Your post reads EXACTLY like the type of post I was talking about earlier, blind loyalty and dismissive of the competition without trying it properly. Brand loyalty is fine and all but using some common sense and being objective can help y'know.
Guys just because he's mentioned iracing a few times doesn't mean he's a shill. I've come in to the thread ranting about Forza and got a +5 (I'm not a shill either)
This is a thread about sim racing or at least close to sim racing (console 'sims' are obviously GT and Forza) Whoever is reducing his posts to 0 cut it out, it's still mostly on topic about the genre.
As I said before tho, most of us just can't focus on it, it's like WWII sim games and so on, there's a fine niche of ultra sim games on the PC now which are bloody fantastic but demand a LOT of time and sure aren't plug and play.
I love these kind of games but I am on a serious time budget. I honestly don't think or feel it's cheating. The people who use rewind get different scoreboards iirc to differntiate online etc.
It's a smart and simple feature which can keep everyone interested in finishing a race. I quit both F1 and F2 when I got to the stupid handling US super muscle cars like the high end Corvette or the Cobra, it was just too hard.
Now it's not - I don't know if I'd pass up GT5 but I'd seriously be un-imprrssed if it lacked the feature (and I bet it doesn't!)
I agree with your post pretty much entirely. The saddest part about all this is every single GT 'snippet' I listed since GT4, FEELS LIKE GT4 MODIFIED. It doesn't feel like a new engine, the AI feels the same, the sound seems the same, the physics feel the same, it just seems like they added some cars and high res'd some graphics.
There's a plethora of idiotic men and women on this earth, have no doubt I agree. That being said to isolate them all to be ones who went to college is ridiculous, you'd be far better off looking at a criteria of movies, books, tv shows that they like.
Do they list all the latest, standard blockbuster films in their bio and well American Idol, Jersey Shore and Entertainment tonight in their profile? Here's a friends facebook info, she's an intelligent geek and a fairly cool chick.
Favourite TV Programmes:
24, Big Bang Theory, Bones, Burn Notice, Criminal Minds, Eureka, Ghost Hunters, Numb3rs, Chuck, MythBusters, Psych, Supernatural Favourite Films:
Cube, Die Hard, Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, Nothing, Ong Bak, Shawshank Redemption, Stargate, Zacharia Farted
There's a perfect example of a relatively intelligent person, may or may not be compatible with someone with an actual brain and oh wait, she didn't go to Uni / College either.
I teeter right on the edge of hardcore, so I very very nearly purchased a 700$ AUD wheel (only multiplatform one in existence >:( ) but I do still enjoy laying back on the couch and relaxing.
Richard Burns Rally had the best most insane physics for a WRC game ever, it was too hard for me to dedicate myself to and I'm sure it's fun but it's just a time thing. I'm the perfect GT or Forza demographic, I'll throw 50 hours at a great racing game but probably quit there, I also don't like the idea of sitting at my PC doing it, I've even got a nice monitor and chair but a couch is just how it should be unless you're proper, proper serious about it, pretty niche stuff.
I just wrote an epic post about this and forgot to mention the damned damage physics to boot. As for your quote "correctly, realised:..." exactly, absoloutely, PD need to wake the hell up and stop boasting and saying how bloody wonderful they are and SHOW SOMETHING.
So these guys keep wanting to prove my point!
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For the past 2 to 3 years I have been harping on at numerous forums how I'm not entirely convinced that Polyphony Digital actually know what the hell they are doing. GT4 was a splendid game for the time, the physics were great for a PS2 and 'semi' realistic racer (see: Proper PC Sims for insane physics but much much more niche) the menu music was nice and I liked how they didn't throw cars at you like dollar notes to a stripper, I had to 'bond' with my first car and work my way up with it. I had that MX5 for about 50 races.
Now, if you actually read any articles and interviews, the GT guys seem to want to add every single possible gametype to the game. WRC, F1, Nascar, 'standard' racing cars and of course modified real cars too. Apparently they are going to be able to handle the driving physics and engines for all these types (oh and motorbikes in the latest news articles!) I think they are diluting the hell out of the game just trying to throw anything and everything at it.
