Frankly, if I was starting from scratch and rolling my own BSP, I'd choose NetBSD. Embedded friendly license, code purity, and it probably already has your processor arch.
I noticed our Ricoh Afficio copier/printer/scanners run NetBSD embedded. I wondered why then thought "of course it runs NetBSD!" I haven't tried hacking into them, but there doesn't seem to be many accessible commands.
Being at home and practicing safe browsing, I gleefully clicked the link. YIKES! I doubt those girls are 18. Seriously, I cleared my history and cache for fear of legal reprecussions.
Mods, you may actually want to delete or edit the GP post.
That's probably what they mean. I started using /> for a while before I realized it was only valid for xhtml and not valid for any definition of html. I've seen other people do this, too. I also did the same thing for <img src="boobies.jpg"/> and other no-content tags; I don't have the plugins to see the graph so I can't see if this "element" shows up in img, meta or the others.
Can't remember what XP promissed over 2k, though. Better games? Icons for children? Can't have been improved stability, right?
Win2k wasn't marketed to home users; they mostly stuck with Win98 or tried WinME. Those of us who had Win2k saw WinXP as a candy coated Win2k, but for non business users it was a great jump in stability. (As time goes on I find more I like about WinXP over Win2k, but none of the differences are earth shaking.)
We once tried to use about 300 windows in a high rise to display a picture using lights. What a fias o getting people to follow directions.
I always assumed building maintenance had to run around and turn all the lights onn and off when I see such a design in a MNF city or some other night sport event.
It definitely can't be the office people. I've seen their restrooms. They can't even flush or aim. I've seen evidence to suggest they can't read, either. No way they could collaborate to draw a light picture.
I think that they do have a point - the grandparent poster running "4 red hat 7.3 DNS servers" and "1 red hat 6 machine that lasted 6 years without an OS related reboot" does seem to be emphasizing uptime over security though. Either you take an hour or two to back up your data, set up redundant services, and upgrade according to your schedule, or someone might force you to update at a "less convinient" time.
AFAIK the nonmodule parts of the kernel are the only thing you can't upgrade on the fly, and how many kernel-level vulnerabilities have there been? I recall one that allows privilege escalation if someone gets a local logon. Perhaps his kernel wasn't vulnerable, or perhaps he decided the exploit risk was low given his environment.
not only would there be no more Grand Theft Auto, but we'd also lose games like Civilization, Pirates, and a bunch of great sim sports titles from the 2K Sports label. As much as he wants the non-gaming public to think otherwise, Take-Two does publish games that aren't over-the-top violent.
Not over-the-top violent?
Civ: Take over the world in one of several ways; violence helps all of them, and bonuses for whipping your subjects to death or enslaving the enemy's subjects Pirates: Hello? Pirate? Rape and pillage... sports: Beat your opponent into submission through direct physical exertion or by out-enduring your oppenent until he's a blob of jelly on the turf/track.
Keep the daemon, but make it so that if you didn't know it was supposed to be a daemon... it's um... not a daemon.
I kind-of like the new logo, but I thought the point was to get rid of the demonic look. What has short horns and is red? Sure, I know what the old logo looks like, but I wonder what the uninitiated will think this is? You know people try to identify shapes.
Does that new hardware support allow running Windows without having to modify it first? For the moment, it appears that no OS will work without modification and support for Windows might not be forthcoming:
From what I've read, supposedly the virtualizing technology in the upcoming chips will allow unmodified OSes to run as virtual machines. However, I haven't seen discussion of how hard devices will be shared between uncooperative OSes. Current Windows products expect to own all devices, and I expect the virtualization tech will handle registers and memory mapping, but I wonder where the mechanism is to keep multiple instances of Windows (for example) from conflicting over USB or any arbitrary PCI, AGP or ISA peripheral. Is this handled by Xen (in this case), the processor or something we haven't seen yet, or do we have to disable the devices in guest OSes to prevent conflicts?
Requiring hardware support seems like a big short-term disadvantage to me. It sounds like a feature that will take a long time to trickle down from expensive "server" processors to become widely available.
