Christ, just plug the frakkin thing in to the network, it's not a big deal. Or if you don't want to, don't. Crazy slashdotters, complain the PS2 doesn't h ave built in ethernet and requires an external device, and then a few years later complain when it's built in.
But what sort of unlicense games would they be? Any games that could compete graphically with professionally done titles would require masive amounts of art assets, sound assets, etc. And considering how hard it is to get creative types interested in doing open source software as it is, don't you think that most unlicensed games would be 2D puzzle stuff like you see on Popcap or Yahoo games?
I really don't think Sony would feel threatened by yet another bejeweled clone.
There was a recent post on one of the Yellow Dog lists where someone was using their PS3 as a MythTv frontend. They said it was fast enough to brute force without hardware acceleration for video. It did eat up about 40-50 percent of the CPU.
This is Sony, the company that officially supports Linux on both the PS2 and PS3. The PSP is the true anomaly, though I figure if they could have figured out how to get a Linux distron on that, they would have allowed homebrew through that.
Don't blame consoles in general for DX II, blame the Xbox and lazy devs.
Ever play the PS2 version of Deus Ex? See those USB ports on the PS2? Plug in a mouse and keyboard, they work. They did modify the UI a bit so it was playable with just the dual shock, but it's not too different from the UI of the PC version. I use a hybrid style of control, dual shock in the left hand, mouse in the right.
Back in the PS1 era companies ported RTS's to the PS1. Command & Conquer, Warcraft, Warzone 2100. They even have PSone mouse support. They play fine, they just didn't sell. That's the reason there aren't many RTS's, not that the consoles can't handle them.
The Fallout series, while critically acclaimed didn't sell very well either, which is why there haven't been sequels.
I've been saying this for ages, but the PS3 is not just a console, it's an all-in-one entertainment box.
Games: PS3/PS2/PS1, downloadable demos, the ability to purchase PS1 games for PSP use.
Video: on disc (DVD and BD) and on the HD and mass storage devices
Audio: CD's, SACD's, DVD-Audio. It can rip CD's itself.
Built in web browser.
Built in ability to stream to the PSP
Photos.
Linux, not only does it do all of the above, but it's also a PC. Firefox, OpenOffice, Thunderbird, Gimp, Gaim
And now the Playstation Home and Little Big Planet.
Sure the thing costs $600, but it's like buying a PS2 with a LInux kit. It can replace the "second PC" in a lot of homes and that may be Sony's intent. Hurt Microsoft's bottom line by reducing sales of "second PC's" to home users. People might realize that they can do PC stuff without Windows.
600 bucks for Nethack and openoffice and XMMS, and nofrendo and yadda yadda yadda.
plus everything else it does.
Look, I freely admit I think the thing is a good deal at $600 and if I had the cash to spare I'd have one and be responding to this post with it, rather than with my PS2 Linux kit
I paid $200 for that, on top of what the PS2 cost (though I had the PS2 for over a year). I got my moneys worth in use out of it, it was well worth it.
I think holding off on a PS3 purchase is a reasonable thing for some people. I don't own one yet, but I do want one. For me it's because of the following:
Linux I've got a PS2 Linux kit so that's why I'm so interested in that. I use my kit as a "desktop" and the PS3 would essentially replace it and actually be better at being a desktop.
The ability to purchase PSone games for the PSP, that's the only way to get them, through a PS3. which sucks, I'd lke to be able to directly download them to the PSP without a PS3 intermediary.
Multimedia features. I'd personally find those useful.
Even without a large library of games I'd still get plenty of use out of it., that might not be the case for others, I admit. And when Oblivion is released.
Actually I'd probably like some of the current releases, like that like the Untold Legends and Marvel based Diablo clones.
A used GameCube, or Nintendo DS is much cheaper than a PS3 - and as a bonus, both have a larger library of good games, too.
No.
The PS3 also plays PS1 and PS2 games, thus making it's "good game library" much larger. And it runs Linux that'll give you Nethack.
So tell me, how many good 3D character based platform games are on the Gamecube. How many good RPG's? Any MMORPGS? Online Third person shooters? Good racing games?
Yeah I thought so, that's why the Used gamecube market sucks, you'll see a dozen copies each of the same dozen games, since everyone bought the exact same first party games because there was nothing else to play.
