If you'd read the article (even a little of it) you'd realize that the competition is not a Turing test at all. Unless, of course, you don't know what a Turing test is, in which case you certainly shouldn't be calling the concept "old hat".
old hatadj.
Behind the times; old-fashioned: Last year's styles will be old hat soon.
Overused; trite: That prank is old hat.
So -- exactly how is the Turing test "old hat" in any way? Being around a long time does not necessarily cause something to be less compelling or lose its usefulness (i.e. Fermat's Last Theorem).
Is it behind the times? If so, what's the modern AI test? C'mon, a better one please.
Is it trite? (Lemme help ya, just in case:)
triteadj. triter, tritest
Lacking power to evoke interest through overuse or repetition; hackneyed.
Archaic. Frayed or worn out by use.
If you think either of those apply, then you truly do not understand what a Turing test is.
I doubt any GFX card company would dare try it again.
You say that like ATI mea culpa'd and apologized for the quackery. On the contrary, the official ATI comment, according to hardOCP, was:
John B. Challinor II APR - Director, Public Relations at ATI Technologies Inc. "ATI optimizes its drivers on many different levels, including the application level, the game engine level, the API level, and the operating system level. That is, some optimizations work only on specific games, while others work only on specific game engines or only on specific operating systems. In the case of Quake III and Quake III Arena, we were able to achieve certain optimizations specifically for that game, as we do for other popular games. Our engineering team is committed to providing the best visual experience for the user in all applications, with the optimal combination of high frame rates, image quality, and stability."
To me, that doesn't say "we won't dare try that trickery again," but "yeah, so? It's a feature!".
. . . because so many people know they can get scads of free mods (or the tools to make thier own!) out of an id game. You get more, and more diverse, bang for your buck from q3 than sof2.
And if they don't know first hand, their ]<ewl friend is admant that they get q or q2 or q3 (soon Doom3).
And, of course, by definition the engine game (q[1-3]) is released first. First always helps:)
Good point that applies all to often. But have you played Battlefield 1942? The developers of that game did both amazing graphics (and view distances / LOD management!) and amazingly fun gamepqly.
There's a free muliplayer demo and a bot-laden 1p demo as well. Google knows about it.
Why is it taking so long? Mods, don't worry -- it's just correcting a non-critical (but very in-need-of-correcting) portion of an argument in support of Bruce. It's not like you're modding down Perens-san or anything:)
to both of the above replies, at the risk of taking this even further OT. . .
>>What's the benefit of that 25% sales tax again, borkaborkaborka?
>Umm, free education, safety and good public services? There arent too many slums in scandinavia.
free education? check -- pell granted my way all the way. State U got me that fat paycheck, in case you were gonna get cynical about State U's.
safety? check -- ever been to NH?
good public services? see above. BTW, I can afford my own services and can do a much better job of selecting and administering their application than any gubament, as can my neigbors. Unless you were referring to military sevices, in which case: hahahaha.
slums? what's a slum? Oh, like in NYC, Detroit, and LA? Uh, not my prob. Besides, once drugs are legalized and subsequently become nice and cheap, slums will all disappear from mass suicide. Buh bye lusers.
>An amazingly low (compared to the US) national debt?
>I wonder if his country owes nearly 20k per citizen...
and I should care about this because . . . ?
I'll take a superb lifestyle and rosy GNP over 'low debt' with no possibility of a significantly scary collection agent any day.
Wow, what a bargain . . . wait, no. Nevermind. Sweden's tax rate sucks.
I spend $100k/year on taxable purchases (easily), which in Sweden would be $25k/yr in tax (vs. $0 in here New Hampshire), or more than $2000/month -- and for that I get healthcare and retirement? Thanks but no thanks.
I can BUY outright health insurance for less than $300/month for most of my life, never more than $1000/month (and that assumes my employer gives me nada for it, which is opposite of reality -- they pay all but $20/mo). And that's for some juicy-good BC/BS insurance with no, how do I say in Swedish, "long-ass lines and sub-standard care"?
Of course, I've alrady paid social security tax on the income that lets me spend those bucks which, by my calculations, equals about oh, $0/month at retirement. But, with the avg $1500/month left over after I pay for health insurance throughout my working life, I could stock up a nice nest egg. Why, after 30 years at 8% I'd have more than US$2.2Million. That ignores the fact that I max out a 401k (pre-tax), a Roth IRA (after-tax, but tax-free interest), and contribute a nice fat chunk of after-tax income to investments (taxable on disbursement) before I spend that $100k/yr.
