I can access everything I want to access..... being Australian tends to make me ignorant of those two issues you mentioned - though I still can read plenty of news stories on those issues from foreign press
The "Video Shader" in the new chips is meant to offer great video playback quality...
1. Yes - ATI is one of the best for the consumer PC market 2. Probably - need to hear more feedback 3. YES - ATI actually do work on their drivers for the last year.... I download leaks every 2-3 weeks on average for my 7500 Mobility 4. Eventually.... Windows comes first for ATI due to the fact that makes up most of the target OS market.... Linux support will via binaries will happen later most likely.
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Re:Neither! Here's why...
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He thinks the R300 is sweet (not his exact words but similar meaning). He also stated that the ATI 8500 and GF4Ti cards would play DOOM 3 fine, just at medium quality levels or so.
The big difference is the memory your card has, 64MB cards won't be great performers for high texture settings due to a statement about DOOM 3 having about 80MB worth of textures to be loaded onto the card at any one time.... 128MB cards will be needed for maximum eye candy.
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Re:Radeon 9000 naming debacle (ala GeForce4 MX)
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Yes.... this is regrettable, especially considering the RV250 based Radeon 9000/9000 Pro cards are SLOWER than the R200 baed Radeon 8500 cards - one would expect to have FASTER performance with an increas in model numbers:(
The average consumer doesn't care though becasue they don't know - Nvidia had that thought and ATI have followed suit. Its model number recognition that sells the cards... consumers will buy whatever is the latest release that suits their budget.
The demo was shown at low res due to a mistake by Id Software... John Carmack said that they actually meant to demo DOOM 3 at higher quality settings on that same hardware.
The R300 will be plenty fast enough for DOOM 3 and the Nvidia F4Ti/ATI 8500 are meant to play DOOM 3 great as well. The big difference will be between 128MB and 64MB cards.... DOOM 3 is said to have about 80MB of textures to store.
Go read John's.plan and many interviews on hardware websites - he has explained these points MANY times.
It come packaged with a pass-though 4 pin molex connector that will take power from a connector that would be used in a CD/DVD/HD for power..... similar to those cables you get for cooling fams
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Re:They used �Intel-like� approach to design?!? HA
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You don't seem to understand the direct relationship between MHz and pixel/texual fill rates in video cards.
The Parhelia gets beaten in DX8 bechmarks by the GF4Ti because of the difference in clock speeds. If the 9700/10000 wants to compete with the NV30 at the top then raw MHz is needed - the DX9 specs state that both cards need 8 pixel pipelines for compliance (and both ATI and Nvidia say their next-gen cards do). This means whoever has the highest clock rate will have the highest pixel fill rate. Need to wait and see if the NV30 has more than one texture unit per pipeline, the R300 only has one (for a total of 8 texture units) which means if the NV30 has two or more for each pipeline, then it will beat the R300 in texel filrates by architecture alone (though for more than one texture unit per pipeline will need HUGE amount of memory bandwidth which is not likely to happen until DDR-II is utilized).
So MHz does equal performance... which can mean a marketing success or failure. Parhelia is not grat for gamers (other than TripleHead) due to low clock speeds. Nvidia have delayed the NV30 to make use of the 0.13u process to get higher clock speeds (rumoured to be 400+) and ATI plan on releasing the Radeon 10000 next year based on a 0.13u process as well to try and beat the NV30 if it proves to outperform the 9700.... which is expected to happen.
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.... NV30 beater only as far as time goes
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AnandTech went on record as saying that the NV30 WILL be faster than the Radeon 9700 (which is expected due to a smaller manufacturing process of 0.13u) but this gives ATI the performance crown for pretty well the rest of this year. Nvidia plan on having the NV30 out November but this may be just wishful thinking.... could be early 2003 before we see a 9700 killer.
Even when NV30 does come out and if it does beat the 9700 in performance, ATI will simply respond with their planned Radeon 10000 which will use the 0.13u process that the NV30 will release at - this should get ATI back up near or at the top. The you have the fact that the R300 is meant to work with DDR-II memory chips..... and Samsung just sampled 1GHz DDR-II chips so the R300 is going to rock the boat for the NV35 too.