Forza has a few good things going for it, for one it has probably some of the best rumble and audio queues in a racing game since Rallisport challenge 2. As ridiculous as it sounds, you feel as if you really can feel the track / wheel traction just from a controller. The audio is very good at distinguishing traction, the rumble is just right and combined they work well. GT however has been re-using the same 'arcade style' traction squeel which sounds like it came out of Outrun since GT3. No, I'm not joking, go and play GT3, GT4, GT4 Prologue, GT5 Prologue, GT5 Limited Jap demo, GT HD Concept and finally GT Academy - the tire squeel sound is not only the same, it's just plain annoying!
While I'm at it, they keep releasing things like GT HD Concept, GT5 Jap Demo, GT5 Prologue, GT Academy (Europe series and Aus/NZ series!) and I believe I'm missing one of the GT5 demos too... can I just be blunt and say, where the heck is the game for goodness sakes? Now in the time that GT4 has shipped, Turn 10 under Microsoft have shipped Forza 1, Forza 2 and Forza 3, furthermore it's not like they "madden'd!" the Forza series, each game had quite a fair while between each release with substantial changes to them and improvements. Example Forza 1 and 2 had crappy emo rock thrashy music in the menus which just got on your nerves, whereas GT4 - credit where credit is due had this very laid back elevator style music you could (and would) comfortably listen to all day in a 12 hour rainy Sunday racing and upgrading session. Now Forza 3 has some pretty relaxed menu beats, rewind feature (best thing EVER for anyone who isn't an extreme racer) You've got brilliant graphics, a car trading and buying system - etc.
Also if you listened to the 1up podcasts about 18 months back Shane Bettenhausen quoted the Polyphony GT guys as basically saying "we're the best, we don't care about the competition we literally haven't even seen Forza 1 or 2" this arrogance frankly pisses me off as I just want a good product from both companies. Forza 2 most certainly WAS worth PD looking at, there are several improvements. (FWIW They finally did sneak a peak at F3 mid 2009 if I recall, the game was delayed a few months later)
So why am I posting this? I'm basically sick of speaking to mates or anyone really about games and when GT comes up it's "wow, amazing, best ever, insane!" along with "GT5 will be best/better/amazing" along with "Forza is arcadey shit" (Me:) "Have you played it?" "Nah but I've seen it!" - that's a real conversation I've had with not 1 but 2 normally intelligent people. I love my PS3, vastly more than my 360 and genuinely dislike the business model of XBLive Gold, dislike the nickel and diming, dislike the reliability issues and I still purchased a 360 JUST for Forza 3 and it was worth every cent.
I may as well get the whole rant out there. GT5 Prologue, no car modding? for 60$ AUD (40$ US?) you have to be bloody joking! Also, I may be called a heathen but between the good feedback audio, controller rumble
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Looks like the schoolkids (digg users?) have found/. guys, time we impliment a whitelist system.
"Women with a college degree" so I take it people without a college degree are somehow inferior? Un-educated buffoons, no doubt! If I were a woman and had to make the choice of a man, I think my criteria would be to avoid people with such silly stipulations.
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I loathe it with all my being, please for the love of god do this, somehow!
I quite like Windows 7 compared to Vista and I've finally switched from XP. Sadly this guy is completely right though, I find it so confusing to use the networking Window now that I just use the keyword search down the bottom to find the section I'm looking for, using the menu is a nightmare.
Really depends on the person pal, I can assure you when I'm in mania, god I wish I could stay there. It's too good to be true (literally) the other side, that is so vastly worse it's not even funny.
and yet Forza is now the superior series yet so many GT fans sit with their eyes closed refusing to see it. (disclaimer: PS3 fanboy here, dislike the 360 and dislike the way Microsoft handle live, nickel and dime customers and STILL got a 360 just for Forza 3 - worth every penny)
GT is finished, they have diluted the game so much with nascar, indycar, WRC, F1, regular cars - they don't know WHAT they are doing. The driving physics are getting worse, not better and in the most recent release (GT Academy) the FOV and camera position is simply 'wrong' - it feels like driving a shopping trolley.