So, I conservatively expect to get > $10M to retire on after 30 years of work (should I decide to go it that long), even at 5% gain (which amounts to more than my current monthly income if managed properly, even after taxes), the best possible health care for free or negligible out-of-pocket expense throughout my life, and enough left over to buy an X-box or 1000.
What's the benefit of that 25% sales tax again, borkaborkaborka?
Not blood, blood PLASMA. Different. They suck out blood, run it thru a centrifuge-like thing that sucks out the clear plasma (white blood cells, mostly, I think), then put the blood back in.
I know because I did it once (for $50, not $10) when I desperately needed some cash as an 18-yr- old kid. I forget what for, but I'm sure it was something critical like booze, drugs, or girls.
BTW, for some off reason there was a sliding scale -- $50 for first donation within 6months or some simlilar time frame, then $40 for the next, lss for the next, with a max/time limit. I think the reason is you have less plasma each time. Which is scary, if you think about it:)
IANAL, but I think it's legal to sell blood plasma anywhere in the US.
...because I won't install that program or any of its derivatives ever again.
Every time I've done so in the past, it has hijacked every file association in WinXP (yes, I browse with Windows, using Mozilla, thanks for asking), assaulted me with spyware, and generally pissed me off.
Thanks for submitting the story. It sounds interesting. I'd love to hear it.
Please let me know if it becomes available in *any* other format in the future.
wrong. 'extentuate' is almost the exact opposite of what
Lucas-san was trying to do to the point in question.
extenuate (ik-stenyoo-at)
tr.v. extenuated, extenuating, extenuates
To lessen or attempt to lessen the magnitude or seriousness of, especially by providing partial excuses. See Synonyms at palliate.
2.Archaic.
. a.To make thin or emaciated.
b.To reduce the strength of.
3.Obsolete. To belittle; disparage
You think maybe he was trying to reduce, belittle, or disparage
an argument that, if bought wholesale, would increase his paycheck?
Bzzt.
As the previous poster correctly inferred, the attempted word
was 'accentuate'
accentuate
P
tr.v. accentuated, accentuating, accentuates
1.To stress or emphasize; intensify: "enacted sweeping land-reform plans that accentuated the already chaotic pattern of
landholding" (James Fallows).
2.To pronounce with a stress or accent.
3.To mark with an accent.
thank you for playing; please try again
(move closer to the stairs -- I want to protect you!)
Games, mostly (battlefield 1942, w00t!) but also driver availability for gizmos like my Creative digital VCR, firewire/DV cam interface, etc.
I kinda like XP, actually. And it's a lot easier for my wife to use and understand than *NIX.
FWIW, I do have a Linux machine as a file server, and a Solaris box for work-work.
You cite your own patent on the concept of comparison and then complain about patents granted on trivial ideas? Sheesh. I am truly overwhelmed by the multilevel irony and hypocrisy here.
yeah, and it feels just like plastic, or laminate, or hard vinyl, or just about any other firm, smooth substance!
So their design spec was to make it 'have the shape and feel of silicon', and they met that spec, and it just so happened that the result was conducive to transistor (switch) building, interconnect routing (wires between the switches), and mass manufacturing?
It's silly that that articled appeared in a relatively respectable publication.
No, not at all. I guess I should have added a ':)' or something to my original post -- I was kidding. See, msboycott.com sounds like an anti- Micro$oft site (or at least domain name), and Slashdot it a hotbed (The hotbed?) of MS-bashing, so . . . well, it's not really all that funny when you break it down, is it?:)
I say not so terrible too, but for a different reason.
At first, I thought "that sucks, Yahoo should refuse, as should they all . . . " bah blah visa vis every comment above this one.
But then I ralized -- so what if they cansor the obviously subversive sites? Everyone tries that, but the undergound info/p2p network/warez goup/hacking group/government subversion group/etc. flourishes.
Now I think the best thing to do is just creep into thier culture as slowly as needed, letting them set 'safe' limits as they please. Liberty is addictive as hell -- we just gotta keep letting them have tastes, at thier own pace, the rest will work out on its own.
I read it, and I did learn exactly one interesting thing -- that the Washington Post is in dire need of a science editor.
. . . composite material that approximates the shape and feel of silicon
WTF? Shape of silicon? Feel of silicon? Silicon has neither inherent shape or feel.
This article is one of the stupidest and most confused I have ever read. It shows a complete ignorance combined with an unmitigated tendancy to sensationalistic exploitation of the 'cool, look how unlikely this combo of ideas it' without the slightest hint of investigative reporting or fact gathering.
Slashdot Mirror
No, it isn't.
If you'd read the article (even a little of it) you'd realize that the competition is not a Turing test at all. Unless, of course, you don't know what a Turing test is, in which case you certainly shouldn't be calling the concept "old hat".
old hat adj.
