of fun, especially for touch typists =)

    1. Re:Off topic, but ... by sonicattack · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, I did a similar thing when I attended a computer course years ago. Xmodmap can be fun if you gain access to another user's X server. One of the guys in the front of the classroom got bewildered trying to surf the web with some of the most common keys subtly transposed.

      Shifting keys around as a joke reminds me of another story too, a bit more interesting.

      Some guy called his network admin and asked for help with a "password problem". It seemed as he could log into his account when sitting down on the chair in front of the computer, but if he tried to log in standing up (!), he would get a "wrong password" error. The admin asked for the password and tried it himself. Sure enough, when he sat down, the system would let him log. When he stood up and tried logging in with the same name and password, no go. Now this is not the usual kind of problem you run into. So he checked if there was some kind of interference, like some cable being shifted when anyone stood up from the chair, but he couldn't find any such thing.

      It turned out that someone, as a joke, had physically transposed two keys on the keyboard. Now, how could this cause the problem? Well, both the guy with the account and the admin were touch typists, and sitting down, they didn't need to look what keys they pressed. But standing up, they had to peek at the keyboard to get the keys "right". Which they didn't, of course.

      Now I can't remember where I heard this story first (Slashdot?), and I've most certainly not remembered all the details correctly, but admit it's a cool story nevertheless! :)

    2. Re:Off topic, but ... by jfengel · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Great story, but I have to call shennanigans.

      I don't believe any touch typist is going to miss the fact that keys are transposed when doing hunt-and-peck. To touch-type you have to know where the keys are pretty well, and if you move keys around it's going to feel strange. Even if a first person gets fooled, I doubt a second person will.

      Still, it's a great story, and if it isn't true, it ought to be.

    3. Re:Off topic, but ... by rasteri · · Score: 4, Funny

      A similar story -

      I once changed around the number keys at the top of the keyboard so that they went 0123456789 instead of 1234567890... it took the IT support staff weeks to figure out what was going on :)

    4. Re:Off topic, but ... by hazem · · Score: 1

      I don't believe any touch typist is going to miss the fact that keys are transposed when doing hunt-and-peck.

      Not that you'll believe me any more than the previous poster, but this did happen to me.

      I used to work at a college as a sysadmin. One day a professor e-mailed that the keyboard was messed up on one of the computers in a certain lab. So, I walked over there, then decided I should e-mail him and ask him which machine and exactly what he meant by "messed up".

      By the time I finished the e-mail, I looked down and saw that instead of "QWERTY, the first line started with "FUCKSHITDAMN". I cancelled the e-mail.

      So, yes, a touch typist can get a lot done without looking at the keys. Only the J and F are really important because they have the bumps that help line up your index fingers.

    5. Re:Off topic, but ... by lpret · · Score: 1

      That's some good security. "Hey network guy, here's my password, it doesn't work for me but maybe it will for you --" If I were the admin I would have revoked priveleges right then.

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    6. Re:Off topic, but ... by fuzza · · Score: 1

      Now I can't remember where I heard this story first (Slashdot?), and I've most certainly not remembered all the details correctly, but admit it's a cool story nevertheless! :)

      It's actually in the fortune database, under "computers":

      ... an anecdote from IBM's Yorktown Heights Research Center. When a programmer used his new computer terminal, all was fine when he was sitting down, but he couldn't log in to the system when he was standing up. That behavior was 100 percent repeatable: he could always log in when sitting and never when standing.
      Most of us just sit back and marvel at such a story; how could that terminal know whether the poor guy was sitting or standing? Good debuggers, though, know that there has to be a reason. Electrical theories are the easiest to hypothesize: was there a loose with [sic] under the carpet, or problems with static electricity? But electrical problems are rarely consistently reproducible. An alert IBMer finally noticed that the problem was in the terminal's keyboard: the tops of two keys were switched. When the programmer was seated he was a touch typist and the problem went unnoticed, but when he stood he was led astray by hunting and pecking.
      -- "Programming Pearls" column, by Jon Bentley in CACM February 1985
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    7. Re:Off topic, but ... by sonicattack · · Score: 1

      Thanks!!

      I've found many stories in there worth retelling, but didn't think about it this time!

  6. They have been out for a long time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    With a Sharpie, any phone has a paintable face.

    1. Re:They have been out for a long time by useosx · · Score: 1

      Yeah I painted my Nokia with red nail polish.