One of the things people complain about Second Life is the performance and graphics. Now imagine an SL majorly optimized for one chipset/architecture. Imagine it being built in to that hardware so that everyohe who owns it has it, in the same way PC's come with web browsers.
It might be a killer app if they ever decided to port it. Second LIfe is a small download, doesn't require a huge space on a hard drive because content is streamed.
I wouldn't be surprisded to find out that their avatar stuff is based on SL code.
Although, when the price tags were announced, I remember thinking "at that price, it better play PS2 and PS1 games. And do my taxes, while we're at it."
It can do your taxes, the built in web browser should be sufficient, and if it isn't there's Firefox via Linux.
Depends on whether it's a corporate store or not. It used to be that you could tell the difference pretty easily because the non-corporate stores looked pretty different. Now, it's hard to tell except by the service. With the corporate stores, you get some random manager who has training as a manager. With the non-corporate (franchise) stores, you often have a manager who is a hobbyist him/herself.
These days I'd be more likely to trust a corporate Radio Shack than one of the franchisees. The franchises these days tend to know about selling satellite TV and cell phones.
I was actually somewhat suprised at the 2006 PS3 launch, I was expecting a March/April launch this year because the PS2 was still going strong. I blame the PS2 in part for some of the PS3's troubles, who would figure that the PS2's legs would be so long. That said, the PS2 itself didn't really take off till late 2001
Actually Sony does own some of their big franchises. Gran Turismo, SOCOM, Hot Shots Golf, Champions of Norrath/Untold Legends, Sly Cooper.
And they've got an advantage in Linux, if they ever get around to actually promoting that. I swear, Sony sucks at marketing their hardware.
Take a PS3 (or PS2) with the officially supported ability to run Linux, ability to output at high resolutions, 1080p for the PS3, 1080i for the PS2, and USB ports for a keyboard. They meet your requirements, so what's the problem. I've played Rogue, Nethack, and yes, Angband on a PS2 with the LInux kit.
Where have you been to not know this was possible>
And since Angband can be played ASCII aren't it's graphics simpler than any PS2/PS3 native-mode RPG?
Good "black" skin is hard to find, that's the complaint I've heard.
There's cow avatars out now, I've seen a chicken, and a penguin. Various anthropormhic animals of course, the usual cats and foxes as well as jackals, rats, racoons etc.
Reaching out to the casual market is an interesting thing to do, but they're not going to sell many games to them. What those folks will do is buy a game that matches their interests, golf/tennis/fishing and then not buy others. They'll treat the Wii like it was some kind of dedicated "game in a joystick" device and turn it on only ocassionaly. They've got Law & order and Lost to watch on their TV's.
Something similar to will happen to the "social multiplayer gamers" not everyone is going to watn to gather around the TV and play Wii. Sooner or later someone will want to watch Ugly Betty or Project Runway. That effect was first noticed in the 70's when the first home consoles were released. It helped encourage the purchse of second sets (and handing down the older ones)
And frankly with the focus on movement and multiplayer, the Wii is not the "second set" sort of system, it's obviously meant for the living room with lost of people around it, and that's going to hurt it in the long run.
It amazes me that some people who could remember the SNES button layout or other extemely complex things (like how to frickin code) say they can't remember the trianglel, circle, X, square layout of the dual shock.
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Christ, just plug the frakkin thing in to the network, it's not a big deal. Or if you don't want to, don't. Crazy slashdotters, complain the PS2 doesn't h ave built in ethernet and requires an external device, and then a few years later complain when it's built in.
But what sort of unlicense games would they be? Any games that could compete graphically with professionally done titles would require masive amounts of art assets, sound assets, etc. And considering how hard it is to get creative types interested in doing open source software as it is, don't you think that most unlicensed games would be 2D puzzle stuff like you see on Popcap or Yahoo games?
I really don't think Sony would feel threatened by yet another bejeweled clone.
There was a recent post on one of the Yellow Dog lists where someone was using their PS3 as a MythTv frontend. They said it was fast enough to brute force without hardware acceleration for video. It did eat up about 40-50 percent of the CPU.
This is Sony, the company that officially supports Linux on both the PS2 and PS3. The PSP is the true anomaly, though I figure if they could have figured out how to get a Linux distron on that, they would have allowed homebrew through that.