I'm not even exaggerating - try it. Forza is leaps and bounds more superior as a driving game. Oh and F1/F2 and Forza 3 have ALL come out since GT actually last shipped a full game (GT4) ANNNND it's not like Turn 10 rushed them out either for goodness sakes! 18 to 24 months between each title. ANDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Polyphony Digital are so arrogant they insist 'we don't need to see what the competition are doing, we're the best' (that's a partial quote)
I could go on for hours, let's just say - buy Forza 3 if you like racing, goddamn it's great. Get GT5 too, I will be - but my expectations are rock bottom based on their attitude and demos / trials / 'prologues' of late.
My comment is probably not worth too much not being a developer at all but I am an iphone owner and I must be honest the Nexus one does look pretty interesting. I'm also an Aussie and the Nexus one isn't coming here unfortunately due to incompatibilities with Telstra (the most evil company around, sadly they do have a good phone network)
I will say most of his stuff is meaningless to me but as a hardware junkie, his 8'th point about the amount of target platforms, inherant in the nature of an open platform like android is a bit of a concern. There's always positives and negatives in open and closed systems and this is a pretty distinct point, the question is though, what's the solution and who is going to get on it fast?
I'd like to see it solved because I do quite like my iphone but sadly I finally cracked the shits with it being so locked down and jailbroke it. It's better now but I/shouldn't have to/.... would like to see an open platform at least be 1/2 as popular as the iphone.
but it sure will make you look a bit dopey if you're still rolling with hotmail or aol. I see usa.net is still around too, I had one of those a long long time ago too.
Now if you're not rolling your own domain, gmail or at least a respectable ISP in the very least your co-workers will give you a bit of shit.
Sorry but that's the only way of expressing it. Can we just let it die? Please? This is the Tila Tequila of video games, it's the Heidi and Spencer of video games. George Broussard has shown time and time again his incompetence, I've seen him posting on shacknews for the past 10 years, I'm convinced he plays more games than your 'average hardcore gamer' if there is such a thing. Can we just totally and utterly completely ignore him and 3DRealms pleaaaase?
Why is this post a score 1, while the dipshit at the top questioning land value and forgetting that Uranium doesn't grow on trees is a +5? Much like the real world really I suppose. Agreed by the way (obviously)
I wonder if they could give you a soft token, which works for the iphone app. http://images.google.com/images?q=rsa%20app%20iphone&hl=en A mate showed me this, pretty damn cool. I'm not an encryption guru so I couldn't tell you how or why it's just as good as the real physical dongle but I'm sure it would be or they wouldn't release it. (Someone here will no doubt reply with more info on this) Shame my crappy Government remote authentication software is a couple of versions out of date for me to make use of this on my iphone:/
My bank called me 4 days ago and told me my card was 'compromised' and Mastercard had contacted Bankwest (Australia) to inform them of a list of cards with 'security issues'. It never occured to me this might be the same issue as the 2010 / 2016 one. Traditionally when your bank calls you and offers a card swap over, it's a pretty quick process, however it's been 4 days and nothing so I'm thinking it's quite possible they got stung too. Looks like it according to this too. http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/welcome-to-2016-eftpos-glitch-spreads-20100105-lqus.html?comments=19
Is this a joke, I can't tell? You don't need any goddamned fuel of any kind for the solar tower, you don't have any nuclear waste, it just runs itself, period.
Funny? I don't wanna be funny, screw this guy - what an attitude, he really does sound like management already. Get this man a labotomy, a blackberry and a lot of meetings over skinny lattes down at the local cafe:/
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Your post reads EXACTLY like the type of post I was talking about earlier, blind loyalty and dismissive of the competition without trying it properly.
Brand loyalty is fine and all but using some common sense and being objective can help y'know.