    2. Re:They have been out for a long time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vamoose!

  7. Pictures by KillerLoop · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just in case anybody is interested how this thing actually looks:
    http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,42298,00.html

    1. Re:Pictures by questamor · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Seriously, the blonde guy on that page looks freaky. No, really he scares me. What's with the mouth and nose and airbrushing? gah!

    2. Re:Pictures by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Ugh. I like my phone to actually look like a PHONE. Most of these new Nokia phones have downright ugly keypad layouts. This is no exception. Personally, I'd rather Nokia make these for the 5100 series or something. (semi-permanent labels?)

    3. Re:Pictures by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 0

      I'll stick with my P800 thanks. It's plenty-customizible and doesn't look as butt-ugly as that nokia phone.

      Nokia needs to remember that functionality is a higher priority than style.

      Well, it is for me anyway...

      N.

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    4. Re:Pictures by Viceice · · Score: 1

      I don't know about the US, but where i live, there this mobile shop that will thermal imprint any image you want on a blank cover for any current nokia phone you want...

      I think i'll be more water resistant then inkjet as well...

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    5. Re:Pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a clear faceplate that fits over your inkjet printed template. You don't have to worry about rain, you have to worry about UV. A nice pair of sun glasses or a poly coat will help though.

  8. Faceplate revenue by tessaiga · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's specs and some more PR stuff on the 3200 from the Nokia site.

    Sounds like something that'll catch on with the younger crowd; I'm surprised that no one else has done it yet. On the other hand, faceplates are a big business with that same demographic, so maybe no one's tried it because they'd rather make you pay to customize.

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  9. Inkjet + cell phone == problems? by JessLeah · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does the ink run? Holding a cell phone in your hand on a hot day is a recipe for running ink... as is drinking a glass of water next to the phone and touching the glass to the phone accidentally. Is there some sort of lamination or waterproofing provided? Otherwise, I don't think the printouts will last too long in "real world" use.

    1. Re:Inkjet + cell phone == problems? by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      i dunno how often you get water INSIDE your phone.. but that's not usually a problem for me.

      it looks like the plates go under the plastic covers rather than staying on the the top(heck, if you just want that then you can print your own covers now and glue them on the phone).

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    2. Re:Inkjet + cell phone == problems? by Nimloth · · Score: 1

      Well I guess that's just a matter of paper/ink quality... Epson, HP and Canon all have waterproof ink now if you use decent paper, and printouts should last longer than the phone with pigment ink... hell even dye lasts longer than a phone considering in 2 years it'll be outdated and dull. Again, Nokia is allowing users to freely modify covers, if the user makes a crappy printout and whines cause it's not lasting long enough, then what he needs isn't a new phone, it's a new printer.

    3. Re:Inkjet + cell phone == problems? by ldm · · Score: 1

      As this Register article and the phone tech specs (mentioned here) say, you must use non-conductive ink. What they don't say is where you find such an item -- though I don't know whether manufacturers specifically mention if their inks are conductive or not. Plus bear in mind that the cut-outs go between the inside of the phone and a transparent cover. I think custom prints will last fine; time will tell.

    4. Re:Inkjet + cell phone == problems? by Nimloth · · Score: 1

      Well... non-conductive inks... although have not heard anything specific to that matter, I would bet any dye ink would be conductive as they are made out of 80% or more water... the solution would then be pigment ink, kind of a paradox since you would probably want to make nice photo printouts for covers, and almost all photo printers use dye... ah well. Nice idea... next?!

    5. Re:Inkjet + cell phone == problems? by CGP314 · · Score: 1

      i dunno how often you get water INSIDE your phone.. but that's not usually a problem for me.

      If your have water inside your phone, you have a bigger problem than running ink. ;)

    6. Re:Inkjet + cell phone == problems? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      man, i once got whiskey inside the siemens i had on loan last winter. it worked ok for a while, i was in a real hurry and couldn't open it up immediately to dry(friend came to give a lift to another friend where the party was at) so i just swept it clean. on the way we went to the grocery store(to get some enlish cider the whiskey) where it started to act funny(at this point i also realised it had gotten some whiskey inside it and reeked of alcohol).

      couple of hours on the tv dried up the insides though and it's working even now(it was only on a loan from my brother and now his using it).

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    7. Re:Inkjet + cell phone == problems? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to worry about rain, you have to worry about UV. Leave it on that same sunny table and it's going to fade. A nice pair of sun glasses for your phone will help that though.