Take a look at the dates on those articles. Latest real news is 2005! I think the odds are atacked against there being another Fallout game.
Don't blame consoles in general for DX II, blame the Xbox and lazy devs.
Ever play the PS2 version of Deus Ex? See those USB ports on the PS2? Plug in a mouse and keyboard, they work. They did modify the UI a bit so it was playable with just the dual shock, but it's not too different from the UI of the PC version. I use a hybrid style of control, dual shock in the left hand, mouse in the right.
For my sake I don't know how you PC guys tolerate sucky UI and WASD movement in your games. Keyboard control in action games is so 1983.
I find analog sticks are quite fine as long as you aren't a ham-fisted PC gamer.
I also say this every time this topic comes up:
The PS2 and PS3 have USB ports for a reason.
Back in the PS1 era companies ported RTS's to the PS1. Command & Conquer, Warcraft, Warzone 2100. They even have PSone mouse support. They play fine, they just didn't sell. That's the reason there aren't many RTS's, not that the consoles can't handle them.
The Fallout series, while critically acclaimed didn't sell very well either, which is why there haven't been sequels.
I've been saying this for ages, but the PS3 is not just a console, it's an all-in-one entertainment box.
Games: PS3/PS2/PS1, downloadable demos, the ability to purchase PS1 games for PSP use.
Video: on disc (DVD and BD) and on the HD and mass storage devices
Audio: CD's, SACD's, DVD-Audio. It can rip CD's itself.
Built in web browser.
Built in ability to stream to the PSP
Photos.
Linux, not only does it do all of the above, but it's also a PC. Firefox, OpenOffice, Thunderbird, Gimp, Gaim
And now the Playstation Home and Little Big Planet.
Sure the thing costs $600, but it's like buying a PS2 with a LInux kit. It can replace the "second PC" in a lot of homes and that may be Sony's intent. Hurt Microsoft's bottom line by reducing sales of "second PC's" to home users. People might realize that they can do PC stuff without Windows.
600 bucks for Nethack and openoffice and XMMS, and nofrendo and yadda yadda yadda.
plus everything else it does.
Look, I freely admit I think the thing is a good deal at $600 and if I had the cash to spare I'd have one and be responding to this post with it, rather than with my PS2 Linux kit
I paid $200 for that, on top of what the PS2 cost (though I had the PS2 for over a year). I got my moneys worth in use out of it, it was well worth it.
I think holding off on a PS3 purchase is a reasonable thing for some people. I don't own one yet, but I do want one. For me it's because of the following:
Linux I've got a PS2 Linux kit so that's why I'm so interested in that. I use my kit as a "desktop" and the PS3 would essentially replace it and actually be better at being a desktop.
The ability to purchase PSone games for the PSP, that's the only way to get them, through a PS3. which sucks, I'd lke to be able to directly download them to the PSP without a PS3 intermediary.
Multimedia features. I'd personally find those useful.
Even without a large library of games I'd still get plenty of use out of it., that might not be the case for others, I admit. And when Oblivion is released.
Actually I'd probably like some of the current releases, like that like the Untold Legends and Marvel based Diablo clones.
No.
The PS3 also plays PS1 and PS2 games, thus making it's "good game library" much larger. And it runs Linux that'll give you Nethack.
So tell me, how many good 3D character based platform games are on the Gamecube. How many good RPG's? Any MMORPGS? Online Third person shooters? Good racing games?
Yeah I thought so, that's why the Used gamecube market sucks, you'll see a dozen copies each of the same dozen games, since everyone bought the exact same first party games because there was nothing else to play.
Default SL cache is 512MB IIRC, that'll fit on the PS3's HD. Not a problem
I think you're right, considering how strong the PS2 was going I wasn't expecting a PS3 launch till this year.
As for this Second LIfe type stuff, it probablly IS Second Life. SL is open source so it probably didn't take them very much time at all.
One of the things people complain about Second Life is the performance and graphics. Now imagine an SL majorly optimized for one chipset/architecture. Imagine it being built in to that hardware so that everyohe who owns it has it, in the same way PC's come with web browsers.
It might be a killer app if they ever decided to port it. Second LIfe is a small download, doesn't require a huge space on a hard drive because content is streamed.
I wouldn't be surprisded to find out that their avatar stuff is based on SL code.