Agreed. Hopefully we're wrong and it will make it to cheap chips fast, but outside of server use and hobbyists I'm not sure there's a viable virtualization market yet. I think it could be a killer work-from-home app, though: install your company's VPN client and preferred apps with company settings in a VM and fire it up to do work...never worry that changing apps or settings in your home VM will mess up your work VM or vice versa.
The Xen0 kernel is the kernel that you'd actually boot on top of xen and use as your main OS.
Nitpicking the "main OS" wording: it's the host OS. I would think in a production server environment you'd keep this OS minimal and not do much in the Xen0 domain so you don't risk crashing or compromising the host environment. On the other hand, if it's a game box it would make sense to have the 3d video drivers in domain 0, and if it's a workstation it may or may not make sense to have the host OS run apps and have the user domains for testing purposes.
Once the Xen0 kernel is running on top of xen, you have basically a normal linux kernel running that does all the hardware support. Then you load up Xen guest machines running the Xen0 kernel and these run their in their own virtual machines complete with their own disk images and linux distro. (my bolding)
Typo: The guests are XenU (user) kernels which typically have no real device drivers and are therefore much smaller. Very well put, though. Note that you can use any block device as a disk image: a file, an LVM volume or even an actual hdd.
I'd really like a low cost virtualization option so that I could run Linux without rebooting.
VMWare has a free beta "player" now, and you should be able to download various VM images here and there...they offer a "browser appliance" VM from their site, and I was able to boot it to a KNOPPIX CD instead and reformat the virtual partition. I was trying to install Win2k3 but failed, but I don't expect there would've been a problem running debootstrap or another Linux installer using that VM with the free player.
I just recently got Xen set up on a second computer, so this free player is a tad late for me to want to use it much for linux.
Xen should be an interesting free VM machine with the next generation of virtualizing CPUs, and I heard they had it running windows in alpha on current processors. But the VMWare beta player is free (as in beer) right now and works right now.
CoLinux is worth checking into, but it says it's not stable so I haven't put it on any halfway important PCs. I did see it--or at least the CoLinux TAP-TUN network adapter--last week in an embedded WinXP tablet for a specific industrial function, but I didn't get to play with the device long enough to see if it was actually running Linux under CoLinux in production.
Before hitting submit I checked to see if I'm cross-posting...yep. They mention QEMU and MS Unix services; I haven't tried QEMU and only toyed with Unix services. Guess I should throw in mention of Cygwin (very handy...love sshd on Windows) and bochs, but bochs is slow and Cygwin has limits depending on what you want from Linux. (Cygwin is an awesome toolset to add to Windows, though.)
Next thing you know, I'm gonna read an article that says "OMG OMG STOP EVERYTHING.. There's fungi in cheese!"
Yup. I happened to be eating cheese when reading the summary and comments (haven't RTFA'd, of course) and immediately thought of my fungal lunch. Yummy.
This particular selection of cheese is pre-sliced sharp cheddar for my sandwich. They not wrapped individually but fanned out with paper in between. It's a fairly new package, but several slices had some green fungus along one edge or corner. Did I panic? No, I re-checked the stamped date, shrugged my shoulders and broke or scraped off the green fungus as appropriate and ate those slices. I also pondered what percentage of the U.S. population would cringe at those actions. (Wait 'till they hear what's in yogurt!)
Seriously, it seems as if bacteria (or, more rhetorically, GERMS) are replacing paedophiles in terms of evoking hysteria for protecting THE CHILDREN (OMG).
"This is a recorded message from Your County Sherrif department. This is to notify you that a GERM has moved into the 2300 block of Pleasanview Drive and has complied with state and federal regulations notifying us of his residence."
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Frankly, if I was starting from scratch and rolling my own BSP, I'd choose NetBSD. Embedded friendly license, code purity, and it probably already has your processor arch.
I noticed our Ricoh Afficio copier/printer/scanners run NetBSD embedded. I wondered why then thought "of course it runs NetBSD!" I haven't tried hacking into them, but there doesn't seem to be many accessible commands.
if this friend lives in the States i suggest tequila, a couple friends, and a pickup truck.
And then drive to Canada?
