Sure there are ways for an uber-geek to lock it down but because of network effects he'll by default be isolating himself (because most folks he knows won't go to the trouble and nearly all of that stuff requires both ends to be secured) and a good 99.995% won't ever bother so the status quo is maintained.
Yes, but that means we more technical oriented folks haven't done a good enough job of explaining it.
There is a reason why nobody raised a big stink when Moz pulled the plug on TBird,its because download mail has gone the way of Gopher for the vast majority.
with webmail it works on their Droid phone and iPhones,
The default Android mail client uses IMAP with Gmail by default.
it works on their laptops, it is "clicky clicky" simple and download mail is anything but.
That is what IMAP is for, leave the mail on the server. And download e-mail/desktop e-mail clients are clicky-clicky, you only have to set it up once and that's easy. It's the same setup process whether you use mobile or desktop clients.
You mean "what's new" which shows the last 3 games you played, and 3 panels above and below that with promotional tiles. You can set it so that the PS3's XMB doesn't go to it after boot.
System Settings> Display [What's New]
Turn it to off. That setting only applies if you have your PS3 connected to the Internet, if you don't it can't show it. Either way you have the option of not automatically showing it, though I find it useful to check for new releases on PSN.
Unplayable is an exaggeration. Annoying, yes. Ialso don't think it was 10 seconds.
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The design of GNOME 3 has very little to do with tablets, I really don't know where that meme came from.
It comes from how it looks and behaves, it looks much more like a mobile interface than any other desktop environment I have seen. Only Win8 looks more like a mobile interface.
You can read through the whole design document and about all it says about tablets is 'yeah, there's these tablet things kinda happening, maybe we should keep them in mind, kinda'.
More than "in mind" I think. What I personally think is some Gnome Developers saw how popular tablets were getting and were wanting to prepare for the future of Mobile Linux and decided that mobile-izing Gnome 3 was a good first step.
It's wasn't... the CDE/Win9x/2000/XP/Vista/7/Gnome2/KDE/XFCE interface paradigms are popular and became pretty much THE standard for a reason. There's a reason RHEL is sticking with "Gnome Classic" and not "Modern".
I mean, look at the top panel: does that look like something you'd want to use on a tablet?
Gingerbread? Honeycomb? Sure Gnome3 isn't exactly the same but there most certainly are similarities especially in how applications are presented to the user. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say Gnome 3 has "mobile inspiration"
It was designed for computers, pure and simple.
Yes, but that doesn't mean it's not "mobile inspired" in the same way that Unity on Ubuntu and Metro/Modern on Windows 8 are.
You're perfectly free not to like it, but it doesn't have anything to do with tablets.
Rahul Sundaram also keeps saying the same thing.
But......you just said, " 'yeah, there's these tablet things kinda happening, maybe we should keep them in mind, kinda'". Fedora and Gnome developers can't have it both ways! That's one of things that annoys some of us the most.
And I do not like or use Gnome 3, switched to XFCE in F16 once I tried out Gnome 3. XFCE behaves properly with a proper applications menu, quick launch buttons, application switcher, volume/network/notification/clock area and proper minimize/maximize/close buttons. Yes, I'm a UI traditionalist, I know.
Adam I'm not one to get overly loud about Gnome3, I think RHEL made a good choice with sticking with the new classic mode. I expected RH to force development on something like that to replace "fallback" because Gnome 3 totally breaks from the standard UI paradigm for business use.
Re:And it's still not as good as Ubuntu or Debian.
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Oh? didn't know about DNF...
(sudo yum install dnf)
hmm doesn't seem that much faster than yum to me... though yum always worked fairly quickly, for me anyway at least more recently it has. So not that large of a performance jump for me...not yet... it is slightly faster, I agree on that.
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But we have been working to make things better, consistently, and the rate of occurrence of packaging errors in modern Fedora is I think significantly lower than it used to be, especially if you don't use the 'updates-testing' repository where updates are validated before being sent to the stable 'updates' repository.
I've been running Fedora since F12 and there are fewer packaging errors, and problems are usually fixed within a day.
I'm something between a "user" and "power user" and have been running Fedora as a basic desktop since F12. Haven't had too much trouble with it... in fact as time goes on I have to make fewer tweaks because things get fixed.
For example on the F17 to F18 upgrade my sound stopped working... because they fixed how HDMI sound works so I didn't have to set my HDMI output number a la (1,3) manually. A simple deletion of one line I had added to get it to work previously made it work automagically.
For media and the nvidia driver I just add the rpmfusion repo, install the stuff I want and it "just works".
I don't even have to manually set up printers... they're set up automagically without me doing anything...what's the fun in that? Though I've got a LaserJet 1200 which works better with PCL hpijs than the default Postscript because it's got the minimum RAM.. so I do have to change that.
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GP does have a point about separating the paradigm, which I agree with, though he did so not as coherently as he could have.
Though as many have said, if one doesn't like the tablet-ization of Gnome 3, it's not like there aren't lots of other options.
