I see this as BSD. They're making sure their foundations are rock solid before building on top of them. It's good practice. The rest of the infrastructure will come with time.
Hmm, they seem to have been building that foundation for a LOOONG time. Maybe the fact of the matter is just that they dont *care* about being a major desktop OS? Or, maybe they just dont have the ability to design a really good desktop.
Whatever the case is, it looks like your view is just being an apologist for why they arent a major (or even good) desktop OS. If they were going to be a player in that area, they would have done it already.
Wait, you are saying you make less impulse purchases on an auction website? Ive read about people going bonkers and buying things they dont really need, just like the home shopping network.
Also, eBay is really a seller's market. Ive often observed that closing bids are actually higher than if you just went to Best Buy or CompUSA and purchased the item there.
Im all for Internet shopping, however, because it makes pricematching quick and easy. But eBay is definitely not (generally, anyway) a place for bargain hunters.
BTW, I also suspect a lot of what ends up on eBay was stolen. After all, nobody is really checking reciepts.
I dont understand what this bug people have up their ass about Media Player is all about. Why does anybody think its a good thing that people are forced to buy software everyone will need to buy (like, well, a media player, a web browser, or for an older example, a terminal emulator)?
Or is it just a contrarian attitude toward anything Microsoft? Nobody seems to have a problem with Linux distros putting more and more features into their OS, but somehow the fact that MS charges for their OS and Linux doesnt makes MS wrong? The attitude just doesnt make sense on so many levels.
well, maybe thats an exageration, but Linux is definitely in IBM's sights as something they want to hold a solid piece of.
Come on, you dont think IBM, a highly successful company, is supporting Linux for any high ideals, do you? IBM doesnt care to 'stick it to the man', because, for the most part, they are 'the man'.
Oh, Im not knocking AS. As I said, I recommended and used it, because it was a situation where a few degrees of difference would matter.
The toothpaste thing (I believe he also used vegemite) was only intended to be humorous. Heck, he even used water; Im sure that wouldnt work for any serious amount of time, either, but it sure is a good heat conductor.
Repeat after me: "Would you like fries with that?"
Otherwise, get re-certified. I think too many people act like schooling or certification is a video game, and they keep score with framable pieces of paper. Its not about having a degree or cert, its about learning something. If you dont like what you are learning, maybe you are in the wrong field. You can always train for a new field; it may not pay as well as your old career (at first, anyway), but having computer skills can be used as an added bonus, kind of like speaking another language. Since a lot of companies dont actually hire IT staff, having somebody on-hand who can do so really wont hurt your prospects of winning out against other people going for the same, non-IT related, job.
When you are addressing the concernes of IT departments, you arent looking at the spam-blocking ability of any email client. You are looking at ways of filtering it from the email server, before it reaches the inbox.And I don't think micropayments will stop spam - wouldn't the spammers just use servers that didn't require that?
I dont see how anything which forces people to upgrade their SMTP client is going to work; there are way too many places using it to just change. Even if there WERE a viable, cross-platform alternative, it would (IMO) take longer than two years to get everyone in the world to switch. Now I dont know, maybe they have a way to do it without requiring people to upgrade their SMTP protocol.
And would email be as useful if you could only get mail from someone who bought into a particular micropayment system?
Im not sure, as I didnt RTFA, but when they discuss 'costs' regarding email and networking, they arent speaking of a monetary exchange. Cost is usually some kind of charge-back, payed for in processor time; it forces the sender to successfully perform a computation. If everybody were using this, it would throttle the amount of email a server could send at one time.
Ah, this has all been heard before when we switched from 16-bit to 32-bit programs.
The fact is as true as it was then: some applications are going to run faster just because 32-bit compilers are more 'mature'. Once the newer method becomes mainstream, you will see either the same speed, or a gain in speed.
Needless to say, the guy in the other post who stated an anology with an abacus had it right- something small is obviously going to execute faster. We arent switching to 64-bit processors so we can run
10 print "64-bit is k3wl" 20 goto 10
The more complex applications of the future generation, as well as the ability to move large amounts of data from memory to cpu, is what is driving the move.
Thats exactly what I though when I read the original post. I mean hell, you can basically just use a $1 tube of dielectric grease from Radio Shack (it worked for me, and has worked fine for two years and still going).
The only thing products like "Arctic Silver" do is allow your cpu to stay a few degrees cooler. Dan's Data has lots of good info (including charts, etc) on this.