It's okay because it rhymes with vagina.
ACK! The like the parent provided is PORN
Being at home and practicing safe browsing, I gleefully clicked the link. YIKES! I doubt those girls are 18. Seriously, I cleared my history and cache for fear of legal reprecussions.
Mods, you may actually want to delete or edit the GP post.
DON'T CLICK THAT LINK!
Seriously! We mean it!
SCO continually asks for more and more without looking at what they have.
Braaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiinnnsssssssss....
Here's some topical ointment. And for God's sake, don't touch you're eye!
What would you rather have dropped on your head? 1 pound of bricks or 5 pounds of feathers?
Okay, stupid post, but what did you expect from me and Slashdot?
That's probably what they mean. I started using/> for a while before I realized it was only valid for xhtml and not valid for any definition of html. I've seen other people do this, too. I also did the same thing for <img src="boobies.jpg" /> and other no-content tags; I don't have the plugins to see the graph so I can't see if this "element" shows up in img, meta or the others.
Can't remember what XP promissed over 2k, though. Better games? Icons for children? Can't have been improved stability, right?
Win2k wasn't marketed to home users; they mostly stuck with Win98 or tried WinME. Those of us who had Win2k saw WinXP as a candy coated Win2k, but for non business users it was a great jump in stability. (As time goes on I find more I like about WinXP over Win2k, but none of the differences are earth shaking.)
You left out toilet paper: under or over and Ginger vs. Mary Ann. ("Over" and "both" are correct, by the way.)
We once tried to use about 300 windows in a high rise to display a picture using lights. What a fias o getting people to follow directions.
I always assumed building maintenance had to run around and turn all the lights onn and off when I see such a design in a MNF city or some other night sport event.
It definitely can't be the office people. I've seen their restrooms. They can't even flush or aim. I've seen evidence to suggest they can't read, either. No way they could collaborate to draw a light picture.
I think that they do have a point - the grandparent poster running "4 red hat 7.3 DNS servers" and "1 red hat 6 machine that lasted 6 years without an OS related reboot" does seem to be emphasizing uptime over security though. Either you take an hour or two to back up your data, set up redundant services, and upgrade according to your schedule, or someone might force you to update at a "less convinient" time.
AFAIK the nonmodule parts of the kernel are the only thing you can't upgrade on the fly, and how many kernel-level vulnerabilities have there been? I recall one that allows privilege escalation if someone gets a local logon. Perhaps his kernel wasn't vulnerable, or perhaps he decided the exploit risk was low given his environment.
Not over-the-top violent?
Civ: Take over the world in one of several ways; violence helps all of them, and bonuses for whipping your subjects to death or enslaving the enemy's subjects
Pirates: Hello? Pirate? Rape and pillage...
sports: Beat your opponent into submission through direct physical exertion or by out-enduring your oppenent until he's a blob of jelly on the turf/track.
And just to be sure, another:
Yeah, I agr....uh, hang on, I need to surf over to eBay for a bit...
Keep the daemon, but make it so that if you didn't know it was supposed to be a daemon... it's um... not a daemon.
I kind-of like the new logo, but I thought the point was to get rid of the demonic look. What has short horns and is red? Sure, I know what the old logo looks like, but I wonder what the uninitiated will think this is? You know people try to identify shapes.
Well, the spilled-coffee-ring logo has been put to pasture, I guess.
Does that new hardware support allow running Windows without having to modify it first? For the moment, it appears that no OS will work without modification and support for Windows might not be forthcoming:
From what I've read, supposedly the virtualizing technology in the upcoming chips will allow unmodified OSes to run as virtual machines. However, I haven't seen discussion of how hard devices will be shared between uncooperative OSes. Current Windows products expect to own all devices, and I expect the virtualization tech will handle registers and memory mapping, but I wonder where the mechanism is to keep multiple instances of Windows (for example) from conflicting over USB or any arbitrary PCI, AGP or ISA peripheral. Is this handled by Xen (in this case), the processor or something we haven't seen yet, or do we have to disable the devices in guest OSes to prevent conflicts?