Guys just because he's mentioned iracing a few times doesn't mean he's a shill.
I've come in to the thread ranting about Forza and got a +5 (I'm not a shill either)
This is a thread about sim racing or at least close to sim racing (console 'sims' are obviously GT and Forza)
Whoever is reducing his posts to 0 cut it out, it's still mostly on topic about the genre.
As I said before tho, most of us just can't focus on it, it's like WWII sim games and so on, there's a fine niche of ultra sim games on the PC now which are bloody fantastic but demand a LOT of time and sure aren't plug and play.
None the less, let him have his say.
I love these kind of games but I am on a serious time budget. I honestly don't think or feel it's cheating. The people who use rewind get different scoreboards iirc to differntiate online etc.
It's a smart and simple feature which can keep everyone interested in finishing a race.
I quit both F1 and F2 when I got to the stupid handling US super muscle cars like the high end Corvette or the Cobra, it was just too hard.
Now it's not - I don't know if I'd pass up GT5 but I'd seriously be un-imprrssed if it lacked the feature (and I bet it doesn't!)
I agree with your post pretty much entirely.
The saddest part about all this is every single GT 'snippet' I listed since GT4, FEELS LIKE GT4 MODIFIED.
It doesn't feel like a new engine, the AI feels the same, the sound seems the same, the physics feel the same, it just seems like they added some cars and high res'd some graphics.
There's a plethora of idiotic men and women on this earth, have no doubt I agree. That being said to isolate them all to be ones who went to college is ridiculous, you'd be far better off looking at a criteria of movies, books, tv shows that they like.
Do they list all the latest, standard blockbuster films in their bio and well American Idol, Jersey Shore and Entertainment tonight in their profile?
Here's a friends facebook info, she's an intelligent geek and a fairly cool chick.
Favourite TV Programmes:
24, Big Bang Theory, Bones, Burn Notice, Criminal Minds, Eureka, Ghost Hunters, Numb3rs, Chuck, MythBusters, Psych, Supernatural
Favourite Films:
Cube, Die Hard, Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, Nothing, Ong Bak, Shawshank Redemption, Stargate, Zacharia Farted
There's a perfect example of a relatively intelligent person, may or may not be compatible with someone with an actual brain and oh wait, she didn't go to Uni / College either.
Ridiculous.
I teeter right on the edge of hardcore, so I very very nearly purchased a 700$ AUD wheel (only multiplatform one in existence >:( ) but I do still enjoy laying back on the couch and relaxing.
Richard Burns Rally had the best most insane physics for a WRC game ever, it was too hard for me to dedicate myself to and I'm sure it's fun but it's just a time thing.
I'm the perfect GT or Forza demographic, I'll throw 50 hours at a great racing game but probably quit there, I also don't like the idea of sitting at my PC doing it, I've even got a nice monitor and chair but a couch is just how it should be unless you're proper, proper serious about it, pretty niche stuff.
I just wrote an epic post about this and forgot to mention the damned damage physics to boot. ..." exactly, absoloutely, PD need to wake the hell up and stop boasting and saying how bloody wonderful they are and SHOW SOMETHING.
As for your quote "correctly, realised:
For the past 2 to 3 years I have been harping on at numerous forums how I'm not entirely convinced that Polyphony Digital actually know what the hell they are doing.
GT4 was a splendid game for the time, the physics were great for a PS2 and 'semi' realistic racer (see: Proper PC Sims for insane physics but much much more niche) the menu music was nice and I liked how they didn't throw cars at you like dollar notes to a stripper, I had to 'bond' with my first car and work my way up with it. I had that MX5 for about 50 races.
Now, if you actually read any articles and interviews, the GT guys seem to want to add every single possible gametype to the game.
WRC, F1, Nascar, 'standard' racing cars and of course modified real cars too. Apparently they are going to be able to handle the driving physics and engines for all these types (oh and motorbikes in the latest news articles!)
I think they are diluting the hell out of the game just trying to throw anything and everything at it.