It can do your taxes, the built in web browser should be sufficient, and if it isn't there's Firefox via Linux.
These days I'd be more likely to trust a corporate Radio Shack than one of the franchisees. The franchises these days tend to know about selling satellite TV and cell phones.
I was actually somewhat suprised at the 2006 PS3 launch, I was expecting a March/April launch this year because the PS2 was still going strong. I blame the PS2 in part for some of the PS3's troubles, who would figure that the PS2's legs would be so long. That said, the PS2 itself didn't really take off till late 2001
Actually Sony does own some of their big franchises. Gran Turismo, SOCOM, Hot Shots Golf, Champions of Norrath/Untold Legends, Sly Cooper.
And they've got an advantage in Linux, if they ever get around to actually promoting that. I swear, Sony sucks at marketing their hardware.
I don't think you got the point:
Take a PS3 (or PS2) with the officially supported ability to run Linux, ability to output at high resolutions, 1080p for the PS3, 1080i for the PS2, and USB ports for a keyboard. They meet your requirements, so what's the problem. I've played Rogue, Nethack, and yes, Angband on a PS2 with the LInux kit.
Where have you been to not know this was possible>
And since Angband can be played ASCII aren't it's graphics simpler than any PS2/PS3 native-mode RPG?
I'm a PS3
And I'm a Wii
PS3: Oh hey that wiimote is interesting, too bad you're a casual multiplayer games in the living room sort of system, NTTAWWT.
Wii: You've got no really good games, besides Resistance and Virtua Fighter.
PS3: that's true for now, but I've got the PS2 games to fall back on, Rogue Galazy just got released by the way.
Wii: I've got RPG's, ummmm, Skies of Arcadia
PS3: Fucking Sega should have released that for my dad, it would have actually sold well to all the PS2 owning RPG fans.
Wii: I've got virtual console games!
PS3: Oh, Metroid. Let me boot into LInux. Here we go...Metroid!
Wii: No fair!
PS3: I just posted about my Nethack acension on USENET, can you play Nethack?
Wii: Umm no, but I've got Zelda.
PS3: Me too, the actual good ones. Besides I've got more action RPG's that you ever will.
Wii: I've got Mario 64! The best 3D platformer ever.
PS3: Perhaps, but I don't think so, I think the Spyro games have it all over Mario 64. Plust I've got more 3D platformers, than you ever will,
Wii: I've got a web browser.
PS3: Yeah Opera, I'm stuck with frackin Netfront in GameOS. But I've got Firefox in Linux. Heck even my daddy can run Firefox.
Wii: I'm innovative.
PS3: Perhaps, but I'm an improvement and extension of already existing ideas and concepts. Evolution. Feature wise, I have it all over you.
Wii: That's true, but I have an ultra dedicated hardcore fanbase who wil flame anyone who doesn't love me and proclaim me supreme. Zonk is my herald!
PS3: That's true. I think I'll go bother that PC and Mac over there. I run Open Office after all.
Wii: Have fun, I'll keep playing Wii Sports.
Good "black" skin is hard to find, that's the complaint I've heard.
There's cow avatars out now, I've seen a chicken, and a penguin. Various anthropormhic animals of course, the usual cats and foxes as well as jackals, rats, racoons etc.
Reaching out to the casual market is an interesting thing to do, but they're not going to sell many games to them. What those folks will do is buy a game that matches their interests, golf/tennis/fishing and then not buy others. They'll treat the Wii like it was some kind of dedicated "game in a joystick" device and turn it on only ocassionaly. They've got Law & order and Lost to watch on their TV's.
Something similar to will happen to the "social multiplayer gamers" not everyone is going to watn to gather around the TV and play Wii. Sooner or later someone will want to watch Ugly Betty or Project Runway. That effect was first noticed in the 70's when the first home consoles were released. It helped encourage the purchse of second sets (and handing down the older ones)
And frankly with the focus on movement and multiplayer, the Wii is not the "second set" sort of system, it's obviously meant for the living room with lost of people around it, and that's going to hurt it in the long run.
It amazes me that some people who could remember the SNES button layout or other extemely complex things (like how to frickin code) say they can't remember the trianglel, circle, X, square layout of the dual shock.
Clockwise from top: triangle, circle, X, square.
or if you map it to the SNES layout: X, A, B, Y