    8. Re:Inkjet + cell phone == problems? by FannyMinstrel · · Score: 1

      It was drunk, methinks.

  10. Interesting by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That mobile phones, one of the most useful applications of technology ever are so ubiqutious they are now practically being treated as fashion accessories rather than technology.

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    1. Re:Interesting by Trigun · · Score: 1

      I wear an ugly ass company-provided cellphone everywhere. Damn skippy if I can cutomize it, I'm going to. Anything to get away from the bland.

      And btw, you have any stickers on your computer case?

    2. Re:Interesting by saden1 · · Score: 1

      Yes well, you are still not unique. Everybody and their mother can buy the same face plates you can. If this Nokia thing takes of you might but I still doubt it.

      Asians are notorious for customizing their phones to death...those neon/blue lights just annoy me to death. They are an abomination and should be made illegal.

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    3. Re:Interesting by Locky · · Score: 1

      And this is a good thing? Mobile phones are just another thing I have to contend with everyday. I was at a party the other day and before everyone got drunk, the only thing they were doing was playing with and showing off their damn phones.

    4. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And btw, you have any stickers on your computer case?"

      No. Not even a badge.

    5. Re:Interesting by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      >they are now practically being treated as fashion accessories rather than technology.

      Lets not start bashing the phone companies, consumers want this and whether or not you realize it you love this also. How many case modding articles have been posted to slashdot? That's fashion too.

      Every phone has some wacky design because the standard screen plus keys is fairly boring and been done many times before. There are no conservative looking phones out there, no standard designs. Everything is over designed in some way.

      Actually my phone is probably the more boring of them all, I have a sidekick and all it is is a micro-micro-laptop with a swivel screen. No swooping bright orange pieces of plastic. No real over design, just a plain grey nano-computer, but its more feature rich than most phones on the market. When you have to pack in a full keyboard, buttons, a scroll wheel, and nice sized screen there just isn't room for flashy design considerations, but with the old cell phone template there's a lot of play allowed.

      Also, back when ma bell first offered colored phones people went crazy over them. All they were were the standard black phones dyed a different color and ma bell wanted 2 more dollars a month for them (you didnt own a phone back then you leased one). Its human nature to want something flashy or do something creative with a tired template, but of course that's a knife that cuts both ways. As long as it has decent HCI/Usability and design comes second most people are pleased.

    6. Re:Interesting by Hentai · · Score: 1

      Asians are notorious for customizing their phones to death...those neon/blue lights just annoy me to death. They are an abomination and should be made illegal.

      What, Asians?

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  11. Maybe I'm just tired by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I had heard about this any place except Slashdot, I would have assumed that the intended market for this product was 12-year-old girls. I had to re-read the article twice to confirm that there really wasn't anything at all interesting about this phone. News for Nerds? What the hell?

    1. Re:Maybe I'm just tired by Mulletproof · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Teenage girls are what drive the cellphone economy in Japan...

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    2. Re:Maybe I'm just tired by wfberg · · Score: 1

      Teenage girls are what drive the cellphone economy in Japan...

      And, more relevantly, Europe. Japan is by all means a minor market for Nokia, who's stronghold is in countries with GSM networks (Europe, the rest of Asia and the Americas (except the US)). They do have CDMA models (for the US, Japan uses something called PDC or PHS - there is W-CDMA 3G service which would work with some 3G handsets as well, but raise your hand if you have a 3G handset... I thought so.), but not as many as GSM models.

      Note how the article says "It is planned to come in two versions, a GSM/GPRS/EDGE 900/1800/1900
      for Europe and Asia and a GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/1900/1800 for the Americas." which pretty much rules out Japan (no PDC/PHS/WCDMA-3G)

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  12. Issue with the phone by phoxix · · Score: 4, Funny
    While I was looking at the Phone.

    I thought to myself: How on earth am I supposed to dial with those keys?

    Am I the only one thinking about this ?

    1. Re:Issue with the phone by m00by · · Score: 1

      I'm sure you're not. they're rocker switches. up is 1 down is 4, etc... =D

    2. Re:Issue with the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, you're the only one;) You push on the top or the bottom of the key, I would imagine.

    3. Re:Issue with the phone by Nimloth · · Score: 1

      Keys are for non-nerds... Small, unclickable keys are to thank for voice operated phones...

    4. Re:Issue with the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure you're not. they're rocker switches. up is 1 down is 4, etc... =D

      alright! rock on!

    5. Re:Issue with the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who dials the numbers??? All are coming from phone memory or call registers. What I AM worried is sending SMS's!