Requiring hardware support seems like a big short-term disadvantage to me. It sounds like a feature that will take a long time to trickle down from expensive "server" processors to become widely available.
Agreed. Hopefully we're wrong and it will make it to cheap chips fast, but outside of server use and hobbyists I'm not sure there's a viable virtualization market yet. I think it could be a killer work-from-home app, though: install your company's VPN client and preferred apps with company settings in a VM and fire it up to do work...never worry that changing apps or settings in your home VM will mess up your work VM or vice versa.
The Xen0 kernel is the kernel that you'd actually boot on top of xen and use as your main OS.
Nitpicking the "main OS" wording: it's the host OS. I would think in a production server environment you'd keep this OS minimal and not do much in the Xen0 domain so you don't risk crashing or compromising the host environment. On the other hand, if it's a game box it would make sense to have the 3d video drivers in domain 0, and if it's a workstation it may or may not make sense to have the host OS run apps and have the user domains for testing purposes.
Once the Xen0 kernel is running on top of xen, you have basically a normal linux kernel running that does all the hardware support. Then you load up Xen guest machines running the Xen0 kernel and these run their in their own virtual machines complete with their own disk images and linux distro. (my bolding)
Typo: The guests are XenU (user) kernels which typically have no real device drivers and are therefore much smaller. Very well put, though. Note that you can use any block device as a disk image: a file, an LVM volume or even an actual hdd.
(interrupting) Unh-unh, screw you, home. (with appropriate gestures)
Or it would inspire game publishers to port versions to Linux to reach Windows-free markets.
I'd really like a low cost virtualization option so that I could run Linux without rebooting.
VMWare has a free beta "player" now, and you should be able to download various VM images here and there...they offer a "browser appliance" VM from their site, and I was able to boot it to a KNOPPIX CD instead and reformat the virtual partition. I was trying to install Win2k3 but failed, but I don't expect there would've been a problem running debootstrap or another Linux installer using that VM with the free player.
I just recently got Xen set up on a second computer, so this free player is a tad late for me to want to use it much for linux.
Xen should be an interesting free VM machine with the next generation of virtualizing CPUs, and I heard they had it running windows in alpha on current processors. But the VMWare beta player is free (as in beer) right now and works right now.
CoLinux is worth checking into, but it says it's not stable so I haven't put it on any halfway important PCs. I did see it--or at least the CoLinux TAP-TUN network adapter--last week in an embedded WinXP tablet for a specific industrial function, but I didn't get to play with the device long enough to see if it was actually running Linux under CoLinux in production.
Before hitting submit I checked to see if I'm cross-posting...yep. They mention QEMU and MS Unix services; I haven't tried QEMU and only toyed with Unix services. Guess I should throw in mention of Cygwin (very handy...love sshd on Windows) and bochs, but bochs is slow and Cygwin has limits depending on what you want from Linux. (Cygwin is an awesome toolset to add to Windows, though.)
"So, you went to Yale?"
"Yes, I yust got out last week!"
http://www.mklinux.org/
Not sure how current it is, and it might be for 68000-based CPUs if I'm not confusing it with another project.
Next thing you know, I'm gonna read an article that says "OMG OMG STOP EVERYTHING.. There's fungi in cheese!"
Yup. I happened to be eating cheese when reading the summary and comments (haven't RTFA'd, of course) and immediately thought of my fungal lunch. Yummy.
This particular selection of cheese is pre-sliced sharp cheddar for my sandwich. They not wrapped individually but fanned out with paper in between. It's a fairly new package, but several slices had some green fungus along one edge or corner. Did I panic? No, I re-checked the stamped date, shrugged my shoulders and broke or scraped off the green fungus as appropriate and ate those slices. I also pondered what percentage of the U.S. population would cringe at those actions. (Wait 'till they hear what's in yogurt!)
Seriously, it seems as if bacteria (or, more rhetorically, GERMS) are replacing paedophiles in terms of evoking hysteria for protecting THE CHILDREN (OMG).
"This is a recorded message from Your County Sherrif department. This is to notify you that a GERM has moved into the 2300 block of Pleasanview Drive and has complied with state and federal regulations notifying us of his residence."