I recently built a computer for my brother, and suggested he get Arctic Silver. Why? Because it was a small XPC case, which uses passive cooling; heat retension would be a concern, so the few degrees AS would give could be important at some point. On my computer, Im using a big case with lots of fans (active cooling), so the cheap stuff works just fine.
BTW, Dan's Data also tested toothpaste as a thermal paste. Now while there are issues why you wouldnt use this for real, it received better scores than Arctic Silver =)
I say they probably realized that people in developing countries couldn't afford to upgrade entire networks, and might pursue alternatives
No, I would say they are continuing to listen to their customers, just like they always do. There are SO many cases where they announced they were doing something, and they decided not to due to customers saying otherwise.
There was the retirement of the NT 4.0 MCSE, their decision to only use adaptive tests, the retirement of NT 4.0, etc etc.
The company listens to its customers. There is no ulterior motive here. If Burger King announced they were retiring their hamburgers to go strictly with chicken, but everyone wanted hamburgers anyway, how long would they stay in business?
They are just following intelligent business practices, since they cant claim some kind of 'right' to having customers, any more than any other company can.
For example the reason I'm not a sociopath, and why you're not a sociopath, is because you fear consequences - i.e. you are worried about what will happen to you if you do something bad.
I once shot a man in Omaha just to watch him bleed
Microsoft paid off SCO
Huh?
The key to happiness BTW, is doing things that help you and others. IBM knows this and so long as we have the same means to different ends, everybody is happy. Today the means is Linux. Tomorrow it won't be.
However, until that time it is foolish to describe AIX as a "dead bird around (IBM's) neck".
In the long term, it is definitely a dead bird. I never said IBM was going to be dumping IBM this week (or even this year). But its definitely going to happen, and they wont be at all sad to see AIX go.
Clearly IBM have no objection to supporting two completely different operating systems for the same hardware if it helps to shift more boxes.
I believe that last part (about selling boxes) was my point. However, Im sure IBM is very much opposed (at a higher level) to having to support two different operating systems. Especially when one of them costs them much less than the other.
what makes you think it'll be any cheaper for them to support Linux
I think a better question is what makes you think it wont?
Who but IBM is going to be able to support it on their latest and most expensive hardware?
Seems like a pretty good reason to stick with IBM consulting services...
At the very least they'd have to invest a lot of money in making test servers available to Linux developers.
They already have, and they make quite a lot of money charging corporations to work with those test servers.
IBM likes Linux because they don't like the fact that they have to depend on Microsoft
Im sorry, but that is a hugely ignorant statement. Do you even know what we are talking about? Nobody is going to put Windows on an IBM mainframe.
The reason is not a childish one, but the fact that they are unable to control a large part of what they offer. The control is at a third party (MS). I don't think this has much to do with IBM anxious to dump AIX
You dont even know what Im talking about. Do a little research before you post ignorant comments.
And as a bonus, their powerpc architecture is now more appealing
I dont think IBM mainframes even USE PowerPC... Do you even KNOW what a mainframe is?
We would never have considered a IBM AIX server. But an affordable IBM server running Linux is appealing, powerfull, robust and as it runs Linux, it runs what we use.
Maybe you should just stick to answering the phones, and leave these arguments for the adults.
Thank God. You really should have RTFA. The discussion was not about having one network with multiple operating systems (although it's not a bad idea - we do). Since you couldn't read it for yourself, I'll explain it. The premise is that it would be better for the whole world if there were more evenly divided operating systems connected to the 'net. That way malware would infect a smaller portion of machines, since malware tends to be OS-specific. Get it?
Im sorry. I thought you had the mental acuity to understand what I was talking about. My whole point, and I would highly advise it, is to read my original post. I stated in it that the whole concept of a monoculture is bullshit. You, however, want to try and poke holes into something which is true. You bring up (just like all the other fools) your bullshit "biology" argument, which gets slammed down as the crap it is. Also, you just basically try to *act* smart, because you cant *be* smart. Its pretty sad.
I dont need to RTFA, because the point I was making had nothing to do with the article. Sorry I didnt spell it out in smaller words which you could understand.
Or a one-trick pony with an MSCE who really doesn't understand anything that doesn't work with a mouse. During my decades involved with computers and information systems, I've found that people who claim to be experts never are. The real experts tend to say something like they have experience with the system/product, whatever. The real experts are always learning, and they know it.
Well, Ive found that experts generally like to be regarded as experts. They also are very good at explaining WHY they are correct in a given situation.