  13. Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now I can keep my vi cheatsheet with me wherever I go.

  14. Cool idea for computer cases... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I immediately thought of all the other applications to a well designed case that could take printed sheets, such as computers, mice, laptop backs, keyboards etc... ...then I realised Nokia have probably patented it already and we won't see it on anything but phones. And I bet people don't print their own designs out but still download the damned things online... and probably pay $5 each for them. Bah! people are sheep!

    1. Re:Cool idea for computer cases... by i_am_nitrogen · · Score: 1

      Someone applied a custom texture from Propaganda to the inside of his G3 cube a while back. It looked pretty sweet.

      So, even if they have a patent, there's prior art. Heck, even sleeved DVD and VHS cases could be considered prior art.

      They might have a patent on a unique way of locking down a plastic cover though. And I have seen patent numbers inside of DVD cases...

    2. Re:Cool idea for computer cases... by MsGeek · · Score: 1

      Like they have been so many times before, Apple was there, did that, got the T-Shirt. The PowerBook 1400 had a clear plastic panel you could put a picture under for customization purposes. This was in October 1996.

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    3. Re:Cool idea for computer cases... by The+Human+Cow · · Score: 1

      ...Wouldn't that be akin to patenting looking through a window at something?

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  15. 80's Theme by slappy_guru · · Score: 1

    Make your time ! Sombody set us up the phone !!

    All you base are belong to us !!!

    Nokia :)

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  16. i can see it now.. by arcanumas · · Score: 1

    Slashdotters will take advantage of the personalization oportunities offered by this and will all have something unique.... the penguin. :)

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  17. Changing keyboards by freeweed · · Score: 4, Funny

    Many, many moons ago the place I worked at had a computer tech with a bizzare sense of humor.

    Every year in December, he'd replace the boss' keyboard's L with a J key. We'd ask him why, and he'd say "because this way you now have a Christmas keyboard".

    "Huh?"

    "No L".

    *cymbal crash*

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    1. Re:Changing keyboards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you please explain this joke for the slower of us?

    2. Re:Changing keyboards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "No L" = "Noel"

    3. Re:Changing keyboards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second that =)

    4. Re:Changing keyboards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NOEL
      NO L

      get it?

    5. Re:Changing keyboards by randyest · · Score: 1

      I have sent out Xmas cards where the front was a simple 5x5 grid of letters:

      A B C D E
      F G H I J
      K M N O P
      Q R S T U
      V W X Y Z

      Few people ever understood, so most would end up calling for an explanation, which was fun. Same idea.

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    6. Re:Changing keyboards by Uerige · · Score: 1

      You may think I am pretty dumb, but I still don't get it. Who's Noel?

    7. Re:Changing keyboards by Swolt+Up · · Score: 1

      Funny story, but you got the keys wrong. You can't change out the J key, or the F key. Those are the keys with the raised plastic so you can feel that your hands are in the right place, and the bottom part of the key is a different size than the rest of the keys.

      As someone who has changed out many keys to hunt-and-peck users, I know. :)

    8. Re:Changing keyboards by freeweed · · Score: 1

      Most keyboards I've ever worked on use the exact same sized keys for all letters.

      The little bump on the J is now doubled, you're right. But the key cap is exactly the same size.

      YMMV

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  18. How about making a better service first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    you can see why Nokia's market share is dropping, instead of concentrating on making a product that actually performs better and is more functional they are wasting time developing enhancements such as this, either make a better more reliable phone or at least get out the way of people who want to move technology forward

  19. no bluetooth? by viniosity · · Score: 2

    From the article:
    Integrated camera Polyphonic ringtones Customized contact list (images and ringtones) Integrated flashlight FM radio IR JavaTM
    Why is it Nokia will release phones with all sorts of 'features' like a radio and a calorie counter, but can't give us more phones with bluetooth? I know they have a couple, but for the US market the offerings are pretty slim unless you want to carry around the big (by today's standards) 3650. IR isn't dead but it should be.

    1. Re:no bluetooth? by Linux+Ate+My+Dog! · · Score: 1

      Not enough market to justify the extra hardware.

      Phones in these 'low' series are consumer products, Nokia expects to sell millions of them. Adding the hardware, which will only make it desireable to a very small part of those millions, just isn't a good proposition if it makes the hardware more expensive for the overwhelming amount of people who don't want it. It makes the phone more expensive to subsidize for the operator, and Nokia lives and dies by the operator liking the phones.