The NV30 is rumoured to be multi-chip, I hope it can scale up well so Nvidia win the "numbers war" at least (unless ATI want to go R300 MAXX which is possible for them).... I would be happy with either of these two cards:)
BTW - I did not mod that post off topic. After re-reading my post I see that it appears as if I may of. I personally feel the post was more on topic than off.
The Quake engine is too "old school" for the precision required in professional 3D modelling. Using a modified version in realtime might be good for Quake level development but that is for a different purpose. Quake like engines are good but limited in their ability. The DOOM 3 engine is getting closer to the image complexity of what is more realistic and therefore useful, but still not what you could call multipurpose.
I would hazard a guess that custom designed graphic engines would be needed, not adaptation of engines designed for other purposes.
because it shows very little in the way of "common sense" thinking...... 3D modelling apps are used to create models in Quake, not the other way around. The poster doesn't show any understanding of the topic going by the one sentence posted.
It is still a Volvo... I would be more worried about the wetware drivers crashing than the software OS (Win98) crashing. The "safety" in "Safety Car" is for the occupants, not the people outside tha car.
Now - how long will it take before someone replaces Win98 with Linux in the "Safety Car"....
Just as well it is in New Zealand and not Australia, otherwise Hollywood unions would boycott the crap out of the render studio...... though this may happen yet, the NZ dollar is weaker than the Aussie dollar when compared to the US dollar, so the incentive is still there.
Sound like they were splitting and fusing "BEER" atoms..... sounds likje someone has got the distallation equipment distilling vodka instead of water.
Why are they just referred to elements 118 and 116? Their names are ununoctium and ununhexium (which sounds like someone used an alchohol based naming system).... or are they the element equivalent of Prince?
I guess they will have to rename the "former elements" to ununSanta and ununToothFairy seeing how neither actually exist....
Fiji has 4 TV channels broadcast - 1 free to air and 3 pay channels (Sky Videocrypt system)
Almost two years ago the free to air channel (Fiji One) decided it would buy a "advertisement" system that displayed banner ads on the bottom and left side of the screen (L shape). The actual non-ad content of the TV dropped by about a third..... needless to say a lot of locals were PISSED OFF about this. Thankfully this was only from early morning until mid afternoon where the TV show content consisted mainly of 20yo Australian TV shows..... Fiji One was only worth watching for the movies and TV series at night where it was back to the ol 3-4 mintues of ads after 10 minutes of shows.
I can see it now..... a guy wearing a large jacket ouside Wal-Mart comes up to you and says "Psst.... wanna buy a prirate CD vesion of XP for that cheap box you just bought?"
I sometimes wonder if these Wal-Mart PCs encourage piracy of MS OSes...... not that I really care if it does:)
I would assume the average customer who buys these PCs don't give a damn about what cheap OS is on the system (be it Lindows or Mandrake).... they probably just wipe the hard drive and stick XP on it from a CD they borrowed from a mate. Mandrake is still not ready for the n00b public, which is kidn of good, so Wal-Mart don't realistically expect that these PCs will be useful. As someone already posted, a retail version of XP worth a couple of hundred dollars would be an easy add on sales with a decent profit margin.
yet I got modded "Off Topic"......... oh well:(
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another "game development on the cheap" thread :)
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which means of course another troll bath...:(
seems the topic of the day is free game development.... first Freeciv, then the article on "mods" and now a game engine
now every genre has been covered that I like - "civ games", FPS and now RPG. I hope someone makes a RPG of high quality with this engine, perhaps a rewrite of an old console classic *hint* *hint*
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I can access everything I want to access..... being Australian tends to make me ignorant of those two issues you mentioned - though I still can read plenty of news stories on those issues from foreign press
- HeXa
In China I have the choice of 1984Kbps/384Kbps ADSL connection and 10Mbps or 100Mbps cable connections.
:)
ADSL and 10M cable is about $15USD unlimited per month and 100M cable is double that.
- HeXa
I have a hard time trusting the minimum specs of ANY software developer - so I left the GF3 out :)
- HeXa
The "Video Shader" in the new chips is meant to offer great video playback quality...