So, you have your bullshit, made-up experience, and I have my own experience based upon actually doing things successfully, and based upon learning things which are put to use. As I said in my last post, if you have any real degrees, they are just paper: you havent demonstrated jack shit regarding technical know-how (or even a logical argument).
Ahem, "controlled" is not the same as "sterile". Make up your mind. FYI any system that connects to the 'net is not in a sterile environment
Hmmm, do you really think that in a strictly technical sense, an operating room is *sterile*? I dont; I think they are using an approximate term. It is as close to sterile as is *practically* possible. If they needed to realistically create a sterile environment, the costs of doing surgery would be prohibitively expensive.
Thus making your last statement quite the straw man. An operating room is a controlled environment, plain and simple. But a nice attempt at a cover, given your previous stupid comments!
Well, one of us knows how to spell *caliber* (or calibre if you're a Brit), *doesn't*, *couldn't*, *whose*, *don't* and *I'm*.
And the other one of us doesnt give a shit, because he is talking to some know-nothing moron on an internet message board. If this were something actually important, I would actually care about using proper spelling, contractions, etc.
I find that when a debate reaches the point where one side has to nit-pick on grammar or spelling, they have already lost.
Yes, they are decorative, and one for CS says *Summa Cum Laude*, whatever that means.
Ya, those paper CS degrees are a dime a dozen these days.
The discussion was about the dangers of software monocultures, and my point was that UNIX and Linux installations are not affected by MS malware. The reverse would be equally true.
How is it dangerous? I run all-MS networks, and no computers on my network are affected by malware, viruses, or trojans. Why? Because I know what the fuck Im doing. But every place doesnt have a MS-focused network engineer of my calibur. You seem to be under the impression that good people are as common as dirt; if they had three OS's, they would need three people as good as me. Otherwise the guy who's skills were lacking would be making (or responsible for) problems I couldnt fix, or possibly even diagnose.
Thats why I said this was a stupid issue raise by people who dont understand MIS (Management Information Systems) issues. If you have a monoculture, you can act quickly to correct any problems. If you have 3 or more OS's, you have 3 or more points of entry, 3 or more vulnerabilities to keep on top of, and 3 or more groups of people to manage.
Im an expert BECAUSE I only work with MS products. I can be a jack of all OS's and master of none, or I can be a specialized expert. There is WAY too much to learn regarding anything in this world to think any one person can know everything.
If you ever have a heart attack, be sure to ask for a plastic surgeon to treat you! It will probably be the last thing you ever do.
Typical OSs do not operate in sterile environments
I dont know what kind of "anything goes" network YOU may run (you are probably managing the computer lab over at the junior college, right?), but on MY networks, its a controlled environment. Just like a sterile operating room is a controlled environment. I know what is there, what is SUPPOSED to be there, and what ISNT supposed to be there.
I already have two degrees in CS and MIS, but I do continue to take classes occasionally. Thanks for the advice.
One, I doubt you have a degree in anything except bullshit (hmm, so you have a B.S.)
Two, if you are telling the truth, than its obvious you went to school just to have a nice piece of paper on your wall. Because you dont know jack shit about MIS.
And, it was two distros on two different computers. And its not 'anecdotal evidence', its something which happened to ME personally, not something that happened to the co-worker of the neighbor of some guy who dated my sister's old roomate in high school.
Seems to be a specific hardware-problem.
No, it seems to be four hardware-specific problems, brainiac. (Two distros) X (two different computers) = four problems.
I had a similar problem with windows 95 on a computer with EGA and another with a MGA card. Yeah, these cards aren't supported.
But the difference is MS comes out and tells you what hardware does and doesnt work with the OS. Likewise, you can still get a base-level graphics display with any VGA card because of VESA support (the cards in those computers supported VESA). However, because Linux sucks cock at auto-detecting and configuring hardware, it didnt work on either computer, under either distro. And no, the other distro wasnt based on Mandrake. I think it was probably Red Hat.
But this is just anecdotal evidence (something you criticize yourself when it suits you) which doesn't match my personal experience.
Sounds like its just you are just too inexperienced, then. Because when I critize someone who says Windows cant do something, Im generally telling them how it CAN be done. Im proving people wrong, not just telling them and expecting them to accept it as fact.
If you weren't able to install the distribution completely then you never really used it, so you can hardly comment on its suitability for beginners.
Correction- I wasnt able to get either into a state I would consider useful. It installed just fine, I had the CLI and everything. But if you expect a beginner to be all happy staring at a blinking cursor, you must have a fuckin' hole in your head.