      MMS and cameras will make millions of users send packets of data around over the operator's network. Bluetooth will only do that for a minority of users when they use the phone as a GPRS modem. The operators don't see the value in offering this to users.

  20. Transparent covers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That Nokia 3200 has transparent covers, so you can put any print under it.

    Same can be done with Apple iBooks.

  21. phone keys vs calculator, PC numeric keypad by lplatypus · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It might be fun to rename someone's keys as a practical joke, not that I've ever done it to anyone's computer keyboard.

    Yeah, similarly I could put the phone's number keys the same way up as the keys on my calculator and the numeric keypad on my computer keyboard, with "7 8 9" up the top instead of "1 2 3" up the top.

    Does anyone know why phones' keys are upside down compared to a computer keyboard and a calculator?

    1. Re:phone keys vs calculator, PC numeric keypad by mindriot · · Score: 1
      Does anyone know why phones' keys are upside down compared to a computer keyboard and a calculator?

      Dunno, but what I find most interesting that this has never been a problem for me or anyone I know - and I do use both computers/calculaters and phones quite often... for some reason I can type numbers on my keyboard number pad fairly fast, and can do just as well on my phone, not recalling a single time where I've mistaken the layouts. Funny.

    2. Re:phone keys vs calculator, PC numeric keypad by jfengel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Straight Dope took a crack at the question: http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mphonedial.htm l.

      To quote the conclusion: "Basically, calculator keypad design evolved from cash registers, while telephone keypad design evolved from the rotary dial. Tradition has kept them that way ever since."

  22. maybe... by mblase · · Score: 3, Funny

    News for Nerds? What the hell?

    What if the submitter had suggested a custom faceplate showing Natalie Portman, naked and petrified, eating a bowl of hot grits?

    1. Re:maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what.. the.. fuck.. does.. that.. mean?

    2. Re:maybe... by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      What if the submitter had suggested a custom faceplate showing Natalie Portman, naked and petrified, eating a bowl of hot grits?

      In Soviet Russia, the bowls of hot grits put Natalie Portman down their pants.

      LK

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  23. Keys by spoonist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What's up with Nokia keypad layouts, anyway?

    Go here and look at some phones.

    The 3650 are in a circle. I gave up rotary dial decades ago, I don't want to be reminded.

    The 3510 is like a spider web or something.

    The 8910i doesn't have any keys at all! (Just kidding... I know they're under a cover.)

    This 3200 looks like it doesn't have enough keys.

    The 2100 looks like a smiley face.

    With all these funky keys, how does Nokia expect me to dial a freakin' phone while I'm driving my SUV at 90mph in the right lane eating two cheese burgers and a Coke?

    1. Re:Keys by tessaiga · · Score: 2, Funny
      With all these funky keys, how does Nokia expect me to dial a freakin' phone while I'm driving my SUV at 90mph in the right lane eating two cheese burgers and a Coke?
      If you've actually mastered talking with your mouth stuffed full of 2 cheeseburgers and a coke, I'm sure that the dialing part will be relatively easy :)
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    2. Re:Keys by MadocGwyn · · Score: 1

      Actually I was playing with a few odd shaped keypad's at the local radioshack the other day and discovered they are not hard to use at all, they LOOK strange but when you goto hit the keys, their pressure points are right where you would expect them to be, helps if you don't look at, after a slight adjustment period (like 3 calls prob) wouldn't matter at all.

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    3. Re:Keys by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      **With all these funky keys, how does Nokia expect me to dial a freakin' phone while I'm driving my SUV at 90mph in the right lane eating two cheese burgers and a Coke?** i except that then you would get a voice activated one.

      besides.. it's offbase to compare keypads on dialing speeds, since most of the time you call numbers that are already on your phones memory, from the address book. what's more important is the text typing speeds, at least for me. 3650 is big enough for my thumbs combined with the buttons in a circle, i get half of it for left thumb and rest for right thumb, something i find awful hard to do with the size of keypads that are in usual phones todays.

      oh yeh.. the typing speed is needed for irc..

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    4. Re:Keys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *YOU* may dial numbers that are in the phone's memory most of the time, some of us intentionally do NOT rely on the phone's address book so that when we don't have the phone with us (or when then phone decides to spontaneously "lose" the stored phone numbers), we can still remember the phone numbers of our friends and family.

    5. Re:Keys by LinuxIdiot · · Score: 1

      Oh Jesus I can't wait to see some of the f00-f00's walking around when this cell phone comes out Purple & Pink?