1. Yes - ATI is one of the best for the consumer PC market
2. Probably - need to hear more feedback
3. YES - ATI actually do work on their drivers for the last year.... I download leaks every 2-3 weeks on average for my 7500 Mobility
4. Eventually.... Windows comes first for ATI due to the fact that makes up most of the target OS market.... Linux support will via binaries will happen later most likely.
- HeXa
He thinks the R300 is sweet (not his exact words but similar meaning). He also stated that the ATI 8500 and GF4Ti cards would play DOOM 3 fine, just at medium quality levels or so.
The big difference is the memory your card has, 64MB cards won't be great performers for high texture settings due to a statement about DOOM 3 having about 80MB worth of textures to be loaded onto the card at any one time.... 128MB cards will be needed for maximum eye candy.
- HeXa
Yes.... this is regrettable, especially considering the RV250 based Radeon 9000/9000 Pro cards are SLOWER than the R200 baed Radeon 8500 cards - one would expect to have FASTER performance with an increas in model numbers :(
The average consumer doesn't care though becasue they don't know - Nvidia had that thought and ATI have followed suit. Its model number recognition that sells the cards... consumers will buy whatever is the latest release that suits their budget.
- HeXa
The demo was shown at low res due to a mistake by Id Software... John Carmack said that they actually meant to demo DOOM 3 at higher quality settings on that same hardware.
.plan and many interviews on hardware websites - he has explained these points MANY times.
The R300 will be plenty fast enough for DOOM 3 and the Nvidia F4Ti/ATI 8500 are meant to play DOOM 3 great as well. The big difference will be between 128MB and 64MB cards.... DOOM 3 is said to have about 80MB of textures to store.
Go read John's
- HeXa
It come packaged with a pass-though 4 pin molex connector that will take power from a connector that would be used in a CD/DVD/HD for power..... similar to those cables you get for cooling fams
- HeXa
You don't seem to understand the direct relationship between MHz and pixel/texual fill rates in video cards.
The Parhelia gets beaten in DX8 bechmarks by the GF4Ti because of the difference in clock speeds. If the 9700/10000 wants to compete with the NV30 at the top then raw MHz is needed - the DX9 specs state that both cards need 8 pixel pipelines for compliance (and both ATI and Nvidia say their next-gen cards do). This means whoever has the highest clock rate will have the highest pixel fill rate. Need to wait and see if the NV30 has more than one texture unit per pipeline, the R300 only has one (for a total of 8 texture units) which means if the NV30 has two or more for each pipeline, then it will beat the R300 in texel filrates by architecture alone (though for more than one texture unit per pipeline will need HUGE amount of memory bandwidth which is not likely to happen until DDR-II is utilized).
So MHz does equal performance... which can mean a marketing success or failure. Parhelia is not grat for gamers (other than TripleHead) due to low clock speeds. Nvidia have delayed the NV30 to make use of the 0.13u process to get higher clock speeds (rumoured to be 400+) and ATI plan on releasing the Radeon 10000 next year based on a 0.13u process as well to try and beat the NV30 if it proves to outperform the 9700.... which is expected to happen.
- HeXa
AnandTech went on record as saying that the NV30 WILL be faster than the Radeon 9700 (which is expected due to a smaller manufacturing process of 0.13u) but this gives ATI the performance crown for pretty well the rest of this year. Nvidia plan on having the NV30 out November but this may be just wishful thinking.... could be early 2003 before we see a 9700 killer.
:)
Even when NV30 does come out and if it does beat the 9700 in performance, ATI will simply respond with their planned Radeon 10000 which will use the 0.13u process that the NV30 will release at - this should get ATI back up near or at the top. The you have the fact that the R300 is meant to work with DDR-II memory chips..... and Samsung just sampled 1GHz DDR-II chips so the R300 is going to rock the boat for the NV35 too.
The NV30 is rumoured to be multi-chip, I hope it can scale up well so Nvidia win the "numbers war" at least (unless ATI want to go R300 MAXX which is possible for them).... I would be happy with either of these two cards
- HeXa
....but the R300 drivers will form the basis of the next-generation UDA..... from what AnandTech also wrote (reworded from memory by me)
- HeXa
BTW - I did not mod that post off topic. After re-reading my post I see that it appears as if I may of. I personally feel the post was more on topic than off.