Forza has a few good things going for it, for one it has probably some of the best rumble and audio queues in a racing game since Rallisport challenge 2. As ridiculous as it sounds, you feel as if you really can feel the track / wheel traction just from a controller. The audio is very good at distinguishing traction, the rumble is just right and combined they work well.
GT however has been re-using the same 'arcade style' traction squeel which sounds like it came out of Outrun since GT3.
No, I'm not joking, go and play GT3, GT4, GT4 Prologue, GT5 Prologue, GT5 Limited Jap demo, GT HD Concept and finally GT Academy - the tire squeel sound is not only the same, it's just plain annoying!
While I'm at it, they keep releasing things like GT HD Concept, GT5 Jap Demo, GT5 Prologue, GT Academy (Europe series and Aus/NZ series!) and I believe I'm missing one of the GT5 demos too... can I just be blunt and say, where the heck is the game for goodness sakes? Now in the time that GT4 has shipped, Turn 10 under Microsoft have shipped Forza 1, Forza 2 and Forza 3, furthermore it's not like they "madden'd!" the Forza series, each game had quite a fair while between each release with substantial changes to them and improvements.
Example Forza 1 and 2 had crappy emo rock thrashy music in the menus which just got on your nerves, whereas GT4 - credit where credit is due had this very laid back elevator style music you could (and would) comfortably listen to all day in a 12 hour rainy Sunday racing and upgrading session. Now Forza 3 has some pretty relaxed menu beats, rewind feature (best thing EVER for anyone who isn't an extreme racer) You've got brilliant graphics, a car trading and buying system - etc.
Also if you listened to the 1up podcasts about 18 months back Shane Bettenhausen quoted the Polyphony GT guys as basically saying "we're the best, we don't care about the competition we literally haven't even seen Forza 1 or 2" this arrogance frankly pisses me off as I just want a good product from both companies. Forza 2 most certainly WAS worth PD looking at, there are several improvements. (FWIW They finally did sneak a peak at F3 mid 2009 if I recall, the game was delayed a few months later)
So why am I posting this? I'm basically sick of speaking to mates or anyone really about games and when GT comes up it's "wow, amazing, best ever, insane!" along with "GT5 will be best/better/amazing" along with "Forza is arcadey shit" (Me:) "Have you played it?" "Nah but I've seen it!" - that's a real conversation I've had with not 1 but 2 normally intelligent people.
I love my PS3, vastly more than my 360 and genuinely dislike the business model of XBLive Gold, dislike the nickel and diming, dislike the reliability issues and I still purchased a 360 JUST for Forza 3 and it was worth every cent.
I may as well get the whole rant out there.
GT5 Prologue, no car modding? for 60$ AUD (40$ US?) you have to be bloody joking!
Also, I may be called a heathen but between the good feedback audio, controller rumble
Looks like the schoolkids (digg users?) have found /. guys, time we impliment a whitelist system.
"Women with a college degree" so I take it people without a college degree are somehow inferior? Un-educated buffoons, no doubt!
If I were a woman and had to make the choice of a man, I think my criteria would be to avoid people with such silly stipulations.
I loathe it with all my being, please for the love of god do this, somehow!
I quite like Windows 7 compared to Vista and I've finally switched from XP.
Sadly this guy is completely right though, I find it so confusing to use the networking Window now that I just use the keyword search down the bottom to find the section I'm looking for, using the menu is a nightmare.
Really depends on the person pal, I can assure you when I'm in mania, god I wish I could stay there. It's too good to be true (literally) the other side, that is so vastly worse it's not even funny.
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Porsche%20911%20Turbo%20S%20wheel%20multiplatform%20better%20than%20G25&hl=en&meta=
and yet Forza is now the superior series yet so many GT fans sit with their eyes closed refusing to see it.
(disclaimer: PS3 fanboy here, dislike the 360 and dislike the way Microsoft handle live, nickel and dime customers and STILL got a 360 just for Forza 3 - worth every penny)
GT is finished, they have diluted the game so much with nascar, indycar, WRC, F1, regular cars - they don't know WHAT they are doing.