  24. Full Tech Specs by KingDaveRa · · Score: 0

    For those interested in such things, here is the full specs on Nokia's site.

  25. Real features by Aliencow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What I want in a phone, and no phone seems to have it yet, is some kind of public key system that encrypts the data. You would have your two keys, and you could send your contact info + public key to someone else. When they call you, it enrcypts all the data both ways..
    But that's probably cause I'm a terrorist...

    1. Re:Real features by Stonent1 · · Score: 1

      public key system that encrypts the data

      My Motorola C331t phone supports encrypted TDMA but only about 1/2 of the time does it actually do it, I guess because the tower that it connects to has to also support it.

    2. Re:Real features by Dasigner · · Score: 1

      I suppose Comobi for the P800 is getting close to what you have in mind.

    3. Re:Real features by Aliencow · · Score: 1

      Wow, thanks a lot. Now if only I had friends who would buy cool gadgets I'd use this right away ! Looks cool!

  26. Where are you? by Gonoff · · Score: 1

    They are getting unhappily close to monopolies in a lot of places.

    My Panasonic has a removable transparent back that I can put pictures under. I got it 2 or 3 months ago.

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  27. Looks good but by $exyNerdie · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Re:Looks good but by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 1

      Hmm... It's looking good, but still not quite there.

      I've got a SE P800 and I really like it - it's not quite perfect either, but also getting there.

      Some of the problems:

      Treo:

      -Lo-res screen. 160x160. Ugh. Needs to be at least doubled to 320x320.

      -Protruding antenna bulge on the top,
      not so good, likely to get hooked on stuff.

      -No bluetooth? I was skeptical about bluetooth at first, but I love it now - it's a great way to interface headsets to the phone and sync/move files without having to plug the unit into a cradle.

      P800:

      -12bit screen (4096 colours) - needs more, and has been rectified in P810/P900 with a 16bit screen.

      -Symbian OS isn't as polished as Palm OS and not nearly as much free software (everyone wants to make a buck)

      -Directional control pad/some accessory buttons on the front would be nice.

      I like the full qwerty pad on the treo, but would prefer that someone just made a tiny bluetooth keypad for the P800 that you could just use seperately from the phone.

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  28. Its a no buy, No Bluetooth by JOW · · Score: 1

    No Bluetooth how can you ever think about getting this phone, my next phone will be a Sony E. 610 looks good but Z600 might do, until that my I65 will just work fine.

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  29. Warning....annoying music at Nokia site... by Androgynous+Coward · · Score: 1

    I followed the link and music that sounded like level excepts from Jax & Daxter started blaring out of my speakers. Not cool when one is at the office.

    How in the world could someone think that hi-jacking my speakers is a bright way to present information on a phone to an end-user? I felt like I had hit a geocities page.

  30. Apple did it already by rufo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Apple's PowerBook 1400 did it already with the BookCover. There's a removable clear plastic cover (they also included one of grey plastic in case you didn't like the idea) that slides off the top part of the laptop, and underneath you can put any appropriately shaped piece of paper. It even came with templates pre-installed on the hard drive so you could design something to place there. Was kind of a cool idea, but it didn't really take off, as one can easily see.

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    1. Re:Apple did it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Apple's PowerBook 1400 did it already with the BookCover.

      Last time I checked an Apple Powerbook is a computer, not a wireless phone. If you want to go totally offtopic with this I was creating faceplates for my textbooks decades ago.

  31. tickle-me-tux by alienhazard · · Score: 1

    im not sure id like finguring, holding, and poking tux like that. that is, unless he giggles like the Tickle-Me-Elmo.

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  32. Bluetooth by TummyX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No thanks. I use a bluetooth headset and connect my phone to my notebook using bluetooth.

    Until Nokia stop being total wankers and resume support bluetooth on their phones I'm not buying one -- no matter how many "features" it has.

    People have been abandoning Nokia like hell because they've stopped making "professional" products. I mean, who wants an FM(!) radio (!) over bluetooth?

    1. Re:Bluetooth by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      ** resume support bluetooth **

      ??? whaaaaat?

      what the f? just buy a nokia phone with bluetooth if you want one(7650,3650,6310(i),6650,upcoming 6600, upcoming ngage,8910). they've totally NOT dropped bluetooth support.

      they never "stopped" making "professional" products, they've just been selling stuff for teens on the side for quite a few years now.