The Quake engine is too "old school" for the precision required in professional 3D modelling. Using a modified version in realtime might be good for Quake level development but that is for a different purpose. Quake like engines are good but limited in their ability. The DOOM 3 engine is getting closer to the image complexity of what is more realistic and therefore useful, but still not what you could call multipurpose.
I would hazard a guess that custom designed graphic engines would be needed, not adaptation of engines designed for other purposes.
- HeXa
heh.... I wonder who that was.... not many *nix users in the Inspiron DellTalk forums :)
.... at least it wasn't a beowulf cluster of quake engines....
I did not mod that post offtopic - I have no idea who did - I was just trying to guess what the "mods" thinking was
- HeXa
because it shows very little in the way of "common sense" thinking...... 3D modelling apps are used to create models in Quake, not the other way around. The poster doesn't show any understanding of the topic going by the one sentence posted.
- HeXa
It is still a Volvo... I would be more worried about the wetware drivers crashing than the software OS (Win98) crashing. The "safety" in "Safety Car" is for the occupants, not the people outside tha car.
Now - how long will it take before someone replaces Win98 with Linux in the "Safety Car"....
- HeXa
That would explain why MS hardware actually good.
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What was his reasons for this? I don't remember any Federal judges smacking MS's hand and telling them to apologise for their anti-Linux diatribe.
Or maybe this a pre-empted attempt to "play nice" so the states have one less reason to want MS to bend over
- HeXa
Just as well it is in New Zealand and not Australia, otherwise Hollywood unions would boycott the crap out of the render studio...... though this may happen yet, the NZ dollar is weaker than the Aussie dollar when compared to the US dollar, so the incentive is still there.
- HeXa
Sound like they were splitting and fusing "BEER" atoms..... sounds likje someone has got the distallation equipment distilling vodka instead of water.
Why are they just referred to elements 118 and 116? Their names are ununoctium and ununhexium (which sounds like someone used an alchohol based naming system).... or are they the element equivalent of Prince?
I guess they will have to rename the "former elements" to ununSanta and ununToothFairy seeing how neither actually exist....
- HeXa
Fiji has 4 TV channels broadcast - 1 free to air and 3 pay channels (Sky Videocrypt system)
Almost two years ago the free to air channel (Fiji One) decided it would buy a "advertisement" system that displayed banner ads on the bottom and left side of the screen (L shape). The actual non-ad content of the TV dropped by about a third..... needless to say a lot of locals were PISSED OFF about this. Thankfully this was only from early morning until mid afternoon where the TV show content consisted mainly of 20yo Australian TV shows..... Fiji One was only worth watching for the movies and TV series at night where it was back to the ol 3-4 mintues of ads after 10 minutes of shows.
- HeXa
Yahoo has been doing as the Chinese government wants for ages - the relationship goes back awhile.
- HeXa
You mean other search engines besides Google still exist? I have been using Google for so long I can't remember the last time I used another.
heck.... a lot of my forum posts on various boards are "Google it" when a poster asks a simple question.
- HeXa
I can see it now..... a guy wearing a large jacket ouside Wal-Mart comes up to you and says "Psst.... wanna buy a prirate CD vesion of XP for that cheap box you just bought?"
:)
I sometimes wonder if these Wal-Mart PCs encourage piracy of MS OSes...... not that I really care if it does
I would assume the average customer who buys these PCs don't give a damn about what cheap OS is on the system (be it Lindows or Mandrake).... they probably just wipe the hard drive and stick XP on it from a CD they borrowed from a mate. Mandrake is still not ready for the n00b public, which is kidn of good, so Wal-Mart don't realistically expect that these PCs will be useful. As someone already posted, a retail version of XP worth a couple of hundred dollars would be an easy add on sales with a decent profit margin.
- HeXa
yet I got modded "Off Topic"......... oh well :(
- HeXa
which means of course another troll bath... :(
seems the topic of the day is free game development.... first Freeciv, then the article on "mods" and now a game engine
now every genre has been covered that I like - "civ games", FPS and now RPG. I hope someone makes a RPG of high quality with this engine, perhaps a rewrite of an old console classic *hint* *hint*
- HeXa