If a beginner cant get it working, than it isnt really good for beginners, is it?
Preinstall the OS on the machines and look at how easy beginners can accomplish their daily work on the respective system.
Aaahhhh.... I see. Thats the exact kind of intelligent thinking thats going to keep Microsoft light-years ahead of Linux.
This is the end result of all you guys looking to get the government involved in the Tech industry. You cheered when they got involved with Netscape v. Microsoft, and you cheered when it was the US v. Microsoft, and all the states jumping in with their own lawsuits.
Well, the government is now firmly into regulating what happens in the tech industry, and doing what they do best- making uninformed decisions which no intelligent person would make. An making sure you comply with those decisions.
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Hmm, they seem to have been building that foundation for a LOOONG time. Maybe the fact of the matter is just that they dont *care* about being a major desktop OS? Or, maybe they just dont have the ability to design a really good desktop.
Whatever the case is, it looks like your view is just being an apologist for why they arent a major (or even good) desktop OS. If they were going to be a player in that area, they would have done it already.
Also, eBay is really a seller's market. Ive often observed that closing bids are actually higher than if you just went to Best Buy or CompUSA and purchased the item there.
Im all for Internet shopping, however, because it makes pricematching quick and easy. But eBay is definitely not (generally, anyway) a place for bargain hunters.
BTW, I also suspect a lot of what ends up on eBay was stolen. After all, nobody is really checking reciepts.
Down with "the man"!!!! Only buy your clothes from hardware stores and second-hand shops!! Stop using deodorant!!!
Or is it just a contrarian attitude toward anything Microsoft? Nobody seems to have a problem with Linux distros putting more and more features into their OS, but somehow the fact that MS charges for their OS and Linux doesnt makes MS wrong? The attitude just doesnt make sense on so many levels.
Come on, you dont think IBM, a highly successful company, is supporting Linux for any high ideals, do you? IBM doesnt care to 'stick it to the man', because, for the most part, they are 'the man'.
The toothpaste thing (I believe he also used vegemite) was only intended to be humorous. Heck, he even used water; Im sure that wouldnt work for any serious amount of time, either, but it sure is a good heat conductor.
Cool, next time somebody asks why Im sleeping at my desk, I can honestly say Im increasing my productivity!
Maybe somebody used a r00t exploit on 'em...
Otherwise, get re-certified. I think too many people act like schooling or certification is a video game, and they keep score with framable pieces of paper. Its not about having a degree or cert, its about learning something. If you dont like what you are learning, maybe you are in the wrong field. You can always train for a new field; it may not pay as well as your old career (at first, anyway), but having computer skills can be used as an added bonus, kind of like speaking another language. Since a lot of companies dont actually hire IT staff, having somebody on-hand who can do so really wont hurt your prospects of winning out against other people going for the same, non-IT related, job.
When you are addressing the concernes of IT departments, you arent looking at the spam-blocking ability of any email client. You are looking at ways of filtering it from the email server, before it reaches the inbox. And I don't think micropayments will stop spam - wouldn't the spammers just use servers that didn't require that?
I dont see how anything which forces people to upgrade their SMTP client is going to work; there are way too many places using it to just change. Even if there WERE a viable, cross-platform alternative, it would (IMO) take longer than two years to get everyone in the world to switch. Now I dont know, maybe they have a way to do it without requiring people to upgrade their SMTP protocol.
And would email be as useful if you could only get mail from someone who bought into a particular micropayment system?
Im not sure, as I didnt RTFA, but when they discuss 'costs' regarding email and networking, they arent speaking of a monetary exchange. Cost is usually some kind of charge-back, payed for in processor time; it forces the sender to successfully perform a computation. If everybody were using this, it would throttle the amount of email a server could send at one time.
That, and hooking up with all the hot Linux groupies? Um, no.
I like "The Man Show", but its just not the same since they got the Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Carolla impersonators on there.
The fact is as true as it was then: some applications are going to run faster just because 32-bit compilers are more 'mature'. Once the newer method becomes mainstream, you will see either the same speed, or a gain in speed.
Needless to say, the guy in the other post who stated an anology with an abacus had it right- something small is obviously going to execute faster. We arent switching to 64-bit processors so we can run
10 print "64-bit is k3wl"
20 goto 10
The more complex applications of the future generation, as well as the ability to move large amounts of data from memory to cpu, is what is driving the move.