Behind the times; old-fashioned: Last year's styles will be old hat soon.
Overused; trite: That prank is old hat.
So -- exactly how is the Turing test "old hat" in any way? Being around a long time does not necessarily cause something to be less compelling or lose its usefulness (i.e. Fermat's Last Theorem).
Is it behind the times? If so, what's the modern AI test? C'mon, a better one please.
Is it trite? (Lemme help ya, just in case:)
trite adj. triter, tritest
Lacking power to evoke interest through overuse or repetition; hackneyed.
Archaic. Frayed or worn out by use.
If you think either of those apply, then you truly do not understand what a Turing test is.
If you have a better solution to high unemployment in small towns that doesn't inconvenience you, please speak up.
Move.
. . . because so many people know they can get scads of free mods (or the tools to make thier own!) out of an id game. You get more, and more diverse, bang for your buck from q3 than sof2.
:)
And if they don't know first hand, their ]<ewl friend is admant that they get q or q2 or q3 (soon Doom3).
And, of course, by definition the engine game (q[1-3]) is released first. First always helps
Good point that applies all to often. But have you played Battlefield 1942? The developers of that game did both amazing graphics (and view distances / LOD management!) and amazingly fun gamepqly.
There's a free muliplayer demo and a bot-laden 1p demo as well. Google knows about it.
huh?
too many cocktails? I dunno, but I read it twice and this still eludes me . . .
Why is it taking so long? Mods, don't worry -- it's just correcting a non-critical (but very in-need-of-correcting) portion of an argument in support of Bruce. It's not like you're modding down Perens-san or anything :)
This is an important point, though arguably OT.
to both of the above replies, at the risk of taking this even further OT. . .
>>What's the benefit of that 25% sales tax again, borkaborkaborka?
>Umm, free education, safety and good public services? There arent too many slums in scandinavia.
free education? check -- pell granted my way all the way. State U got me that fat paycheck, in case you were gonna get cynical about State U's.
safety? check -- ever been to NH?
good public services? see above. BTW, I can afford my own services and can do a much better job of selecting and administering their application than any gubament, as can my neigbors. Unless you were referring to military sevices, in which case: hahahaha.
slums? what's a slum? Oh, like in NYC, Detroit, and LA? Uh, not my prob. Besides, once drugs are legalized and subsequently become nice and cheap, slums will all disappear from mass suicide. Buh bye lusers.
>An amazingly low (compared to the US) national debt?
>I wonder if his country owes nearly 20k per citizen...
and I should care about this because . . . ?
I'll take a superb lifestyle and rosy GNP over 'low debt' with no possibility of a significantly scary collection agent any day.
Thanks for playing -- please try again.
insert coin
Wow, what a bargain . . . wait, no. Nevermind. Sweden's tax rate sucks.
I spend $100k/year on taxable purchases (easily), which in Sweden would be $25k/yr in tax (vs. $0 in here New Hampshire), or more than $2000/month -- and for that I get healthcare and retirement? Thanks but no thanks.
I can BUY outright health insurance for less than $300/month for most of my life, never more than $1000/month (and that assumes my employer gives me nada for it, which is opposite of reality -- they pay all but $20/mo). And that's for some juicy-good BC/BS insurance with no, how do I say in Swedish, "long-ass lines and sub-standard care"?
Of course, I've alrady paid social security tax on the income that lets me spend those bucks which, by my calculations, equals about oh, $0/month at retirement. But, with the avg $1500/month left over after I pay for health insurance throughout my working life, I could stock up a nice nest egg. Why, after 30 years at 8% I'd have more than US$2.2Million. That ignores the fact that I max out a 401k (pre-tax), a Roth IRA (after-tax, but tax-free interest), and contribute a nice fat chunk of after-tax income to investments (taxable on disbursement) before I spend that $100k/yr.
So, I conservatively expect to get > $10M to retire on after 30 years of work (should I decide to go it that long), even at 5% gain (which amounts to more than my current monthly income if managed properly, even after taxes), the best possible health care for free or negligible out-of-pocket expense throughout my life, and enough left over to buy an X-box or 1000.
What's the benefit of that 25% sales tax again, borkaborkaborka?
Blood comes from blood DONORS. That is, people who give thier blood willingly for free (unless you count a cookie and a glass of OJ as compensation).
Not blood, blood PLASMA. Different. They suck out blood, run it thru a centrifuge-like thing that sucks out the clear plasma (white blood cells, mostly, I think), then put the blood back in.
:)
I know because I did it once (for $50, not $10) when I desperately needed some cash as an 18-yr- old kid. I forget what for, but I'm sure it was something critical like booze, drugs, or girls.