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    2. Re:Bluetooth by TummyX · · Score: 1


      7650 -- doesn't support bluetooth headset profile.

      3650 - weird key layout.

      6310i - very old but not a bad phone.

      6650, 6600 ngage, 8910 -- i'll loook into them. the 6650 looks good.

      I'm suprised, their last lot of phone releases only included one bluetooth phone (the 3650).

  33. Once every 100000 times, this backfires by sstory · · Score: 2, Informative
    It might be fun to rename someone's keys as a practical joke, not that I've ever done it to anyone's computer keyboard.

    Joke would be on you if you did this to someone like me who types on a QWERTY keyboard but with the OS set to Dvorak. They probably wouldn't notice the renaming.

    1. Re:Once every 100000 times, this backfires by IM6100 · · Score: 1

      It sounds like what you're saying is that because you've remapped your keyboard to Dvorak, you're so pitifully slow at hunt-and-peck typing that a scrambled keyboard wouldn't really make you type any slower than you already do.

      Probably not what you meant.

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  34. more info with high res picture by huphtur · · Score: 3, Informative

    since phonescoop.com seems to be down, here is another site with more info about the phone.

  35. It's been done. by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

    And quite well i might say, no custom designs yet, but you can get a matching computer skin and mouse pad

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  36. oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    WhoTF needs a phone with a camera, flashlight, radio and other bullshit, if what a true geek needs is gprs, bluetooth and maybe 802.11?

  37. I just moved by mesach · · Score: 2, Funny

    I got tired of having the mall I goto have the same stuff this side of the Mississippi, I wanted something unique so I moved to the other side of the Mighty Mississip, and now there are LOTS of things I can get and a printable face plate was one along time ago...

    You really should think about moving.

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  38. yeah, it sux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can't see any use for this phone, and those keys... well at least you could print out your pr0n and change the design every now and than

  39. Next great customization: by mblase · · Score: 1

    Replace the paper faceplate with a programmable LCD color screen. Now you can animate your faceplate, take a photo with the camera and display it right away on the back of your phone... endless possibilities.

    So what if it sucks the batteries? It sells phones.

    1. Re:Next great customization: by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 1

      I seriously hope nobody patents this obvious idea. I was going to put the same suggestion before I saw you had it. That also, of course, includes OLEDs or any other movable type print technology. (Slashdot is great for creating prior art.)

  40. But it's still Nokia... by Penguin2212 · · Score: 1

    Printible faceplates, but that still dont' negate the total lack of quality of Nokia's products.

    1. Re:But it's still Nokia... by howajo · · Score: 1

      I will admit that some of the Nokia's I have owned have been "less than robust", but their user interface is by far the best. That is part of quality in my opinion. What we need is Nokia useability with motorola ruggedness.. Most of the rest need to just go away. I own a Sanyo SCP-6200 which has an awesome form facter, but horrible interface. There's my two cents.

  41. Why not a BG monitor for diabetes? by Linker3000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Strangely enough, I've just posted to a diabetes newsgroup on this...

    Having a mobile phone with a built-in blood glucose meter would be a real useful thing, especially since the number of people with the disease is growing at an alarming rate.

    Imagine what could also be done--you could IR, bluetooth, USB or phone in your results to your computer or an online data store or your docs. If your BG indicated a possible hypo or hyper attack you could press OK to dial one or more numbers for assistance, or the phone could be pre-programmed to automatically dial for help if you did not hit NO/Cancel within, say 10 seconds. With calendaring and alarms, the phone could also remind when it's time to take medication.

    As a type 2 diabetic, I have to carry a meter around with me that's about the same size as a mobile phone, so having the two integrated would be great.

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    1. Re:Why not a BG monitor for diabetes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Actually, I happen to know that some people at Nokia tried to get something like that done several years ago.

      The reason the project was axed, was that the pharmaceutical industry and doctors were totally against it. They want the patients to remain as dependent on them as possible.

    2. Re:Why not a BG monitor for diabetes? by Linker3000 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Interesting feedback. I did come across this paper whilst researching the subject - essentially it's a phone/meter linked together to forward results for analysis and feedback, but it's not a single, integrated unit. Research sponsored by Vodaphone (UK) with trials supposedly started in July 2003.

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    3. Re:Why not a BG monitor for diabetes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drop it in the toilet and not only do the health problems worsen, you can't even call for help!

    4. Re:Why not a BG monitor for diabetes? by Linux+Ate+My+Dog! · · Score: 1

      FCC approval is bad enough -- now Nokia has to get FDA approval for a handset too?