Pepsi is all about stickin it to 'da man'
The only thing products like "Arctic Silver" do is allow your cpu to stay a few degrees cooler. Dan's Data has lots of good info (including charts, etc) on this.
I recently built a computer for my brother, and suggested he get Arctic Silver. Why? Because it was a small XPC case, which uses passive cooling; heat retension would be a concern, so the few degrees AS would give could be important at some point. On my computer, Im using a big case with lots of fans (active cooling), so the cheap stuff works just fine.
BTW, Dan's Data also tested toothpaste as a thermal paste. Now while there are issues why you wouldnt use this for real, it received better scores than Arctic Silver =)
No, I would say they are continuing to listen to their customers, just like they always do. There are SO many cases where they announced they were doing something, and they decided not to due to customers saying otherwise.
There was the retirement of the NT 4.0 MCSE, their decision to only use adaptive tests, the retirement of NT 4.0, etc etc.
The company listens to its customers. There is no ulterior motive here. If Burger King announced they were retiring their hamburgers to go strictly with chicken, but everyone wanted hamburgers anyway, how long would they stay in business?
They are just following intelligent business practices, since they cant claim some kind of 'right' to having customers, any more than any other company can.
Now with 20% less r00t vulnerabilities!
I once shot a man in Omaha just to watch him bleed
Microsoft paid off SCO
Huh?
The key to happiness BTW, is doing things that help you and others. IBM knows this and so long as we have the same means to different ends, everybody is happy. Today the means is Linux. Tomorrow it won't be.
At least someone else here understands.
A rising tide raises all ships.
In the long term, it is definitely a dead bird. I never said IBM was going to be dumping IBM this week (or even this year). But its definitely going to happen, and they wont be at all sad to see AIX go.
Clearly IBM have no objection to supporting two completely different operating systems for the same hardware if it helps to shift more boxes.
I believe that last part (about selling boxes) was my point. However, Im sure IBM is very much opposed (at a higher level) to having to support two different operating systems. Especially when one of them costs them much less than the other.
what makes you think it'll be any cheaper for them to support Linux
I think a better question is what makes you think it wont?
Who but IBM is going to be able to support it on their latest and most expensive hardware?
Seems like a pretty good reason to stick with IBM consulting services...
At the very least they'd have to invest a lot of money in making test servers available to Linux developers.
They already have, and they make quite a lot of money charging corporations to work with those test servers.
Im sorry, but that is a hugely ignorant statement. Do you even know what we are talking about? Nobody is going to put Windows on an IBM mainframe.
The reason is not a childish one, but the fact that they are unable to control a large part of what they offer. The control is at a third party (MS). I don't think this has much to do with IBM anxious to dump AIX
You dont even know what Im talking about. Do a little research before you post ignorant comments.
And as a bonus, their powerpc architecture is now more appealing
I dont think IBM mainframes even USE PowerPC... Do you even KNOW what a mainframe is?
We would never have considered a IBM AIX server. But an affordable IBM server running Linux is appealing, powerfull, robust and as it runs Linux, it runs what we use.
Maybe you should just stick to answering the phones, and leave these arguments for the adults.
Given this place, thats quite an accomplishment.
Im sorry. I thought you had the mental acuity to understand what I was talking about. My whole point, and I would highly advise it, is to read my original post. I stated in it that the whole concept of a monoculture is bullshit. You, however, want to try and poke holes into something which is true. You bring up (just like all the other fools) your bullshit "biology" argument, which gets slammed down as the crap it is. Also, you just basically try to *act* smart, because you cant *be* smart. Its pretty sad.
I dont need to RTFA, because the point I was making had nothing to do with the article. Sorry I didnt spell it out in smaller words which you could understand.
Or a one-trick pony with an MSCE who really doesn't understand anything that doesn't work with a mouse. During my decades involved with computers and information systems, I've found that people who claim to be experts never are. The real experts tend to say something like they have experience with the system/product, whatever. The real experts are always learning, and they know it.
Well, Ive found that experts generally like to be regarded as experts. They also are very good at explaining WHY they are correct in a given situation.
So, you have your bullshit, made-up experience, and I have my own experience based upon actually doing things successfully, and based upon learning things which are put to use. As I said in my last post, if you have any real degrees, they are just paper: you havent demonstrated jack shit regarding technical know-how (or even a logical argument).
Ahem, "controlled" is not the same as "sterile". Make up your mind. FYI any system that connects to the 'net is not in a sterile environment
Hmmm, do you really think that in a strictly technical sense, an operating room is *sterile*? I dont; I think they are using an approximate term. It is as close to sterile as is *practically* possible. If they needed to realistically create a sterile environment, the costs of doing surgery would be prohibitively expensive.