The driving physics are getting worse, not better and in the most recent release (GT Academy) the FOV and camera position is simply 'wrong' - it feels like driving a shopping trolley.
I'm not even exaggerating - try it. Forza is leaps and bounds more superior as a driving game. Oh and F1/F2 and Forza 3 have ALL come out since GT actually last shipped a full game (GT4) ANNNND it's not like Turn 10 rushed them out either for goodness sakes! 18 to 24 months between each title.
ANDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Polyphony Digital are so arrogant they insist 'we don't need to see what the competition are doing, we're the best' (that's a partial quote)
I could go on for hours, let's just say - buy Forza 3 if you like racing, goddamn it's great.
Get GT5 too, I will be - but my expectations are rock bottom based on their attitude and demos / trials / 'prologues' of late.
My comment is probably not worth too much not being a developer at all but I am an iphone owner and I must be honest the Nexus one does look pretty interesting.
I'm also an Aussie and the Nexus one isn't coming here unfortunately due to incompatibilities with Telstra (the most evil company around, sadly they do have a good phone network)
I will say most of his stuff is meaningless to me but as a hardware junkie, his 8'th point about the amount of target platforms, inherant in the nature of an open platform like android is a bit of a concern.
There's always positives and negatives in open and closed systems and this is a pretty distinct point, the question is though, what's the solution and who is going to get on it fast?
I'd like to see it solved because I do quite like my iphone but sadly I finally cracked the shits with it being so locked down and jailbroke it. It's better now but I /shouldn't have to/ .... would like to see an open platform at least be 1/2 as popular as the iphone.
We'll see I guess..
but it sure will make you look a bit dopey if you're still rolling with hotmail or aol.
I see usa.net is still around too, I had one of those a long long time ago too.
Now if you're not rolling your own domain, gmail or at least a respectable ISP in the very least your co-workers will give you a bit of shit.
Sorry but that's the only way of expressing it.
Can we just let it die? Please? This is the Tila Tequila of video games, it's the Heidi and Spencer of video games. George Broussard has shown time and time again his incompetence, I've seen him posting on shacknews for the past 10 years, I'm convinced he plays more games than your 'average hardcore gamer' if there is such a thing.
Can we just totally and utterly completely ignore him and 3DRealms pleaaaase?
Why is this post a score 1, while the dipshit at the top questioning land value and forgetting that Uranium doesn't grow on trees is a +5? Much like the real world really I suppose.
Agreed by the way (obviously)
I wonder if they could give you a soft token, which works for the iphone app. :/
http://images.google.com/images?q=rsa%20app%20iphone&hl=en
A mate showed me this, pretty damn cool. I'm not an encryption guru so I couldn't tell you how or why it's just as good as the real physical dongle but I'm sure it would be or they wouldn't release it. (Someone here will no doubt reply with more info on this)
Shame my crappy Government remote authentication software is a couple of versions out of date for me to make use of this on my iphone
+5 insightful, not +5 funny folks.
My bank called me 4 days ago and told me my card was 'compromised' and Mastercard had contacted Bankwest (Australia) to inform them of a list of cards with 'security issues'. It never occured to me this might be the same issue as the 2010 / 2016 one.
Traditionally when your bank calls you and offers a card swap over, it's a pretty quick process, however it's been 4 days and nothing so I'm thinking it's quite possible they got stung too.
Looks like it according to this too.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/welcome-to-2016-eftpos-glitch-spreads-20100105-lqus.html?comments=19
Is this a joke, I can't tell?
You don't need any goddamned fuel of any kind for the solar tower, you don't have any nuclear waste, it just runs itself, period.
Seriously are you joking?
Funny? I don't wanna be funny, screw this guy - what an attitude, he really does sound like management already. Get this man a labotomy, a blackberry and a lot of meetings over skinny lattes down at the local cafe :/
You sure you've chosen the right profession? Sounds to me like you want to be in management, you'll fit right in.