      Actually, much of what you dicsuss might be done by a separate glucose meter that interfaces with the Nokia phone using the PopPort. That could be a 3d party opportunity.

    5. Re:Why not a BG monitor for diabetes? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Having a mobile phone with a built-in blood glucose meter would be a real useful thing, especially since the number of people with the disease is growing at an alarming rate.

      Unfortunately eventually there may be enough diabetics to make this necessary.

      But the thought of someone piercing his skin with his phone to monitor his BG while sitting next to me at Applebees freaks me out.

      LK

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  42. That Kuhrazy CowboyNeal by geeber · · Score: 1

    "It might be fun to rename someone's keys as a practical joke, not that I've ever done it to anyone's computer keyboard."

    Man, that CowboyNeal, he sure has some wackyfun ideas! What will he think of next? Livin' on the Edge!

  43. Third Party clear covers for Nokia phones... by mercx · · Score: 1

    ...have been available for years now, for just about all of their entry-level phones that have user-replaceable covers. I've had a couple before; it was kind of cool holding up a phone where you could see the raw internals... ...sliding a printed sheet of paper underneath the plastic somehow doesn't sound like an improvement :\ ...

  44. 80s flashback by Zarathustra.fi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This "innovation" reminds me of the Mattel Intellivision game console from the 1980s. Take a look at the front page of IntellivisionLives.com - you can see the plastic faceplate on one of the controllers.

    Now that I think about it - the controllers have a very phone-like interface. I wonder where the Nokia engineers got the idea.. ;-)

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  45. Re:PDA shop HANDANGO cracked, respns from handango by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Here is the updated thread with a response from the one that's responsible

    response from handango

  46. I want a new phone that's also a PDA but not $600 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Is this too much to ask for? A decent entry-level PDA can be had for around $100. If a phone's $100, then where are all the $200 PDA phone combos?

    I want the Samsung SPH-i500 - but it's $600! This is crazy - who spends $600 on a phone?

    It's the same way that I'd like a new $300 notebook. At that price it would be close to disposable and I wouldn't worry too much about breaking it. I don't even want a color screen - but nobody makes low spec notebooks because $800 is the lowest anyone is willing to sell them for these days (and they're full color with 2 GHz processors).

  47. It is anti-theft by spectrokid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Best theft protection ever: just put the goatse guy on.

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  48. In fear of the treo 600, sidekick gets os update by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

    The Sidekick is getting OS 1.1 this month sent via wireless to all devices. It will finally give us a download manager, copy and paste, and some minor but needed tweaks. The lack of influx of third-party software is really going to make it look bad if the treo launches before the SK has a chance to update and give us a download app. You can see the sneak preview here:

    http://www.danger.com/developers_peek.php

  49. Mississippi by Phroggy · · Score: 1

    ...that isn't mass marketed at every mall this side of the Mississippi.

    Funny how that expression seems to work no matter where in the US you live...

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  50. Oh no. by AchmedHabib · · Score: 1

    Give me a phone that works with my email and calendar. I have tried the Sony ericsson, but it froze a couple of times, which were unacceptable since it was when it was lying idle on my desk or in the middle of the night, when I was on call duty.
    So I swithed to a Nokia phone with Bluetooth and the it is great that the phone just needs to be near my pc in the office for me to sync it with Notes. But the sync. of the phone is too annoying when you have tried a PDA. It's not a one touch update like my Palm was(press the update in the cradle), I first have to connect the serial via bluetooth, then start the Nokia program, press sync, then choose not to see the log file and then exit the program again.
    While having a camera in my phone is a fun thing, I would rather want that it worked seamlessly with the groupware products that I use.

  51. Here is a wacky idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nokia (and everyone else) can keep the Camera, Mp3 player (which never has enough Flash RAM anyway, Color Display, Video Games, Randomly Placed Keys, Transparent Multi-Colored Blinking Case, and in exchange, they can give me a small phone that is Waterproof...

    What the hell is wrong with EVERYONE?

  52. Features by sharkey · · Score: 1
    ... camera, flashlight, FM radio and about everything else

    Where's the spork?

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  53. it is what it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, It's just a phone. Ment to be a cheap camera phone for young people. That is 'no bluetooth for geeks' as it is 'a cheap camera phone for young people'.

  54. Uh, dipshit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    P800 = $700+
    3200 = ~$70+
    Order of magnitude ya idjit...