Thus making your last statement quite the straw man. An operating room is a controlled environment, plain and simple. But a nice attempt at a cover, given your previous stupid comments!
Well, one of us knows how to spell *caliber* (or calibre if you're a Brit), *doesn't*, *couldn't*, *whose*, *don't* and *I'm*.
And the other one of us doesnt give a shit, because he is talking to some know-nothing moron on an internet message board. If this were something actually important, I would actually care about using proper spelling, contractions, etc.
I find that when a debate reaches the point where one side has to nit-pick on grammar or spelling, they have already lost.
Yes, they are decorative, and one for CS says *Summa Cum Laude*, whatever that means.
Ya, those paper CS degrees are a dime a dozen these days.
How is it dangerous? I run all-MS networks, and no computers on my network are affected by malware, viruses, or trojans. Why? Because I know what the fuck Im doing. But every place doesnt have a MS-focused network engineer of my calibur. You seem to be under the impression that good people are as common as dirt; if they had three OS's, they would need three people as good as me. Otherwise the guy who's skills were lacking would be making (or responsible for) problems I couldnt fix, or possibly even diagnose.
Thats why I said this was a stupid issue raise by people who dont understand MIS (Management Information Systems) issues. If you have a monoculture, you can act quickly to correct any problems. If you have 3 or more OS's, you have 3 or more points of entry, 3 or more vulnerabilities to keep on top of, and 3 or more groups of people to manage.
Im an expert BECAUSE I only work with MS products. I can be a jack of all OS's and master of none, or I can be a specialized expert. There is WAY too much to learn regarding anything in this world to think any one person can know everything.
If you ever have a heart attack, be sure to ask for a plastic surgeon to treat you! It will probably be the last thing you ever do.
Typical OSs do not operate in sterile environments
I dont know what kind of "anything goes" network YOU may run (you are probably managing the computer lab over at the junior college, right?), but on MY networks, its a controlled environment. Just like a sterile operating room is a controlled environment. I know what is there, what is SUPPOSED to be there, and what ISNT supposed to be there.
I already have two degrees in CS and MIS, but I do continue to take classes occasionally. Thanks for the advice.
One, I doubt you have a degree in anything except bullshit (hmm, so you have a B.S.)
Two, if you are telling the truth, than its obvious you went to school just to have a nice piece of paper on your wall. Because you dont know jack shit about MIS.
And, it was two distros on two different computers. And its not 'anecdotal evidence', its something which happened to ME personally, not something that happened to the co-worker of the neighbor of some guy who dated my sister's old roomate in high school.
Seems to be a specific hardware-problem.
No, it seems to be four hardware-specific problems, brainiac.
(Two distros) X (two different computers) = four problems.
I had a similar problem with windows 95 on a computer with EGA and another with a MGA card. Yeah, these cards aren't supported.
But the difference is MS comes out and tells you what hardware does and doesnt work with the OS. Likewise, you can still get a base-level graphics display with any VGA card because of VESA support (the cards in those computers supported VESA). However, because Linux sucks cock at auto-detecting and configuring hardware, it didnt work on either computer, under either distro. And no, the other distro wasnt based on Mandrake. I think it was probably Red Hat.
But this is just anecdotal evidence (something you criticize yourself when it suits you) which doesn't match my personal experience.
Sounds like its just you are just too inexperienced, then. Because when I critize someone who says Windows cant do something, Im generally telling them how it CAN be done. Im proving people wrong, not just telling them and expecting them to accept it as fact.
If you weren't able to install the distribution completely then you never really used it, so you can hardly comment on its suitability for beginners.
Correction- I wasnt able to get either into a state I would consider useful. It installed just fine, I had the CLI and everything. But if you expect a beginner to be all happy staring at a blinking cursor, you must have a fuckin' hole in your head.
If a beginner cant get it working, than it isnt really good for beginners, is it?
Preinstall the OS on the machines and look at how easy beginners can accomplish their daily work on the respective system.
Aaahhhh.... I see. Thats the exact kind of intelligent thinking thats going to keep Microsoft light-years ahead of Linux.
You fuckin retard.
Well, the government is now firmly into regulating what happens in the tech industry, and doing what they do best- making uninformed decisions which no intelligent person would make. An making sure you comply with those decisions.
This is the future! Hope you like it.