BTW, for some off reason there was a sliding scale -- $50 for first donation within 6months or some simlilar time frame, then $40 for the next, lss for the next, with a max/time limit. I think the reason is you have less plasma each time. Which is scary, if you think about it
IANAL, but I think it's legal to sell blood plasma anywhere in the US.
Here's one: Battlefield 1942. I couldn't care less if there are more. B1942 is amazing fun.
. . . or maybe you work for ATI and are trying to make your stock options worth something.
I mean, c'mon, you "worship" a video card company? That's worse than bashing, in the opposite direction of course, IMHO.
go away troll/ATI employee/stockholder/nincompoop
they work great on my system, as has EVERY nvidia driver I've ever tried.
Look for other, UNSIGNED drivers to blame.
I've got 40.72 running on 4 systems, ranging from a Ge2MX to a Ge4ti4600. All rock solid.
...because I won't install that program or any of its derivatives ever again. Every time I've done so in the past, it has hijacked every file association in WinXP (yes, I browse with Windows, using Mozilla, thanks for asking), assaulted me with spyware, and generally pissed me off. Thanks for submitting the story. It sounds interesting. I'd love to hear it. Please let me know if it becomes available in *any* other format in the future.
wrong. 'extentuate' is almost the exact opposite of what Lucas-san was trying to do to the point in question. extenuate (ik-stenyoo-at) tr.v. extenuated, extenuating, extenuates To lessen or attempt to lessen the magnitude or seriousness of, especially by providing partial excuses. See Synonyms at palliate. 2.Archaic. . a.To make thin or emaciated. b.To reduce the strength of. 3.Obsolete. To belittle; disparage You think maybe he was trying to reduce, belittle, or disparage an argument that, if bought wholesale, would increase his paycheck? Bzzt. As the previous poster correctly inferred, the attempted word was 'accentuate' accentuate P tr.v. accentuated, accentuating, accentuates 1.To stress or emphasize; intensify: "enacted sweeping land-reform plans that accentuated the already chaotic pattern of landholding" (James Fallows). 2.To pronounce with a stress or accent. 3.To mark with an accent. thank you for playing; please try again (move closer to the stairs -- I want to protect you!)
Games, mostly (battlefield 1942, w00t!) but also driver availability for gizmos like my Creative digital VCR, firewire/DV cam interface, etc. I kinda like XP, actually. And it's a lot easier for my wife to use and understand than *NIX. FWIW, I do have a Linux machine as a file server, and a Solaris box for work-work.
You cite your own patent on the concept of comparison and then complain about patents granted on trivial ideas? Sheesh. I am truly overwhelmed by the multilevel irony and hypocrisy here.
I'm so anal I'll even correct a troll:
the tallest skyscrapers did not fall. They're both still standing proud in Chicago.
thank you for playing, please try again, gringo
yeah, and it feels just like plastic, or laminate, or hard vinyl, or just about any other firm, smooth substance!
So their design spec was to make it 'have the shape and feel of silicon', and they met that spec, and it just so happened that the result was conducive to transistor (switch) building, interconnect routing (wires between the switches), and mass manufacturing?
It's silly that that articled appeared in a relatively respectable publication.
No, not at all. I guess I should have added a ':)' or something to my original post -- I was kidding. See, msboycott.com sounds like an anti- Micro$oft site (or at least domain name), and Slashdot it a hotbed (The hotbed?) of MS-bashing, so . . . well, it's not really all that funny when you break it down, is it? :)
I say not so terrible too, but for a different reason. At first, I thought "that sucks, Yahoo should refuse, as should they all . . . " bah blah visa vis every comment above this one.
But then I ralized -- so what if they cansor the obviously subversive sites? Everyone tries that, but the undergound info/p2p network/warez goup/hacking group/government subversion group/etc. flourishes.
Now I think the best thing to do is just creep into thier culture as slowly as needed, letting them set 'safe' limits as they please. Liberty is addictive as hell -- we just gotta keep letting them have tastes, at thier own pace, the rest will work out on its own.
Bwahahaha! (subversively sinister laugh)
someone with the domian msboycott.com doesn't have a /. account? I'm confused.
I read it, and I did learn exactly one interesting thing -- that the Washington Post is in dire need of a science editor.
. . . composite material that approximates the shape and feel of silicon
WTF? Shape of silicon? Feel of silicon? Silicon has neither inherent shape or feel.
This article is one of the stupidest and most confused I have ever read. It shows a complete ignorance combined with an unmitigated tendancy to sensationalistic exploitation of the 'cool, look how unlikely this combo of ideas it' without the slightest hint of investigative reporting or fact gathering.