For home use, where 100 percent perfect compatibility for some of the more esoteric features isn't really needed, there is this thing calle LibreOffice. You may have heard of it.
Actually, speaking from my own experience, I can tell you that a lot of gamers at that time had simply abandoned their consoles for Commodore 64's.
The more affluent upper middle class kids, perhaps. in 1983 the C64 alone with no printer, monitor or 1541 cost the equivalent of $1400.
People without that kind of money, had to stick with what they had till the NES came out. There's a reason you could still buy new 2600 games in 1987
And games were a helluva lot cheaper on the Commodore, since it was so easy to pirate them.
Which led companies to stop developing them for or porting them to the Commodore platforms and sticking with DOS...since they had more money (obviously) and were willing to actually pay money for games compared to the 2600 owners turned C64 owners.
It's the difference between a PC gamer who spends $1500 on their "rig" who then plays CS:Source or TF2 pretty much exclusively forever, and the console owner who buys a PS3 for $299...who then has $1200 to spend on games.
Regarding loading games from a floppy disk... it took a trivial, inconsequential amount of time for games that were cartridge sized.
yes, but most floppy games were NOT cartridge sized. and the wait wasn't trivial. 2 minutes and 47 seconds for Flight Simulator II! God knows how long for some of those strategy games or Gold Box RPG's.
One of the reasons the NES stomped the C64 was better graphics and NO load times.
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Sure there are ways for an uber-geek to lock it down but because of network effects he'll by default be isolating himself (because most folks he knows won't go to the trouble and nearly all of that stuff requires both ends to be secured) and a good 99.995% won't ever bother so the status quo is maintained.
Yes, but that means we more technical oriented folks haven't done a good enough job of explaining it.
There is a reason why nobody raised a big stink when Moz pulled the plug on TBird,its because download mail has gone the way of Gopher for the vast majority.
Noooooo..... Gopher forever!
gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/
Though to tell the truth I got on the net post Gopher.
Perhaps we geeks/nerds haven't done a good enough job of explaining why a real e-mail client is better than accessing e-mail with your web browser.
with webmail it works on their Droid phone and iPhones,
The default Android mail client uses IMAP with Gmail by default.
it works on their laptops, it is "clicky clicky" simple and download mail is anything but.
That is what IMAP is for, leave the mail on the server. And download e-mail/desktop e-mail clients are clicky-clicky, you only have to set it up once and that's easy. It's the same setup process whether you use mobile or desktop clients.
Try a combination of K-9 Mail and APG on Android.
For windows users, Enigmail for thunderbird lets you search for keys on keyservers
I know Seahorse on Linux does, though it's not integrated into e-mail clients. But if you're running Linux (or OSX) you can:
Parse e-mail addresses from file/addressbook:
grep -E -o "\b[a-zA-Z0-9.-]+@[a-zA-Z0-9.-]+\.[a-zA-Z0-9.-]+\b" > addresses.txt
Once you've got a list of e-mail addresses:
for x in $(cat addresses.txt); do keylookup --importall $x; done
What, you don't access Yahoomail/Gmail via a REAL email client using IMAP as the Nerd Gods intended? That'll let you use GnuPG/Smime with it.
You don't see that ads that way either.
What do you mean no one? You can put your public key on Slashdot, though I had to fetch yours from a keyserver. But I get what you mean.
Trying to post an signed/encrypted ascii armored message hits the lameness filter.
System Settings> Display [What's New]
Set it to off and the PS3 won't show it at boot, though you can still use it manually if you want to see some of what's new on PSN.
You mean "what's new" which shows the last 3 games you played, and 3 panels above and below that with promotional tiles. You can set it so that the PS3's XMB doesn't go to it after boot.
System Settings> Display [What's New]
Turn it to off. That setting only applies if you have your PS3 connected to the Internet, if you don't it can't show it. Either way you have the option of not automatically showing it, though I find it useful to check for new releases on PSN.
Thanks for the correction! I was under the mistaken impression that Excitebike was an FDS title in Japan.
Further reading led to the fact that the cassette system attached to the keyboard so to save your Excitebike tracks you also had to have it.
Not tape recorder, I think you mean the Famicom Disk System.
Unplayable is an exaggeration. Annoying, yes. Ialso don't think it was 10 seconds.
The design of GNOME 3 has very little to do with tablets, I really don't know where that meme came from.
It comes from how it looks and behaves, it looks much more like a mobile interface than any other desktop environment I have seen. Only Win8 looks more like a mobile interface.
You can read through the whole design document and about all it says about tablets is 'yeah, there's these tablet things kinda happening, maybe we should keep them in mind, kinda'.
More than "in mind" I think. What I personally think is some Gnome Developers saw how popular tablets were getting and were wanting to prepare for the future of Mobile Linux and decided that mobile-izing Gnome 3 was a good first step.
It's wasn't... the CDE/Win9x/2000/XP/Vista/7/Gnome2/KDE/XFCE interface paradigms are popular and became pretty much THE standard for a reason. There's a reason RHEL is sticking with "Gnome Classic" and not "Modern".
I mean, look at the top panel: does that look like something you'd want to use on a tablet?
Gingerbread? Honeycomb? Sure Gnome3 isn't exactly the same but there most certainly are similarities especially in how applications are presented to the user. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say Gnome 3 has "mobile inspiration"
It was designed for computers, pure and simple.
Yes, but that doesn't mean it's not "mobile inspired" in the same way that Unity on Ubuntu and Metro/Modern on Windows 8 are.
You're perfectly free not to like it, but it doesn't have anything to do with tablets.
Rahul Sundaram also keeps saying the same thing.
But ......you just said, " 'yeah, there's these tablet things kinda happening, maybe we should keep them in mind, kinda'". Fedora and Gnome developers can't have it both ways! That's one of things that annoys some of us the most.
And I do not like or use Gnome 3, switched to XFCE in F16 once I tried out Gnome 3. XFCE behaves properly with a proper applications menu, quick launch buttons, application switcher, volume/network/notification/clock area and proper minimize/maximize/close buttons. Yes, I'm a UI traditionalist, I know.
Adam I'm not one to get overly loud about Gnome3, I think RHEL made a good choice with sticking with the new classic mode. I expected RH to force development on something like that to replace "fallback" because Gnome 3 totally breaks from the standard UI paradigm for business use.
Oh? didn't know about DNF...
(sudo yum install dnf)
hmm doesn't seem that much faster than yum to me... though yum always worked fairly quickly, for me anyway at least more recently it has. So not that large of a performance jump for me...not yet... it is slightly faster, I agree on that.
But we have been working to make things better, consistently, and the rate of occurrence of packaging errors in modern Fedora is I think significantly lower than it used to be, especially if you don't use the 'updates-testing' repository where updates are validated before being sent to the stable 'updates' repository.
I've been running Fedora since F12 and there are fewer packaging errors, and problems are usually fixed within a day.
I'm something between a "user" and "power user" and have been running Fedora as a basic desktop since F12. Haven't had too much trouble with it... in fact as time goes on I have to make fewer tweaks because things get fixed.
For example on the F17 to F18 upgrade my sound stopped working... because they fixed how HDMI sound works so I didn't have to set my HDMI output number a la (1,3) manually. A simple deletion of one line I had added to get it to work previously made it work automagically.
For media and the nvidia driver I just add the rpmfusion repo, install the stuff I want and it "just works".
I don't even have to manually set up printers... they're set up automagically without me doing anything...what's the fun in that? Though I've got a LaserJet 1200 which works better with PCL hpijs than the default Postscript because it's got the minimum RAM.. so I do have to change that.
GP does have a point about separating the paradigm, which I agree with, though he did so not as coherently as he could have.
Though as many have said, if one doesn't like the tablet-ization of Gnome 3, it's not like there aren't lots of other options.
For home use, where 100 percent perfect compatibility for some of the more esoteric features isn't really needed, there is this thing calle LibreOffice. You may have heard of it.
Heck if you don't need Calc, you can use AbiWord.
Yes! How I loved that.
the service is still up? (former webtv user from 99 to 02). Older webtv accounts are .net...the .com came a bit later.
I liked how it handled USENET. It does IRC too, though WebTV users can only be in one channel at a time and can't use advanced commands directly.
if funet.fi is still around then sunsite.unc.edu probably is too.... ah yes, it's now called "ibiblio"
Actually, speaking from my own experience, I can tell you that a lot of gamers at that time had simply abandoned their consoles for Commodore 64's.
The more affluent upper middle class kids, perhaps. in 1983 the C64 alone with no printer, monitor or 1541 cost the equivalent of $1400.
People without that kind of money, had to stick with what they had till the NES came out. There's a reason you could still buy new 2600 games in 1987
And games were a helluva lot cheaper on the Commodore, since it was so easy to pirate them.
Which led companies to stop developing them for or porting them to the Commodore platforms and sticking with DOS...since they had more money (obviously) and were willing to actually pay money for games compared to the 2600 owners turned C64 owners.
It's the difference between a PC gamer who spends $1500 on their "rig" who then plays CS:Source or TF2 pretty much exclusively forever, and the console owner who buys a PS3 for $299...who then has $1200 to spend on games.
The C64 had a cartridge port.
Yes, that none of the great C64 games were on.
Regarding loading games from a floppy disk ... it took a trivial, inconsequential amount of time for games that were cartridge sized.
yes, but most floppy games were NOT cartridge sized. and the wait wasn't trivial. 2 minutes and 47 seconds for Flight Simulator II! God knows how long for some of those strategy games or Gold Box RPG's.
One of the reasons the NES stomped the C64 was better graphics and NO load times.
and now for the Obligatory:
"All Emacs needs now is a good text editor."
Why yes, the openplatform site, which was never highly publicized and not advertised and not advertising in and of itself.
Now if SCEfoo had paid for commercial time on TV, or ads in magazines for OtherOS that would be a different story, but they didn't.
Those are NOT advertising.